I wish I knew Ash's secret to catching Tauros

@rooislangwtf

Жыл бұрын

Obviously it's rng manipulation

@Father_Bohawk

Жыл бұрын

That secret is the REAL reason the episode was banned!

@PulseEffects

Жыл бұрын

@@rooislangwtf I can't believe Ash would cheat like that

@rooislangwtf

Жыл бұрын

@@PulseEffects he's the same guy that used a sprinkler system in a rock gym to win, I wouldn't put anything past him tbh

@LocalMaple

Жыл бұрын

He used the “fly to cinnabar” trick.

Sadly all the runs that have been done for this catagory are invalid, because none of them saw Ho-Oh on Route 1

@Shadow-64686

Жыл бұрын

True.

@Kev.in1997

Жыл бұрын

Shiny ho oh that is

@d007ization

Жыл бұрын

That's freaking evil of you, someguy

@XPlayzzGamz

Жыл бұрын

Ash knows people will want to be him so he made sure that nobody can be him

@alexdiaz1425

Жыл бұрын

Even if you saw Ho-Oh, you would need Brock to catch one of the 30 Tauros Ash caught.

Fun fact, if your Pikachu isn't happy enough by the time you get to Bulbasaur, you can use potions at full health on Pikachu which will trick the game into increasing happiness.

@Krixwell

11 ай бұрын

Medicine applied unnecessarily and excessively in search of "happiness"... concerning.

@stellarsub-orbital9922

11 ай бұрын

@@Krixwell proof that Game Freak associates happiness with drugs.

@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961

11 ай бұрын

Force your friend into a trip to bond

@scorcher117

11 ай бұрын

@@stellarsub-orbital9922 Although any herbal medicine lowers happiness.

@greenkitty1

11 ай бұрын

Benadryl challenge

I love how someone must have pointed out that Ash *technically* caught only 29 Tauros when first thinking of this category. Every Tauros adds so much time it must have been a relief to remove one of them.

@paperluigi6132

10 ай бұрын

Speaking of, the last time I remember Ash using Tauros in battle was in the Orange Cup championship match. Did Ash ever use a Tauros in battle again after that?

@dukemon6163

10 ай бұрын

@@paperluigi6132 In a tournament in Johto in the episode Jessie traded Lickytung for Wobbuffet, against Gary in the Johto League and against Anabel in the Battle Tower.

@ryanergo754

7 ай бұрын

​@@dukemon6163That's some memory.

As someone who always loves the Awful Games Done Quick block, the thing that this run made me realize I wanted is an "Awesome Games Done Awful" event, where players take some of the best, most famous speedgames and run the most painful categories. We could have this, and Twilight Princess low%, and Hollow Knight low%, and SMO minimum captures, and multiple runs could be going on at once so when one runner is doing a rupee slide you could watch another catching Tauros. It would be amazing, and Awful, but also amazing.

@CommanderWiggins

Жыл бұрын

I love this idea so much. The mental image alone of Link staring at a rupee on one screen while a runner has been catching Tauros for 2 hours on the other screen and chat is going "GIVE IT UP FOR TAUROS 15 LETS GOOOOO" brings me so much joy.

@jordanbrown3660

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately would take too much time up at a regular AGDQ event. But perhaps it could be done as its own event, I would love to see that.

@werisekk3

Жыл бұрын

Hollow Knight low%... sweet jesus have mercy.

@xelac1334

Жыл бұрын

Twilight Princess low%, if I remember right, takes over 24 hours with at least 17 of those hours spent staring at rupees, so it would be incredibly long and boring. However, I've always liked the idea of trying to make it work by having other runs going on at the same time. During those hours-long sections where the runner is doing nothing, another runner could speedrun a different, shorter game whose run should finish by the time the Twilight Princess run needs to pick up again. Maybe while the other game is going on, the footage of the Twilight Princess run could still be playing in the corner, so the audience could check up on Link as he slowly phases through a wall while staring at a rupee. I don't know, I think that would be fun and hey, speedrun marathons like AGDQ tend to stream 24/7 for multiple days in a row anyway.

@qazzaqstan

Жыл бұрын

@@werisekk3 Depends, true ending low% (which I assume was the one meant) yeah I agree. Regular low percent, weird but not much longer than an any% speed run though I imagine much much harder (I have not done either or practiced my mechanics enough to even come close).

The run should include encountering pidgey, throwing a poke ball and having it pop out

@TheUltimateShade667

11 ай бұрын

That would mean you have to reset everytime you accidentally caught it.

@CoopDiggityDawg

11 ай бұрын

@@TheUltimateShade667 that’s the point

@CM_684

7 ай бұрын

And ratatta eating stuff from your bag

So I am the reason why they offically banned RNG manips in this category (before me it was unoffically banned). I found a manip for every pokemon one has to catch, but I never found a Tauros manip with a guaranteed catch so I never completed a Ash% run with manips. Maybe some day I will find my motivation to do it again.

@PulseEffects

Жыл бұрын

The hero we need but don't deserve. 😭

@gideonparry5684

11 ай бұрын

RNG manip could be a seperate category

@hpswagcraft

11 ай бұрын

Real Chads are the reason people ban fun things, excellent work brother

@Bean_TCG

7 ай бұрын

It's ridiculous they would ban RNG manipulation

@IamGrimalkin

4 ай бұрын

Imo they shouldn't have banned RNG manipulation. If nothing else, it resembles plot armour.

Wait. Ash gave Primeape away for training. Doesn't that mean that it should be put in the Day Care instead of released?

@matthewkuscienko4616

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure the reason it's counted as being released is because after that episode, Ash never sees Primeape again, so in a way, it kinda sorta technically counts

@thenameless7810

11 ай бұрын

​@@matthewkuscienko4616No primeape is not considered released it cameo again in the pokemon black and white opening, it is just training same with Charizard and Squirtle.

@matthewkuscienko4616

11 ай бұрын

@thenameless7810 I know he technically didn't release Primeape, but it hasn't appeared in any actual episodes after he gave it away for training. Also, it appearing in an opening I'm pretty sure doesn't count

@thenameless7810

11 ай бұрын

@@matthewkuscienko4616 Agreed, I always wondered even if Ash released his pokemon he could always still used them for example he technically released Greyninja and Goodra but he still have their pokeballs which he could still return them with. Also in the pokemon journey aim to be a pokemon master pidgeot return and decided to travel with Ash again which means that Ash still kept his pokeball. I imagine he still kept all the pokeballs of his pokemon that he had released in the past.

@pinkie723

11 ай бұрын

​@@matthewkuscienko4616Yeah, but dropping it off at the daycare to never pick it up still fits more thematically. In both cases you're not actually releasing it, just giving it to someone else to train it even though you'll never see the result of that training

Might as well have been %Tauros speedrun

The Squirtle squad episode doesn't have a gun... It has a BAZOOKA.

@PulseEffects

Жыл бұрын

The amount of assault rifles in that episode is insane LOL

@TheAres1999

Жыл бұрын

@@PulseEffects I think the rationale is that other episodes are so over the top that they qualify for cartoon violence, but the Legend of Dratini having just the one hand gun was too realistic.

@mobgabriel1767

Жыл бұрын

snake in smash bros logic

@BJGvideos

11 ай бұрын

​@@TheAres1999Yeah plus look at the Warden. He's based on Clint Eastwood

You can also make pikachu happy by spamming potion on pikachu while in full health (around 4 to 6 times) means you only need 1 potion and stand and spam potion to pikachu (you can also check the happiness of pikachu by talking to it ( 1 heart to 5 heart ) Means you don't need to walk many time just to make pikachu happy to lessen the speed run time

@PulseEffects

Жыл бұрын

I saw one of the Ash% runs do this! Any clue why this works?

@TheProPlayZ69

Жыл бұрын

@@PulseEffects Probaly the game is coded to make pikachu positive attitude to + when healing it with item and - when losing a fight Probably, the attitude + got bugged due to coding of game, because pikachu is already full health, the attitude + still get recorded as + even when the heal is not working (and since pokemon yellow is gen 1, they don't have things like patch that time to fix bugs/glitch in game) My very first game was pokemon yellow and i still don't know how things work before, and just found things out by playing it for almost 3-4 years by resetting the data.

@CommanderWiggins

Жыл бұрын

​@PulseEffects So basically the code that increases Pikachu's happiness simply checks if an item was used, and doesn't have any kind of checks to see if the item actually worked or not. It would have been very easy to implement as far as I can tell (I don't know Assembly though) so it seems like the devs just straight up forgot to implement it and no one noticed.

@homerman76

Жыл бұрын

​@@CommanderWiggins Good old Gameboy era game code

@TheProPlayZ69

11 ай бұрын

@@SongokuJidai pikachu's happiness changes every fight and every steps, so it's not advisable to spam the potion before going to fight borck or going in mount moon, since the video is about speed run on ash journey, means its time consuming if the happines reverted after reaching baulbasaur

I definitely think it would be interesting to see the Ash speedrun category in other games other than Yellow and Let’s Go. It’s technically possible to get Ash’s full team for Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, X, Y, Omega Ruby, and Alpha Sapphire.

@rueblie2627

Жыл бұрын

You wouldn’t be able to start out with pikachu though and you couldn’t delay getting treeko until after taillow

@catriamflockentanz

Жыл бұрын

Hoenn Ash% Rule: You need to use Pikachu's Thunder on your own Swellow in the Double Battle against Tate & Liza. Also getting Pikachu in the Safari Zone sounds awfully late for Ash.

@twobladedswordsandmauls2120

11 ай бұрын

​@@catriamflockentanzTrade one from another game that's originally comes from a Kanto game? Or just in general?

@GreaterPhenom

9 ай бұрын

Ash% rule: don't let the perfect get in the way of the good. Just start with Treeko and get Pikachu as early as possible.

@Gatherway

9 ай бұрын

​@@rueblie2627at that point, I feel like it would be well within the spirit of the challenge to just mod Pikachu into your starting team

If the route is actually designed for suffering, then losing before you even see the Elite Four should be the ending

I kind of want to attempt this...

@PulseEffects

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, you might suffer less through this than you did with beating the game with Onix. 😂

@CaptainKiddYT

Жыл бұрын

@@PulseEffects I don't know about that...the idea of playing through a Pokemon game with no candies or speedup already pains me LOL

if ash never battled the E4 that means we don't have to either well thats it game over

@catriamflockentanz

Жыл бұрын

Ash had a battle against Agatha after coming home from Hoenn. (Granted, she was merely the temporary Stand-In Gymleader in the Viridian City Gym, but he did fight her.)

Fun fact: my first shiny was Noctowl in Crystal and I went "Cool! Ash's Noctowl is in the game! How fun!"

@Shonisto343

9 ай бұрын

My first ever shiny was a Cleffa, in Crystal, from the egg you get from the daycare man, second was a rattatta in Sprout tower.

@ellas.2744

8 ай бұрын

Mine was a Sandshrew I stumbled on accidentally and I was like "Wait it's green, is it sick?"

@CupidDunk

8 ай бұрын

I’ve never encountered a shiny. Ever. 🥲

@Stathio

8 ай бұрын

Reminds me of when in Sapphire as a kid I casually went 'Oh cool, Mirage Island is here today. That's neat.' and only many years later found out how enormously rare that actually was!

@jaredcrabb

8 ай бұрын

I had a shiny weedle. Thats how I learned how good Beedrill can be against psychic types. Of course, you have to outspeed or it might die.

As soon as you mentioned the Tauros episode my stomach just sank because I knew what was coming.

7:37 What kinda peeved me about this is that they shoot sakura petals. In the dub, they localized it to ice guns that shot snow, despite the petals looking nothing like them. They could’ve just left them as flower petals, or if they didn’t wanna use flowers, use confetti instead.

I was thinking of a joke Speedrun category named (plushie%). Basically, you would have to do a normal FireRed/LeafGreen speed run, but you would have to get every one of the plushies in Lorelei's house which means you would have to beat the entire game, then rematch the elite four 250 TIMES! The speed run would end when you you enter Lorelei's house and see all the plushies. I can not even comprehend how many hours this would take 😵

@katieg1071

Жыл бұрын

Well, let's see... The current WR holder for FRLG E4 Round 2 enters the E4 at about 3h 16m, and wraps up at 3h 28m. So let's call one run of E4 R2 battles 15 minutes to account for RNGesus's wrath and give us a nice number to work with. 15 times 250 is 3,750 minutes. Adding in the 3 hours it'll take to get to E4 R2 in the first place (that is, assuming you have world-record pace), that's APPROXIMATELY... 65.5 hours. Surprisingly, I've seen worse!

@samanthamc1698

Жыл бұрын

@@katieg1071 wow! I didn't expect to get any answers. Thanks 😁 Edit: I wonder if it would add any significant time to get to the house?

@Bubbly_Dragon

11 ай бұрын

@@samanthamc1698 When the run is already an optimal 60+ hours, probably not lmao

@hpswagcraft

11 ай бұрын

Honestly... I wouldn't be surprised if I've done this playing Red version as a kid. The effect hundreds of car rides has on a kid... Dang.

@samanthamc1698

11 ай бұрын

@@hpswagcraft I wouldn't be surprised either, but are the plushies in Red/Blue?

oh my... when you said Safari Zone, I knew where you were going... and I just started laughing uncontrollably. WHO WOULD SUBJECT THEMSELVES TO THAT!!!?????

@timothymclean

10 ай бұрын

The larger the speedrunning community, the more goofy speedrun categories they'll invent to one-up each other.

At the start I was like "wait... you have to catch all those Tauros in the Safari zone without glitches?". This speedrun must be a true test of patience.

Top tip: If you try to give Pikachu a Potion when its HP is full, its happiness will still increase. You can do this over and over with the same Potion to get Bulbasaur quickly.

1:32 wow I never knew Gary's Eevee actually evolved differently base on how well you do. If you lose Eevee evolves into a Water type, making it easier for Pikachu to deal with. If you win once Eevee evolves into a Fire type, which only take regular damage from Pikachu electric attacks. But if you win twice Pikachu now has to deal with a Pokemon that im assuming electric attacks on Jolteon is ineffective.

@RedPandaTables

11 ай бұрын

Want to know two other weird things about gen 1 Pokemon games? A helpful tip is that you can change your moveset around though unlike in later games you can only do such in battle. Hover a move, hit select then go to another move and hit select again iirc. Another thing but completely useless for speedrunning is that most people believe gen 1 is the only Pokemon game where Oak doesn't give you free pokeballs but that would be incorrect. He does but only after the 2nd rival battle and even then only if you never evolve or catch another pokemon up to that point and never pay for your own pokeballs. If successful with the conditions and you talk to him he will give you 5 pokeballs with a dialog box that includes an error which show up even in Yellow I believe. Guess even the testers were unaware of it.

@callmezeldaonemoartime

11 ай бұрын

Bruh his name is Blue

@jaredcrabb

8 ай бұрын

Not before gen 3 and abilities. Gens 1 and 2 its just not very effecrive. Theres also the fact he could have 1 if his other 2 abilities.

@EPIKURIBOH242

4 ай бұрын

@@RedPandaTables you could change move order in battle in gen 2 & 3 too

Let's not forget Ash beat Sabrina as his fourth badge gym, not Erika... Shouldn't that be part of the requirements?

@albertonishiyama1980

11 ай бұрын

Keeping the battle order could cause some weird problems... I'm talking out of my memory and it is quite bad, but as an exemple... Ash would need to do the Lavander Town part first, then Sabrina and Sylph Co. last. What is actually possible with glitches to scape the Marrowak fight but the category doesnt let you use glitches. Adding the "battles in order" and some other restrictions (like using the exact pokemon used), but forgiving glitches made to catch the impossible mons could be funny.

@Modie

10 ай бұрын

@@albertonishiyama1980 Isn't it technically to challenge Sabrina, lose, then catch a Haunter in Lavender Tower to beat Sabrina with it?

This just seems like setting yourself up for a painful speedrun. Also, I always find it funny that Ash's Noctowl was a shiny and the first shiny I came across (excluding the Gyarados encounter because it's static) was a Noctowl and thought my game was glitched because I didn't realize what a shiny Pokemon was.

Great video. I loved every second of it!

@IdentifiantE.S

Жыл бұрын

You've seen no more than 2 minutes of video

This is the most hilarious speedrun category ever

Seriously, I think that anyone trying to replicate Ash's journey in a real game is as insane as Kefka. XD

@Zarvanis

11 ай бұрын

I dunno, Kefka has more productive things to do with his time. You don't become a god by pointlessly torturing yourself.

@higueraft571

10 ай бұрын

@@Zarvanis Unless you're the God of Torture, at least...

@jaredcrabb

8 ай бұрын

Kefka is still more insane, hes just smart insane.

Bye butterfree, I will forever remember your confusion spam.

I wonder if there's categories for ALL of ash's journeys. Some rules might have to be fudged for the pikachu rule, but it might be a neat concept

Babe wake up, new PulseEffects just dropped

I actually attempted a run in Yellow very similar to this with friends on a modded Wii back in 2011-2012, but I believe we stopped around gym 4 and that save is long gone. I was recently considering doing this again, only to find this video did it perfectly. Glad someone else had the same idea, bravo!

I'm imagining the worst pain possible. Running into the Viridian grass, only to hit the 1% Pidgeotto BEFORE the 55% Caterpie, and having to ignore it.

If there was an Alola Ash Percent would be worse because first you need a rockruff that has its special hidden ability THEN you a to get Maltan that you evolve into Melmetal in game (an impossibility to do without hacking) I think shiny odds are better

Fantastic music choice for this episode! The run is insane

4:51 An easy way to max out Pikachu's happiness is attempting to use a Potion on it while it's at max HP. The game will tell you that it has no effect, and it won't consume the Potion, but Pikachu's happiness will go up. You can pretty easily max out its happiness this way. If Pikachu's happiness isn't high enough when speedrunners get to this point in the game, this could be an easy way to get Pikachu's happiness high enough to get Bulbasaur.

Everyone's reaction to the episode where Ash suddenly had 30 Tauros in his collection: _"Wtf? When did he catch all of those?"_ and not realizing a banned episode never aired, nor was there anything to clear it up. And it wasn't the only banned episode, there was a badly edited episode that was so short, and it was a shorter than normal episode too because of James's inflatable boobs scene.

I used to use his team in Pokémon yellow bc my siblings told me the game would crash if I didn’t lmao

@PulseEffects

Жыл бұрын

That's just evil LOL

@DePariah

11 ай бұрын

Peak sibling moment

Huge mistake in the entire category ash beat magmar with Charizard

@PulseEffects

Жыл бұрын

I can't tell if this is sarcasm since he doesn't have a Magmar in game 😂

Nice video! All those Tauros sound like Hell to catch, but somehow I am Tempted... Also 6:50 'Walking With You' from the Xenoblade chronicles 2 playlist spotted!

I just knew from reading the title that catching the 29 Tauros was the run killer.

I loved watching Shen doing these runs as a meme

Having to get a shiny for a speedrun sounds cool but insanely tough

7:35 And also that gun-crazy old lady in the Tentacruel episode.😉

I've done this challenge. Not as a Speedrun, though. It was fun.

@erikaz1590

Жыл бұрын

It was fun to catch 29 tauros!?

@dominicmoisant8393

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I used to do this as a kid too, no Tauros though lol

@sdgdhpmbp

11 ай бұрын

I would straight up cheat the Tauros thing. Doing it for an audience is one thing but playing a joke on myself isn't funny when no one is laughing.

Great job Pulse!

3:30 omg, the yourney of buterfree was so emotional. Such a good story arc. 6:20 so emotional

Loved The calamity ganon theme btw

7:35 - Don't forget the machine guns, rocket launcher, and TANK Nastina uses against the giant Tentacruel while in Porta Vista in season 1!

the speedrun that makes the LGPE professor oak challenge look engaging and easy-going.

7:20 I freaking love the sky tower OST

I did not expect 'make Red LARP as Ash' to be an entire category of competitive gameplay. But hey, how else are we supposed to kill time

6:17 "Besides krabbing Grabby."🤣

when i saw shen in the beginning the title suddenly made so much more sense

The fact that the pikachu just walks on two legs in yellow is so infinitely funny to me

i randomly thought about an ash% speedrun today and i was surprised to find out there was already a category for this 😂

I feel like using long range trainer glitch would make getting primeape easier and should be allowed, but ditto can't be found until cinnabar in yellow so idk if any available trainers can give it earlier anyway.

I remember searching for and catching a Pidgeotto in Viridian forrest when I played Pokemon Yellow back in the day.

You mentioned that someone has done a run of this on Let's Go. Do you have a link to the video as I was trying to find it? Cheers!

The moment I saw Shen I was like "oh yes....the Tauros run"

Idk about other countries but the safari episode even aired in Greece as well. We even had that episode on Blue Ray xDD

@catriamflockentanz

Жыл бұрын

What the Hell(as)?

i had no idea that was how blue’s eeveelution was picked

Ah yes one of the most impossible tasks, subscribing to the channel.

Why the Safari Zone episode was banned in a nutshell: Haha gun go pew pew

I'm not surprised. Playing as if you're Ash just means you never win anything legitimetly.

Wait, Gary's eeveelution depends on whether you win lose or fight again? I honestly never knew that, after all these years. That's awesome!

Dang, Ash really did rely a lot on dumb luck didn't he?

As far as I can remember (it was when the games were new), when I originally got Pokemon Red, Tauros was the only one I was missing... I spent about 20 hours running around the Safari Zone and saw about 5 in total... And all of them ran away. Trying to get a Tauros was probably what made me decide not to play future pokemon games...

This is just how I played Yellow as a kid.

"Now that we have our starter pokemon" 1:25 (throw's pikachu into the ether)

The real Ash speedrun is when you don't use the bike past Viridian City

Safari zone sounds like a nightmare.

Me: “this doesn’t seem so bad” Me 8 minutes later: “oh no… no no no”

1:25 - WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT

"using pikachu without experiencing pain"? that's an auto fail for me. i'll stick to getting a volt absorb lanturn in kaizo. that seems like it'll hurt less. which says a hell of a lot.

@screwtokaiba

Жыл бұрын

Tbf va lanturn is actually pretty common and in lockes common enough it was an expected thing.

the tauros episode was aired in brazil and was pretty popular

Thumbnail is Ash after drinking the Grimace Shake

This is how I would replay Yellow Version way back. Wasn't speedrunning but I followed the anime as best as I could.

You should do a video on the recruit em all speedruns for the pokemon mystery dungeon games especially pokemon mystery dungeon blue rescue team and red rescue team

Gotta love and respect those absolute mad mans that run this category

the safari zone episode was absolutely aired in australia

Bro the thumbnail gave me TPSD from Mewtwo movie

Lmao, at the end when he was talking about shiny noctowl I looked down at my do and found a shiny venomoth

It's ironic that the safari zone episode only aired in Japan

Oh yeah, catching 29 Tauros. At least Ashes next BBQ's are delicious.

For the actual fun of it, would be better to just catch a mankey and evolve immediately so that you can over level charizard so that he doesn’t listen. Having 6 badges, you never get the real headache

Imagine trying the Johto Ash% and finding a shiny that isn't Noctowl.

Imagine running into a Pigeotto BEFORE managing to catch a Caterpie 💀

The category should require you to overlevel Charmeleon/Charizard so he won't listen to you for half the game

@PulseEffects

11 ай бұрын

Disobedience only happens with overleveled traded Pokemon! Charmander gets your own TID

@LukeA471

11 ай бұрын

@@PulseEffects Oh interesting I totally thought it was just based on level. That makes sense though

On my current playthrough of yellow, the first pokemon encountered in the forest.. was a pigeotto. I didn't know how rare that was until now and I regret wasting all of my pokeballs beforehand even more.

00:25 im waiting for the rule "pikachu has to beat brock's onyx with thundershock" to be a thing

I use to do something similar when I played Pokémon games, which is why it always bugged me when Ash had more than 1 starter Pokémon in a certain anime arc or how the writers rarely made his Pokémon evolve or let him catch more then 5 new Pokémon at a time.

I've never had a happy enough pikachu to get bulba when arriving in cerulean for the first time WHAT

Great, a type just after the first minute intro.

I wonder how low the time would be if glitches and rng manips were allowed. Kuddos to the guys who did that speed run

After getting pikachu, spam using the first potion from your pc while its at full health. After a bunch of uses its happiness goes up. You can max happiness before leaving town 1.

When I played Heartgold for the first time I named myself Ash. The first pokemon I found on the way to the next town was a shiny Hoothoot. I couldn't catch it because I hadn't unlocked Pokeballs yet...

You should have to name your Pikachu Jean Luc too, since that was the name of Ash’s Pikachu.

Guessing the "ridiculous" thing from the banned episode is catching 30 touros in the Safari zone...

The entire video I'm thinking to myself this seems like the type of category only Shen would run.