Sooo.. Can you tell which is which??

@lostreverb9806

2 жыл бұрын

And who is who

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

Kirchhoff & AA titanium, and then kirchhoff & AA Ruby

@lostreverb9806

2 жыл бұрын

watched this at 2am even though I don’t own any analog emulation plug-ins. amazing and spot on content as always 💯✅

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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@electricwhiterabbit

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't hear a difference.

I think that my response video would have just been 5 minutes of me sticking rods up to the complainers. Seriously though I think that by making this second video, in conjunction with the first, you've covered some incredibly useful information. I think for anyone paying proper attention it's blown the lid well and truly off the plugin world. Thanks for all you do, my even further up north than me, friend.

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

It did take me a long time to do all of this but I'm soooo glad I can finally walk away from this topic haha 😅

@Toymortal

2 жыл бұрын

@@PaulThird The hard work shows and is much appreciated by this guy😊. I did see the community post the other day and felt your frustration, but I think that by responding in this way you've actually done way more than may be initially obvious. I genuinely think that these last two videos have probably been the most valuable videos made about plugins to date, by anyone. I think that with the help of the Kirchhoff, you've blown the lid off of the whole plugin modelling scene. Maybe no-one else is going to get where I'm coming from with this particular comment, but I'm pretty sure I'm right! I think I'll probably keep my explanation as to why under my hat for now. Got to have some commercial secrets 😂

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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after exploring the confusing world of bits and samples, and the ones we are given the tools to work with and in-between, you really find the value of your work

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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Thanks for all that time, thoughts and enthusiasm you put in your videos. There are only a few that dive this deep into this topic on KZread. I benefit from your tests and the conclusions in my discussion with people who still think that you can't reproduce analog sound in the digital domain.

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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great video Paul.. thanks again

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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Thanks! Not only cool from nerdy perspective, but also very informative. p.s. In both cases i liked eq #1 more. more sense of space or something.

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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just proves to me i want both hardware and software. My collection starts this year

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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you are a legend

@PaulThird

Жыл бұрын

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The Dynacsster DEFO sounds much better man! Great video too. Educational as always. I think you should do a video explaining linear, minimum or analog phase!

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm happier with the results more every week with the dynacaster. In terms of the phase thing.. Maybe.. But it's whether I can be arsed learning more about it haha

Keep them coming son, keep them coming. ;-)

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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The information your giving in this video is fantastic, I don't think some of the viewers here are seeing/hearing what your actually doing, thank you. You should have made the title more appropriate however for your more intuitive spectrum of appreciative viewers, but in the world with their appropriated "algorithm" I do not judge you for that :D

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I had to choose the title wisely as if I make it too scientific people never click haha

@highsocietymedia4098

2 жыл бұрын

@@PaulThird in my eyes the people who do actually pick up on what your doing/intending to do, should be receiving it well and you assist validating mine/our confusion about a lot of things in this digital realm. Im always looking forward to your we'll rounded and scientifically motivated research.

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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I couldn't hear a difference but at 60 my hearing is -3dB at 12.5k and gone by 13k. I loved the geek out though.

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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Hoping #1 is the ruby, it’s sounds more lively. 🤞🏻

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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I prefer #1 in both examples.

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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Love the work you put into these videos man! Wanted to ask a question, would you recommend Slate's subscription? Or rather than doing that, should I get all the best plugins thats emulating what they're emulating? (Low cpu so wouldn't look for convolution plugins in that case) Thanks for the knowledge!

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

I had the slate subscription, ended up never using it then cancelled it. Never found anything special in their stuff. Its not difficult to find really good neve, ssl, API & telefunken emulations

@Unknown-yz6md

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the quick answer man!

Super cool clarification, right to the point😀 Also, despite of all tests, isn't true that in the real world a song goes to the charts mostly because how it was mixed and produced, rather than because of what gear was used along with its inherent flaws (digital or analog) ? For sure, everyone involved in music industry knows lots of examples.

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

Always about getting it right at the source first and then combining that with the experienced ear of the engineer. I'd argue microphone choice is the most important gear decision of all as there's no going back after the performance has been captured.

Well done Brave Heart!!

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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@marteenmusic6002

2 жыл бұрын

The truth Hertz but it shall set you free! I really appreciate your in depth analysis of all this technology we're dealing with to make good music these days. It helps to understand what's under the hood so to speak, so we can differentiate hype from real. Forget the Nay sayers, they will always wallow in the mud of mediocrity but you Sir are indeed a Brave and Noble Heart!!

listened on Beyerdynamic DT1990 I preferred audio example 2 in both comparisons for sounding a touch more intact.

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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long live paul third

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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2nd sounds best

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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I thought I preferred the Kirchhoff to the Bettermaker.. I won't argue I can pick it out, because obviously I could read which is which. But on the first listenthrough that was my experience. Fuck do I know which one is which in the blind comparisons. I can tell you that I preferred audio 1 on the first comparison and audio 2 on the second.

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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The dog’s name of a friend is Ruby! 😂

do you like the Kirkhoff? soundwise...just asking ...is a great tool

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. Been using it all the time recently. Became my go to eq alongside sonible smart eq & split eq

Top one was Ruby, bottom one was Kirchoff

I’m curious what you would think of the new Pulsar Massive 😘

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

Many people have asked to the point where I'm considering compiling all the comments and puting it out on twitter so they Re-consider paying me for a video shootout. They asked me if I would make a video upon release but as soon as I mentioned payment they told me they'd used up their marketing budget. I then thought about it for a week and thought nah no what I'll still get half decent views if it's on release day so said just send me it and I'll compare it vs magenta and uad.. F*cking ghosted me did they 😂 So unless they pay me to do one I'm not interested unfortunately

@callehellstrom

2 жыл бұрын

@@PaulThird Like the boss you are 👑✌️

The first blind test I would say titanium would be audio 2 - sounds crazy because your null test showed pretty well full cancellation of low frequency but somehow - the low end felt more prominent and full but that could be a result of the phasing in the high end simply changing the balance a bit - I’m listening in my iPhone through cheap Sony earbuds though so fidelity is… questionable 🤨 The second blind test - couldn’t hear a difference

@happilyevermusic

2 жыл бұрын

Just realized how massively late to the party I am 🤦🏽

paul, what if it want them to sound digital? what if I think it is superior to analog? hmmm. j.

@PaulThird

Жыл бұрын

Digital is superior to analog in so many ways. Just is what it is. I don't think about it that way. I just see them all as viable tools to use to change an audio signal a certain way

@djrbfmbfm-woa

Жыл бұрын

@@PaulThird hi my scottish friend. thx for replying. i started with music back in the 1960s as a teen. got into some good bands and as a guitarist I was rated number 1. as far as recording goes, I was recorded on 4 trk scully's. festival records, sydney, Australia. I'm of Scottish decent. we bounced and sub mixed a lot just like the Beatles. then it changed to 16-24 trks in the 70s. then into the hybrid 80s - 90s. the point I'm making is - none of that mattered if one's playing or songs sucked. from then on I've owned my own studios. now I've got 256 trks ........and I can do digital trickery until William Wallace rises from the grave. all of it doesn't matter if what you do stinks. luckily mine doesn't. i continually do tests with ppl I know who aren't remotely musically talented. doesn't matter, they, as well, can tell if it sucks or nay. they don't know why though. as research I watch channels like yours on YT. i don't understand why there are so many all basically saying the same things? how many times can one instruct others on how to use an equalizer? or compressor? most of YT is people selling stuff.....either themselves or some product. in the end, does any of this matter to the lay person? i think not. they just want diversion from the hum-drum of daily existence, and these days, anything will do. cheers. j.

#1 sounds better to me (more lively, #2 feels "flat"), which one is it - I've no clue, but I hope it's Kirchhoff as I own it already, and can't get AA plugins to work on my computer at all Perhaps if I was listening on proper speakers, instead of my laptop, I could make a better guess which is which

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

I won't say just yet... I'll give it a little while but if you really really want to know you can DM me on Instagram

@jgfjfgjfhjf

2 жыл бұрын

@@PaulThird I don't have instagram ;ddd Thanks for the offer tho

may I also ask how your receiving your audio? via stereo/mono?

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

How do you mean exactly?

@highsocietymedia4098

2 жыл бұрын

​@@PaulThird I guess the question I need to ask you is more difficult than I had anticipated. Do you reference primarily in stereo to dictate your true sound or rely on your mono perspective? (really this question requires a well rounded conversation to fully convey the complete message/question) Ive found it advantageous the reverse, by referencing my mono to stereo I feel I resolve a lot of the typical mid range issues that come with digital processing, as well as the capability to hear more precisely as to if a plugin I've added to the chain is actually really doing something or not.. Ive re assessed the plugins I use specifically because of my mono reference as of late. I figured with your work you may have come across the same thing I have?Would you recommend going back to the mono signal to dictate your mix and reference stereo? Id love to hear your perspective sir. My apologies for the essay

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

I mainly listen in stereo as I make decisions dependent on what I'm listening to. If it's a kick snare bass or vocal in solo then it'll be mono but I always make decisions within the context of the mix so it's always stereo. I'll sometimes switch to mono if I'm unsure with vocal level on a mix but that's about it

Me using Fabfilter Volcano 3 😎

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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Pretty close indeed

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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The guitars definitely had more definition in #1 (titanium Vs Kirchhoff)

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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@ostrol1590

2 жыл бұрын

@@PaulThird killing us with the suspense :D

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

I'll leave it for a bit as I'm interested in gathering an average haha

Like!

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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This was largely over my head 😢

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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What software do you use to analyse these plugins?

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

Plugin doctor and span

@themattprofessor

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that, I hadn’t come across this plugin. By the way did you test out waves Scheps Omni channel compressors, both the fet and opto have the low frequency hum, but no means of switching off, also no oversampling used as far as I can tell. Which if you use the saturator and the opto comp, theoretically could be noticeable if using lots of instances on a big session. It just seems to me that everybody is chasing the “analogue” sound of all this old gear, but unless you use an entirely analogue chain, or literally just use the daw as a level mixer, it will never be the same. Automatic Massive oversampling on bounce downs, with variable settings for listening, seems to me the way forward, of course metaplugin can up sample all the less than ideal plugin implementations. All very clunky at the moment!

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

I've never looked at it tbh. I may do later on but got to be careful who I go picking fights with. Waves I have no issue with but the big pro's I've gotta be careful with haha

@themattprofessor

2 жыл бұрын

I brought it up, of course they clam up, rather than address the issue, the odd thing is that you can switch this low frequency off on their 1176 and la2a, no consistency. I think full channel strips really do need to be oversampled (like plugin alliance ones etc). Having started in the analogue world, it’s great to not have the hiss and hum, so makes no sense to not have it switchable. If you want authentic to sound as if it was recorded and mixed in the 60’s and 70’s you can. The right tools for each job are what’s needed, whether stock plugins, expensive emulations or new coding. At the end of the day it’s the decisions made by ears that make the most difference, far too much snake oil…

@themattprofessor

2 жыл бұрын

I actually like omni channel, just came across this when preparing some mixes, and found this low frequency stuff, on instruments where there was nothing below 100hz, and then ran some checks, so plugin was generating it, but only when an audio file was present, so if you had regions the low frequency drops out when a region ends, not what would happen with a hardware unit I would expect?

aliasing is the most problem, that why all 80th music sounds so cold

You deserve so much more attention fella 🤜🤛 Your videos so much better as the videos from that girl from white sea studio testing plugins for the first time and make videos about that What a loser 🙈

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@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

Remember to check out my autism channel if you want to learn more about my life 🤓🤓

1 sounds better to me in both examples

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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Number one was saturated

1 in both test sounds better to me.... Maybe... lol

@PaulThird

Жыл бұрын

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#1 sounded a bit more clear. Not a big difference tho.

@PaulThird

2 жыл бұрын

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Please. It's about music, NOT matching data coming in from the James Webb telescope. Who cares if you can't match the phase response perfectly at 17 parsecs ? If these people worried more about their music than the matching of data points, we'd ALL be better off. Best regards, Bill P.

@PaulThird

Жыл бұрын

It's still factual science though. I've made videos talking about what's important and what's not important but there are many people who make wild claims about subjective quality and how important analog is to sound pro bla bla bla Yes its not important but it's still good to put factual science against misleading and false claims

@RocknRollkat

Жыл бұрын

@@PaulThird You bet ! Separating facts from 'claims' is always a good idea. Exactly matching phase response proves a scientific point but musically ? Not so much. Digital will never be analogue, and vice versa, for reasons that would take a while to explain. Who cares ? Just enjoy the music. Best regards from New Yawk city, Bill P. 😃