Henry VIII disregarded his daughters as worthy heirs to his thrown, but damm, they were both formidable women.

@Headpfones

Жыл бұрын

Amen

@Headpfones

Жыл бұрын

@Madame d'Badger I very much agree, from what I have observed from my own personal research is that Henry was someone who was very easily ruled by his ego and sense of want

@fangirlinneverland6335

10 ай бұрын

YASSS

@h.calvert3165

8 ай бұрын

Every single Tudor woman was formidable! 👸🏻

@stephaniesimpson1150

6 ай бұрын

This is where Turdor men were really dumb shts///@@h.calvert3165

Hands down one of my favorite moments of the series. Queen Mary Tudor has often been depicted as being a virtual puppet of the Spanish Habsburg Empire without loyalty or consideration towards England and its subjects. Yet here she draws a line in the sand towards Spanish influence: She is a Catholic, yes, but an English Catholic and a Princess of England, and a Princess of England does not flee or sell out her claim to foreign interests.

@Martin-Tello

Жыл бұрын

Sin duda. Usualmente las reinas por derecho propio al casarse le entregaban todo el poder a sus maridos pero ella puso el pie en el suelo e impidió la adhesión de Inglaterra a los dominios Habsburgo y el arrebato de su poder y autoridad

@heatherwaetzig2633

Жыл бұрын

The Habsburgs did not treat her or Catherine well and weren't very good relatives. I'm kind of mad she married Philip for a variety of reasons he wasn't a good choice for England. Mary probably thought she was doing the right thing for her country by renewing an alliance w/her mother's country but failed to see that Spain didn't have her best interests at heart.

@Lessareve

8 ай бұрын

@@heatherwaetzig2633 Very true. She probably felt compelled to attach herself to her mother's house. But at the same time that house had changed drastically. It was no longer the House of Trastamara ; nor of Castille and Aragon, but a Habsburg House. Under the heavy rule of Charles V. Meanwhile, Philip of Spain was quick to forget that their Great grand mother Isabel of Castille ruled in her own name, and clearly struggled with being a male consort.

@heatherwaetzig2633

8 ай бұрын

@@Lessareve Exactly and Charles locked up his own mother Queen Juana of Castile depriving her of her throne and right to rule. She was Mary's aunt and still alive when she took the throne. 😢😢

@izabeldemelo

Ай бұрын

That's It ❤

Ah once again, the children of Henry VIII reminding the world what it means to piss off a Tudor.

Literally the best depiction of Mary I have ever seen

@Wadiyatalkinabeet_

Ай бұрын

Certainly not the best depiction of a Spanish Ambassador though. They really do want to milk Sir Pedro though for MuH iNcLuSioN

Great Romola scene, great acting! Amazing words of her loyalty to England!

She a legend she's an icon and she is the moment Yes queen yes queen

@clairefordzetterstrom9973

Жыл бұрын

Yassss! Slay Queen Mary l!

@izabeldemelo

Ай бұрын

Yeees❤

@Wadiyatalkinabeet_

Ай бұрын

Cringe

@izabeldemelo

Ай бұрын

@@Wadiyatalkinabeet_ Because?

@Wadiyatalkinabeet_

Ай бұрын

@@izabeldemelo Because I said so, that’s why

There’s a Tudor telling off a stinkin ambassador. She has the steel of her mother, an infanta of Spain and youngest daughter of Queen Isabella, a warrior queen, in her own right as well as being her father’s daughter. She learned much at her mother’s side until Henry separated them, forever.

@KL-ki8db

Жыл бұрын

Sir Pedro was a mercenary not an ambassador. However, it would make sense to interact as he is a Spanish Catholic like her mother.

@glennhubbard5008

Ай бұрын

The King of Spain sending a Moor to represent him? Uh, no.

@Wadiyatalkinabeet_

Ай бұрын

Sir Pedro wasn’t even alive when Mary became Queen, and he wasn’t an ambassador. The actual ambassador that visited Mary looked nothing like what is portrayed on the show.

She only bows before God

Wonderful scene ! Princess Mary surpasses herself as usual.

Black people would never be given such high offices in the Tudor-era.

@MiiFone1

Ай бұрын

There were two queens of England who were part black

@TobiahThornwood

Ай бұрын

That's not even true, a large part of spain (Where the guy in the scene is from) was moorish and had pleanty of power. In england maybe but they every had a few mixed race queens and nobles. History is complicated and Europe is a large continent right next to africa and attached to Asia. The casting in this scene does actually make sense.

@MiiFone1

Ай бұрын

@@TobiahThornwood right because Queen Charlotte the wife of the English King George III who was i believe directly descended from Margarita de Castro y Sousa that was a Black branch of the Portuguese royal house at the time.Also there was Queen Philippa of Hainault, of France I think who had Black Moorish ancestry. She married Edward of York later Edward III, the son of Edward II the king who had male lovers. And today the Markle chick inserted more black DNA so black people have royal ancestry.

@TobiahThornwood

Ай бұрын

@@MiiFone1 Indeed but also a lot of nobles in spain were black. Which is what I was adressing in this guy's comment. black people in europe had plenty of power, especially if they were from southern spain, though they were indeed outnumbered by their white counterparts. The sort of racism that we're used to is actually a pretty modern thing mostly coming from well after the tudor period, and mostly starting in the Americas. European nobles cared more about who you were decended from and how long your family had been around than the color of your skin. Classism was the problem then, not so much racism.

@MiiFone1

Ай бұрын

@@TobiahThornwood indeed

To think; Henry and Catherine had been marry for years and Mary is their only child to survived.

@maddiesander4786

Жыл бұрын

It’s life back then kids just didn’t survive

@savagedarksider5934

Жыл бұрын

@@maddiesander4786 and the inbreeding didn't help either.

@themermaidstale5008

Жыл бұрын

Experts now believe that Henry had some infant killing blood disorder. It has a name, a name I don’t remember.

@KL-ki8db

Жыл бұрын

@@themermaidstale5008 There is also evidence to show that Catherine of Aragon often fasted during her pregnancy which we now know as a very poor choice to do so. A combination of both left them with only Mary as an heir.

@teaonrainyday888

3 ай бұрын

​@@savagedarksider5934Sure.Inbreeding from the Spanish Hapsbergs or arrogant Catherine of Aragon because Henry VIII wasn't inbred AT ALL. She had a blood disorder which enabled her ability to birth a male child as well as Henry's own conditions but he did have two sons who survived till adolescence.

The Spanish Ambassador to England was not black

@sanmartinovallevictorjuven5187

26 күн бұрын

In this universe, they elevated a subject of the colonies as an ambassador to England.

I feel sorry for Mary

@babsgrayson8432

Жыл бұрын

If there was a season 2 and we see the Bloody Mary, I'd just be like "You're doing great sweetie."

I just have to rant about this for a second. After watching the Spanish series Carlos Rey Emperador and now this show my opinion of the Hapsburgs has taken a severe nose dive. I used to think Emperor Charles V helped Catherine of Aragon and Mary as best he could with Henry VIII and the divorce situation but now after doing more research it's pretty obvious he wasn't doing much to assist them at all. He abandoned Catherine to die in exile and the most he ever did for Mary was offer to help her escape England. Leaving permanently just to stay alive in Flanders I believe as the Ambassador offers here. Not cool. Poor Mary no wonder she felt so alone she was. Loved how she told off the Ambassador here.

@Lily1127channel

Жыл бұрын

Well, in Charles's defense, he had 10000 other problems in his own kingdoms, and also with closer relatives than Catherine or Mary. He met them once in his life, they were just one of his many foreign relatives. There was not a moment in Charles's life when there wasn't dozens of problems to solve on his own lands. And if he wanted to deal with other problems abroad to help relatives, he had closer relatives than Catherine and Mary in need of help. His sister Mary was queen of Hungary which was invaded by the Ottomans in the late 1520s. His other sister Isabella lost her throne in Denmark and had to flee. The Ottomans were at the gates of Vienna threatening his brother Ferdinand. There were 100000 problems in Charles's lands, and many many others concerning his relatives closer than Catherine or Mary. And he simply had to consider, as king, whether a war with England was worth it for his own countries. He was always king first and man (nephew/cousin) second. He offered safe passage out of England for both Catherine and Mary, which was I think the most he could do and the utmost any foreign royal nephew or cousin would do in those times. Not to mention that it was Charles's pressure on the pope that never allowed him to let Henry divorce Catherine. Thus the pope's legate never sanctioned the divorce, something which was allowed for other kings with similar cases before (Louis XII of France, etc) with better political background. But because of Charles, Henry was not in a good political position. Charles's troops sacked Rome in 1527 and he put pressure on the pope never to allow the divorce. I think that equals doing a lot for Catherine. Really, what more should Charles have done? And accurate as Carlos rey emperador or this Becoming Elizabeth are, they are not the proper basis for historical judgements, they are just tv shows.

Consider yourself told

Its amazing to me how people with such low bone density think it wise to talk shit to people with a much higher percentage of upper body strength.

@Wadiyatalkinabeet_

Ай бұрын

That bone density and supposedly superior upper body strength didn’t help much when it came to being enslaved though, huh? Go tend to your welfare Jamal.

Queen Mary needs to be focused on more

Do you know if there’s anywhere to watch the Ekaterina prequel about Elizabeth?

@Lily1127channel

Жыл бұрын

Oh I'd die to know that myself

Of course they had to cast some black people

That is one melanated Spaniard. So much for historical accuracy.

@lindsaydrewe8219

2 ай бұрын

Europe was not all lily white, not then, not now

@theprelate4219

2 ай бұрын

@@lindsaydrewe8219 True but it wasn't this tropical freeze either.

@Wadiyatalkinabeet_

Ай бұрын

@@lindsaydrewe8219It certainly wasn’t burnt toast either

Why they have to be so woke? 😕

who is the man she is speaking to? i haven't watched the show

@RohitSingh-ho6fr

3 ай бұрын

Spanish ambassador I think.

@4rtsyval

3 ай бұрын

@@RohitSingh-ho6fr thank you!

@Wadiyatalkinabeet_

Ай бұрын

A fictional character

@4rtsyval

Ай бұрын

@@Wadiyatalkinabeet_ you must be fun at parties

@Wadiyatalkinabeet_

Ай бұрын

@@4rtsyval Can you define “fun” ?

I'm pretty sure Spain did not send black ambassadors to England or that there were any black leaders in Spain at that time. The scene lost all its authenticity when the black actor showed up.

@teaonrainyday888

3 ай бұрын

Precisely what bothered me everytime they forced historical revisionism on a otherwise well made show. They did this same thing even in The Spanish princess casting a black woman as the lady in waiting of COA.Not only is that outrageous they also insulted real spanish men and women who were alive during that time period. Spaniards are darker than western Europeans with dark eyes mostly with the exception of ones with direct western ancestors ex. Catherine of Aragon. However they were not black. So these scenes with attempted revisionism make this show look very ridiculous and appalling to say the least!

@privatecitizen1246

2 ай бұрын

Actually there were plenty of people in that time period who were negro. Take a history class.

@laerwen

2 ай бұрын

The scene lost its authenticity because of the race of an actor? I suspect the problem lies with you, "MuckinFutch". It's fiction.

Queen Mary needs to be focused on more