Imagine building this up over a game and then tapping Homeward path after everyone at the table as 2-3 of your creatures lol

@JackJackrabbit

2 жыл бұрын

I'm looking for homeward path to screw over the guy that dares to play this

@MageSkeleton

2 жыл бұрын

imagine not having been able to afford a card like Homeward Path and somehow it's just YOU and ONE opponent..... and they have FIVE creatures you gave them......

@mywife69

2 жыл бұрын

@@MageSkeleton proxy it 😎

@MrSweetiebear95

2 жыл бұрын

@@MageSkeleton it's $15 it's not like it's a reserve list card

@BossofBlades

2 жыл бұрын

One fun interaction I'm building the deck with is layering of control abilities. If you control magic a creature then use irenclus to give it to an opponent, when the control magic leaves play it goes under your control.

My lowest TCGPlayer market price is currently $1.08 for my Commander: Streets of New Capenna printing!

@jadenlingerfelt7585

2 жыл бұрын

We’re getting closer to it being budget! Still have a way to go though

AH, THE CHILD OF BHAAL HAS AWOKEN!

@joshlee8019

2 жыл бұрын

It is time for more... experiments.

@fiddlestyxify

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting....you have much untapped power...

@rachskald

2 жыл бұрын

@@joshlee8019 The pain will only be passing.... you should survive the process.

@nalrashido

2 жыл бұрын

"I... I do not remember your love, Ellesime. I have tried to. I have tried to recreate it, to spark it anew in my memory. But it is gone... a hollow, dead thing. " "For years, I clung to the memory of it. Then the memory of the memory. And then nothing. The Seldarine took that from me, too. I look upon you and I feel nothing. I remember nothing but you turning your back on me, along with all the others. Once my thirst for power was everything. And now I hunger only for revenge. And... I... Will... *HAVE IT!!"*

@ProdPizer

2 жыл бұрын

can someone explain the lore? sounds cool

No Evil Eye of Orms-by-gore or Evil Eye of Urborg? Those seem like perfect cards to add!

@FlawlessP401

Жыл бұрын

I had both but swapped them out for Archfiend of Dross and Steel Golem. The eyes are fun but can be low impact sometimes but the whole deck is very conditional it's game play changes every game

@doozy1633

22 күн бұрын

@@FlawlessP401archfiend of dross is better against the last person because you’ll get it back under your control when the player loses. A good way around it is to have it in your graveyard and give someone a Lazav with the archfiend of the dross’s ability if they don’t have creature cards in their graveyard

"I... I do not remember your love, Ellesime. I have tried to. I have tried to recreate it, to spark it anew in my memory. But it is gone... a hollow, dead thing. For years, I clung to the memory of it. Then the memory of the memory. And then nothing. The Seldarine took that from me, too. I look upon you and I feel nothing. I remember nothing but you turning your back on me, along with all the others. Once my thirst for power was everything. And now I hunger only for revenge. And... I... Will... HAVE IT!!"

@michaeld2440

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously one of my favorite villains/games from my childhood. Love this.

@nalrashido

2 жыл бұрын

"Then I pity you. Would that you had used your stolen mortal years to *earn* your return to this sacred place. I could have loved you anew, as I loved the man you once were. But I see nothing of him here. You are Irenicus. And all that awaits you now...is death."

With how many cards give opponents things and make them sacrifice stuff, Tergrid looks really good in the 99.

Hullbreaker Horror is a great card for this deck to keep. It lets you return your creatures to your hand to survive in 1v1 scenarios.

Also Scroll of fate is a good card, this way u can manifest those bad creatures, and u turn them face up in response of the commander's trigger.... this way u won't have so much ptoblems if they destroy ur commander when ur moving to your endstep

I may have to build this deck just so I can do the "Life is strength" monologue each time I cast him as a commander.

@14hourz82

2 жыл бұрын

what monologue is that?

@joshlee8019

2 жыл бұрын

@@14hourz82 "Life... is strength. This is not to be contested; it seems logical enough. You live; you affect your world. But is it what you want? You are... different inside. This woman lives and has strength of a sort. She lost her parents to plague, her husband to war, but she persevered. Her farm has prospered, her name is respected and her children are fed and safe. She lived as she thought she should. And now she is dead. Her land will be divided, her children will move on, and she will be forgotten. She lived a good life, but she had no power; she was a slave to death. I wonder if you are destined to be forgotten. Will your life fade in the shadow of greater beings?" It's a speech the character gives.

@RaginKavu

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, was thinking the same. What monologue?

@joshlee8019

2 жыл бұрын

@@RaginKavu "Life... is strength. This is not to be contested; it seems logical enough. You live; you affect your world. But is it what you want? You are... different inside. This woman lives and has strength of a sort. She lost her parents to plague, her husband to war, but she persevered. Her farm has prospered, her name is respected and her children are fed and safe. She lived as she thought she should. And now she is dead. Her land will be divided, her children will move on, and she will be forgotten. She lived a good life, but she had no power; she was a slave to death. I wonder if you are destined to be forgotten. Will your life fade in the shadow of greater beings?" It's a speech the character gives.

@allthatisandeverwas

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to keep it simple with “You will suffer! You will all suffer!”

You forgot the Evil Eyes!!! They are an aggro deck's nightmare!

I could see this commander having catastrophic blowouts in most games. Opponents will save instant speed removal, and kill Jon in response to you casting one of the bad cards, so that you just have bad cards in your deck. Its far safer to just play him less mean, and use him to throw unblockable or highly invasive stuff to opponents to get card advantage and make them harm each other.

@peakeythebard1454

Жыл бұрын

Swiftfoot boots, there are also a few hexproofing effects in blue and som other flicker type effects that you'd want anyway that can keep him alive. Also counterspell.

@FlawlessP401

Жыл бұрын

Yeah no. First most people aren't gonna run enough removal to get rid of everything. Also you run payoff effects and lots of counters. Plus the standard commander protection suite. He's not even a high priority in most games. Plus your opponents don't always mind the creature. Like discarding a card is a small price for a 9/8 on turn 5

@FlawlessP401

Жыл бұрын

Played this deck a lot. No one kills him. By the time you're killing him you're losing removal you need for other threats. Plus you don't only run bad creatures you gotta run a board too. Like Bitterblossom and Sacrifice payoff effects. My deck basically gives a bunch of stuff that forces sacrifice in people and then I run a bunch of sacrifice payoffs and synergies. So you give then garbage and steal the good stuff they have to sacrifice to it. Run like 3 tutors to always have your stuff ready. Expedition Map to help get big mana Cabal Coffers urborg combo. Then torment of hailfire for a big x. Basically just distract them with bad stuff hobble them with your good stuff and then try a big win

Rotting Regisaur is one of my pet cards for sure. I've used it in dredge decks, and busted it out like turn 2 via sol ring, and discarded Brawn at the begining of the next turn. very funny. :)

Hereinafter we shall refer to this card as "David Warner."

I for one am incredibly excited for this set

Yesssss, finally, a perfect commander for my future competitive duel EDH!

that goaded creature must be poor Yoshimo.

@nalrashido

Жыл бұрын

*Spoilers read at your own risk!* At least Ilmater the God of Martyrdom and Suffering took pity on his soul after all he suffered.

I was planning to make some horror tribal, now this is perfect!

The far traveler background counters this it reads: Commander creatures you own have "at the beginning of your end step, exile up to 0ne target taped creature you control, then return its the battlefield under its OWNERS control" This means you tap to attack then flicker it back to the owners side of the field. Combine with Abdel Adrian, Gorion's Ward and you'd have a mono white deck that hard counters this.

Casual reminder that Taniwha exists. Not a bad way to lock a player out of the game, especially later in the turns.

One the the cards that came to mind with this commander is homeward path. Can use it in a way to bring stuff back on your side for emergencies, or combo it with with Herald of Leshrac or bring stuff back to give them nasty equipment for extra value.

@benroberts1052

2 жыл бұрын

how does herald help it

@longshotsam2269

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much if you bring it back under your control right after you give it to someone the Cumulative upkeep ability will prevent it from being sacrifice if you have no more lands to steal.

@benroberts1052

2 жыл бұрын

@@longshotsam2269 i mean i guess that works, but itd probably only buy one other turn

@longshotsam2269

2 жыл бұрын

Just a thought. May have jump the gun on that, just thinking of fun and unique ways to abuse that can’t sacrifice part of the ability.

@benroberts1052

2 жыл бұрын

@@longshotsam2269 nah it’s fine, I was just being inquisitive, not trying to be rude or mean.

Question: How does this work with Mimic Wat or Whip of Erebos. I know they both exile the creature and not sacrifice them. But if you stack the triggers at the beginning of our end step and donate the creature to an opponent before the Exile trigger resolve. does the exile trigger still apply to the creature if you don't control it anymore?

Another good card is Egon. Your opponent is forced to exile their grave, and once they run out of cards he can't sacrifice himself.

the backup plan is getting a homeward path, possibly with some land tutors that can search for it., just pile up your creatures that you want back on the player that you think is going to win, (hint, black tutors can search for lands too!)

@Nightmarecit

2 жыл бұрын

With creatures that are actually bad for you?

@rhainex5952

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nightmarecit I think this person misread the commander and didn't pay attention to the video.

@Valjque

2 жыл бұрын

@@rhainex5952 Well if you take a big swing at the end of the game with a horde of monstruosity at the last player standing, even if they make you sacrifice permanents after if you time it right it could be your finisher

The one time giving your opponent an indestructible creature is brutal

I already use abyssal persecutor. 4 drop 6/6 flying trample is nice. I beat face and drop life totals then sacrifice it later.

Finally, a commander for my Jank black cards edh.

If you’re going to play this, I recommend looking up Despotic Scepter. It allows you to destroy a permanent you own(not control) so you can take out things you don’t want back, or things that might come your way next combat step.

What about Taniwha. "Oh I'm sorry your manabase has phased out"

Public Enemy is a great addition from New Capenna

I don't see any credit using the promo code. Any idea how long it takes?

This is exactly what Ive been looking for! I want to do a sliver deck that donates sliver tokens and then kills with Plague Sliver

Shame it isn't Grixis, lots of goad synergy in red. I play thantis forced combat deck :L

@jstratton1981

2 жыл бұрын

I could fit him in the 99 of a grixis goaded treasure theme deck easily...not a bad idea

Ominous seas( the one the makes kraken after 8 counters on it) is also a great card since your drawing a lot of cards

I made this as eye tribal. Just a question - don't the opponents get to choose your commander as one of the cards taken?

So you give out say one or two to each player they can't sacrifice them and you hit them with killing wave they have to take the damage right?

@alicetheaxolotl

2 жыл бұрын

No, you are allowed to choose to sacrifice it, then the effect prevents it from being sacrificed. Same ruling as if your opponent played Killing Wave while you control Sigarda, Host of Herons

Im definitely building this commander around infect and counter spells. yes, Im evil :)

i am actually building a jon irenicus deck, using self sacrificing creatures, like bronzebombshell and giant shark to force a game draw for the table. its really mischeveous and hilarious the way they interact

It's goated with the sauce for the rest of the game

"You will suffer! You will _all_ suffer!"

God i've had a hellcarver demon since the set came out. Thought it was cool I pulled a mythic then ZERO people wanted it. I am interested in this commander and am glad to see that now the price has gone up

Heartless Summoning seems good.

Now I have to redo my blim deck

Here's a nasty combo if you have the budget Use Memnarch > steal someone else's creature > give that creature to another opponent.

@AssimilateAndChill

2 жыл бұрын

It says “own” so creatures you steal don’t work. The owner is the person in whose deck the creature started

@KBgamer2010

2 жыл бұрын

@@AssimilateAndChill This is true, but at the same time, chaos. Also, that's only the 2nd part of it's ability (Card draw) First part specifies creatures you control

@merda_bellator4559

2 жыл бұрын

@@KBgamer2010 that still doesn’t work since you’re giving the opponent control of the creature.

@KBgamer2010

2 жыл бұрын

@@merda_bellator4559 I'm only bringing this up just for the chaos and no value, or do this in a political way. Make a deal with player C by giving them player B's creature. I know I won't be drawing cards this way, but I'm still going to have a lot of fun doing this.

Thanks for this.

Does this work with cumulative upkeep? Like if you give someone a Polar Kraken, then they have to sacrifice the lands since they can't sacrifice the creature?

@almisami

2 жыл бұрын

I would assume they can refuse to pay and they won't have to sacrifice it.

@akkristor

2 жыл бұрын

Cumulative Upkeep is always optional. If you don't or can't pay it, then you sac the creature. You cannot partially pay a cumulative upkeep. So, no it doesn't really work with Cumulative Upkeep, since they can not pay and then the creature isn't sac'd.

@alicetheaxolotl

2 жыл бұрын

No, cumulative upkeep is optional, so you can choose not to pay, and the effect prevents it from being sacrificed.

How does the trigger of Plague Reaver work with Jon as they both trigger at the beginning of the EP do you have to sac your board and then give it or is there a way around that

@bytor21121

2 жыл бұрын

I believe you get to stack the triggers in the order you want.

@dtopa7524

6 ай бұрын

Both Jon and the Reaver would trigger. You can stack the triggers however you choose, but unless you can counter the Reaver trigger, you will have to sacrifice your other creatures (including Jon). Plague reaver is a bad inclusion in this deck.

I'm putting this in my Karona deck. It just fits way too well for it not to go in

i HATE blue and this is the most balanced Dimir legendary creature that can be your commander. There are some really neat creatures you could end up giving your opponents, but it's no The Beamtown Bullies where you can literally give someone a creature that ETB's "Skip your next TWO turns" and reacur it with Riftsweeper and put it from library back into your graveyard with Oriq Loremage did i mention The Beamtown Bullies has access to Seedborn Muse AND Quest for renewal?

@haeilsey

2 жыл бұрын

Jon is even funnier. give your opponent a card like Bronze Bombshell or Sea Serpent. the game won't advance until they sac it but they CAN'T

@MageSkeleton

2 жыл бұрын

@@haeilsey um.... in competitive you would get disqualified because the game has to go to "last person standing".

So Tergird really going in that 99 LOL

@regaleagle6533

2 жыл бұрын

So they can’t sacrifice things and you don’t get them?

@alicetheaxolotl

2 жыл бұрын

@@regaleagle6533 they can't sacrifice the cards you give them, but they can still sacrifice everything else. You can give them Lord of the Pit, and force them to sacrifice their own cards, giving them to you.

Give 'em any one of those cards that make you have to sac a creature every upkeep

1. Homeward Path is going to freaking Skyrocket 2. Why do I absolutely LOVE the idea of giving my opponents infect creatures XD sure there's plenty of fun creatures with destructive effects you can donate to them, but people hate infect more than most anything else. 3. this guy will be a great political trickery deck using curses. Though a personal favorite strategy would be using plenty of steal effects and removal/counterspells with guile to make it a trade deck of sorts. that preventing them from sacrifice effect though... I feel like Im forgetting something but what.... oh yeah, Curse of the Cabal. forcing sacrifice will still be a very good strategy, since they cant sacrifice the ones you give them. 4. Keep Equipment and Auras in mind with this deck as well. if you put them on a creature before you give them, the equipment will stay until they remove it. it could make things interesting, pending on what you equip them with. this has some great potential to be built a bunch of different ways. Id be tempted if I didnt largely play 1v1 these days.

@regaleagle6533

2 жыл бұрын

It would be super funny when you die to your own infect 🤣

Never get down go a 1 on 1. Save a group finisher for late game and pop it to end

Oh my these cards are getting wackier, I love it.

can you put out multiple goaded cards on the same opponent throughout multiple turns? because it says up to 1 making me think they can only have 1 goaded card and you must wait to give the same player another goaded card after they get ris of the first one. Am I wrong please tell me im wrong

@moocowp4970

10 ай бұрын

I'm not judge but I believe you're wrong. I believe that line says you can give them up to one during that triggered ability. So at the end step Jon triggers, and you give one creature away, but you can give that one creature to someone who already has one . Besides, if you gave them one on a previous turn THEY now control it (you are still the owner, but they are the controller), so they wouldn't control any creatures that you control ;) It's just a way to stop you from putting 10 bad creatures on the board and then giving them all to an opponent in the one turn.

This seems fun. But, the question becomes. How do you win. Lots of fun with 3-4 people at the table and they all have to attack each other. But once its down to you and one other player. You're stuck with all your negative effect creatures that came back to you from the other opponents dying, or you're opponent has to attack YOU with the goaded creatures now. Seems like it could be difficult to sneak consistent win cons in here.

@ajalonhuber7535

2 жыл бұрын

Solved this problem by making it a Relentless Rats Tribal'ish deck, mixed with Full Board Pumps (Coat of Arms), Mass Unblockables/Can't Block. Relentless Rats continues to be a significant creature threat through out the game, so it's not necessary to having many controlled by other opponent's. Your goal is to hit opponent's with your Rats who have weak defenses on your turn. (Definitely Not a CEDH).

Video won’t play. Says “No stream - Tap to retry”

This is a *way* better take on giving away harmful things than Blim, Comedic Genius. (Granted Blim can give away noncreature permanents but he comes with too many strings attached)

Sleep locking spells will be good so they can’t attack so won’t die

so basically if anyone uses that they become arch enemy instantly

Phage wouldn’t work with the switching control, would it?

@TheKensta88

2 жыл бұрын

No, because it isn't entering the battlefield when it switches sides. Now if you had phage in the graveyard and used the effect of the Beamtown bullies to give it to an opponent that would kill them.

@ferdithetank7535

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheKensta88 Except Bullies specifically say "nonlegendary creature"

Desecration elemental is just perfect for him. Not only denying one player to have any creature, but also giving them a goaded 9/9 with shadow that will hurt the other players and let you draw cards.

Haha nice idea love the card not so much the link to buy... $33 in cards $118 for shipping. Thanks but no thanks. All of us ip here in Canada would probably love to support channels but the companies selling cards are all the same

I drafted this guy in a legends game. He did very well, but the deck as a whole wasn’t enough to support him. However, I’m looking forward to making a true commander deck off of him.

what about cumulative upkeep cards?

@alicetheaxolotl

2 жыл бұрын

Cumulative upkeep is optional, so you give it to an opponent, they choose not to pay, it attempts to sacrifice but can't. Same as if you target an indestructible creature with a card that says "destroy"

"You are but a gnat, compared to my power!"

the salt must flow

🤣🔥🥇 Funny AsF .. I'm In! #Dimir

any other good cards ?

Phylactery lich.

It's Blim but different

you forgot yawgmoth demon

He can target himself tho can't he? So if you fail to place a creature for him then he is jumping around? between opponents.

@alicetheaxolotl

2 жыл бұрын

It's up to one target creature, so you COULD pass him around if you (and your opponents) want, but you aren't forced to

I‘ll smack this one into my karona deck

This looks like a fun concept, until everyone plays a board wipe...multiple times lol

@timdegraaff9259

2 жыл бұрын

You are in blue, so run counterspells

@DrukenReaps

2 жыл бұрын

I mean... Pretty much every deck that relies on permanents can fold to multiple board wipes. You're just bringing up a thing that works against a lot of casual metas.

It keeps saying no stream and won’t play for me….

@masonpugh5739

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@JoyousOblivion

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@aaronvincent816

2 жыл бұрын

It’s working now!

And if you have brass bombshell, you can end the game in an instant tie.

I'm thinking unblockable weenies. Think like blighted agent. Just ew!!! 🤣

You could actually cast Deadly Tempest as a finisher with this guy

No golden pig?

Assault Suit and Taniwha = GG lol

This card screams Gruul, why is it Dimir?

@jstawch2608

2 жыл бұрын

the control aspect is more dimir then gruul. I think you're right about it feeling more gruul with the types of other creatures you'll have in your deck to give away. But the initial effect is more dimir imo.

This card was in a leak reveal around a month or so ago. Need more coffee Mitch. But yeah he's not a nice guy

Cool but its one of those commanders whose deck is useless if it gets targeted. If someone takes out the commander 3 times its gg, because half your cards are iseless to your own board

.....Taniwha.....

My wife's comment upon seeing this: "SadElfBoy98 has entered the chat."

Would be fun to play against this with my Blim deck, trading stuff back and forth lol

Homeward path goo!!

@dannylut9711

2 жыл бұрын

First Blim.. then Bullies..and now this

@dannylut9711

2 жыл бұрын

No Tegrid mention?

Karona False God

You fool! This is secretly a draw the game commander! Donate that bronze bombshell, bog serpent, or skeleton ship! Watch as they cower when their cards keep screaming at them to sacrifice them but they lack the power to do so. Mwhahaha

Must. Give. Everyone. Phyrexian. Obliterator. Tokens.

The second this hits the field remove it and lock it out the game

second

Imagine caring about being first in the comments...

So…hear me out…give one player a phage

like

I dont know why yall wanna give away other creatures, just give them Irenicus himself. Since he gets +2+2 you could get him bigger and bigger with the right politics at the table ^^

First!

@Mr.CoolDude0

2 жыл бұрын

Second

@kfunky209

2 жыл бұрын

But did you play Wayfarer's Bauble?

@kwixkedem4398

2 жыл бұрын

@@kfunky209 nope

Dont think is a good commander, if you want to make it strong you have to fill your deck with bad card... if someone kill your general, this is it you loose with a bunch of bad creatures. AND when someone dies, you have to take back your awfull things you cannot sacrifice... gg well play, you loose! The idea is great, but it's clearly underperform for sure!

@ferdithetank7535

2 жыл бұрын

Still better than Blim, Comedic Genius. Also, you can build your deck to function without its commander, you know.

@jlateralus21

2 жыл бұрын

if you build it that way. but if you play infect, and add +2/+2 to those creatures, and load up with counter spells and proliferate. you're golden. plus you're not the one playing infect creatures, your opponents are!

This is a WAY worse version of the Jund Ogre.