One of the reasons you must start the ball on 1st step (4 step approach) or 2nd step (5 step approach) is that this allows the ball to NATURALLY clear your hip without having to adjust the swing. When I coach, I try to create an association between STARTING the swing and the heel of your right foot on IT'S first step (step 1 for 4 and step 2 for 5). This gives you a physical cue to start your swing.

You can tell Kyle has been hitting the weight room. Keep it up bro.

@daregul8er

9 күн бұрын

Almost time to call him Chad

@mike-vz1cv

3 күн бұрын

He’s on the Juice

Absolutely love this channel. I was literally struggling with this last night. Can’t wait for the luci so I can meet Brad again and Kyle for the first. Don’t get sick this time!

I’ve been bowling now for80 years, I used 4 step approach until recently, just changed to a 5 step approach however I don’t push ball into motion until the 3 rd step and I do average over 200 bowling 2 times per week. I will try to go to a push away on the 2nd step, enjoyed video.

Perfect timing on this video. I was just working on this very thing with one of my young students this week. I will share with him. Great tips! Thank you!!

I had the pleasure of meeting brad a few weeks ago and now these videos just seem like a routine to me

Awesome information!

Send this video to 220 Avg bower. Would literally fix his entire swing.

@mythicorbital6501

10 күн бұрын

Lol 😂

@skinniestjeans

10 күн бұрын

220 Avg is really a 160 Avg bowler in sport shorts

@fishinghuntingfool

10 күн бұрын

@@skinniestjeansah! Yes good old sport shot where no league bowler likes to go. Including me 😱

@h2bsol648

9 күн бұрын

​@@skinniestjeanssport shot is very humbling.

@ak252m

9 күн бұрын

Why does the bowling community talk shit..........about the bowling community?

Holy hell, this fixed so much! Thank You!

this might just be the video i needed thanks so much Brad n Kyle!

Wow! Late timing and dropping the ball by the second step has been a constant problem of mine for years. My coach has been working with me on it every time I see him. It is definitely robbing me of ball speed and it greatly affects my balance, especially at the point of release. I am going to keep working on this issue so it helps me and allows my legs to be a bigger part of this. I am 67 years old and have been working the past 3 years in strengthening my left leg which had a hip replacement. It doesn't hurt and my legs are much stronger now so I have no excuse. Thanks again for showing this video because the whole thing has been so frustrating for me in recent years. Laura Simmons, Euclid, Ohio

This is the number one thing I've been working on with Jasnau over the two lessons I've had with him. He usually pulls up videos for both of you when demonstrating good push aways/timing!

I love your videos.. hope to meet you guys one day.. I love your basic approach you took to watch your videos grow over the years and I always watch your videos for tips to try and break into better scores on sport and better timing and such.. appreciate what you guys do!.

I do a 4-step approach amd my ball goes into motion at the same time I start taking my first step. I reach the top of my backswing in the third step and full forward swing in the fourth.

Thanks for the tips, guys. A few weeks ago when I was practicing with my dad, he told me that I need to get my feet moving a little faster. I tend to have late timing and I’ve been trying to improve the timing of my push away.

I'm a four stepper... I tried this a BUNCH of times, and I can't do it in five steps. Just Starting on a different foot throws my WHOLE approach off... lol

@doughellenbeck4026

Күн бұрын

Try 6 steps starting on same foot work for me good luck

Great video, thank you.

Good video. Straighter 4-step player with late timing and a bad habit of pulling the ball down. Hopefully this will help.

Great Video Guys!!, something that seems so simple could make a big difference on your scores. 😊😊😊

Perfect time to watch

Great video! Trying to help the wife get her foot work down. I have similar issues as well on stopping way to early before the foul line. As a two handed bowler it seems very similar and will apply this to my approach! More please!👍🏽

I love how Bras watches Kyle when he talks.

I also saw kyles video about spreading the index finger and turning it straight up the lane, i love it. Works awesome! Thanks again guys for the helpful videos. Wanna try the yo yo release but j😮st cant get yet, ill keep trying. Can ya do the index finger with the yoyo? Let me know

I have a 4 step approach and last week I was trying to add the 5th. I think in general I have late timing and trying to switch to 5 steps made it feel so early I just couldn't do it. I guess it will feel weird at first but I should persist. I have lost ball speed the last couple of years and I want to increase it a bit again to generate more power.

Great vid

Great video

Hey Brad and Kyle, really enjoyed your video! A lot of good information and reminders for the advanced bowler like myself! My coach likes using the term "ball placement" instead of "push away" or "push out" because it helps create a better image in the mind. I think you guys did a great job of explaining that you don't want to feel like you're chasing the ball, but perhaps in future videos the term "ball placement" is something you to could mention to help people out! Thank you for all you do for the bowling community!

Cool video talk tech bowling Brad and Kyle

I remember when I started bowling and a buddy showed me this, it was a completely natural thing. I later wanted to give tips to other people and told them, that their timing is one step late and tried showing them examples of the „correct“ timing and EVERYONE except me did it wrong. I was baffled and only then noticed, that in germany 90% of the people basically do the late pushaway. I even am a certified coach now and in the course I was told that my timing is one step early… good thing I can teach it the real way now.

Been bowling for 40-ish years. After everything becomes muscle memory...timing on push out is my biggest focus. Then comes wrist position and speed.

@jaredrogers7863

7 күн бұрын

I tend to never think about mechanics anymore other than getting under the ball, 24 years in.

Enjoyed the presentation, very helpful. My only suggestion is that the camera is lowered to always show your footwork instead of cutting off the video just below your knees. Less ceiling, lowered angle would be great!

We can not all be Chris Barnes, so this is great advice!! I still need to work on this.

Comically, in the exercise that Kyle did, on the second step, he didn't let the ball drop, that what Brad told him to do, kyle did a little push away, was a great shot anyway. Comically, in the exercise that Kyle did, on the second step, he didn't let the ball drop, he did a little push away, great shot anyway.

Totally understand the slight hesitation in your swing on the 4th step. I recently added a slide to my approach and it forced me to work on my timing. Otherwise the mechanics were all off. Nice video. Could you do a video showing why a proper ball fit is needed? Would love to see the difference in ball reaction between a properly fitted ball vs one that wasn't.

I was starting with my ball "half way" and in turn, this was causing me to "push" my left shoulder behind. This was making me over rotate and pull my right arm, thus going Brooklyn quite often. Now I'm ball out, a small step one, ball moving step 2. Correct rhythm has "squared" my hips, and ultimately "closing" my shoulders. Lol, I hope that makes sense. 40F Tweener new again bowler for reference. Thanks for the video! Also, nothing hits like a Hammer 😝

The only successful bowler I can think of with super slow feet and hesitation is Bryan Goebel. He also had that weird spinny roll.

Met Kyle this weekend at Rocky Gap Casino. It was a pleasure.

The king of late timing...Scott Norton, the first time I saw him bowl I was like how?...apparently you can teach yourself to wait but I wouldn't coach it.

I definitely agree with the swing starting in the 2nd step to have a more relaxed swing to have perfect timing, it would make your 3 and 4 step sort of quick. Chris Barnes, at least in his older years, as slow feet and waits on the ball and has late timing. I've studied his slow motion videos and my form is almost Identical to his. Slow feet, high backswing. Personally, it is natural and a textbook push away on the 2 step is unnatural to me. I've been to coach Ron Clifton and expressed my feelings on my timing being "off" and he told me that if it's natural and my mechanics are solid there is no reason to change.... But, I personally would love to get my timing more "in time". When I've practiced to a textbook approach, like you guys mentioned, my feet feel so fast haha. I used to have really quick feet and have taught myself to be slow and methodical. I feel like I have really good balance at the line. I have some slow motion videos of my approach on my channel for those who are argumentative.

Luv all of ur videos u guys im solid silent viewer an more blessing to the both of u 🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️❤️🤙🤙🤙🤙

Very neat, I showed this to my dad a one hander. Now, how does this apply to 2 handed bowlers?

My issue was early timing, I had to change my push away/drop swing to start after my second step was on the floor vs in time with second step to bring my swing into alignment with my slide step.

@rb8999

10 күн бұрын

I had the same issue. I've actually added a small 6th step which has helped me. It helped me overexaggerate to delay longer and get better rhythm.

Syncing the swing and the footwork is hard. I get it during lessons with Jas but when I’m by myself something is restricting in my approach even when I time the start of the swing and my second step.

Wish I were closer to where you guys are to be able to get some coaching from you! Lack of power is a big issue for me. Thanks for a great video!

@BradandKyleBowl

8 күн бұрын

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@teresavicario5848

7 күн бұрын

@@BradandKyleBowl thank you! I will! First I have to figure out how to get a good video setup. I will ask around for suggestions.

I love this video because I know the recent video uploaded to the private page that probably inspired it! Fix my doubles partner!

Thank you

super helpful

This sums me up perfectly, I do my push away on 2.5/3 step. I’ve tried everything to get the ball going on second step but just can’t do it. Tried forcing it, just feels so unnatural, as I’ve been bowling like this for 10 or so years and I know I’ve got late timing

I look at your videos quite a lot. I am a low speed bowler and would like to purchase a new 13lb ball. What ball would you suggest?

OMG thank you so much for this video, I had a 4 step approach and never have stepped and pull down at the same tone until now

@b-chill3493

10 күн бұрын

Tip: if you start ur pushaway on time, u don't pull down... Let the weight of the ball bring the swing down

@BradandKyleBowl

10 күн бұрын

Glad it helped!

@TheDallenjr315

10 күн бұрын

@b-chill3493 that's what I meant, my push away not pull down

@TheDallenjr315

10 күн бұрын

@BradandKyleBowl thank you, what can I do for a higher backswing and is it needed

Thanks guys. This is my project this summer. My timing is way too late

Now we need this for people with low back swing

@Ishan-en3xr

10 күн бұрын

Yup, that would be me. I cant get my arm that high. Tips on that would be great.

@striprockracing848

10 күн бұрын

What I came here to say. I start really low and don’t have a high back swing. If I started on my second step, I’d be holding the ball at the top of my swing for a long time

@mullerpb74

10 күн бұрын

@@Ishan-en3xr when you drive your balance arm out (out as in forward to the lane), drop your balance arm shoulder down as you go to the line.

@melissabowers6268

10 күн бұрын

Amen to that. I just starting bowling and my bowl gets too uncontrollable to farther up I go.

@davidaronson9475

10 күн бұрын

I'm 6'5" and 65 years old and I use a very short backswing on a 5 step approach. What I do to accommodate that is take very short steps. I start well in front of the middle dots and the timing is fine (190 average).

Couple questions, 1) does this apply to 2 handers as their backswing is shorter? 2) as a taller bowler with long legs, I'm as far back as I can start in the approach. Would you recommend going to a 4 step approach to give a larger window?

I often hear don't muscle the backswing or pull down. If your push away is straight out and you simply let the ball drop, how can you get your backswing higher than parallel to the floor? How about follow thru? Should there be no acceleration?

Arm above parallel to the floor is late and arm past parallel is early, correct? Showing late on the 3rd step compared to 2nd step from the side with freeze frame would be nice

Personally I have already studied Brad & Kyle video on the four step approach,over and over and over again. Went from a three step approach and 168 average to a four step approach and a 195 average and you have to monitor your approach all the time it’s so easy to get out of timing.

Is it the speed of of my feet or do I need to really focus on pushing with my step before the slide? I feel like if try to really use my legs on the step before my slide that it throws my body offline.

Its actually insane that I JUST learned this recently from Mark Baker and realized I've had my timing wrong 😂

I just wish that I had something like this for two handing

I have a 4 step approach and the ball passes my ankle as it slides to the foul line, is that good timing? My ball isn't high my by chest when I set up on the approach. No push away, so it just drops into the swing. 17.2 mph and 375 revs... middle of the middle. My legs supply about 80% of the power.

I've done a 4-step for as long as I can remember, however my swing starts with my left foot not my right. Bowling tonight and tried starting the swing on the right foot and I took 5 small steps and was way off balance many times. Maybe more practice.

Because of timing I went to a 4 step to try and make it easier. That way I’m starting my feet and the ball at the same time. Bob Learn taught it to me, he told me what you guys are. “Drop it and get ahead of it”.

Due to being 64 and having had a combination of 4 surgeries on my right shoulder and arm, my backswing is much shorter than you young fellas. With this said, I always feel like I would be too early when pushing out on second step. In this case would it make sense to delay the swing?

You guys should have a video how to keep that trail leg down…that’s key

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As a 2 hander I feel like I need to start my swing later (after 2nd step). Maybe because a 2 handed backswing isnt as high?

I love thw video. This is great advise but for people who doesnt slide on the last step (Planters) you will end up short, I believe.

Watching it cause I see Storm Summit on the thumbnail

3g racer vs rotogrip rg racer fl shoes. Which one better?

I wish I could do that many steps.I had knee surgery and I'm down to 3 steps.I'm moving the ball toward the back swing as soon as I move forward. Don't know what else to try.

A pause works well for john janawicz on the 3 step.

I was always taught 4 step and now im seeing so many pros throwing 5 step x.x

What do you do if you aren't able to do 5 steps? I always play with a four steps approach.

Reminds of what Mark Baker told me to do in lesson.

I've been looking at this lately and see many pros starting the swing later then the 2nd step. More like 2.5 or 3.

@dustinmabie4909

10 күн бұрын

Also, push away vs hinge?

Should show how early timing also effects pulling in the swing.

My center I can hardly slide at anymore due to their approaches. It's destroyed my timing and release due to inconsistency. I've tried just about everything from leather heels to the highest "slide" pad.

I have so many issues with this. I have issues with my steps and forget how to step, and it throws my timing off. How can I fix this?

I know there are some notable exceptions such as Chris Barnes. But… Hall of Famers have a right to do what they want. But me, I really appreciate this advice and plan to work on it.

@atbsigma

10 күн бұрын

And then y’all mentioned him after I thought of it and commented.

I've been bowling so long I don't even know how many steps I take. If I had to say what feels good and works for me is 4 steps. I line up and as soon as my feet start in motion that's when that ball starts motion. I think what I see from my local alley is people putting over emphasis on the apex of their swing and then they get off balance.

My problems with my timing has never been from pushing the ball out to late. It's always come from the fact that once I do the push out I tend to speed up steps 3,4, and 5 way to fast. My feet out run my swing.

I use a 4 step. My leg and ball start simultanously

Is this for 2 handeds?

Off-topic. Any tips or videos on keeping the slide foot straight? Pointed toward the pins

@thechampionspath4715

10 күн бұрын

You should slide toward your target, on the intended slide board. It's supposed to be angled a bit, especially when playing steeper angles and playing 4th or 5th arrow, as you have to project the ball to the right. Sliding straight isn't optimal tbh.

@HippieP629

10 күн бұрын

@@thechampionspath4715 I hear that's what I should do. Maybe it's from playing hockey for a long time but when I look down after throwing, my foot's pointing toward the lane to the rt about 2'oclock. Maybe I just need to practice more on it *shrugs*

My timing feels perfect when i drop my ball on the third step.

I think timing is an issue for me in being able to repeat my shot. I’m a bigger guy, 250+, and speed dominant, straighter is greater guy. I don’t feel like I’m jerking it down but my ball speed recently is typically 19-20 so I must be

It why i do 6 step. Start with my right foot. I twinkle toe like fred flinstone

I think the formula for timing should be based on the players body, C. Barnes is 6 ft aprox, so his timing should not be equal to, for instance, big Wes. I see Chris style more like loading an arrow, very difficult technique, and has its good and bad sides

Chris Barnes moves It on 3rd step as well an many others.

@timanders3151

10 күн бұрын

Very few. And I promise you Chris wouldn't teach you to move the ball on the third step and hesitate.

@jackcasse

10 күн бұрын

He literally says he's channeling Chris Barns when he intentionally times late.

@jamesbills5998

10 күн бұрын

@@timanders3151 Hesitate ? Check out John Janowicz.

So help me out here. I'm a 2 finger no thumb bowler, so my swing isn't as high as normal thumb in bowler, so I do tend to start my swing a tad bit later, and my timing is inconsistent. Can someone help me out with thus please?

Those huge mics are 🤣 btw, Kyles gain is way too high Brads is too

Do you guys do online video lessons?

@BradandKyleBowl

6 күн бұрын

We do! Our coaching platform is hosted in a private facebook group where you are able to send videos of yourself in and get specific instructions, drills, tips based on what we see! Check out bradandkylecoaching.com for more info or send us an email to brad.kyle300@gmail.com

Just one issue with this. I've been readjusting my timing for the past year. I must keep first 2 steps short with only a waist high backswing. Hard to get higher after 40 years. Most Pros have learned a very high backswing. Of course, starting the ball earlier works with the high, but maybe not for others. And that is where the power develops, but accuracy can be lost. Just my 2 cents.

226 bowler, 1 handed thumbless, and I start my swing in the final 2 steps. It is ok to do it, as long as you understand a thumbless bowler has no real backswing.

Excuse me 2 nd step.

I'm not a great bowler, I'm slightly above average at 200. When I get in a funk 95% of the time it's because my timing gets off and I start dropping the ball early off my hand. For me timing is the most important thing.

Too early or too late is no good, that's for sure. Bowling is a dance, you've got to keep in time.

It would be more helpful to me to see the delivery from the side.

I find my feet so far behind the foul line, but I’m at 225

What about if you take 6 steps?