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@Darkstar.....

2 жыл бұрын

Notice 6:10 the temple looks like an ancient airship converted to a boat then a temple.

@Darkstar.....

2 жыл бұрын

The ice in the macalania temple may be created by the airships cooling system as id say they run some sort of atomic reactor. Or maybe thats what the macalania spheres where first designed for. To keep reactors cold. Imagine the advancements we could make with the temple spheres that for some reason can not leave there temple. One creates lightning.

@Americansikkunt

2 жыл бұрын

9:25 Jecht likes the Hymn of the Fayth. I think THATS why Sin is at Macalania Lake….

@gauche7249

2 жыл бұрын

This makes a lot of sense and im glad you posted this to confirm. It reinforces a theory I had while playing through the game. While playing the game,I always felt like the game went more out of its way to try and make it feel like youre being randomly attacked by sin or that you're chasing him throughout the game. When replaying it, I realized that we weren't chasing sin,sin was there with tidus through the whole journey. Sin got tidus safely to besaid and waited under the temple to listen to the fayth. FFX2 confirms every temple was connected by tunnels with the whole vegnagun thing and every temple also had water below it). So once the party leaves besaid to head to killika it looks like youre attacked by sin. The story spins it as sin was attacking killika and youre trying to steer it away from the city,which of course doesn't work but I'm thinking sin wasn't attacking killika,I think he was going under the temple to listen to the fayth. He didn't blast it with his energy field it was just a tidal wave. The game made it seemed like sin always comes back for his sin spawn--but it would be more logical a sin spawn fell off of sin from him already being near the temple before the party,the game never says or shows where he swims off to so id assume he made it to the temple while everyone else did repairs and the sending. It felt like sin was always one step just ahead of the party guiding them,he didn't really have a base he just chilled at like bosses of other games and there are never sin attacks happen except for a radious if where the party is. That's just what I think anyways and of course I don't have proof.

@Shadowultd

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not trying to be that guy here but I thought this was common knowledge tbh. To me it's the only thing that makes sense when you consider how Sin picks your party up to carry them to Bikanel. I can't imagine Sin being that gentle with those big arms and unless he developed and used telekinesis for just that one occasion which seems unlikely. The game also not so subtly tells you in the cutscene (@9:50) with Auron shouting "The Ground!" followed immediately by Yuna shouting "Sin!?" implying the two are one in the same. Since I'm here I might as well share some more of my head cannon on why Sin is there and perhaps when he went there. Yes he was listening to the hymn but why from there? I believe there were two reasons: 1) As was mentioned in the vid he has been following Tidus on his journey and having done the pilgrimage himself knew where the next temple would be. 2) After Operation Mi'ihen Jecht felt bad about having to display his power and knew the hymm would calm him down. He got the point across to Tidus but that doesn't mean he liked doing it. Likely he went to the one place he could listen to the hymm without been seen/attacked by others i.e. under the lake. Maybe you could chalk this up to hardware limitations at the time but a detail I noticed under the lake is the fact that none of the buildings are dripping wet. All the water has pooled at the base of them. Given the game has dripping water in other locations it suggests that Sin has been there for a while. This also gives Sin another reason to want to move after the party land there. He's been found and needs to somewhere even more remote to hide once more.... a desert island perhaps. But hey that's just a theory a Ga.... Haha joking aside seeing the Sin model below the lake is awesome so thanks for showing it off.

I’m sure that Auron recognized where they were. He mentioned having rode Sin to Zanarkand. Which means that during Lord Braska’s Calm, Auron had time to die by Yunalesca’s hand, send Kimahri to Yuna, get a grip on being unsent (Evem Seymore GUADO didn’t just hop right back up), and then coordinate with Jecht. It makes the, “You’re late, Auron” at the ending much heavier in my opinion. Like a loaded joke.

@jypsridic

2 жыл бұрын

It'd be cool if that line was only there if your file was more than like 24 hours long

@levant5378

2 жыл бұрын

Zanarkand is inside of Sin, so Auron didn't ride sin to Zanarkand in the literal sense.

@jypsridic

2 жыл бұрын

@@levant5378 No, that's wrong. Zanarkand is a summon that physically exists near Baaj Temple and Sin is its guardian. It kills anything that comes too close which is why no one knows it is there. The Zanarkand escape sequence is when Current Sin is physically sticking his nose into the summon to drag Tidus and Auron out. Auron did ride Sin in an explicitly literal sense, probably as a collection of pyreflies but I have no hard evidence for that bit. Parts of the ruins of the original zanarkand are in sin though

@levant5378

2 жыл бұрын

@@jypsridic You do know that Ultimanias are not canon right? There is nothing to say that Dream Zanarkand is a physical place near Baaj temple other than the fact that Tidus wakes up there, which could be caused by anything, and the fact that a third party Ultimania said so. If anything, If you take the idea that Dream Zanarkand is a physical summon, then it would not be a hypothetical Dream city near Baaj, but the pillar on mount Gagazet. Seeing as how the water from the pillar turns to spheres containing the memories of each individual who was a part of the dream. Its very likely that every one of those individuals in those spheres each lived in their own smaller versions of the Dream Zanarkand, or shared it with loved ones. But yeah, Sin did take Auron to Dream Zanarkand to look after Tidus, and he then brought him back again to set him on his journey. I imagine the reason that Tidus got dropped off at Baaj was because Jecht didn't want to go near Besaid, or that its not controllable. Sin essetially is capable of cutting off parts of the Summon of Zanarkand and make it manafest on its own it Spira, I don't think we should assume he can control where they spawn into spira. After all, Jecht ended up in Spira because he apparently got too close to Sin while out at sea while it was in Dream Zanarkand, and seemingly ended up in Bevelle. So I don't think Sin could have picked up Jecht and dumped him in Bevelle without somebody seeing it.

@adammros8441

2 жыл бұрын

A prequel game with all the events leading up to Aurons death and his journey to zanarkand would be so cool if it was done in the retro style:)

The worldbuilding in this game is truly on another level. Everything ties together so neatly that even the intricate details are still being discovered. Love FFX.

@Buglin_Burger7878

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't consider this one as a proof of good design... rather people who noticed figured it was super obvious and those who didn't never thought about it.

@alecdickens1042

2 жыл бұрын

I agree that the worldbuilding for 10 is amazing. I tried getting into other Final Fantasy games, but nothing really grabbed me the same way that Tidus' story did. Either they start off with not enough info or they tried frontloading the plot. Not enough information was kind of Tidus' whole thing, though; he was thrown from his world quite literally into one that he never could have thought about. The machina you fight, for example, would have been entirely new to him despite them being a common problem for Spira because Zanarkand never needed weapon technology.

@Cloudsouth

2 жыл бұрын

@Robotic Gentlemen AKA The Squaresoft and SquareEnix change over. Enix was never as consistent as Squaresoft with game making in the Final Fantasy series. Each of Squaresofts were masterpieces and each loved. Enix's always were only occasional good ones.

@AlexCole272

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t play X-2 then

@caplorunnin

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. One of my favorite details is that the only characters that you can name within the game are Aeons. So even the very first thing you do in the game is a subtle hint towards tidus's true nature.

Sin was like the 8th member of the group, he helped so much. He sent Tidus to the Al Bhed at the beggining of the game so he could know to avoid speaking about Zanarkand (and avoid jail). Then, when Tidus learned everything, he sent him to Yuna. He sent the group on Bikanel to protect them from Yeavon. He didn't tried to attack them on the boat to Kilika or at Zanarkand. Now this... Jecht is awesome.

@Hallucinojelly

2 жыл бұрын

Once a Guardian, always a Guardian.

@FewNewReasonss

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't that the whole point? Heche brought Tidus there for a reason.

@pulsefel9210

2 жыл бұрын

all the previous sin did so too. the damage done was always yu yevon and his desires. the reason sin comes back for the sinspawn was the current final aeon doing its best to protect everyone by removing them, even if it ends up leaving more behind.

@malte3756

2 жыл бұрын

@@pulsefel9210 wow I never thought about that, wild

@burger_kinghorn

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if Jecht had more control because he was a double aeon. A citizen of Dream Zanarkand meant he was being summoned by Yu Yevon. But converting him into the final aeon fayth (more of a custom aeon) Braska was summoning him too. He had more than one mind guiding him.

I always thought it was weird that the party drops into the ice and magically arrives on the sand island. Being on top of sin, this makes this transition more sense.

@saadia4009

2 жыл бұрын

same

@Xsonic974

2 жыл бұрын

maybe jecht is in control of sin and could feel tidus and save the group

@Cloudsouth

2 жыл бұрын

@@Xsonic974 Jecht can control Sin only to a certain degree for only so long. He shadows them on the journey as best he can so that he can keep track of his and Auron's plan for the group as well as play his parts when necessary. In this instance on top of shadowing the group it is later said that Jecht went near temples here and there to listen to the Hymn of the Faith as it helped him maintain control.

@landmine36

2 жыл бұрын

It only really makes sense, if you assume Sin randomly does a barrel roll close to the desert ground to drop everyone off while going fast enough that they're thrown away from each other somewhat. Do a barrel roll!

@richardm5448

2 жыл бұрын

Well you hear the hymn, and the pyre flies being there, and the buildings matching sin. I remember telling my friend in high-school back in 2005 when he said he made it to this part. He was blown away that it was sin and didn't realize it.

So many years later this game is still a graphical masterpiece

@Molme13

2 жыл бұрын

Hello PlayStation guy 🙋‍♂️

@WaldoCarmen

2 жыл бұрын

@Conor Khabib he said, "so many years later this game is still a graphical masterpiece"

@AUTOFLOWERMADNESS

2 жыл бұрын

Truly pushed the PS2 to its limits wayyyyahead of it's time

@Alucaidt

2 жыл бұрын

just no way lol

@Josh-cn5yp

2 жыл бұрын

I'm Still shocked by how beautiful the Ending is in this game... the graphics are amazing even without the fact that they're 20 years old

I cry every single time I hear the games music, it reminds me of my father and I miss him so much. I wish he could have done another playthrough of this with me.

@bobbycorwen

2 жыл бұрын

Wandering Flame is an all time great. I love it so much.

@billyshorts371

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobbycorwen Thats the one my friend, and tidus commentary talking over it. hits me every single time without delay.

@Chalibay415

2 жыл бұрын

May your father rest in peace, I'm glad your dad and you got to experience this game together

@rawrkir

2 жыл бұрын

Now you got me crying too

@SweetheartAlyy

2 жыл бұрын

Hugs

I've beaten this game 10+ times and never noticed! When the cutscene shows Sin's full body, I just figured he was just "around" somewhere close and the ground shaking was produced by his overwhelming mass. I also just assumed that he transported the group to Bikanel the same way he transported Tidus and Auron from Zanarkand in the beginning. But this makes so much more sense! Sin really has been following them around!

@Yohfay

2 жыл бұрын

He actually did transport them roughly the same way. The "Zanarkand" that Tidus is from is an actual real physical place. It's essentially one giant aeon in the form of the memory of Zanarkand as it was out in the ocean somewhere. That's what the fayth up on Mount Gagazet are summoning. Sin literally just kind of picked up Tidus and Auron and took them somewhere else. So, when Tidus disappears at the end of the game, he's disappearing along with that "dream Zanarkand" because they're all part of the same aeon that is effectively just dismissed like when Yuna unsummons one of her aeons.

@jb7644

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think we're meant to discover this tidbit because the game was originally made for a CRT TV and formatted to 4:3. So the zoom out under lake macalania doesn't fully reveal Sin's fins. on top of that when you save your game, the location detail doesn't fully reveal we're on top of sin. Up until this point, the only time we see a full close up of sins head revealing the city on top of it was when he attacked Kilika island, and watching that from the original non-hd version, the city isn't fully detailed or clear. Its not until you get to Zanarkand that you see this in full detail. With the HD remaster, these aesthetics are more clear.

@Nykoooo1

2 жыл бұрын

same

@Cute___E

Жыл бұрын

@@jb7644 Honestly, great point

I honestly thought this was common knowledge, even right before the party gets transported to bikanel and the fayth stops singing, tidus kneels down and says "you were listening too" referring to sin/jecht and honestly I connected the dots on my first real playthrough I may have been unfounded in my reasoning or mistaken on some things/ quotes but I really did think the whole time this was the case

@ElectricMoonlight

2 жыл бұрын

I knew that Sin was in the lake from the FMV shot of him from underwater, but it never occurred to me that the party was actually on top of him. I just assumed they were walking around on ice.

@burger_kinghorn

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElectricMoonlight I don't think we ever see the towers on his back before that scene. We do in later FMV and the fights so you have to make the connection retroactively.

@RobeWithoutTheE

2 жыл бұрын

Me too! I didn’t think it was meant to be ambiguous. The game basically does a reveal of “oh btw you’re on sin’s back” 😂

@wesleyackerman8211

2 жыл бұрын

i remember it that way too, Auron says "the ground" and Yuna says "Sin!?" as she realizes it too.

@burger_kinghorn

2 жыл бұрын

@@wesleyackerman8211 Wakka notices there is something in the air.

Such a fascinating discovery. It's so amazing that we're still finding new information about this game, even now! Thank you for continuing to share your love for Final Fantasy X! :D

Amazing, I replay FFX every 1-2 years and have often questioned the logistics of a random floating ruin under Macalania and the subsequent transport to Bikanel, it makes so much sense

I was always so curious about the buildings ontop of SIN. This makes so much sense...especially with the pyraflies and such

This is so cool!!! I always wondered about that town/group of buildings. I also recently learned that Bahamut's fayth is actually watching the scene where Jecht is showing kid Tidus how to do the Jecht shot. Tidus isn't even really watching Jecht in the scene, he's facing the fayth

@habibmkhan

2 жыл бұрын

wow interesting find!

@Sawngawkuh

2 жыл бұрын

Resonant Arc's FFX analysis?

@lialowe266

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sawngawkuh Yes!! Their analysis is pretty thorough and I also really like learning about the differences between the English and Japanese scripts

Imagine being a linear game but still has so much deep and details into it that people still discover them till today. Square Soft really pushed their limit to beyond back at the time.

@timmytimmymit5607

2 жыл бұрын

It had to be slightly linear because of the way the story was brilliantly told. But FFX does become an open world RPG at the end of the game.

@MesserMusic

2 жыл бұрын

@@timmytimmymit5607 That’s some thing I actually like about the game. It’s like once you get to the end of the main story, a whole lot more of the world opens up to you. And with all the secret bosses and missions to do, It will keep you busy longer.

@ori.g4mi

Жыл бұрын

The game is a lot less linear than people make it out to be. You can always turn back and there aren't many true cut-off points. Before Operation Mi'Hen, you could actually make it back to Besaid by just going on the boat in Luca. Before Macalania Temple, you can run aaall the way back to the Moonflow if you need something done there. Also the airship at the end and the HUGE postgame (seriously, biggest postgame in FF history with tons of extra bosses and secret places to find like Omega Weapons hideout) make this game about as "linear" as FFVII or other older FFs were. The only truly linear games are XIII and VII Remake, much to their detriment

@RobotronSage

Жыл бұрын

It's not really that linear

@sparda9060

7 күн бұрын

@@ori.g4mi if they made the world the same as original FF7, the overworld being entirely open to travel. The game would be like 300+GB install as FF7 is fvcking huge similar to FF8. The game would be massive and long, so they opt to redo the game's story and cut it off into 3 releases instead of 1 massive one.

This blew my mind, but for anyone who played this game 20 years ago on a crt tv, we’re not meant to see a lot of sins details on the zoom out under lake macalania. On top of that, the closest detail we get of sin at this point was the attack in kilika island In which the city on top of sin’s head wasn’t all that clear. Rewatching the scenes in the HD remaster reveals more of the aesthetic.

The greatest thing about Jecht/Sin, is that you can always tell when Jecht is in control vs when Yu Yevon is in control of Sin. And all those times Jecht helped, it really makes him a much more tragic character than I recalled him as during my first playthrough back on the PS2.

I always assumed it was Sins back, because you start shaking when it moves. As for the buildings themselves. I think they must be Yu Yevons tower, as Sins armor was created around the area he summoned it from?

@Cloudsouth

2 жыл бұрын

Yu Yevon's armor you mean? (Sin itself) But yeah, as good a theory as any about the cluster of ruins on Sin. All our natural assumptions were that they are just there as a symbol of what Sin is and why it began and/or that Yu Yevon resides in it, though further down, similar to how the guardian/fayth has a location inside Sin. The ruins being apart of the location that Yu Yevon originally summoned Sin from the first time is a nice, simple and possible explanation for them.

@steveozone4910

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cloudsouth That's if they actually put that much thought into it though. It could just simply be an artist design choice. But logically that makes sense to me. If you were going to create something around you in close proximity, then a part of that environment would be absorbed into that entity too. The ruins have been able to stay put despite all of Sins swimming and moving around, so it makes logical sense to be a part of Sins overall structure/armor.

@Cloudsouth

2 жыл бұрын

@@steveozone4910 I think I remember it being the case in both ways. I think on the special features disc on the making of it that Sins design where the ruins on its head were concerned were actually something the designers just figured were cool as a way of physically showing a representation of Sins origin. But with all else that follows inside Sin it was probably incorporated in as an important location too deeper down inside. Wouldn't surprise me if they did put that much thought into it during the whole project considering all the small things they did lore wise and visually. Alot of Sins earlier concept art was awesome but much simpler, also maybe a little freakier.

@burger_kinghorn

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cloudsouth Maybe the monstrous Sin we see in game (Sin VI) is not the same as Sin I. Each time a final aeon is possessed and 'reformatted' into the next incarnation it could have become more and more distorted. It's a misconception that Sin (at least the original) is an aeon. Dream Zanarkand is. Sin is a blob of pyreflies held together by gravity magic probably hastily constructed by Yu Yevon to be his own guardian when the rest of his citizens were gone, transformed into fayth on the mountain. Sin has only basic cognition, like a guard dog, to protect him, his summon at sea, and destroy machina. That last part worked too well and literal when it destroyed the original Zanarkand.

I only found out in later years after playing it as an adult. As a 8-9 yo kid I didn’t understand the cut to Sin when scene played out under Lake Macalania. Later in the game after seeing the buildings on top of Sin, my line of thought was “Oh I must’ve been on top of Sin”. I love this game

Wow. in all my years playing this game, I never realized they were on Sins back

"How did everyone survive the fall into the ice" isn't very conclusive, as the main party in Final Fantasy always has plot armor. Think about Cloud falling off after the battle with a boss and is apparently just fine after falling a long distance, crashing through the roof of a church, and landing on some flowers. It's not unheard of for Final Fantasy characters to survive unsurvivable things in cutscenes, so that fall never gave me any reason to question what was happening.

@MusicoftheDamned

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I remember wondering but not really that much given other would-be fatal things that people in Final Fantasy games and other JRPGs have survived even in cutscenes. If anything, then that tendency tends to instead make you only question when the exact opposite happens with party members nearby given several easy methods of revival usually exist. But, no, those characters often just die because the plot demands they do, like with Aerith.

@derreklong3549

2 жыл бұрын

Or after the gave Sephiroth the materia he ends up washed up on an island halfway across the world in a vegetative state

What trips me out the most about the world building in this game is the amount of small differences in the dialogue and people as the story progresses. On my latest playthrough, I've done a lot of backtracking for stuff I missed (Al Bhed Primers, Valefor's second overdrive, etc) and as I'm passing through the areas are NPCs that weren't there the first time in the areas. After Seymour makes the proposal to Yuna, if you backtrack through Moonflow and the Mushroom Rock, you see the Guado out patrolling the areas. Also, a great bit of dialogue changes with the other NPCs I've already talked to. They all start discussing about the wedding, bridging the gap between man and Guado, etc. Most people don't take the time to go back, that far, especially during their first playthrough, but the little details like this really add so much more credibility to the world. Legend of Heroes is the only other series I can think of that takes this similar amount of time and effort in making small differences.

@burger_kinghorn

2 жыл бұрын

You'll see Warrior Monks patrolling where the Crusaders used to be on the Mi'ihen Highroad. They'll comment about the failed operation. If you go all the way back to Besaid there is a woman wearing a blue dress in one of the huts working on a loom. You can recruit her onto your bliztball team and she's better than any of the original Aurochs!

This makes me really hope Shesez does a full boundary break for ffx some time

I knew this after my first playthrough. I always found it pretty interesting that Sin had those buildings on it. Jecht caught his son and his friends and wanted to take them out of Macalania so they could find the truth of Yevon for themselves.

Such a fantastic detail. I always thought they landed on one of the forgotten ruins of a floating city destroyed many years past, similar to what we see throughout the FFX journey and alluded to by Wakka I think when riding the Shoopuf across The Moonflow. Sin is the guide and the gatekeeper. Wonderful design.

You know? Technically the lines of Tidus where he said: "You were listening too", kind off suggests that Tidus knew they were on top of Sin at that moment. And maybe the rest did too when they the shaking started and Yuna said: "Sin?". So yeah. =3

@DamienPoggi

2 жыл бұрын

I think it is the Tidus in Zanarkand who said that, while he's remembering the pilgrimage (the narrator).

@callmeshaggy5166

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnmclawson3982 the scene on the airship when they're hatching their Hymn plan also calls back to it. This to me is "the airship is the wreckage from the first mission" level.

I always thought it was the case because I recognized some of the buildings from Zanarkand.

Final fantasy X is my favorite game of all time, these kinds of videos are gems to me, thank you.

Funny thing too, if you listen closely during this scene you can hear this deep, heavy breathing. It’s easier to hear with headphones, but it almost sounds like someone’s heavy breathing during sleep.

Actually, I never understood why after falling down the ice lake they were in those "ice ruins" under the lake with fresh air and where was Sin when he appeared! Now it finally makes sense to me! Awesome!

Figured this out after a few playthroughs years ago. And while I thought it was cool at the time, I didn't realize it was an obscure detail.. So that's a nice surprise to find out also.

Just another reason this is the best final fantasy ever made. The newer ones, FF7R included don't hold a candle to X

@Walamonga1313

2 жыл бұрын

None of the older ones do either. Well maybe VIII and IX

@sjacqVO21

2 жыл бұрын

@@Walamonga1313 i agree, i would say even the og vii is pretty solid.

@Poet482

2 жыл бұрын

Starting with at least FF13, Square started to make games for people who don't enjoy games. It really is the death-nail of their artistic integrity. At least there's FF14.

@cloudzack1090

2 жыл бұрын

I do gotta say when I first beat ff10 I was very conflicted between ff7 and this. It really is a great game. I love all the final fantasys but this one was really something

@Poet482

2 жыл бұрын

@Diesel Never played 6, but that is pretty debatable with 7. What in the gameplay, story, characters, etc. is better in 7?

I loved this, I had zero clue about this scene under the ice. I was always quite mystified by the ruins on Sin’s back. For a long time I thought they were somehow connected to the tower of the dead inside Sin. I always wanted to know what would happen if the party went to the buildings, and it literally happens here!!

As you said, discovering things like this even after more than 20 years it's just mind-blowing. Back in 2003 I was a huge FFX nerd and this is very delightful for me. Thank you.

@AmethystSpeaks

2 жыл бұрын

Your comment added to this. I'm less on the fence from this than I was before.

This is really cool, always found this location weird, this does actually solve a slight nag that's been in the back of my mind for 20 years.

Omg that’s so cool! It makes so much more sense now. I always thought this sequence was so weird and out of place before now. Thanks for sharing and thanks for the OP on Reddit!

Yea, I never had any doubt about this after the first time through. The way the cutscene under Macalania plays out, it doesn't look like "Oh, here's Tidus and crew, and here's Sin floating in a body of water somewhere else" - it's "You fell on top of Sin, he's taking you somewhere."

I've watched your videos for years. I feel like you've been sort of integrated into the game artificially in terms of lore. Thank you ❤️

So cool! I always thought it was strange that there was so little water that far under the ice, but with Sin being there just under the surface, it makes sense! Great video to watch, a day after finishing my Switch playthrough!

The section you are on top of Sin, is pretty much how the characters realize that the hymn calms Sin down, enough to get close to it, or land on it.

I'm a bit confused.... I always assumed everyone knew this was Sins back!

This was honestly one of those things that i was curious about in the game that I don’t feel like was ever touched on or answered… this makes so much sense and you kinda just blew my mind man.

This game is 20 years old and it still manages to surprise me at every turn. I don't think i'll ever find a better game than this in my life.

I always wondered if each incarnation of sin looks the same.

@Cloudsouth

2 жыл бұрын

I wondered that too at times. Because of Yu Yevon's backstory you kinda assume that it must have looked the same each time plus with previous accounts etc. But it's still a wonder if outside of personality if any of the previous unique final aeons had an impact like that on it.

@NFITC1

2 жыл бұрын

I might be recalling incorrectly, but my impression is that it took a different form each time. Sin is the result of the Final Aeon merging with the spirit of the defeated Sin and/or the Summoner that summoned it. Therefore the Final Aeon must be more powerful than Sin in order to defeat it. The Sin we fight is the 100th or so Sin (since this cycle is about 10 years long and it's been going on for around a thousand years) and must be more powerful than each of the previous 99 Sins. It's been a while since I played it through and actually paid attention to any of it. FFX is probably my least favorite because the story isn't presented well.

@clintparsons3989

2 жыл бұрын

@@NFITC1 so that means, at some point in the past, Sin may have been a dolphin haha

@Cloudsouth

2 жыл бұрын

@@NFITC1 Nope, but you are right to question any wonders like this you may have. All people are. But Sin itself remains the same upon each incarnation. While each Final Aeon is different in appearance due to each guardian being unique as its faith, the final Aeon is simply used as a core of power and a base for which Yu Yevon merges and then recreates Sin around. Sin is the armour that protects each unique core as well as himself. So Sin itself is not different but you are right in that the final Aeon is and some unique personality traits in each Sin may be slightly changed. A for the 100th Sin. That would be spot on if every pilgrimage every 10th year was successful, but not every single one was unfortunately. Sin sometimes was around a while depending on how long it took someone to destroy it. This can be gathered by counting the amount of tribute statutes in a temple but that is likely not a correct number either depending on room and tributes to failed summoners as well as high summoners etc.

@Cloudsouth

2 жыл бұрын

@@NFITC1 Also what about the story wasn't you sure of being presented well? I think it was presented very well. Takes some playthroughs for some over time though depending how long its been since the last play.

Happy to see the community still so active as to delve into little details like that. I hope they'll find some "hidden" hints about Yevon (the dude) at some point, too. I was always surprised about how little is known about him. Cheers.

@Cloudsouth

2 жыл бұрын

I think all that is known about him is all there is going to be unfortunately. A fair bit of information but at the same time still a decent bit of mystery is where it will likely stay.

Nice find! I never knew about this, but it makes a lot of sense in the story.

I know the building on the bottom of Macalania Temple are the same Buildings on top of Sin, but back then i thought "Developer just lazy so they re-purpose assets", until i see the "No Clip" map and yes, that was Sin afterall.

I always thought this was just like a part of the story! I didn’t realise there were people who didn’t realise it was sin’s back. Doesn’t the game basically reveal it because everything starts shaking and then it shows sin moving?

@Justin-ym4pm

Жыл бұрын

Right, I was confused waiting for him to explain what was new and being "discovered". The game shows explicitly that there's nothing but Sin and water.

I'm so glad these puzzle pieces were put together. I had always wondered why that cut scene of Sin was shown with the group down there and how Sin moved them to Bikanel Island. Now we know they were on top of his back. Total mind blow!

I suspected this, but I never really thought much about it and just saw it as my own head-canon. So cool to have it confirmed though with the noclip to see the full view of the city ruins. Just got the platinum for this game a couple months ago thanks to your videos. FFX is my favourite game of all time, thanks for all the awesome content.

…I thought this was obvious. I didn’t really talk about it since I thought the game made it clear that we were on Sin, since we saw him underwater, then they’re on a previously unseen city, but then we later see a very similar city on top of Sin later. I don’t remember when I first noticed it, but I played the game like 40+ times overall and just assumed others also put it together if they played the game more than once.

@Buglin_Burger7878

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, even the panning shot shows a pair of buildings very closely, the same pair on the front of sin. Basic visual storytelling. It is borderline having a flashing neon sign saying "YOU ARE HERE!"

This is amazing! Thank you for enlightenment. That scene makes so much more sense and it also shows how delicate and special the game is.

I did not know this before seeing this video but when you prompted us to take a moment and think where this might be possible my first thought turned it to be the right one. This is so cool!!

This game has so many levels, it will never cease to amaze me. After all these years we still find new depths and details about it which shows how much work and thought was put into it. Incredible. Sin was like the 8th member of the gang after all. Thank you for sharing that !

FFX and then FF7 in my world. That story holds so much more in my heart. The music, the characters and the story…

Literally just played through this segment last night, mind is officially blown. love it!

When the camera zooms out to show the bottom of the temple you can see sins fins sticking up around the town

I will absolutely see this entire area in a new light….. can’t believe it, this is like the ff9 ERO side quest….. so many years…. And when the hymn stops and they start moving, thinking it’s sin, not actually realising, and Lulu warns about the toxin…. How little she knew….

in the opening cut scene it's shown that Sin distorts gravity with the destruction of the city and blitzball stadium. That could be a persistant effect around Sin explaining why the survived falling onto his back.

I never even thought of this and i always thought it was so weird that there was just one little snippet of ruins at the bottom of the lake

Good to have confirmation. I noticed this years ago on a replay of the game. In the wide shot of the area beneath the ice, when it zooms out, you can see Sins fins in the cutscene. That shot is a bit murky on purpose so that its not obvious when you first see it.

oho, i never made that connection! i was thinking "maybe he's talking about the moment under the lake? but that can't be because there's not much happening there." but that no clop really cleared things up. i was always confused by the "sin underwater" cinematic when it occurs because i wasn't really sure what exactly was going on.

I'm at 2:00 and I just want to make a guess beforehand that those buildings are where Tidus ends up after the Crusader/Al Bhed attack on Sin at Mushroom Rock. When he swims out and follows Sin, we get a sort of dream-like sequence with ghosts and images of what seem to be dead crusaders etc. I remember reaching the end of the game years ago and realizing that I'd seen the area before, specifically in that scene. - Adendum: So not what I was expecting, but funny enough I was just in this area in my current playthrough. I always thought this area was weird, but I never considered that Sin could be so far inland, randomly beneath us that whole time. It makes more sense to me now why the buildings look that way, and why the entire situation seems so out of place and mystical. There's always some sort of high fall, but this one takes the cake for me. Cloud on the bed of flowers has nothing on this. Traversing it I thought, oh wow, it's a real place. I never considered that we had simply been there before. Similar to the arena of the final fight with Jecht, which is that same area we swim through after Sin destroys Zanarkand in the intro. This game clearly has a lot of overlap between material reality and ethereal/spiritual reality, which not only suits the theme but also lends the story and world more depth. Beautiful. I love all of this.

It's amazing there are still new discoveries for this game over 20 years later! I honestly never thought anything weird about this sequence lol

Wow this is a surprise! I never ever woulda considered that! I for some reason always felt like the buildings on top of sin were connected to the “city of dying dreams” segment right before you fight jecht at the end, awesome 👏

I did not realise it either, until I left a comment on a let’s play of this game by PsychoWilko, who is a great channel. I made a comment about that area where the party are, and he then informed me about this information. My mind was 🤯🤯.

I thought the fact that you landed on Sin when you fell through the ice was just understood. I'm genuinely surprised anyone else wasn't aware of it.

@RobeWithoutTheE

2 жыл бұрын

I’m confused about this too. I thought it was just accepted that that’s where they were. The game basically tells you.

Now that you think about it, Lake Macalania Temple almost looks like the Airship too, so it's like if they foreshadowed later in the game very subtly

@Jyukenmaster95

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, this is what confused me in my playthrough. There's enough distance "north" between the wendigo fighting area & macalania temple that the gang needed machina bikes to get there. I didn't understand how falling down into the ice pool put them right under the temple. if the shiva fayth wasn't singing, I would've thought it was another sunken machina the al-bhed were in the middle of excavating. When you later escape Home on the airship, I thought it was the "airship" we saw after the wendigo fight, not the one Tidus and Rikku found at the start of the game

This is why I will always be subbed here. Little bits of lore from the game, that impacted my life the most, in concise video form. Thank you sir.

8 year old me understood that the party was on sin's head-town under the lake. Always thought this was made clear in the game.

@Justitia_Nomen

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t remember if I made that connection back then. To me, they landed on some old ruins before macalania and it just so happened that sin was nearby listening to the fayth song. That horrified me because that seemed like he was about to destroy the area at any given moment. Or atleast that’s what I thought back then

I've played ffx and noticed the ruins of those building on top of his head. I speculate those are the site where it all began; Yevon performing the summoning which created Sin.

the fact that they just forget all about the sin toxin plotline thing halfway into the game

I can't believe I never noticed the ruins on Sin's back, even after a dozen playthroughs!!! It makes so much sense now. Wow, that really went over my head, yeesh. Thanks for this!

Awesome info! It makes so much sense. I had never put this connection and don’t know if I ever would.

I always thought the buildings on top of Sin was a nod to Alexander. I always figured that Yu-Yevon's ultimate aeon was alexander, and her turns every final aeon into a mutant form of Alexander

Almost 20 years and I never noticed the city on Sins back, Amazing!

There's so many hidden details in this game. I stumbled upon a blog many years ago that goes into detail and deciphers all the different things that are written on signs and buildings in the game, from the Yevon script to the everyday stuff, and I keep going back to it every once in a while just for fun. I never actually knew that the text on the different signs is actually in English but just a really stylised font, because it was harder to see on a small screen with PS2 graphics than on the modern remaster.

Couldn’t have said it better: is the game that keeps on giving! After all these years, even if I’m not as a gamer these days I always hold this game dear to my heart.

At 9:50 when Auron says "the ground!" It does a zoom-in shot from above, and you can briefly see the full shape of sin's back

This is such a cool discovery. I would never have considered this fact until seeing this video!

I mean no slight, but I gotta file this one under "things I thought were obvious to everyone since 2001". They even mention out loud Sin being under the ice at Macalania later in the game when discussing their Hymn plan.

You're a legend for all of us Dansg08 can't thank you enough for the dedication

Didn't know this for sure but as I was watching this video the fall at macalania was all I could think of. It's the only location that I had no direct knowledge of what it was for sure. I certainly never though that it was sin catching them. This is great.

Another hidden thing that became more commonly known was how FFX is a direct prequel to FFVII in terms of world lore. In FFX-2 one of the characters (I forgot his name but it's the Al Bhed kid on the airship you're in), through his research, discovered a new energy that came directly from the lifeblood of the planet. It was later confirmed through an image of an adult version of that same kid in FFVII:R.

There's 2 major points that are missing. Auron and tidus have a connection to sin, with auron asking tidus if he didn't feel anything when tidus touched sin. So they or at least auron would know it. Also, when sin arrives all of them look upwards

When you said that you'd give us a moment to think about it, I tried to go back to the beginning of the game when Sin knocks Tidus off of the Al Bhed ship. Once I saw the Wendigo, though, I realized where it was going. So cool to learn something new about a game I've played so often on so many different consoles since its release!

I did not know of this awesome discovery. Thank you for sharing it. I really enjoyed your video. I also really enjoy all your other Final Fantasy videos.

Man, I never even thought of this before this video and now it makes sense how they went from the ice level to the desert so abruptly.

I thought this was a commonly known thing! The FMV was the biggest hint telling me you were standing on him. But also how Tidus mentions Jecht was always singing the hymn of the fayth when he was around. And how when the song stops he starts stirring again and you are transported. I love this game :)

If you talk to Lulu the game zooms out and shows the whole map, including sins fins and everything.

When I played this last time this is what I thought happened. Been a while, but I do believe one of the reasons I thought we landed on Sim is because someone in the game mentioned he enjoyed listening to the hymm from the temple. Which is also why they get everyone to sing it to calm sin down later in the game

Ahhhh mann! I’ve watched you ffx walkthrough probably 6 times through. The last couple times I questioned it. Just how they do that short video of sun. Made me wonder. Another reason to watch your play through for a 7th time!

Yeah I didn't think about it until starting this video but I realized it as you were talking about how there's another time when you're on sin's back.

So amazing this game that we've all been playing since childhood keeps on giving. If you aren't already, I highly recommend checking out Resonant Arc's on going deep dive analysis of FFX. They really dive into certain aspects like symbolism and it's ties to real world theology / culture.

As soon as you said that you'd been there before I knew exactly which part it was, but I'd never have connected that. I always thought that those ruins were so bizarre every time I played it and now I know why.

I cannot believe I didn't think of this before. This answers all of my questions about that scene.

This is just so incredible. I’m 100% going to spend some time on no clip soon checking out FFX-2 if it’s on there. Very curious to see how the environments have changed considering you visit the same locations but sometimes the camera angle is adjusted differently. Would be interesting to see what’s off screen in those scenarios.

@disfiguringthegoddess1102

2 жыл бұрын

10-2 has a few new areas all together too and the original areas are touched up. Its a good game

Makes my heart warmer to learn from these beautiful discoveries. Thank you so much ⭐

Wild! I thought this was something everyone picked up on back when the game released on PS2; didn't realize a lot of folks missed it. Definitely another cool little story thing FFX did in the background

🤯 This is my favorite Final Fantasy (not an mmo) and have played through it at least a dozen times. Never ever thought about. This was so neat to learn

@Walamonga1313

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine if X was an mmo 🤢

Thanks for the effort you put into this video, I love things like this but don't have the time or inspiration myself to do this kind of research. I really appreciate everything you do regarding the FF series. I recently watched the marathon ffx remastered movie you put together. And again I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate that somebody out there took the time to record and edit it all together. You sir. Are a gentleman and a scholar. Keep up the great work my friend