Thomas Frank | Listen, Liberal, March 2017, Stockholm
Varför förlorade Hillary Clinton presidentvalet? Varför litar inte vanliga amerikanska löntagare längre på att Demokraterna står upp för deras intressen? Hur blev Republikanerna en plattform för radikal högerpopulism - och vad kan vi i Sverige lära oss av utvecklingen?
Kulturhuset Stadsteatern och idéinstitutet Katalys bjuder in till ett samtal och paneldiskussion med Thomas Frank, historiker, journalist och en av USA:s mest intressanta politiska analytiker. Hans senaste bok Listen Liberal - or What Ever Happened to the Party of the People? (2016) är en brutal uppgörelse med det Demokratiska partiets ansvar för den politiska och sociala situation som USA idag befinner sig i. New York Times har utsett Thomas Franks bok till en av de viktigaste för att förstå Donald Trumps seger. Kanske säger Listen Liberal mycket även om svensk politik, Europa och de växande populistiska rörelserna här?
Thomas Frank menar att Demokraterna i USA har genomgått en omfattande transformation - från att ha varit ett parti av och för arbetare och vanliga amerikanska löntagare till att bli ett parti av och för välutbildade professionella tjänstemän. Under 1980- och 90-talet övergav Demokraterna idén om att stävja den växande ekonomiska ojämlikheten med effektiv fördelningspolitik. Frank skärskådar Bill Clintons trianguleringar in mot mitten och Barack Obamas flathet när han valde att inte stöpa om det dysfunktionella finansiella systemet efter kraschen 2008.
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Listen Liberal is a fascinating read, Thomas Frank is brilliant
@blairschirmerx1711
7 жыл бұрын
Kyle Hennessey 15:40 - With a curious blind spot. Democratic party leaders "can't figure out what to do" about gross inequality *_because they're paid not to figure it out._* They're paid to maintain a status quo that enriches the 10%. And Thomas Frank never talks about this, just as he never talks about GOP election theft. Curious.
@AnArchyRulzz
7 жыл бұрын
Of course it didn't get as much attention as "What's the Matter with KAnsas" because liberals hate introspection and only want to laugh at people voting against their own interests.
@jonnieinbangkok
6 жыл бұрын
More like a butt-hurt libtard.
@MFanelli
6 жыл бұрын
He does talk about this in his speeches, someone actually asked him that question directly "how do you make democrats do what they should find in their heart the right thing to do" and he explained how democrats just don't believe in spending money and you can't reason with them about it- to campaign for the right issues that would win- their endless need to match republicans dollar for dollar during campaigns- and how they simply don't believe in doing it.
@salvatorecompoccia8025
6 жыл бұрын
Thomas Frank was so prescient with his book and what he was saying (and warning) was ignored by the Democrats. Well, now we have President Trump.
We're here because of "The Jimmy Dore Show", who else?
@JCResDoc94
4 жыл бұрын
☼ useful idiots. tho im here a lil later as a result.
@robertcartwright8165
3 жыл бұрын
That's where I encountered Thomas Frank.
I like him because he is pissed off.
@SalmonFume
6 жыл бұрын
I'd say he is genuinly pissed off.
@carlanderson8799
5 жыл бұрын
@Hippolyte... Agree about that! My candidates of great (smart, well-embraced and greatly educated) "pissed off"- persons would be: Peter Joseph (obviously on this list!) Jimmy Dore Chris Hedges Abby Martin Richard Wolff Jacque Fresco (unfortunately he died 2 years ago) Kyle Kulinski Julian Assange Noam Chomsky Lee Camp Glenn Greenwald Aaron Maté Edward Snowden Yanis Varofakis Alex O'Connor Roland Paulsen And even the fictional reporter "Jonathan Pie", who is *very pissed off!* Haha. All those people on 'my list ' above (at least I think so) has great and important "messages" (all-embracing knowledge) that will hopefully have a great impact on people, now and in the future - and hopefully help to create a positive 'transition' to a better future, for us all!
@thetawaves48
5 жыл бұрын
Hillary wasn't allowed to be pissed off.
@thetawaves48
5 жыл бұрын
Funny - that's what people liked about Donald.
@robertcartwright8165
3 жыл бұрын
@@carlanderson8799 Nice list! I would suggest adding Greg Palast, Glenn Greenwald, and Aaron Mate.
For all his criticism of the Democratic Party - Thomas Frank refuses to abandon it.
@Achrononmaster
5 жыл бұрын
So what? It is still the only _viable_ party "of the Left". In other talks Thomas advocates for a leftist take-over of the party. We could all suddenly vote for the Greens, but you cannot seriously propose that can be organized as a sure thing we can all count on. The Democratic Party is only a shell, a brand, an alliance, it could be over-taking by Marxists if there were enough volunteers.
@Nicole-ww4lg
4 жыл бұрын
@@Achrononmaster except it's not the party of the left. pelosi is currently holding up cash payments to americans because she wants to means test it like a republican
@JP51ism
4 жыл бұрын
@@Nicole-ww4lg Why wouldn't help be based on something? Why should someone with ample means get a stipend for people who are more desperate to meet basic expenses?
As of today, almost 2 years after this was uploaded, less than 300 thumbs up. That makes me want to cry...but I guess I'll just have another drink so I can forget about how bad our leadership is. In a hundred years, America will be a giant Los Angeles...insane taxes, homeless camps everywhere, shit on the sidewalk and the 1% living in their hillside palaces telling everyone how great it is that we have invited all the worlds poor into our country to make us a segregated bunch of tribes, all scrambling for the scraps of meat that fall off the table of the rich.
@jody1180
5 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏
In a sense having their first black president was sort of a curse to the possibility of enacting aggressive, audacious policies in favor of the working class: Obama was so frightened by the prospect of being politically lynched that he opted for the easy way of not rocking the boat!
Bring the union party back to build up the working class
@Kidsinamerica
4 жыл бұрын
Why? What is to "build-up" if Meritocracy is inherently BAD?
Corporations keep those ideas "outside the conversation."
The nerve of Dems, telling people to go to school.
@johnburnside7828
4 жыл бұрын
And yet, they're not interested in making it easier for people to do so.
If you like Thomas Frank, as I do. You should also watch/listen to On Contact with Chris Hedges! Chris knows almost everything about everything. I swear. lol. He's a bit older then Thomas, so has been around a lot longer. As well as been all over the world a lot too! He's someone that Bernie Sanders should have dragged along with him, on the primary trail.
the gentleman on the panel sitting on the right is brilliant.
@Zeta-qz6ci
7 жыл бұрын
Jesus christ the guy on the right is on point. Everything he said has made me research it on a deeper level to understand it more. Thanks for this talk uploader!
@eileenmc4746
6 жыл бұрын
historian Lars Trägårdh,
Thomas Frank is a great guest.
And they keep voting for more.
And the fascist banana republic stumbles on.
'Listen, O listen, thou Wedding-Guest!' -- Samuel Coleridge, 'Rime of the Ancient Mariner'
Jimmy Dore brought me here
He describes the British Labour Party under Blair and Brown exactly.
name of guy sitting alone next to lady please? thanks for this
@katalysinst
6 жыл бұрын
That is the historian Lars Trägårdh, see here: www.larstragardh.se/en/
Let's get the facts straight people. Especially after Charlottsville. A lot of awful things have been said about Republicans and race relations. However, the Left's accusations of racism couldn't be further from the truth that has played out in the halls of Congress over the last 150 years. It is shocking that as talk of statues and historical racism is being bandied about, no one has mentioned the Democrats' utterly shameful treatment of African Americans throughout history. Over the last 100 years, Republicans have stood up for African Americans while Democrats not only stood on the sidelines, but in fact served as obstructionists to civil liberties. Here are at least 12 examples in which Democrats voted against African Americans, and Republicans voted to free them: Democrats voted against every piece of civil rights legislation in Congress from 1866 to 1966 - a whopping 100 years. That is a dismal record for today's Democrats who would like you to believe that history has been on their side on this issue. It hasn't. Democrats voted to keep Africans Americans in slavery, opposing the 13th Amendment which officially freed the slaves. Only four Democrats voted for it. Republicans also passed the 14th Amendment which granted slaves U.S. citizenship; Democrats voted against it. Republicans also passed the 15th Amendment which gave slaves the right to vote. Not a single one of the 56 Democrats in Congress voted for it. Shame on them. Furthermore, Republicans passed all of the Civil Rights laws of the 1860s - including the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the Reconstruction Act of 1867 following the Civil War. The Republican Party itself was founded as the "anti-slavery party" in 1854. The party subsequently gave us President Abraham Lincoln and ultimately, the Emancipation Proclamation which led to the liberation of slaves. Republicans supported African Americans not only in the 1800s, but in modern times as well. In the 1960s, with the exception of Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson, who was instrumental in the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act in the wake of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the truth is that Democrats were the largest single blockade to civil rights. But don't take my word for it. Long after slavery was over, the Democratic Party continued down their path to deny African Americans their rights. Wikipedia refers to this as the era of "disenfranchisement" when "Democrats worked to exclude blacks" from civil liberties. PBS reported, "The Democratic Party identified itself as the 'white man's party' and demonized the Republican Party as being 'Negro dominated,' even though whites were in control." The Democratic Party was responsible for passing Jim Crow laws, in addition to Black Civil Codes that forced Americans to utilize separate drinking fountains, swimming pools, and other facilities in the 20th century. Even Democratic icons such as Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act while in the U.S. Senate. Sen. Al Gore, Sr., D-Tenn., also opposed it. But you don't hear the "antifa" movement or anyone else on the Left talking about Democrats' shameful involvement in American history, nor do many speak of Republicans' brave work on behalf of African Americans. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, a Republican, appointed Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren who penned the Brown v. Board of Education decision that ended school segregation forever. It was also a Republican, Sen. Everett Dirksen from Illinois (the "Land of Lincoln"), who wrote numerous pieces of legislation including the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which banned discrimination in housing. It was Republican President Richard M. Nixon who introduced the "Philadelphia Plan" that serves as the blueprint for affirmative action today. It was Republican President Ronald Reagan who in 1984 signed into law the holiday now known as Martin Luther King, Jr. Day. That's right, these were Republicans - not Democrats. As more "antifa" protests are expected this summer and into the fall, leading up to their night of hell planned for November 4, it is vitally important that revisionist history is not permitted to be foisted upon Americans. The truth about who was on the right side of history and who was in the wrong lies in the voting records and those records lie in the National Archives and the Library of Congress. No amount of statue-toppling nor spin from the Left can ever erase it.
@jasonpeek8244
4 жыл бұрын
The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist and neo-Nazi rally that was conducted in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.
Anyone know who the woman on the stage is? Any help?
March 2020. Oops - markets not doing so well anymore.
@propellerhead9197
4 жыл бұрын
That's how the radical lefty democrats want it. With the aid of the MSM. They will watch the whole world suffer to try and stop The TRUMP administration from succeeding. Pure hatred. Wake up Haters...
"..the human middle finger" class is experiencing a growth spurt;)))
@NathanRyanAllen
4 жыл бұрын
Penny O oh yeah? The ones that have jobs or?
Capitalism is the crisis!!!! Oh fuck you, the democrats are not the left and double fuck the "middle class"! You "believed" in Obama? Dam you are dumb.
@faktafakta316
4 жыл бұрын
well planned economy is not good either. And it's not going anywhere so it's a pointless discussion
Hej
"I'm more afraid of an intelligent woman than of a crazy man." Are you sure about that?
Of course Bernie would beat Trump.
David Cay Johnston presents more facts and less opinions.
Amerika she is right
put it on 1.5 in speed much better
Is he speaking to an empty room?
Tough crowd.
That lady blinks way too much for a human.
@regancopple4085
5 жыл бұрын
She also uses the word "like" out of context way too much, it's a mental pause, a crutch, & she needs to cut it out, because it's really fucking annoying after awhile listening to her. I don't know where she learned English, but they didn't do her any favors by letting her pick up that idiotic habit.
51:29 Someone doesn't understand modern monetary theory.
@moestietabarnak
7 жыл бұрын
Someone has been successfully propagandize by the libertarian nightmare, koch brothers 'think' tanks and stupid Friedman's easy slogan.
6:48 "Consider for a second what things looked like back in 2008 and 2009 - not all that long ago - this was the great turning point of this stupid century that we're living in now. This was the moment when we might have changed course. When the financial crisis and the recession seemed to discredit the free market philosophy, which is the philosophy of conservatism in the United States. I mean remember all the fraudulent mortgage backed securities - we deregulated the banks and we took away the supervision on the Wall Street banks and next thing you know they're issuing these toxic securities that are designed to kill the person who is foolish enough to buy them." ~ we live in a free market 27:43 "Its like financial rocket science, as one of the members of the administration said. And by the way he said that when he was trying to explain why they didn't prosecute these guys for anything. Dude its complexity, no one understands it - financial rocket science. And folks EXACTLY the same for big pharma - so innovative. You can't import generic pharmaceuticals from India or somewhere like that, no no no you have to protect Phiser. Protect these innovative companies." ~ we don't live in a free market pick a stance and stick with it man.
laws hold them accountable
Moderator: "How has your life changed since Trump, Thomas?" Thomas: "I really hate that guy". The he changes the subject because things haven't changed. He is a hysterical mangina.
@AnArchyRulzz
7 жыл бұрын
Yes, well off white men with a good education will do just fine. He said later that the professional class will do quite well under Trump. Doesn't mean Thomas doesn't have sympathy for people who will be affected by Trump.
@Falconlibrary
6 жыл бұрын
Ad hominem is a logical fallacy and it's all you have.
@gaybroshevik4180
5 жыл бұрын
"and then he changes the subject because things haven't changed" Lol things didn't change under Obama, yet here Thomas Frank is, criticizing Obama, the Democratic Party and the DNC. LOL you stupid fucking Libtard. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
51:15 Oh....my GAWD!!!! "Higher taxes are the only way you can make social investments" I'm out....peace.