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As it turns out Kinnan with Dockside is good

Thanks for the video! I appreciate the description of each card.

Dyude I’ve been looking for something like this for forever this list looks so sick Rebell ur my 🐐

I don't mean to say that the community underrates Thrasios but, thank you for CONSISTENTLY being an advocate for my boi 😭 I'll try have to try this deck out if I play cedh. Thanks for sharing ❤

I’ve been brewing a very similar list for awhile. I leaned a little more into neoform and birthing pod lines but this one seems much stronger. Not having seedborn is crazy.

Etali is an excellent second main phase win con. If you’re not casting an infinite Finale in your first main to win through combat damage, you’re probably trying to loop lightning bolt. If any of those pieces in the lightning bolt combo are gone/exiled, then Etali is a perfect fallback plan to bounce with temur sabertooth, cloudstone, or kitten.

I’ve been proven so wrong about this deck. It freaking rips as much as I love Temur Dargo

@LemorasCards

3 ай бұрын

You're welcome

@mizzlchieizzl

2 ай бұрын

@@LemorasCards lol did you guys do a spot on this deck too?

@LemorasCards

2 ай бұрын

@mizzlchieizzl I've talked about it, but I'm referencing the fact that this commenter is someone I play with at my locals!

@tylercraig5633

2 ай бұрын

@@mizzlchieizzl Can confirm. I routinely get schooled by Matt every Thursday lol

I love how I can just very subtlety hear your cat in the background lmao

Sam Black? The former pro-player from Wisconsin? Or is this a different Sam Black?

@RebellSon

3 ай бұрын

That's the one

@B1gLupu

3 ай бұрын

@@RebellSon CEDH is mainstream! Woop woop! I thought Matt Sperling was an outlier, but I guess not. Seeing magic pros take an interest in our format just warms my heart :)

@Hard1sh

3 ай бұрын

@@B1gLupu Sam Black, Brian Coval, Bryant Cook, Matt Sperling, Drake Sasser, etc all play cedh pretty regularly. The pros are coming

@B1gLupu

3 ай бұрын

@@Hard1sh hurray, the format is saved!

Some people say "paying 4 mana to draw a card is bad." But like you said, being able to focus on making infinite mana instead of needing a payoff makes the deck a lot more streamlined. You find what you need to win faster, you're harder to disrupt, and you recover really fast. If you're not going for a win at the moment, it turns your mana into cards. It even helps you bluff having nothing (Thrasios passios) so you can EZone and win at instant speed out of nowhere. And if they kill your commanders, you have the mana to recast them.

you look very happy talking about it ^-^

I love reading Sam’s cEDH articles. They often go against the “common knowledge” but they have the evidence and math to back it up.

@nheimi99

Ай бұрын

Where can one read them?

@janmelantu7490

Ай бұрын

@@nheimi99 They used to write for Hipsters of the Coast, and now write for Commander’s Herald (EDHRec)

If you're planning to cut Etali, what is the "Oops I win" in the deck?

@snek3201

3 ай бұрын

Finale of devastation, don’t cut etali tho he slaps

Also, are there other wincons besides 1:Lightning Ball to face whit eternal loops and 2: finali for a lot!!!

So the first line, where you sac the birds to evolution, where are you getting the 3rd green mana to float for thrasios?

So, is it Timetwister for the decks that don´t use their graveyard and Wheel of Fortune for decks that do?

@ericbenevides5739

3 ай бұрын

That was my thought. I built this deck and I only run Timetwister since I’m not on Underworld Breach

Whats the value running generous ent vs a 2nd forest instead?

I think i missed something, why are the basics important? Sprawl just needs a forest not a basic forest, wild growth and fertile ground are any land, what did i miss?

@RebellSon

3 ай бұрын

This deck uses earthcraft

@jgmclellan

3 ай бұрын

I knew there must be something I wasn't seeing, ty Rebell

I think it's crazy to play barrin over sabertooth if you are on cloud of faeries. If you where just on the dockside plan I could see it, but having one of your main bouncers not work with your second mana positive creatures is a bit wierd.

Why choose Barin over Sabertooth?

How relevant is that Generous Ent is a creature? If it’s getting a land X% of the time (and then doing nothing else as far as I can tell?), what should X be before it should just be another fetch?

@snek3201

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I agree that’s the weirdest part of the list, idk what generous ent is doing here tbh

@snek3201

3 ай бұрын

pitches to force of vigor

Honestly this deck will be amazing with Flare of Duplication and Flare of Denial

E Map? That's the one Erin put together, yeah?

My question is what is the real advantage of Rograkh over Dargo? I see a couple cards which get better with Roger (Fierce Guardianship, Deflecting Swat, Mox Amber, and Springleaf Durm) which can increase your turn 1 consistency, but don't the lines get more convoluted without Dargo?

@KindaSeb

3 ай бұрын

Wouldn't the rograck help start hull break horror/ tide spout lines since it's a zero drop?

@BeadyAbiter

3 ай бұрын

Dargo can't turn 1 no mana

@B1gLupu

3 ай бұрын

Rog also sacs for Eldrich evolution to get Kinnan

@Racnive

3 ай бұрын

Most of the lines are simpler with Rograkh, with anything that likes free creatures, and you can get him out T1 100% of the time. Cloudstone Curio becomes easy to create a loop. Sac inputs are easily active. Fierce/Swat are immediately active. Mana generators like Relic of Legends are immediately active. Cradle immediately generates mana (so you could even keep a hand with just Cradle!) Dargo combos require more cards to be active, Dargo doesn't help you T1, and can be difficult to turn into mana.

I dont play cedh. Why didn't you get out sol ring and/or mana vault at 2:20? You tapped otawara but didn't use the blue for anything.

But why not Kraum instead? Gives you some insane lines with deadeye navigator and hullbreaker horror, while also being you know, a better card than rograkh

@ericbenevides5739

3 ай бұрын

Rograkh makes the deck play much much faster with Mox Amber, springleaf drum, Jeskas will (if you play it), etc. and turns on your free interaction quicker (fierce + deflecting swat). I play this deck and it’s more turbo, where Kraum is more midrange. Not to mention Rograkh is a much better card for neoform, eldritch evolution (right into dockside), and makes your dockside+ cloudstone curio line super easy with a 0 drop in the command zone

This is a better version of my old Kinnan deck

Why on the first hand did you pay 1 for Rograkh?

@avall0nNn1992

3 ай бұрын

To assert dominance.

E wit plus petal and kitten is also infinite btw

sooo….what are the wincon lines? I dont get it😂 …. Go infinite and than Etali?

@RebellSon

2 ай бұрын

Once you establish infinite bouncing with HbH or curio lines, you can bolt someone then eternal witness bolt back in hand. Or recast Etali infinitely. Whatever works

Hey nice gear! But um, hedge maze, really? lol. I'm interested.

Hey I have a Roger Thrasios deck but it’s poly morph for Etali and displaced kitten and nothing else

@jamesgreenwood1703

3 ай бұрын

Have you thought about Krark thrasios so all of your poly morph effects get both kitten and etali?

Why emap instead of sylvan scrying ?

@RebellSon

22 сағат бұрын

Emap can be played turn 1, is colorless, can find boseiju to hand to destroy something, and this deck used to be on urza’s saga. Scrying is easier to counter, and while e map is 3 mana in total, forcing 2 on the stack is harder than 1.

U say there ways to make inf. Mana whit relic + rog… how ? Also u say i wont go into how all the smal combo work, its a Waste of time: no.. i would love that 😊

Rebs! Its just cause you haven't played Stella Lee, Wild Card yet!!

really like the videos but i think half the screen being your avatar is a bit much. makes it a little difficult to see the cards.

How do you win?

@MTG-tips_and_tricks

22 күн бұрын

It's a good deck, just like how do you win the game?

@RebellSon

20 күн бұрын

Once you've established infinite mana you can do whatever you want. You draw up to whatever you need, then Lightning Bolt the table finitely by casting Bolt, playing Eternal Witness to pick up the Bolt, then use one of the many engines to infinitely bounce E-Witt like Cloudstone Curio + Rog / Hullbreaker Horror + Rog + E Witt. You can also exile everyone's library with Etali by infinitely bouncing and recasting Etali instead of bolt. Also infinite mana Finale of Devastation all your creatures and attack works.

@MTG-tips_and_tricks

17 күн бұрын

Thanks, love this deck

@MTG-tips_and_tricks

17 күн бұрын

Do you think thrasios and then Jace or thoracle would be a good win con

13k for this deck. Nice.

Blowing my mind just how good this Animar list looks.

@nebDDa

3 ай бұрын

animar doesn’t cost 0 mana

@wazzledog1007

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's so good it doesn't even use animar anymore

i feel like its a bit unfair to count a combo as a win without a counter back up

@gutsbadguy50

3 ай бұрын

I think the point of this deck is that getting countered isn't the end of the world since you have ramp+thrasios to fall back on.

My polymorph brain is grateful for the dark horse psyop

i got to 13 mana on t2 with monoU urza

@GoldenSkeeter

3 ай бұрын

I had 22 mana on turn 2 with kinnan, got out 2x voidwinnowers. Copy artifact on mana crypt + phyrexian metamorph on the voidwinnower

I prefer thrasios with tevesh

Why not play thras akiri?

IS rog providing THAT much value? Doesn't Akri provide much more?

Why hedge maze? Tapped land

@FoggieFroggy

3 ай бұрын

Literally said in the video

@aklepatzky

3 ай бұрын

@@FoggieFroggy instead of that, type what was said about it

@ruckinryno7033

3 ай бұрын

@@aklepatzkyor, don’t be lazy. Find it in the video and hear from the source.

@aklepatzky

3 ай бұрын

@@ruckinryno7033 or you be useful and instead of posting a meaningless comment actually help out others

@snek3201

3 ай бұрын

0 mana card selection you can tutor for 0 mana when you have nothing else to do, it’s powerful

This is a good budget deck.

I remember seeing and building the original iteration of this deck Sam Black posted about a while ago, and have loved it ever since. Now seeing the latest variations and heading yours and Sam’s thoughts on the updated list, makes me want to update the version I have so badly. Amazing video, as always!

thank you, like rograhk gives mana, thras likes mana, no brainer, cloudstone loops, you can even HARD CAST memes like dispacer kitten into etali, t2 seedborne. jeska doesnt synergize and rog eldritch into 2's is actually really nice for tutor consistency in colors that struggle.