I remember that Delta helped to convert the Korean cockpit culture to a more 'joint participation cockpit culture'. This was a very serious problem with KAL. Subsequently, the accident rate noticeably decreased. A very hard lesson learned for the Koreans. Great video.

@julosx

3 жыл бұрын

Until this very crash, Korean Air safety record was not good, pretty comparable to China Airlines at that time.

@ddegn

3 жыл бұрын

I heard (read?) the Korean Airlines had the flight crew communicate among themselves in English. Apparently the Korean language reinforces the authoritarian nature they want to avoid in the cockpit. I just checked Google and apparently the new CEO of Korean Air changed the official language of the airline to English sometime prior to 2013. As you said, Korean Airline's safety record has improved a lot with this change and other CRM training.

@magillanz

3 жыл бұрын

the old asian culture issue. Only speak to superior when spoken to

@paulazemeckis7835

3 жыл бұрын

@@magillanz this still prevails? How pathetic.

@markhuang8425

3 жыл бұрын

@@julosx u mean China Airlines? They are owned by two different sovereignty

Having worked for a Korean company, its easy to see how the culture can lead to this happening, hopefully younger generations will be able to overcome the dangers.

@tensevo

2 жыл бұрын

Let's remember, poor CRM did not cause this accident. it might have helped to save them, but was not the cause. Having instruments fail with zero visibility is no walk in the park. It's literally a death sentence that you may or may not recover from.

@mofayer

2 жыл бұрын

Actually this video is specifically trying to highlight the poor crm. Any problem can become disaster with poor crm.

@brandonjustus9954

2 жыл бұрын

@@tensevo This is incorrect. CRM is the definate Cause of this accident. Bear in mind they had 2 good working ADI, and one bad one. Second off, this is not exactly a uncommon problem. ADIs fail, its why you got backups. I've had a ADI failure and it wasn't a big deal figuring out how to fly the plane without it. A experienced crew could figure this out in a heartbeat. Infact 2 crews prior to this one did just so. Further more in this episode, we know that the flight engineer ALSO did the same and that the first officer should have spoken up rather forcibly. As a pilot this is a rather easy non-issue to deal with especially considering they weren't in IMC even just nighttime, which isn't zero visability and even IF they were IMC, they still had the advantage of those 2 working ADIs. The cockpit recorder is VERY damning. The ONLY conclusion to draw from this IS what the report states which is poor CRM killed these pilots. I hate to say it but this crew if not during this accident, were they to come across another accident in a similar situation where only the junior officers had they had the correct information, they would have killed themselves just the same, a fact reflected by Air Korea's poor safety performance during those years.

@tensevo

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandonjustus9954 I think you are mixing up cause and effect.

@WouldntULikeToKnow.

2 жыл бұрын

@Savas Kurt probably a load of tinfoil hats. Did you get yours yet?

As a “civilian” that has no experience as, or intention to be, a pilot , I’m so appreciative that this resource is out there for the airline piloting profession. I just feel safer that this CRM principles are being promoted and emphasised in such a constructive manner. It’s incredible how quickly and how easily things can go wrong. 🙏 thanks!

@20chocsaday

2 жыл бұрын

As another civilian, I was slightly disturbed to see that the crew are reading repeaters of a single measuring device rather than having independent measuring devices. Still, there would be a question of which to believe.

@HansDunkelberg1

2 жыл бұрын

No, it's incredible how _seldom_ airline accidents with fatalities happen today. This also will explain some of the accidents that still happen. The safer somebody feels, the less he will often be prepared for dangers.

@marhawkman303

2 жыл бұрын

@@HansDunkelberg1 also I paused at 12:41 just to stare at Captain Park Duk-Kyu's record. over 13K flight hours... over a year and a half in air. man... now that's a career pilot.... Hmmm is he the kind of person to go "enh, dunno what's wrong, but it's probably fine"? Hmm can't say.

@materliliorum

2 жыл бұрын

@@20chocsaday I had exactly the same thought

@HurricaneJD

2 жыл бұрын

I too like this material. I've probably watched every episode of air crash investigation. Some episodes more than once. Plus I watch 74 gear plus I watch this channel. I've never flown in an airplane a day in my life but I'm confident that I know more about flying than the average person does lol. Hell whenever I see an accident that has happened recently, from the small amount of info I might have, I start to diagnose what probably happened Lol. And I have these channels to thank for that

As a physician on duty in an intensive care unit, I know well how essential it is to know how to listen to all the members of the team so that the shift flows and we can manage critical patients in the best way in order to help them in their recovery.

@gusm5128

7 ай бұрын

True mate , good comparison.

@PrettyVacant45988

4 ай бұрын

Well said. 'Triage' is a broader word than realized.

You hit a new high standard with each recent video.

@Formula1st

3 жыл бұрын

@The New NKVD no u

@MentourPilot

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! We are really trying to ramp up production value at the moment. You can really help us by sharing the videos on social media. It really helps 🙏

@sjpeckham1

3 жыл бұрын

agree; top notch production values

@Netbase2000

3 жыл бұрын

"we"?

@PutsOnLoafers

3 жыл бұрын

@@Netbase2000 duhhh... All this takes more than 1 person to create

Honestly this is the best kind of these videos. Facts are told by an expert and nothing is overly dramatised. Just straight to the point and beautiful graphics. Love it keep up the good work

@xYOSIYAx

3 жыл бұрын

He also includes the aftermath instead of just detailing how the accident happened.

@MrBsbotto

2 жыл бұрын

Aside from the highly professional storytelling, these videos succeed because of their humanity. You don't need a cast of thespians to bring to life the drama and heartbreak behind these accidents. This grabbed me because it dealt with the real time challenges facing the crew. I like the idea of getting the interpretations of an actual pilot over the stories of some writer filtered through a cast of actors. Different strokes, I guess. Thanks again!🐸

@conniewrightsman9122

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree! He makes everything clear and concise, sometime worthiness in other videos make fast forward...but never here!

That animation at the end around 35:01 still is chilling. Your explanation might have made it sound like it took a while for events to unfold but it all took place in nearly half a minute. The ATC wishing them good night to the impact just a while after would be a horrifying thought

This video brought back some memories! I was in the cockpit jump seat on an arriving cargo airline flight. Due to a disabled aircraft blocking the main taxiway we had to wait for walking marshallers to help us use the alternate taxiway. While we waited I was listening to Korean asking to push but not allowed as they hadn’t yet filed a flight plan. We taxied very slow into the ramp and I believe we had about 10ft clearance between our wingtip and the Korean B747 wingtip. They departed after we had parked and by the time I’d got out of the terminal and into the car the news came over that Stansted was closed due to a crash. Of course the TV news broke the story before they had the details "Stansted Airport has been closed due to a major cargo airplane crash. Full news at 9pm." My parents were in panic until they found that it was a departing aircraft not arriving. When I got home and got the details I realized that it was the flight I had been listening to on the headset only 10-15 minutes before they crashed.

@tubeymcdee

11 ай бұрын

@Bigga Nigga How? What a weird thing to say.

@tubeymcdee

11 ай бұрын

@Bigga Nigga I mean how do you know they're lying? I don't get it?

@johnwolf2349

11 ай бұрын

​@Bigga Nigga r/nothingeverhappens plus "its been a year, why are you bothering now lol?"

I appreciate the below aspects of your video: 1. Your approach of speaking to the camera, which gives the watchers an experience as though you are directly talking to them, explaining to them, as opposed to hearing a voice in the background 2. You started with the history, leading up to the fatal events that unfolded. It felt easier to comprehend. 3. You avoided unnecessary over-dramatization that is normally a theme of such programs

@sampathsris

3 жыл бұрын

4. Yet, you maintain the unbiased poignancy, giving insights on why certain individuals acted in certain ways. This creates a learning opportunity rather than cheap satisfaction you get by blaming it one one more more individuals.

@57thorns

2 жыл бұрын

I think there is a reason why this channel is called "Mentour Pilot". These videos are educational, not entertainment. And this makes it so much more interesting even for someone who is not a pilot.

@Muck006

2 жыл бұрын

Aircraft fly because of SCIENTIFIC FACTS ... not because of FEELINGS ... which is the basis for sensationalism and most current-day politics. If you want to stay alive and keep flying as a pilot you NEED the MINDSET OF FACTS AND LOGIC. *Emotions are the opposite of logic and reasoning!*

@57thorns

2 жыл бұрын

@@Muck006 Not sure what you are so emotional about?

@PeterSt1954

2 жыл бұрын

@@Muck006 Not the opposite but a separate and complementary sphere of mental activity. We engage in the scientific process of maximising safety only after and because we have emotionally decided that people are worth keeping alive. Science may be an objective and unemotional process but we engage in it for profoundly emotional reasons.

These are genuinely more interesting than even air crash investigation episodes. Clear concise information without bias!

@julosx

3 жыл бұрын

The original ACI episode was as clear as winter ice though, for as much as I can remember.

@danielmarequeiglesias5015

3 жыл бұрын

Was about to say the same!

@paulazemeckis7835

3 жыл бұрын

Bias in plane crash investigation videos? Exactly what would be the motive?

@leroypenn558

3 жыл бұрын

@@julosx yes true there's no doubt just comparing the quality of this to an actual TV show! Like this is top level KZread content we're getting

@PutsOnLoafers

3 жыл бұрын

And no disgusting narrator voice as if it's some kind of haunted house trailer

As a 27-year resident of Japan, I can attest to the extreme deference shown by juniors to their seniors, at least in the corporate world (leading to some very poor business decisions). I'm glad that this cultural issue is being addressed in the aviation industry. Respect for your seniors may be a good thing overall - but not in the cockpit.

@siavoshkasravi398

Жыл бұрын

We should have reasonable respect for everyone.

@1985evee

Жыл бұрын

Agreed 💯💯

@XXXDope-oh5wm

Жыл бұрын

Boomers don't just get respect. Respect is earned by deeds, not by age. Boomtown is falling and crumbling, then we can fix all the crap the boomies caused. No respect for elders. They don't respect us.

@azimuth9819

Жыл бұрын

​@XXXDope-oh5wm if you want to think that, fine, but stay out of any professional work place and especially stay away from me 😂

@XXXDope-oh5wm

Жыл бұрын

@@azimuth9819 Boomer

The animation at the end is really eerie. When you watch a 30 minute video about an incident like that and you analyze all the details of what has happened, you tend to forget how quickly everything unfolded. You think "how can that even happen?" and then you see it in real time.. tough to imagine being in that situation.

It reminds me of Tenerife with Van Zanten's annoyance at diversion and delay somehow. A highly experienced captain intimidates everyone else even when they know they are going to die they won't speak up. CRM is there for a purpose but interpersonal relationships between crewmembers can make this very, very difficult.

@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648

2 жыл бұрын

one would almost think that such a captain, knowing that this is the case, would explicitly speak to his crew saying that if he does something stupid, take every effort to alert him up to and including shouting in his face.

@daveyr5462

2 жыл бұрын

@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 Unfortunately the culture in flight crew back then in Korea (and the Far East) is that deference, even when facing certain death, means that the junior crew won't speak up. As a British pilot, it sounds preposterous to go to certain death passively but culture plays a very important role even now after these crashes. It's not restricted to just the Far East, in the case of Tenerife the KLM captain Van Zanten was such a twat that he bullied his crew into staying silent even when they weren't sure if they had T/O clearance. Fortunately CRM has come a long way and junior crew aren't afraid to speak up and report CRM breaches as a result of these crashes. The safety systems and polices in place today mean that such aggressive crew will be retrained and that junior crew will no longer be passive. At least in theory. The Pakistan AirBlue A321 crash was pretty much a repeat of Koreanair where a junior pilot was bullied and silenced by an egotistical wanker of a captain. Me personally, I would ignore culture and take control from the captain who was going to kill us all but would many F/Os have the guts to do that? It's a conundrum that even in the new millennium shows that CRM has a long way to go.

@athunderbolth9646

2 жыл бұрын

@@daveyr5462 agreed!

@Mcfreddo

2 жыл бұрын

@@daveyr5462 Certainly it's insane.

@anthonyglee1710

2 жыл бұрын

What a shame the first officer knew what was going to happen. I’m a senior manager in IT , but I’ll always engage my junior guys in big decisions. Reason? They’re smart and sharp.

What I find hard to believe is with such an experienced Captain, when he kept putting left bank input and his bank indicator remained flat, why wouldn’t he have scanned the back up and the first officer’s indicator given the warning as well? Great video.

@shizzynwa

Жыл бұрын

Because captain thought he was the supreme King and FO had his nuts taken away.

@jordanhenshaw

Жыл бұрын

It blows my mind.

@triplemoyagames4195

Жыл бұрын

Riiiiiight, with an alarm going off, why wouldn't he check or at the very least ask his FO "What's your side saying"

@caspkeeley

Жыл бұрын

Im surprised he could not feel the bank

@scrubbasher6418

Жыл бұрын

@@caspkeeley Good point.

As the mother of a pilot in training, your videos have given me greater confidence in the innate safety of his vocation. Glad he is well rounded, handles crises well amd is a rational thinker under duress. Your videos show how important this is. It also gives me a glimpse into the cockpit and black box data analysis us immensely interesting! I speak for many of us who thank you for making the analysis of these accidents or anomalies available to the layperson as well as the professional aviators! Safe journeys!

@zakir1515

Жыл бұрын

Oh no teresa how are you?

I Salute you Sir. Not only do you break the accident into "bite-size" packets, you also generate a forward-looking plan to obviate a recurrence.

The quality of this videos just keeps increasing

@MentourPilot

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! That’s our goal

@ahmadtheaviationlover1937

3 жыл бұрын

@@MentourPilot your videos are amazing!!!!

@vonduus

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree, I have been following this channel for years now, and the content has always been very high quality, but somehow Mentour Pilot manages to make it even more interesting as the years go by. If I could afford it, I would pay him for his excellent work, but I am poor ("en fattigrøv" som vi siger både på dansk og svenskt) so I just ride along for free. Thankyou, Petter, keep it coming!!!!

@kirilmihaylov1934

3 жыл бұрын

@@vonduus mentor pilot is cool 😎

@johnnyjoiner3061

3 жыл бұрын

@@MentourPilot fff4d4d4rdafa3eeè3e34 r r4e3ereeeee r Rd re4 re e3r true to be the best regards t6 The yf nut q thug gt5

As a young doctor your videos about CRM are so educational and insightful. I'm lucky that most teams I've worked with have created a high level of psychological safety for me to speak up about my concerns, so I'm gently corrected but not ridiculed when I'm wrong. That was not the case even 20 years ago. I'm glad both flying and medicine have improved so much in this respect :)

@paulazemeckis7835

3 жыл бұрын

On behalf of your patients, so am I!

@rodneyh1947

3 жыл бұрын

What perplexes me is that they fear authority more than death lmao. Seriously i was the FO i dont care how much experience the capt has, if he is a moron at that moment im overriding him and if he fights ill knock his ass out. If I lose my job so be it because I would still have my life.

@hauntedshadowslegacy2826

3 жыл бұрын

CRM culture has an effect with patient voices, too. My primary care listens to my concerns and takes my input seriously. She's fully aware that she doesn't know everything. She knows that some patients are competent enough with computers, biology, and chemistry to do some of the basic leg work ahead of time. To me, it feels as though she treats my appointments as collaborative efforts. Of course, there's some things I can't know, and I'm willing to admit it, but I think that's part of what makes the collaborative style of treatment work so well.

@57thorns

2 жыл бұрын

As a potential patient and airplane passenger, I am doubly thankful. Perhaps that is reason enough to pay a little extra to fly with the high cost airlines?

@alastairbarkley6572

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Jayashri. As a senior doctor in the British NHS, I was involved until I retired in improving the NHS safety culture. I do NOT believe that importing lessons from the aviation industry has been particularly helpful in British hospital healthcare. Most of the many incidents I was involved with did indeed show the 'Swiss cheese' effect but a common theme was the very poor support infrastructure - supply, administrative, repair, technical... things like poor IT, badly designed processes for alerting hi-risk test results, dreadful levels of understaffing and very poor support staff training. It was like an airline that made no effort to monitor and improve performance of mechanics, technical support - or an airport that didn't train the refuellers or the police & security people, the guys who repair the runways and so and exclusively focussed on pilot training and CRM. Radically improving quality in the support infrastructure is VERY expensive - too expensive for the British government's Department of Health who found it cheaper to continue a 'blame culture' - to believe that patient safety was improved not by investment but by threats to and intimidation of the staff. It speaks volumes that Dr James Reason (mentioned in the video) was very popular for a while in the NHS until the COSTS of implementing his policies became clear. Dr Reason is no longer popular - or even discussed.

Whenever it comes time for you to mention that people died as a result of an accident, you always show respect with a bit of silence. I very much respect and appreciate that. Thank you.

I too appreciate the direct eye contact, and the feeling that we're sitting in my living room while you tell me this story. As a guy who frequently has to troubleshoot systems and failures caused by the actions (or inactions) of others, I also really, really appreciate the careful phrasing - rather than "the first officer did not do the thing" - which requires a certain amount of speculation - you say "there is no indication that the first officer did the thing", which is verifiable statement of fact. (Maybe he pushed this switch or pulled that lever, but it chose that exact moment to fail spectacularly, and so recorded nothing on the data recorder, and was coincidentally moved back (or destroyed) in the ensuing crash. What we know for sure is "there is no indication".) When you do choose to speculate, you're always careful to say you're speculating, but provide a reasonable basis to justify it. (The FO on this flight did not say anything in the last few seconds; this is verifiable, but the reason requires speculation, and "just got chewed out by a far senior captain" is far more likely than "picked that evening to start sniffing glue". You're speculating, but with a reasonable basis.)

@pipimontana

2 жыл бұрын

Like the Mona Lisa - his eyes follow me constantly

@DaddyBeanDaddyBean

2 жыл бұрын

@@pipimontana Even when we're not watching his videos, he's still watching US. 😳

Fantastic video! As an ex-flight attendant with an East Asian carrier, I really appreciate the explanation on the dynamics at play in terms of hierarchy between crew members and employees, which are a recurrent problem due to culture. Also and more generally, I really love learning more about the flying and that this channel makes it accessible to all.

@dthomas9230

Жыл бұрын

I'm an ex-F/A myself and will never tire of aviation's complexity, from trade to engineering and culture. "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things can not be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one’s lifetime" Marl Twain Innocents Abroad.

@ericatny

Жыл бұрын

why you become ex Flight attendant

@reallynotmuffin

Жыл бұрын

​@@ericatnyyk that being a flight attendant isn't the best job yk?

You should go over how aircraft fire fighting works, there are some very good videos of incidents but no real explanation of what they are doing and why.

@MentourPilot

3 жыл бұрын

That can be done. As soon as this Covid stuff is over

@GreggRoberts

3 жыл бұрын

Asiana 214 comes to mind. MP could teach us lot with the videos from that.

@filipinordabest

2 жыл бұрын

@@MentourPilot Perhaps you can visit a local airfield firefighter unit, to know how they do?

Thank god that this was a cargo flight, and not passenger service, nor impacted a populated area. Tragic as it is, it could have been SO much worse. Thank you for the valuable lesson, and RIP to the KAL crew.

@wokewokerman5280

2 жыл бұрын

I love the 747 but over this models life there have been 63 hull loss incidents over their 30 life of 1570 total units, that's about one in 25. Say you were FO and then captain on one for 30 years, and typically fly half or a third of those hops. The you have a 1 in 50 to 1 in 75 chance of being one of those unfortunate crews...no so great odds for crewman....

@BoostChicken

2 жыл бұрын

@@wokewokerman5280 This is super misleading. There have been 63 hull losses per plane made? Those two data points have nothing to do with each other. Try hull loss incidents per flights flown. They are extremely safe. To further illustrate my point, lets say Boeing sees your stat then say "Make 1570 more 747s!" Your stat has changed, but the safety of the air plane has not.

@bigd5899

2 жыл бұрын

@@wokewokerman5280 They are safe. 747s are always in the air, last year 30+ 747s had more than 100k hours or eleven years of airtime. If you factor out maintenance and pilot errors accidents per airtime are very low.

@PerryPlatapussi

Жыл бұрын

@@wokewokerman5280 I hope you don't gamble lol

@wokewokerman5280

Жыл бұрын

@@bigd5899 ...you miss the entire point and the facts, I said a crew that is on the plane for a long career...geesh

As a junior AME, mainly a refueler, in the early 80s in Fort McMurray Alberta, Canada. I was so impressed by how the flight crew of the 737’s treated me with respect and dignity when I brought the fuel report to the pilot. I in coveralls and they looking so professional. All smiles and friendly, yet so very thorough.

@tlangdon12

9 ай бұрын

Commercial aviation depends on a team. No one person can do everything, and so it is right that every member of the team respects what the other members bring to it.

@EagleEye8208

7 ай бұрын

Ego and status had no place in the cockpit. That can also be said of many other professions.

@mikoto7693

7 ай бұрын

Nine months late, but I can attest to that too. I’m an aircraft cleaner and ramper (ground crew) and in the year and a half I’ve worked, I’ve never been treated badly by the pilots and flight attendants. They’ve always been very respectful of me and even freely helped me out a few times and vice versa. Ahh the stories I could tell! I’ll settle for just one. We’d just finished cleaning a Dreamliner and we had all gotten into our cleaning van and we’re waiting for our supervisor to finish doing the water truck duties so he can drive us to the next aircraft. It’s the middle of summer so we have the windows down. And then we look out the window and see the captain descending down the steps. We’re curious but nothing else… until this senior captain reaches the bottom of the steps and it becomes apparent that we’re his intended target. Near panic breaks out amongst us cleaners because the pilots seldom talk to us. If we miss a spot or don’t do a section of aircraft to satisfaction it’s always the flight attendants who correct us or call us back. Logically then, if the captain is coming for us, someone has ROYALLY screwed up. 🤣 I swear, a couple of my colleagues were probably thinking about bailing out the other side. And then the captain reaches us. There’s a silence as he looks at us. Our eyes meet. So, almost casually I asked “Uhh.. hello captain. What can we do for you?” I’m mentally bracing myself because now I’ve just gone and unofficially nominated myself as group speaker. But instead of the tongue lashing I’m expecting, this captain takes on a very polite, respectful and entreating tone and explains that the last crew had left the cockpit in a bit of a mess and would we kindly clean it? I’m astonished, and slightly hesitant because none of us (yet) had the proper cockpit cleaning training. It’s a forbidden zone. It must have been blatant that he’d just blindsided me because he gave me the seconds I needed to process and answer. Finally I agreed to do it on the condition that either he or his FO supervised me-so I didn’t accidentally press something or break the multi million pound aircraft. He was very happy to accept my terms, so I hopped out of the van, grabbed my supplies and equipment and followed him back aboard. And yes, it was a mess which included spilled drink on the carpet which took a while to clean. He was the one supervising me while the FO did the walk around-then they kind of milled in the doorway until I was done. He even walked me back out to the van, expressing his gratitude and getting my employee details to commend me. And to explain to my supervisor since he’d returned to pick us up by now. Fun times.

The visual quality of your videos is getting higher and higher with every upload man. Great job, I really enjoy these videos even more than the older ones. And I love how you always keep improving.

@MentourPilot

3 жыл бұрын

I will keep working! Thanks for your nice feedback

@adenkyramud5005

3 жыл бұрын

@@MentourPilot thanks for all the great content. You got me interested in aviation and I've learned a lot from your videos.

@ahmadtheaviationlover1937

3 жыл бұрын

@@MentourPilot keep up the great work captain!! 😉 your work is amazing and it’s really engaging with all the cool sound effects and animations is just beyond amazing

@dinoschachten

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed! These are done really well!

@voornaam3191

3 жыл бұрын

Nice, but I do miss his dogs. Did they have a haircut that night? Or did their INU1 have a malfunction?!

Captains anger has clouded his judgement. The engineer knew that there was no recovery at that moment that's why he said it in a small voice *bank*.

@Boss_Tanaka

3 жыл бұрын

He was angry just like the dutch 747 captain in Tenerife

@flagmichael

3 жыл бұрын

I have had a moment of clarity before Bad Things happen; the quiet voice makes sense to me. Once I lost the front tire of my bicycle - it rolled off the rim - in a 35 mph downhill turn. I seemed to hang in the air for a moment. At first I thought, uh-oh. Just that... a quiet thought. Then I realized how good I felt in that instant, nothing hurt although it would less than a second later. Such is fate.

@Group51

3 жыл бұрын

I know there were many factors, but when I heard the flight engineer saying Bank! Bank! I thought of flight envelope protection, and that the engineer is now replaced with a computer.

@Eric_Hutton.1980

3 жыл бұрын

@@Boss_Tanaka Captain Van Zanten wasn't so much angry as he was in a hurry. He was suffering from impatience.

@Boss_Tanaka

3 жыл бұрын

@@Eric_Hutton.1980 yes you re right he was impatient but according to the cvr that made him moody

Terrible CRM is why I stopped flying KAL, early '90's. Their trail of crashes in those days told the story well enough and I didn't want to be on the next one. Excellent video(s), thank you.

I was always taught the chain and breaking the chain of events. The Swiss cheese model took me some time to get used to but it really makes sense. Thank you for everything you do Mr. mentor pilot

"THIS IS HOW I ROLL" - not the best T-shirt for this movie...

@Yora21

3 жыл бұрын

Three quarters through the video I was thinking "I dearly hope he paid attention to what shirt he picked".

@57thorns

2 жыл бұрын

Practically every crash involves too much banking, but in this case it was perhaps a bit too tacky.

@meirdaniel7515

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah too much banking not enough lunching. Shouldn't get bogged down by the money.

@Steve-ph7qn

2 жыл бұрын

@@57thorns completely incorrect but I guess you felt smart

@57thorns

2 жыл бұрын

@@Steve-ph7qn Same to you. Except, perhaps, you got your satisfaction from being a stupid smartass while I was just making a bad joke.

I definitely remember you mentioning about this accident in an Angry Mentour episode about a 737 pilot berating the first officer in an ATC recording and how breaking the CRM in such kind of behavior can lead to an accident like this.

@MentourPilot

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I did! Good stuff that you remembered

@dominicMcAfee

3 жыл бұрын

Well recalled! A true fan and such an eagle eye! Nice one!

This accident shows the importance of performing root-cause analysis when fixing defects in any field. The fact that the attitude indicator worked correctly when switching to the alternate INU should have alerted the engineer that the problem is not with the indicator. He should have followed the issue to the INU and fixed it.

@macdjord

5 ай бұрын

It indicated that the problem was not with the indicator itself, yes, but that's not the same as the INU being faulty. Do the two INUs have seperate cable inputs connecting them to the indicator, or do the INU cables join up outside of it? Because if they are separate and the apparently faulty connection was on the INU 1 input, then it was a valid potential root cause. The real failure here was not properly testing the system after the repair. The observed faulty behaviour was a failure to register a roll; there *was* no indicated error when the aircraft was on the ground prior to the fix.

I’ve got friends and family in the village of Great Hallingbury. It crashed in the field behind my friends house - literally a hundred metres away - they were so scared. Their power was knocked out for weeks. Great Hallingbury is a lovely little country village - a different world from Stansted, even though they are only about 0.5 DME from the 04 threshold (05 in those days). I was on the Stansted airport train coming home from London after work. We were stuck on the train midway due to a “major incident”. I’ve walked with my brother and our dogs around the crash site on many occasions. You couldn’t even tell anything unusual happened. RIP.

I worked in the cargo area about 3 years after the incident, apparently the flight engineer wanted to wait and fix the fault with a brand new part (which meant a delay) but the captain refused, and as the video suggests, no one questions the captains decision and proceeded to normal leaving procedures.

I was coming home on my motorcycle up the M11 to the Stanstead junction, when I got there, all was in darkness and the eye witnesses in the traffic queue were really shaken 'biggest explosion I've ever seen' and the like. Filtering my way onto the A120 and fire trucks were desperately trying to find the correct tiny country lanes to get to the scene. A miracle no-one on the ground was killed, could have been so much worse.

@y_fam_goeglyd

3 жыл бұрын

I live in E Anglia and that night I happened to be watching the news as soon as it broke. I remember my first thoughts were "I hope it didn't land on any houses", swiftly followed by "I hope it didn't land on the M11 or 25" (it wasn't initially clear exactly where it had come down and you can get to the 25 in minutes flying directly). It's a tragedy that the 4 died, it was a bloody miracle that it wasn't more.

@yamaha6501982

2 жыл бұрын

Did you stop your ride to look at the mushroom not to be distracted while riding ?

@6robertdavey

2 жыл бұрын

I too was on the M11, in a wagon, and saw the fireball. I rang my mate to check the news (he listened to a different radio station) to try and confirm what I suspected. To this day (and I hope it stays so) it is the nearest I have ever been to an air accident.

@stephenchandler1267

2 жыл бұрын

@@yamaha6501982 Never saw the crash, I was several miles south when it happened, just caught up to the stationary traffic at the Stansted junction..

@vanmanmarc

2 жыл бұрын

At the time I worked for the company that had just loaded it. I was standing on the loading dock of the warehouse loading the freight that had been off loaded onto lorries. I didn't see the impact as I was focused on loading the lorries, when the ground shook and the machine that stores the pallets shut down and the emergency brakes came on. When I looked around the lorry I never saw the fireball, I saw a huge fountain of sparks or embers. Initially myself and the drivers assumed that the petrol garage in the services just past the end of the runway had exploded. Soon word came back as to what had happened. My colleague who was driving the pallet storeing machine left work and went home to see if he still had a wife and house. The plane crashed only a few hundred yards from his house and his wife was supposed to be home, but had been held up in traffic so got home just after the crash. Some items had fallen off shelves, but his wife and house survived. Thankfully it crashed into the woodland behind his house. Another colleague was on his way to start his shift and said that the plane had flown low over his car "and didn't look right".

Your content is always absolutely faultless, tremendously educational, and incredibly interesting. You are a truly natural communicator and teacher.

So interesting to hear this one. I lived about 4 miles away from Stansted Airport all of my childhood up untill I was 29. My family were at home that day and heard the massive crash sound even about 8 miles away, it was a huge boom that shook the whole house. It's so sad to see what actually happened 🙁 at least the pilots wouldn't have felt a thing, that's one small glimmer from such a sad story.

So Blinkist provides a 15-minute summary of a book titled "The things you can see only when you slow down". I love the irony!

@mintyrainbow6994

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I caught that too. ^_^

@qrtrscale

2 жыл бұрын

Ha, hah, the first thing I noticed as well 🤪

@stevencooke6451

2 жыл бұрын

MIndfulness in a hurry.

CRM seems to be a real issue with Korean Airlines over the years there have been a number of such failures and when you stop and think about it, it sheds another light on the whole Nut rage incident that the airline had in 2014

@MentourPilot

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, that’s a good point

I love how you don't interview the widow and add all that emotional stuff. You keep it respectful but mostly informational.

@MentourPilot

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what I’m trying to do

@alisonwilson9749

2 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%. I hate those documentaries that dwell in a deeply unsavoury way on the personal aspects, from which we can learn nothing to stop accidents and save lives in the future, and which in common decency should be left in privacy for those involved. It's either prurience or deflection from the fact that too many documentary makers are too lazy to get down into unearthing, understanding, and explaining the detailed facts.

I would never have imagined that a KZread creator could be so nice, genuine and easy to listen to - while telling us about four people dying in a fireball. Seriously, your channel is excellent and I really enjoy your presentation style. Thanks.

@RENO_K

Жыл бұрын

did you even watch the video? Fym hundreds, it was 4

@brianarbenz1329

Жыл бұрын

@@RENO_K I never was any good at math. Thanks for pointing out my error (It's now fixed.)

This series of "explaining accidents" has become my favorite content on yt. Very well done, sir!

@flagmichael

3 жыл бұрын

I think there are a lot of us who want to know what is going on below the surface.

@mathewkelly9968

3 жыл бұрын

Every "accident" can be summarised with cost cutting

Considering most Aircraft Investigation series have been scrubbed of the internet, these have become my new favorite digestible series. I'd love to hear about TWA 800 and your theories of a potential missile-strike.

@BjorgenEatinger

2 жыл бұрын

I did not know that aircraft investigation series had been scrubbed or cancelled out. I wonder why that would be? Any idea?

@coffeefox5703

2 жыл бұрын

Can you expand on this?

@beeble2003

2 жыл бұрын

@@BjorgenEatinger Presumably the copies on the internet were unauthorized, and the copyright owner has been issuing take-down requests. It's a popular series, so their income would be impacted by having it freely available.

@gusm5128

2 жыл бұрын

Not potential missile , 100 % missile strike . Witnessed by 100’s of people

@mrkipling2201

2 жыл бұрын

The channel called ‘ Wonder ‘ have uploaded them on KZread. I access them with my VPN. As they aren’t available in the UK for some reason. Hope this helps. Although I think this channel does better explanation videos than ACI.

As a passenger, I just want to profess my gratitude for these videos. I love learning the intricacies of this profession and the problem solving that goes on behind the scenes that we never see. These crashes and incident videos actually make me feel safer flying on an aircraft aswell due to some of these circumstances along all the corrective actions that have been taken. Thank you for your time doing these videos, they are appreciated.

Excellent depiction of the accident. Simulation at the end really helped to understand how fast the situation developed and how small amount of time there is for a reaction. It really helps to understand what is behind the training and how fast death/life decisions have to be made.

I really like this new format. Your expert analysis on these tragic accidents is very enlightening

@MentourPilot

3 жыл бұрын

Happy to hear that!

@JustinMacri007

2 жыл бұрын

@@MentourPilot you seem like a cool guy let's be freind's you seem awesome

I just cannot understand why the engineer suppressed his self-preservation instinct by letting things happen that way. He seemed to be the only one who realized whats going on. Screw authority when it is a question of life an death! But I am a german, not a korean. Different cultures. Very different indeed. Thanks for the great video.

@inquisitivenessandcontempl9918

3 жыл бұрын

He didn't have enough time, everything happened within seconds. Besides he probably didn't fully understand what was exactly happening.

@crimsonsnow2469

3 жыл бұрын

😐Yep

@filipinordabest

2 жыл бұрын

In my experience, Germans also had (and in many areas, still have) that culture of unquestionable authority. Must we have to force everyone who refuse to let authority be challenged into a blind cargo plane?

@UranusRising

2 жыл бұрын

Korean culture is very different. It's heavily influenced by neo-Confucianism and is very autocratic where people are defential to authority even in instances where they shouldn't be. I lived there for 4 years and repeatedly experienced scenarios where a Korean couldn't or wouldn't challenge a person in power. As the story progressed I predicted the power dynamic at play that likely played into this incident. I'm not at all surprised.

@carbon1255

2 жыл бұрын

He didn't, but by that point it was already too late even when he first warns about bank.

Thank you very much for "Mentour Pilor" KZread channel! :) As a someone with Korean background (although I have been living in the United States for the most part of my life), I was particularly attracted to the portion of this video lecture covering the "power gradient". One of the major issues that South Koreans must confront in our time: power gradient. Traditionally, the Koreans have been very top-down--i.e., very hierarchical, high power gradient. If you are somewhat familiar with the Korean culture, you might have noticed some of the manifestation of the Koreans' power gradient--e.g., rather steep male-female inequality (although not as extreme as in South Asia and the Middle East) and also rather steep boss-to-subordinate inequality, relative to Europe and North America. Meanwhile, why am I fascinated by airline disasters? 1. Just to be able to operate an aircraft, as well as to make it to accomplish whatever task it and its crews are intended, they requires both human-and-technology and human-and-human interactions. I interpret this set of requirements as a microcosm of the very reality all of us are facing. 2. Cascading failures: I have noticed that, whether it be an airline or something even more catastrophic, if it experiences cascading failures, then: "We're going down"; "I know"; ...(End of flight voice recording. Period.) Airline disasters seem to provide the most vivid and immediate real-life examples of cascading failures.

Another excellent presentation. QUESTION: whenever I have been a passenger on an aircraft I have always been able to physically feel when it was banking. Furthermore just looking out of the window even at night gives you a different horizon perspective. I don't understood how an experienced captain could not tell that the aeroplane was indeed banking, and continued to put in more bank. Am I missing something?

@patrikfloding7985

2 жыл бұрын

You can't actually tell your banking angle if you have a turn at the same time, as when it's properly executed the resulting G force vector (natural gravity + centripetal force from the turn) will be straight down your middle. What you do feel is the initiation as a slight acceleration in the roll plane. But with turbulence, like they had, this can easily be masked. You must have visual queues, or functioning instruments, to know what's going on.

@lorenz88clubbr

2 жыл бұрын

Same thoughts!! It's hard to understand how, with just 1 faulty instrument out of 3 and 3 pilots in the cockpit, this accident has happened!!! As a passenger i perceive very well any moderate roll of the airplane!

@tanya5322

2 жыл бұрын

@@lorenz88clubbr you have to remember that our perception, as passengers, of what the plane is doing comes from a position in the rear of the plane looking out the side windows only, whereas the pilots are up near the nose looking primarily towards the front. As passengers, our role is passive, pilots on the other hand are multitasking, especially during takeoff and landing. I do not have extensive flight experience, but I know my perception of what’s happening when I’m a passenger in a more forward seat is different from when I’m a passenger more towards the rear. Much like when we drove our van from the Midwest to the East Coast with our four children to visit my sister and her family, and my husband and I took turns rotating to the back seat so that the children could rotate seat partners and the older two had chances to ride up front and observe as they were approaching driving age. My perception of my husband’s driving was was different while riding in the back row compared to riding in the front passenger seat.

@patmore

Жыл бұрын

Unlike what the simulation shows, the plane was in cloud so there was no visual reference.

@johnnunn8688

Жыл бұрын

Yes, you are missing the fact that they were in cloud. You can only feel the bank, if you are looking out into clear sky and then your brain tells you, you can feel the bank.

Captain, this really is one of the better accident explanations I’ve seen and heard. Great walk-through and animations for the novice like me to comprehend! 👌🏻

Awesome accident breakdown. Hope these precise, honest analyses bring public awareness to new generations. You're a real treasure, Mentour!

@MentourPilot

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words. Glad you find them interesting!

i never thought i'd be interested in aviation this much so big compliments on sucking me into binging your professional and educational reports I never realized how damn important a good team spirit is among the pilots and crew in a critical moment like this, as a former firefighter i can see many similarities with that job but almost never this extreme in such a short timeframe.

I could tell by your tone in the video that this meant something to you, not only because you are always very passionate about CRM... Thanks for sharing, this was actually a pretty dramatic episode!

Your work is excellent, not made overly dramatic, just factual and very informative

So well researched and beautifully presented. You know what I love the most? The in-game in-cockpit visuals. And overall visuals. I don't know how long your videos take to make but they are of superb quality, really amazing work!

I had a flying lesson (2 seater) for my 60th, which was fantastic! The pilot told me to close my eyes as he took over and asked what I could feel, nothing I said, open your eyes, we were flying at 90° and I felt nothing! It helps me understand more watching your fantastic videos and how the airline industry acts on failures. Pity about other industries...... Also, full simulation print at bottom of screen hard to read. Thank you for sharing your precious knowledge!

You've mentioned this so often, the importance of cooperation, respect and open communication. You've repeatedly given credit to cabin crew for their handling of emergencies; and I think this applies to many situations in life, if people work together, if people can speak up and feel valued, results will be better. You're teaching valuable life lessons, thank you.

“If we don’t work together, we will definitely DIE together”.

As a passenger I've been in a plane that banked so hard before landing and then corrected itself that I could swear the right wing was a foot and a half from a wingstrike, and then I've seen a private jet fly within 100-200 feet of our plane as they pass right behind us. Those are the two near accidents I've seen first hand. Fortunately they never amounted to anything.

You presumably have a team working on these vids - as well as your excellent presentation, the graphics are really clear, the editing very smooth (with the charming exception of your magic dog appearing and disappearing!). I'm fascinated by these stories - greatly admiring air crews' skills and courage, and horrified by the human losses. Thank you.

I cannot express how much I love the way you break these down. Thank you for including all the information necessary to understand what actually happened in these events.

I was a ground engineer for many years. It is a standard procedure to replace the ADI if the failure report just contain the information that the ADI doesn't work. On ground all one can do is replacing the ADI and perform the self test. So I see no misbehaviour of the technician replacing the ADI. My dad, far over 30.000 flight hours on all kind of planes (from Bf 109 to DC8) would turn in his grave seeing what the crew did. A captain unable to do a proper instrument flight, not responding to warning sounds and lights and a first officer so intimidated that he prefers to die instead of taking action. Horrible! Thank god that this crew did only fly cargo! Brilliant video, thanks for sharing. Regards from Austria, Steve

...it kind of amuses me that simulating airline incidents in MS Flight Simulator was my day job about 20 years ago.

So in depth and understandable. What interest me in these videos is not the tragic or any morbid curiosity, it’s the step by step detective breakdown of events

No matter who you are or how much money you have. Treating people with respect and kindness is the way to go. It builds personality and helps with communication with others

I'm really enjoying this new series. Very well done. The Chapter format works exceptionally well, and the detailed "inside baseball" perspective as an ATP pilot is wonderfully informative.

United 232 was and is an excellent example of CRM at its finest, unlike what you had here. No disrespect for the deceased crew. May they rest in peace.

@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043

3 жыл бұрын

“I don’t drink, but I’ll damn sure have (a beer) with you when this is over” -Captain Al Haynes. RIP

@tensevo

2 жыл бұрын

..Let's remember, poor CRM did not cause this accident. it might have helped to save them, but was not the cause. Having instruments fail with zero visibility is no walk in the park. It's literally a death sentence that you may or may not recover from.

Your channel is fantastic. Perfect combination of entertainment and information.

The Aircraft Accident Investigation series you do is absolutely addicting to watch. Explanations, opinions, facts. I appreciate every bit of the way you format these stories.

I see a lot of parallels with the incident of Alitalia AZ404 that happened here in Zurich about 30 years ago. One faulty instrument (glide slope) on the PIC side and poor CRM lead to the aircraft to undershoot the ILS path and crash into a mountain. On that instance the co-pilot even initiated a go-around that was interrupted by the pilot...

@tlangdon12

9 ай бұрын

Again, this is where the company culture has to step up - the captain needs to know that they are going to have a difficult conversation with their boss if they don't do around when the FO calls for it (assuming that there is no justifiable reason that a landing must be made from that approach).

The new intro gave me 'Seconds from Disaster' vibes :P (Anyone remember that show from the history channel?) Awesome job on these videos!

@tomstravels520

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. Only saw the first 3 seasons as didn’t realise they did another 2-3 a few years later

My biggest impression is how quickly it all happened when watching the simulation at the end. They really only had seconds to react (or not) to events as they unfolded.

@andyk2181

Жыл бұрын

When I was learning about video replays in criminal cases we were taught that sometimes the prosecution would play the video in slow motion so that it was "easier" for the jury to see what happened, but it has the effect of making people's actions seem more intentional and thus increases the chances of a guilty conviction. When you see it in real-time it really does change your perspective.

Excellent video! Very educational flight accident analysis! As a senior Korean, I understand the attitude of the first officer. On those authoritative old Korean days, the young, obedient subordinator is hard to speak up against frustrated senior captain. So even if he felt something is going wrong, he feared to speak up to senior and remained silent. Classic case of Korean workplace disaster and wrong CRM. Every Korean pilots and workers in general should watch this video.

@user-bz5ys2du6r

2 жыл бұрын

If you don't keep your subordinates in place, they will start disrespecting you.

@cupofjoen

Жыл бұрын

@@user-bz5ys2du6r yeah, that's the problem with most Asian culture not just Korean.

@wanr5701

Жыл бұрын

@@user-bz5ys2du6r disrespecting seniors due to their wrongful behavior and conduct is always justified, anytime anywhere. Respect should be earned and it work both ways. When you do the right thing, respect from your subordinates will be taken care by itself without the need to put them in place. When you had to resort to authority to keep your subordinate in place, it means you have huge problems with yourself.

As technician fixing relatively complicated machines i have this so often...: Y ou search for ages for the reason for a problem. And then you find it! Everything fits! it makes perfect logical sense that THAT issue would have cause THAT problem! Definitely it!!! And maybe you know it has before! So happily you fix the issue. And you start the machine.... and you have the same problem. It's the exception not the rule, ususally you're right, especially with experience. But it DOES happen to everybody and i stopped many years ago to be fooled or to assume anything. And waste time and maybe don't call help, checking other things, while i'm busy because i'm so fixed on one trail. But even so, if i'm wrong, we lose a bit of productivity, nothing more. Which is the end of the world for some office person but nobody else is hurt. I also leave a note for the next shift, that it happened. So if it's only temporarily fixed, they know i did THIS already and don't waste time trying the same. And maybe test the machine before it's used....

@darkwinter6028

3 жыл бұрын

I’m an independent software engineer; and rather a while ago I installed a little script into one of my projects that increments a counter every time I build & run the program (for those not versed in the details of software development, the basic cycle that you go through is edit, build, run, crash, take a guess from the crash report the machine spits out at you, and go back to the editing step). Last I looked, I’m well over ten thousand on that counter... and a lot of those are from precisely what you describe: I thought the previous edit should have fixed the issue (which is why I hit the build-and-run button in the first place)... but, nope, it didn’t. 😐

@tilly6085

3 жыл бұрын

It happens very similarly in the medical field, as well. You are certain you know what the problem is and get fixated on solving it your way, even when what you are doing clearly isn't working. It's crucial to stop to re-evaluate from time to time and call for help early, before the situations deteriorates too far.

@hatman4818

3 жыл бұрын

I had to change a main engine control 4 times on the same jet engine in a row, with slightly different problems related to the MEC each time. Each time, we troubleshot thoroughly only to find it should be the MEC that's the issue again. We started questioning ourselves, questioning our troubleshooting, and questioning our abilities. Our bosses started doing the same. Felt horrible, and we hated doing the same big job over and over again. The only thing we could come up with was that we kept getting bad MECs out of supply. It was not unheard of, we'd had to do several MEC changes multiple times in the past for that reason. But our 5th MEC? Unheard of. Finally, to avoid turning the plane into a hanger queen for being grounded so long while we troubleshot, and after deep unusual troubleshooting with engineer recommendations, they finally decided to just pull the trigger on a whole engine change. By then, we'd spent way more effort on MEC changes than a single engine change wouldve taken. The engine was impounded for investigation took a year, with every engineer in CFM and Boeing curious about the results. Nobody believed us that it could be 5 bad MECs in a row. After a year of investigation... It was determined to be 5 bad MECs in a row (or at least most of them were bad. The ones we turned in got investigated too. Pretty sure the MEC depot finally got fucked for it). Furthermore, and even worse, they found a piece of safety wire deep in the engine that was left behind during a depot rebuild had magnetized the wheel for the N1 speed sensor. Even if we'd had a good MEC, the engine would have always had power/throttle problems till it could be torn down. We felt vindicated. There was no way to test for this issue on a flightline, let alone fix it. It always would have needed an engine change.

@volltesdalTV

3 жыл бұрын

Can completely relate to this. I work in maintenance in a completely different field (where thankfully no lives are at stake, only time and money). A lot of the time I'm out in the "field" and have to deal with problems while only having a very limited set of spare parts with me. Once I'm past the "it's most likely this part so let's just swap if first and see" stage, diagnosing stuff can be a pain. For most workaround or diagnosing steps, I have to account for and expect that the "new" part I'm trying might also be defective because I'm trying parts and cables from in-production equipment and not actually new parts.

@alisonwilson9749

2 жыл бұрын

@@tilly6085 Absolutely. A vet was faced with a lame horse I knew. They x-rayed the lame leg going down from the top until they found a hairline crack in a bone, then stopped and gave directions for support, rest, etc to treat that crack. When the horse didn't improve as expected, the owner called in another vet, who came out and they x-rayed the leg beyond the crack the first vet had found, right down to the hoof. I bet you can see where this is going already.... yep, there was another, worse crack. Thankfully the second (rather more competent) vet's treatment did the trick and the horse recovered.

Man, that video editing, I have no words. It's so freaking awesome.

@dominicMcAfee

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed! The editing is good right?

Sir, your delivery and depth of comprehension is brilliant. The company employing you is blessed to have you.

Great Video and brings out all the lessons. Trying to get inputs from the previous operating crew is always helpful.

These videos are excellent. Much better than any of the discovery / nat geo documentaries. Thanks, please keep them coming 👍

I've never been in an airplane because I'm too afraid of them. There is a morbid part of me that looks up airplane crashes on KZread out of sheer fascination, so at some point, I found your "accident explanation" videos, and I'm so glad I did. My phobia aside, your explanations are not only technically informative, but super interesting. I've gone from being someone who was only looking to see scary footage to someone who is now deeply interested in learning about the reasons for such accidents. In my opinion, there's no better channel when it comes to details and insight. Somehow I'm less afraid of flying now that I've listened to you. Thanks for all that you do.

@mikedineen7857

2 жыл бұрын

You are missing out. I hope you overcome this fearj

@ReachForTheSky

2 жыл бұрын

Cars, statistically, are far, fare more dangerous than planes. I know that might not do much for you, but it helps to put things in perspective

@lardosian

2 жыл бұрын

They very rarely crash, why not try overcome your fear..

@beeble2003

2 жыл бұрын

It is very possible to overcome your fear of flying, if it's holding you back from things that you want to do in life, such as preventing you from visiting certain places or people. Counselling is available and I believe some airlines even run charter flights for people who are afraid of flying, to allow them the experience of flying without the pressure of "If I don't get on this plane, my expensive holiday is cancelled." Of course, if it's not causing you any harm, there's no need to do anything.

@mrkipling2201

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t like flying myself but thankfully I wasn’t that scared that I wouldn’t get on a plane. I hope you overcome your fears. If for no other reason than the sense of achievement. The sense of ‘ I’ve beaten this fear, I’m stronger than I thought ‘. Good luck with it. 👍👍

I love this channel. Not a pilot and not employed in the aviation industry but find it absolutely intriguing and you do an excellent job of explaining everything in a way that's interesting and entertaining.

This channel is better than the Smithsonian shows that I love, because we also get to geek out on the aviation side of things and get the direct perspective of an airline pilot.

I have just visited the crash site around two weeks back. I work for korean air cargo at heathrow and some of my colleagues were actually involved in helping the investigators out back in 1999 including voice recorder translations. Some debris can still be found in the surrounding swamps. A very gloomy experience. Thanks for putting in this much effort to cover this accident.

Well if there was ever a perfect recipe for an accident this one must be it. Improper maintenance procedure, improper logging and log trace procedures and a FO & flight engineer who quite clearly felt they could not question what the captain was doing even though both must have realised the bank was getting out of control. Another excellent production Captain Petter, you are now my favourite accident investigation explainer. There is one I'd love you to look into for me, but I will have to look up dates, airline, etc. Have a good weekend, stay safe

@robertlonsdale3826

2 жыл бұрын

but if the first officer and engineer realised the plane was banking so severely why not the captain ? perhaps he was suicidal?

I just cant believe how amazing you really are at these videos. To me, no one explains these accidents with as much heart and humanity as you do. I have no doubt you are an amazing pilot as well as check Airman and instructor. As a 25 year veteran FA , I wish I had the oppty to fly with you. Thank you so much!

I've watch a few of your videos now and only in recent weeks have I come across them. They're VERY addictive. You're a great guy. You convey great insight and realisations in the telling of these accidents. The tragedies are tough for all involved. I know that look and meaning you express in the poignant part in the retelling of the loss. Thank you and all the best.

The Guam crash was highlighted in Malcolm Gladwell's book "Outliers". Specifically Chapter 7: "The Ethnic Theory of Plane Crashes". The other chapters are great too, BTW.

@frutdafruit

2 жыл бұрын

This wasn't the Guam crash

@frutdafruit

2 жыл бұрын

Wasn't the Guam crash Flight 801?

The simulation at the end was very interesting...in fact I noticed that from the captain's point of view, it's very easy to get so focused on the faulty instrument without even looking at other sources of information. This guy was so sure he knew what he was doing that he didn't listen to anyone else and was totally zoned in on what he was doing.

Maybe I'm missing something about this accident. How can the captain, an experienced pilot, ignore his instruments and fly his plane in to the ground? As soon as he noticed his ADI was not indicating the bank he was inputting into the controls why would he not immediately check one of the other ADI and see the plane was in fact in a bank? Would seem that if your instruments don't indicate what you expect first step would be check your backup instruments. Also, even though this flight was at night why couldn't the captain see out the window they were in fact in a bank? Visibility was good, right? The lights of the city should have been visible.

@shadowprince4482

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. How you could do a 90 degree bank and not notice is beyond me. It'd be like if I was in my car and the speedometer got stuck at 30 mph. I doubt that I'd red line at 120 and not think it was broke.

@gnsgml11

2 жыл бұрын

Recently got my CPL. At night when you are climbing out you can't really see the outside because of the pitch. All the lights you see during take off disappears. He should have been able to see it during the bank though but I don't know if he was flying towards or away from the city. Probably just got fixated too much on his instruments because of the warning noise. This is straight after take off so a lot of things could be going through his head at this point. But I do agree on why he didn't check his back up instruments because that's why they are there.

@michaelkobylko2969

Жыл бұрын

London Stansted airport is in a rural location well away from the London conurbation. Most of what he could see of the ground was probably dark. It's not like Heathrow or City - Stansted is surrounded by fields, small towns and villages.

@anadubar4819

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelkobylko2969 Yeah, but if you have a lot of experience with a vehicle, don't you get a feeling for it ? Professional drivers, as I was, rely on their "popometer". That is, their body becomes one with the vehicle. They know exactly whether the engine is fine or not, because they can feel the vibrations in their bum. They know instinctively how to turn, accelerate or break, they do not need to look at their speedometer to know if they are too fast. If the car "banks" they know it immediately.

Excellent in depth analysis of this accident. Your attention to detail and ability to convey this in a manor covering all aspects from aircraft performance to cockpit environment is as good as it gets. Whether you are a seasoned pilot or someone with zero PIC time you make it easy to understand and grasp all the factors at play. Thank You.

Hi Mentour. Nobody does these videos as well as you. Thank you so much for this and all your other absolutely fantastic content.

It is evident about the effort put into this video Thank you sir and keep up the good work!

@MentourPilot

3 жыл бұрын

We are trying! Glad you think it shows.

The clear, concise and impartial explanations of complex situations and concepts is exceptional. I really like the slightly informal conversational style it is very engaging to listen to and, with my level of understanding the attention to detail is spot on. I was a subscriber before the end of the first episode. Great work thank you.

So glad I came across your channel....keep up the good work!

I'm loving these new style of videos. They're so professionally done

The production value of these accident review videos is excellent. The graphics aren’t just eye candy, they make the material more engaging and provide a solid “2nd dimension” if you will, to go along with your narration. I also very much appreciate hearing your perspective as a pilot and CRM advocate on these events. Human factors and human interface design are deeply fascinating subject areas, still too often treated in aircraft design as one-to-one replaceable with tech/automation, without fully assessing there are still humans interacting with these systems. Maybe time for us to start thinking about CRM as not just between human pilots, but designing a/c, training pilots, and treating the automation as if it were a third decision-making crew member on the flight deck.

I work at Stansted and dealt with the cargo paperwork for this flight. I was just leaving the office to go home when the crash happened and I can certainly attest to the explosion forming a mushroom cloud. 300ft high! The impact was so heavy it shook the whole airport including the terminal building where police officers were concerned a bomb had detonated . One aspect not covered was the additional problem of poor visibility. Aswell as being dark, there would've been no visual light references on the ground as the cloudbase was around 900ft in light rain. By the time the aircraft had accelerated at speed down from around its max achieved altitude of 2700ft and broken cloud its fate was already decided. All quite shocking on my doorstep!

Your production quality is amazingly good!

Finally a comprehensive representation and analysis of an aircraft accident investigation. I especially appreciate the technical explanation of the various aircraft instruments, their purpose and mechanical function.

@MentourPilot

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it interesting. We are currently working on many more episodes in this series. I hope you have checked out the other ones as well.

OMG - intro - so smooth! Whoever does post production - it was very good choice.

As a seasoned passenger, but not aviator, I follow many of the aircraft accident TouTube channels, primarily because of the extensive investigation and analysis of causes of such accidents. Your channel is far and above all others because of your experience and analysis of causation and the investigations themselves. Your close attention to human factors, including but not limited CRM issues,

Thank you Petter for another excellent and well researched video. You made some very good points about seniority and deference. The captain has to always be in command but also has to listen to his colleagues and mentor them, not berate them. Wishing you all the best from Sydney Australia 🇦🇺