The video at the beginning does a good job of showing off the bow. Thanks for that. Love these bows.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I have a 45 lbs Monarq 53 " and I shoot a 525g arrow ZERO hand shock. 30 years shooting Olympic and I love this little beast. It is faster than my Hoyt Satori and Buffalo at higher draw weights and the bow is super quiet and soft. It does require Khatra and string twist. I have seen some shooters be very successful with Slavic release on it and I would love to learn that too!

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience. I tested many bows now and this one is still the one with most aggressive handshock. In comparison to Vegh bows it's completely different game.

I have the Monarq 53" 90#. I haven't noticed too much handshock with 88cm 63g arrows. It is fun to shoot! I hadn't seen your channel before but I enjoyed the video! Great shooting

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience :) Will try heavier arrows :)

1) Thumb draw. Draw over your ear, almost to your shoulder. Thumb draw gives your body the 'space' for this extended draw. The draw gets longer. With a certain level of tension, longer the draw, stronger the acceleration. You need a special ring for thumb draw. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumb_ring#/media/File:Archer's_Thumb_Ring_(zihgir)_LACMA_AC1995.168.1.jpg (You are doing the finger draw here....) 2) You call it vibration. I would call it 'reactoin from the twist'. You need some training to control this reaction.... You need a special training to keep your elbow straight and make the inside of your elbow face 45 degree downward WITHOUT pulling your left shoulder upward. It takes a couple of months. We call this 'flip the arm' (죽 엎기) here in Korea. '죽' in the old Korean language means your lower arm. When the inside of your arm faces upward or 45 degree upward, we call it 'fish belly arm'(붕어 죽)... Fish belly is whiter. The inside of your arm is whiter than the outside. (In the video, your elbow is open 45 degree upward and not straight. Then you cannot control the reaction...) Since the bow gets twisted with your hand as the pivot, when released, the bow plane rotates outward a little bit. This makes the string not to hit your ear or cheek, even though you drew over your ear. (A novice tends to have his/her ear hit by the string..... At first, no pain..just a strange sound (a siren)..then you feel the pain.... Sometimes your cheek gets hit. Here is a saying. "A bow string can hit the cheek of a king without being punished." 3) Korean bow is for long range sniper shots. We practice with a145 meter far target.

@CharliesRunningArchery

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your wisdom 🙏

I hope they make the gakgung

My conclusion is that Korea is famous with its archery culture, tradition bow crafting technology and skilled archers. I do want to share these experiences with many other people in many countries.

I'm using this bow 40pound 53". It's interesting. Thank you for your review.

Hey Charlie, love what you’re doing. You gave Armin a good workout challenge . Lol . I have 3 Daylites. #50@44” Skywalk! #55@48” Monarq, and #60@53” Majesty. No hand shock for me and each bow has different spine arrows. 500,400,340. They weigh approx. 525 give or take 10-20. I think the reason why the arrow pass is soft leather is to help improve side khatra. If done correctly, your leather arrow pass will have very little blemish. Me personally! I wrapped electrical tape over the leather pass because I don’t want to blemish the leather . I will soon eventually remove the tape because I’m improving my side and side down. Just in case though! I have ray skin waiting in my toolbox to be used. I also wrapped the bow grip with tennis wrap because I want to preserve my bows. All 3 Daylites are wrapped this way along with my Meng Yuen and Tatar.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing! I will be surely helpful even for others! Also thanks for your hacks with electrical tape :)

@SuperBigsupa

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharliesRunningArchery be safe Brother!

Korean bow are actually really hard to shoot properly im still training to get it right. From what I see in the video (no offense) your release is terrible. It should be fixed with proper grip thoe and maybe stiffer arrows. This will also fix your problem with arrows flying slower. You are loosing alot of speed when you are hitting the side of the bow. With proper hand position and pressure you should be getting around ~250fps at 9gpp. Also you might want lower arrow foc since the draw is long, 10-12% should do fine 🤗 Other than that those might be the fastest bows you can have. Check out switzerland combat archery or historical archery they did pretty good test with korean bows and one did 280 the other did 260.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for very in depth advices!

@MarcRitzMD

Жыл бұрын

you can't get 250 fps at 9 gpp with these bows. You mistemember the numbers. It was ~205 fps at 8 gpp. The 280 highs were with around 5 gpp and at those arrow weights you need a heavy bow. Highest for the arsenal is 60 lbs and then you'd be trying a 300 grains arrow.

I have the same monarq, I never really experienced the same handshock issues. Mind you I moved from a fibreglass bow to the monarq so it probably feels like no handshock in comparison. I immediately put a stingray leather arrowpass on since the leather one given would just wear down. I've started wrapping the handle with a cotton tennis racket wrap which gives it alot of comfort and is something the korean archers do for these bows iirc. I think the shape of the grip is to help with using the korean method of holding the bow

@slalomsk8er397

2 жыл бұрын

I have the less expensive Phoenix from the same company and I don't notice hand shock but I only have a Rolan kids Snake bow for comparison. My suspicion is that the heavy bamboo arrows (~30g or 460gr) that I use are a big factor (~13grain/pound). Also about the speed - I think the arrow weight is a factor in this. Armin is doing the speed tests with different arrow weights and I suspect that different bow designs have a different optimal kinetic energy and momentum profiles and it could be that the Korean bows like heavier arrows?

@Plasmaspy

2 жыл бұрын

@@slalomsk8er397 i use 530 or so grain bamboo arrows from sarmat, actually i think its supposed to be the opposite. I've heard stuff about korean archers going as low as 4 grain per pound since they shoot long distance for their traditional sport

@slalomsk8er397

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Plasmaspy so if I understand you correctly, you also got heavy arrows and no handshock? Charlie, how heavy are your arrows? to bad we don't have a chronograph and different weighted arrows to do the testing. I'm still wondering about the optimal weight for power transfer from the bow to the arrows.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

If I only have this bow, I would not notice that too. But just because I have more bows, I feel the difference every time I switch. Also great discussion guys, thanks :)

@0ooTheMAXXoo0

Жыл бұрын

@@slalomsk8er397 I have the 60 lbs phoenix. I have tried 8gpp, 10gpp, 11gpp... I have no problems with light arrows but Charlie has reviewed some very nice bows. Maybe the shock we experience as minor is still a lot as compared to a bow by Grozer or Simsek or Nawalny, etc...

I own a 53" 35# Phoenix from Daylite and I love it. It has a smaller harder grip. It looks like the korean bows have a standard grip (that mine doesent have), arrow pass and string pads. the arrow pass seams to be there to protect the bow from bad technique and is sacrificial. I guess I will sacrifice more then one ;)

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

The built quality is great, I will last you long :)

@ralfi1134

Жыл бұрын

use a 60 lbs like a boss

I'm curious what traditional bows you're shooting that are faster. I was watching chrono tests on this bow on a channel called "Historical Archery " and at 60 lb draw with 10 ish gpp arrows it was clearing 200 fps. At heavy draw 95 lb with light arrows he cleared 280, but he did say the arrows he was using were dangerously light. Do you normally shoot Olympic style bows?

@CharliesRunningArchery

Жыл бұрын

I don’t shoot olympics. Faster is for example Turkish by Vegh. Super fast bow :)

I see most people recommended heavier arrows. So that is covered. But as for being slow. 35lbs is at 30in of draw. But your draw is about 28 or 29, so it's not even 35lbs when you release it. If you draw it to 32in it would be closer to 40lbs. Maybe would feel much faster.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

You are right.

You have to draw from the neck make it faster

@CharliesRunningArchery

Жыл бұрын

It depends...

How long are your arrows? Seems like you are not reaching full draw or the arrows are 4-5 inches too long.

Martin Sporrï who practices speedshooting YT seems to be a big fan of korean bows like the Monarq. These bows may have a strong handshock because they are light weight and the limbs are made of carbon fiber ou fiberglass.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe it's because of that. For example my Assyrian from Bogar Archery is only 290grams and had no hand shock. But it's from ash and bomboo.

@Scario45

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharliesRunningArchery Same here, my Assyrian from Jackal Archery is 52 lbs at 28". Made entirely of Ash with fiberglass inside the limbs (beyond 40 lbs Jackal said they could not use bamboo yet, too fragile) and as you could see from Armin Himer's video mine has no hand shock too. Probably the wood is not just a decoration, its structure helps to absorb the surplus of energy from the shot.

Well I'm not an expert but I want to refer basic postures I learned Most Korean bows are desined to draw behind your ear. and put the backside of the arrow right under your ear (in short range) if you are taller than 178cm height than you'd better use 53" bow or longer which is called 장장궁 in Korea. (jang jang gueng : long long bow) of course I draw bow with my thumb and you have to sqeeze the string by rotating your fist to ne flat from the ground. and you have sqeeze your greap hand outside and upside from your body and maintain it until the end so that your bow is rotated after realsing. im this case actually arrow does not hit the bow so hard. I guess that is the reason why my bow was clean after few years of shooting and the index finger! fold it like you're pressing outside of the bow with your nail. I really want to recommand you practicing these actions. In my case I felt whole different and interesting experience compared to western bow. never forget your thumb protector (깍지) insert your thumb and rotate it 90 degree to lock it. one more thing. you have to rotate your grip arm so that your elbow points totally sideways without rotating your hand. I practiced it by rotating my elbow with my hand attatched to the wall and I also hold my bow 30-45 degree leaned ways like you did. I don't know why but it's traditional way. and looks cooler in my opinion lol. funny thing is that Korean archers actually wasn't trained to shoot and run while their bow was so suitable for it. I think the reason is that they usually shoot the bow on a horse if they wanted some mobility and prefered long range combat using terrain and fire weapons. so Korean bow is not designed to use in running. bad point for you I think. And because of it, many Korean soldiers died futilely by Japanese soldiers in 1592. They simply forgot how to use sword and was a sitting duck once they were in close combat. We won the war anyway using firepower but the loss was devastating. Right after the end of the war. We had to import swordmanship from Japan, which was a previous enemy 😂 in other ways Koreans loved bow that much. Even after they imported matchlock gun and tested it, they chose the bow as a main midrange weapon. And I think this is the main reason that Korea got weak during 1800 - world war period.

How heavy are your arrows? I have a suspicion about the handshock and arrow weight ;) And it looks like @Devilmeow has confirmed it as he has the same bow as you and also uses 530gr bamboo arrows.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

My arrows are carbons and they are about 380 grains arrow head, nock and fletching included.

@slalomsk8er397

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharliesRunningArchery 9.5gr/pound sounds OK. If I remember correctly problems start < 8gr/pound - this is armchair knowledge mostly form badly remembering Armins videos ;)

When you do Running archery, do you anchor or just pop shot like native american indian?

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

No anchoring at all... I rely on instinctive shooting and overall connection with bow, arrow and the target :)

@pyramid_scheme_termination3655

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharliesRunningArchery Can you try running archery with a sling bow? That would be fun to watch

That group wasn't from 80 meters. I've watched some of the best Indonesian horsebow shooters out to 50 and 70 meters and none--absolutely zero--shoot those kinds of groups...ever! Would you please tell us how you are able to do so?

@CharliesRunningArchery

Жыл бұрын

No... Aiming is my weakest point...

Daylinow has Turkish and Tatar bows.

What is your fastest bow?

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Definetly Vegh Turkish bow.

I'm not jumping and shooting anytime soon. Great review though

I’ve never experienced any hand shock at all what so ever. And Armin never experienced hand shock either. And this bow is one of the fastest bows out there.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Always when I switch back and forth with Assyrian from Bogar archery, I feel huge difference.

@AllofArchery

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharliesRunningArchery message me. These bows are rated for a 30 inch draw. And they are made to use a lighter arrow. Not so light to where it will be hard on it but a lighter arrow. This bow shoots 220 feet per second easily.

What about with khatra technique?

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Not a fan, for now...

Dude I use all daylite bows. They are the best. They are super light and super fast.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

I like this one, as I said in the video. Just have bows that fit me better :)

@ggnotgd

2 жыл бұрын

Hi 😊. Hmm do you have monarq and majesty model? May i know, which one is better? I mean those two are almost same, but which one do you think is more worthy? (in terms of price, handshock, arrow speed, etc). Hope to hear some answers from you. Tqvm 😊

@AllofArchery

2 жыл бұрын

@@ggnotgd well alot of bow makers don’t like it when people use chronographs because results can be faulty. Jack did one of the majesty and got 230 feet per second in one test using the majesty (unless your using multiple machines with a perfect release and Kahtra because if u don’t you will get different readings every time) because arrow speed can vary upon a bunch of different things all the way from the way u release to different techniques. Daylite bows are made for 145 meter shooting, The majesty is made for torque type of khatra it’s super strong and stout and was the first ever 3k cross carbon Korean bow, it’s a speed powerhouse like the monarq and it’s got a high feet per second. When u shoot these bows with the right torque there’s little to no hand shock but then again this is my opinion. (At least for me, I’m also a retired mma fighter an I feel non)

@ggnotgd

2 жыл бұрын

@@AllofArchery Ouh hmm so maybe the majesty is little bit better than monarq right? If you personally, which one will you pick between those two? I think the majesty is quite worthy, bcz I got to practice some techniques such as khatra more perfectly 🤔

@AllofArchery

2 жыл бұрын

@@ggnotgd both are amazing with Khatra.phenomenally fast. I personally choose the majesty, day Kim knows what he’s doing while making bows, he’s a traditional archer of many many years, he’s worked 10 years with win win and then started his own business making his own bows. He’s so good at what he does that Korea has put him on the board for Olympic archery. He also backs his bows with a two year warranty

Superb 👌

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks 🤗

for me accuracy is very interesting

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Good :)

Make a slow motion video you can see how bow behaves, good bows don't oscillate after shot.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

I own the bow no more so I can not do this, but great tip, thanks!

That 2 year warranty is the best.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

I didnt mention that, thats cool, yes :)

my fovorite bow ..l have #80 shoot like a god....

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

80? Oh my!

Name a fastest , accurate and no handshock bow Charlie

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Turkish by Vegh Bows (super fast, very comfortable), Janissary by Alibow (review soon), Nawalny Turkish Monolith (review on my channel). And list can continue :)

hmm youre actually the first person ive seen over the last 15 reviewers to say it has hand shake. Everyone else says it has virtually zero hand shake. must be the arrow weight your using

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Or I’m just spoiled by Vegh and Bogar bows 🤷‍♂️😇

You have the most unique draw I’ve ever seen. Mongolian style but not a thumb draw.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. I do develop everything by my own. I do not copy others, I just try and test out whatever comes to my mind. Since this review I moved my style forward a little bit. Check my newest videos.

Now i use monarq 60 lbs. In my opinion I think this brand is less handshock and softer than other korean bow brands. at same pounds and at the same price.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

I did not run test for different Korean bows before so I cannot confirm that. What I can say is that I love quality of this specific bow. Great job!

wait till you try a Manchu bow lol. The handshock is real.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

No doubts :)

perhaps your arrows are too lightweight and this is why you are experiencing so much handshock?

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

You think? I use about 380 grains arrows.

@nicholasmatuza728

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharliesRunningArchery It's possible! I usually like to stay at a minimum of 10 grains per pound of draw weight. So if your bow was 50 lbs at full draw then I'd go for at least 500 gn arrows. Go ahead and give it a try and see how it is for you!

@quarantinedarcher4348

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharliesRunningArchery Also I would totally recommend Gold Tip Traditional shafts. I love them!

@rblackmore1445

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharliesRunningArchery 380 grains is perfect for 40# bow! You probably just need stuffer ones. For 40 pound at 32" I would go with 350 or 400 spine arrow with around 10% foc. Enjoy the bow.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

@@rblackmore1445 Now I use 500 spine, will try stiffer ones :) thanks

Also, you are using a Ottoman grip with you bow hand. You might feel less hand shock using a Korean grip technique. Cheers.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Good, thanks.

You don't fulldraw the bow so you don´t get the performance of it.

@CharliesRunningArchery

2 жыл бұрын

Probably yes.