Even as a Leafs fan, its tough watching the Pens play like this....but at least Pens fans got 3 parades from that group....im 56, turning 57, and the Leafs last won a cup the year i was born....

@shoresy4084

5 ай бұрын

Time to move on to a different team, don’t you wanna watch a team you like win a cup in your lifetime?

@joescott4778

5 ай бұрын

​@@shoresy4084And be a bandwagon fan like you? Nah

@shoresy4084

5 ай бұрын

@@joescott4778 I was a fan for 24 years, I don’t wanna grow old and die without seeing my team win the cup once lmao. It’s called sense

@TurdFerguson92

5 ай бұрын

Good cope, doesnt help that your team stink Btw im not a leafs fan

@businessclank1564

5 ай бұрын

@@shoresy4084I want to guess that you’re a Bruins fan

Sharks fan here. It seemed like Karlsson joining PIT was very similar to when he joined SJ: talented team past it’s prime with an aging roster, not very many prospects, and in denial about a rebuild 😅

@TheBillaro

5 ай бұрын

spot on😊

@joeynash4505

5 ай бұрын

That SJ team was pretty damn good still.

For bonus humiliation, the Flyers might have a shot at a wild card spot if they continue playing how they are, marking the first time since 2006 where the Flyers make the playoffs but the Pens do not

@elliottryan13

5 ай бұрын

OUCH!!!

@slaypool

5 ай бұрын

I love this 🤭

@jamaldee2355

5 ай бұрын

The flyers have been trash so it’s about time loll

@Mulukkis

5 ай бұрын

Flyers are 2nd in Metro, so if they keep playing like they are, they can do better than a wild card spot.

@leoventresca7867

5 ай бұрын

John Tortorella has done a good job in Philadelphia this year

The Leafs not only dominated on the scoreboard but they were by far the tougher team out there tonight.

@coastaku1954

5 ай бұрын

It's amazing hearing someone talking about Toughness and the Leafs

@chrisg1556

5 ай бұрын

Not surprised. They were playing a Kyle Dubas team

@chizorama

5 ай бұрын

That says a lot, I don't even consider the term "physical hockey" to apply to the Penz in any way(yes, I'm a fan).

I’ve been a die hard pens fan for over 15 years, and this is the worst I’ve ever seen them play. It’s a shame that we’re wasting the last few years of our core 3 playing like this. Also, worst mistake this team has made in the last decade was letting Fleury walk to the expansion draft. I really hope they can pull it together, but my hope is starting to run out.

@jamaldee2355

5 ай бұрын

Losing tanev and mike Matheson hurt the penguins as well

@Gaffneydaniel92

5 ай бұрын

Must not have been a die hard fan before the lock out and back in the late 90s early 2000s if you think this season is the worst 😅 I remember sitting at games at the igloo and it was a ghost town

@lesschoenberger3070

5 ай бұрын

@@Gaffneydaniel92 Been a fan since 1975, the mid 80's were even worse...

@Gaffneydaniel92

5 ай бұрын

@@lesschoenberger3070 ahh yeah see I wasn’t born until 88. For fans who came along after Crosby, I’m sure this stings as all they know is winning and playoffs. But for the fans who stuck around through the 90s leading up to Crosbys debut…we know this ain’t the worst of things yet haha

@jamesSmith-fl5wv

5 ай бұрын

We have a core 1 we should not have Letang or malkin.

The team was old and in need of a rebuild. So Dubas decided to go ahead and trade for Karlsson. So now the Pens have a bunch of vets on long term contracts and their prospect pool is garbage. This team is going to be forced into a rebuild whether they want to or not. Every dynasty ends, Father Time is undefeated.

@Cassandra_Solidor

5 ай бұрын

To be fair, I don't think Dubas had much of a choice. It never sounded like Pittsburgh wanted a rebuild. Which is why they brought back Letang and Malkin when they probably should have let at least one of them go.

@krakenspectacor

5 ай бұрын

The team was going to be forced into a rebuild either way. Just a matter of when not if

@MayorRobFord2

5 ай бұрын

trade Karlsson lmao ? Pittsburgh will have to sacrifice the bit of future they don’t even have to do so

@donniedoesdishes

5 ай бұрын

well to be fair he could of got younger players instead of karlsson@@Cassandra_Solidor

I was listening to Joe Bowen's commentary during that game and...Yeah, the pens seemed kinda brutal. They got destroyed, even without the Leafs having Matthews in the lineup. As a Leafs fan, glad our boys won but...yeah. As a couple of side notes, Knies being the first Leafs rookie to get a Gordie Howe Hattrick in over a decade was fun, and the crowd chanting "Dubis! Dubis!" was hilarious.

@HunterMagunter

5 ай бұрын

Yep hilarious that 5 days after leaf fans cried about tavares getting bood they go and do the exact same shit to their ex gm

@-Subtle-

5 ай бұрын

​@HunterMagunter I'd rather have Dubas than Treliving and Shanahan (the idiot who hired Babcock). If Dubas was in Toronto, he'd have added Karlsson and Toronto would be even better.

We aren't shooting enough on the PP. We are turning the puck over at the blue line WAY too much, and there's a vast speed difference between us and pretty much every other team we've played. I know we are an older, if not the oldest team in the NHL but it seems like we are standing still sometimes.

Dubas said he wasn't going to take another job before he was canned. Guy fits the bill for Pens management as of late.

@3flavourscornetto237

5 ай бұрын

ya bro if u said u didn’t wanna leave ur company then got fired you’d never work again?

After playing a lot of franchise mode in CHEL it really seems like Kyle Dubas operates his GM job exactly like playing the game

@ragnarthered6459

5 ай бұрын

Draft schmaft

@megamob5834

5 ай бұрын

So true 😂

It has to be a coaching change at this point. We changed the front office, we overhauled the bottom six, brought in Karlsson. I love Sully and don't necessarily think he's a bad coach, but it's the only thing we can do at this point to get the drastic changes in performance we need.

@Atheos-1

5 ай бұрын

His shelf life in Pittsburgh is expired.

@hurtlocker6611

5 ай бұрын

he will get another job right after he gets fired@@Atheos-1

@Outta-hz1ej

5 ай бұрын

Yes it's the coach's fault that the oldest team in the league with no goaltending sucks

@lixzz9708

5 ай бұрын

Tendys are good @@Outta-hz1ej

@jeremyj8153

5 ай бұрын

I’m from Pittsburgh. This is the most tired take that every pitt franchise has anytime a team isn’t performing. The dude has 2 cups in an 8 year run. Cool it with asking for coach’s heads

Its just time for a rebuild. teams old with no young prospects to come up and help. we're a one line team

Jesus a 7-0 loss is brutal, my god

@pattran3030

5 ай бұрын

Should have been 8-0 and the hockey god was kind to Pittsburgh as Toronto had hit 3 goal posts.

@zephyr9031

5 ай бұрын

Somehow they'll find a way to blame Ron Hextall for this.

@wisemanofsorts6068

5 ай бұрын

​@pattran3030 Leafs actually hit 5 posts. Rielly hit 2, Marner hit 1, Nylander hit 1, and Tavares hit 1.

@chrisg1556

5 ай бұрын

Leafs could've had 10+. Only giving up 7 was lucky for the pens. All this without Matthews playing

I'm a pens fan.... and man oh man this season is rough rough rough.....

as a tampa fan the penguins is probably what we're looking at in 3-4 years time too. an older core with a fringe chance of succes. i think its the kinda situation thats better than it seems. you've had the kind of succes most will never have, you get to watch your legends still light it up while having a chance of making it to the playoffs and getting far. it could be far worse and teams that try the retooling approach often end up in a bad spot like chicago or vancouver thus making it a high risk too

I swear if another coach gets fired before DJ Smith I'll seriously question the Sens management

@prezidentjeff

5 ай бұрын

Especially with Craig Berube on the market now

@darthvader3742

5 ай бұрын

To be honest, I don't get what Ottawa is doing. I get wanting stability and the players liking him, but the NHL is a results oriented business and D.J. Smith and Ottawa are not producing results.

As a Pens fan, this is tough to see. I had such high hopes.

@timhenderson9794

5 ай бұрын

Sorry brother. Dubas will ruin this team.

@trvman1

5 ай бұрын

Crosby will retire at end of his contract in 2025. He knows the team will never win another Cup. THIRD FAILED GM in a row the Pens have hired and getting same results. Pens Owners will never learn.

@rnonty

5 ай бұрын

@@timhenderson9794 hextall already covered that!

@JR-jd3dw

5 ай бұрын

Same here. Let's see what the second half of the season holds.

@user-kt8hf9tx6h

5 ай бұрын

At least you’ve gotten some cups in the past few years. My team has never and probably won’t anytime soon (Preds)

I feel for Pens fans, having suffered through the Dubas era in Toronto.

It was nice to see Martin Jones with the shutout in the Leafs v Pens game.

That bottom six is brutal

Going after Karlsson was a mistake. Father time is undefeated and while Crosby is aging well Letang and Malkin aren't as much. You can see it on the ice.

@honestmovietalk

5 ай бұрын

He's aging well but might still hit that wall next year or the one after that. Same with Malkin. It really does happen overnight, look at poor Ovi lmao

@animaspreston8158

5 ай бұрын

Look at kopitar same Age , playing well

I haven’t missed a game yet this season and like you have watched a lot of pens hockey this season. My opinion, this coaching staff needs to go. The PP is unacceptable despite it picking up the last couple of games and yes Sully brought two cups to Pittsburgh but they are not playing systems well at all. I’d start there and then move to the players. Too good on paper to start moving players before coaches. Let someone else come in and try a different method. We’re already in a bad spot, worst to come of it is more of what we are seeing.

SJ fan here.. Love it, Pit looks to be right on track to give us an 11-15 pick this year, and if not this year than probably a top 10 pick in 2025 instead.

@MooseBruce

5 ай бұрын

Fellow sharks fan here...my thought exactly!!!

@danynumero6

5 ай бұрын

As a Sharks fan, I totally agree. And people were saying somehow that Mike Grier got fleeced from this trade lmao

Maybe the best all around game for the leafs this year start to finish. Final 7- 0 Leafs

First time in Crosby and Malkin, and guentzel and rusts career to not play with Letang on the top PP, and guess what, they didn’t score in like over 30 PP opportunities in a row. Once they figure things out I think the pens will win enough games to make the playoffs

Kyle Dubas running the team, and Erik Karlsson on the blueline. How did anyone thing this would go any differently

The big thing I was surprised you didn't mention: the Pens powerplay. Leafs game aside, if that had been clicking at an expected rate throughput the year, Pens probably in one of the 2 Wild Card spots. Instead, here we are

Dubas should have definitely got the pulse of his new club before he came in and made a massive deal like the Karlson trade. There's no need to push all the chips in your first couple of weeks on the job

I thought for sure you'd include the Leafs fans chanting "Dubas"... dropped the ball on that one dude.

Shouldve never let malkin come back. I wouldve dumped Letang as well. Yes i know Letang puts in a ton of minutes but id of went for some muscle and in front of the net presence. Hornquist was a massive loss for the pens. We need somebody to cause trouble for opposition goaltending.

The Penguins' advanced metrics are actually better than league average, yet their actual production is garbage. Key depth scorers have either been hurt (Rust), or plain old underperforming (Smith). This seems to be impacting the power play, which is currently running at a 13% clip. Compounding this issue is the lack of power play opportunities, a trend that seems to follow all Dubas-run teams.

The Penguins feel a lot like the 2021-2922 Blackhawks. That was the year they brought in Seth Jones and Mark Andre Fleury in order to make another run with their two aging stars. That failed miserably. They also mortgaged away their future in the process. The big difference is that their Kyle came in and ripped off the Band-Aid, by moving on from their stars, and tearing the team down to the studs. At least they're not prolonging the misery the way Pittsburgh seems to be doing. And, I'd rather see Patrick Kane have a shot one more Cup with another team, than watch him wallow on a bad team for the sake of spending his entire career Blackhawk.

@severed111

5 ай бұрын

Is the psychodrama over a week later now? Have Jarry goal like we know he can (3 shutouts, could've had more). It's like it's either all or nothing, and none of this would be happening. Also, he was injured for a while, it's great Nedel is doing the job for the most part, being excellent often, even Hellberg won his start when Jarry was injured, but to me the issue is the many injuries and some issues within the net, Sid is producing as expected, so is Malkin at this age (he's on his way for a point-per-game season, not bad at 37, Guentzel isn't scoring as much, but it's just like roles are reversed between him and Sid this year which is weird, but still going to have a 90 pts season easy. The lot of injuries and the few young guys that should be doing well (Nylander : def not his brother, Sam Poulin, we haven't seen him play much since he was drafted, he's injured in the AHL and last year, he was on leave due to mental health issues, just as he was doing well with Scranton he gets injured, he should be with the team by now). A whole lot of bad luck and I've seen older teams win a stanley cup before with likely a bit less talent (2001-2002 Detroit Red Wings), I think the laws of average will catch up after the Holidays and things will get better, the most costly injured players are back,Rust will be soon and just Rackell makes Malkin's line much more complete, and he will unlock, even Josh Anderson finally unlocked with the Habs. They missed the playoffs by one win last year, I watched that last game of theirs which was all on their hands, slipping away and losing it, it hurt, hence the pride in Sid's play should get contagious and I'm not panicking yet for my second fav team.

Dubas will enjoy himself tearing this down and rebuilding

As a sharks fan, Martin jones loves to shutdown the penguins

You don't become a contender by acquiring one good player. It's a team sport.

@TOCC50

5 ай бұрын

They need to push the goals back to where they were

@tt128556

5 ай бұрын

I wouldn't go as far as call Puljujarvi a good player.

@TheBillaro

5 ай бұрын

dude, dubas acquired about 10 players. stop talking crap

Imo the problem doesnt have much to do with Crosby, Malkin, and Karlsson bc they’re all still playing great. The Letang contract is much worse but he’s still playing well at the moment too so that won’t be an issue for a couple more years. I think the main issues are consistency like you mentioned, but also lack of depth and everyone on the team being injury-prone. The goalies are the biggest inconsistency factor, but imo Karlsson may be part of that problem as well because he increases offense at the cost of defense.

Pens fan. We didn't hire Dubas to win with this Era of the Penguins. Do I want to be competitive and get one last feel good run in? Of course. But the writing is on the wall now. This is the year that everyone is finally "right" about the Pens. They've gotten scammed a few times the past few years. And now everyone is yelling SEE! SEE! I hope Dubas is able to ro what I think he was hired to do and assemble a team from the ground up. Some tough conversations are going to have to be had, but based on what he was able to give the Leafs year in and year out, I'm exited to see what he can do with a blank slate... even if in the short term THIS team makes me want to jump in the lake hah.

Not a Leaf fan and especially not a Pittsburg fan. The Penguins have always been a bunch of crybabies with the biggest crybaby of them all..Crosby. This is great to see.😃👍🏾

I've been a Pens fan all my life. Which included the start of Mario's career, the years they were in the basement, and the glory years of the cups. The team has not even been close to what they were since they let Fleury go. Keeping Murray, over Fleury, was the worse decision the Pens have ever made for as long as I have been watching them.

The Pens have absolutely no defense......at all. The forwards look slow (like men in the 30's). The goalies are actually quite good but when your 'defense' cant hold onto the puck in front of them, or get completely outskated, there is only so much they can do.

Other than Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel, Letang and Karlsson/Jarry…..who the fuck else is even on the rest of the team?? 😵‍💫

Pittsburgh isn’t making the playoffs tbh, they need younger guys that can step it up…

@zephyr9031

5 ай бұрын

That would have worked if they did that three years ago. Too late now.

Well, as a die hard pens fan I gotta accept that even when they suck this bad I still stick with em.

@jamaldee2355

5 ай бұрын

Exactly!!!

just like my Hawks, we had a great run with 3Cups in 6 seasons. nothing lasts forever. they are getting old just like Towes Seabrook Sharp Crawford to name a few....

Sullivan (and Reirden) needs to go. It won't help immediately since they have zero prospects, but he still needs to go.

I think Ned is the best thing for Jarry he’s a good goalie no doubt but it seems like he plays well at his will I think what he needed was internal competition. I think the best thing to do is play Ned for a while let Jarry get put on notice for a goalie that had a really good streak going this is just abysmal going 0-7. Mind you, you could see leafs players diving and drawing penalties obviously bad blood with pens management but still…

Smoking that Kyle dubas pack baby😫😫😭

problem is 20 teams up against the cap, its almost impossible to make a winning trade

I’m amazed Dubas got his first GM gig let alone his second.

The where 🔥🔥🔥but did anyone Sammy looked pissed on the bench asking him self wtf is this I never see this when I am in net. Basically the 3rd goalie just stole the starting job until Woll back

Looks good on Dubas, he pissed on the leaf team trading all the draft picks away, I think he knew exactly what he was doing and left our team without pics. I’m not sorry at all he’s gone, as I’m sure many feel same way. We’ll see him in the Soo coaching again maybe sooner than he expects

@brandonhall9959

5 ай бұрын

I think Dubas is actually a good gm, if we look at pit now Dubas was forced to add instead of trading away the value they have now and rebuilding or at minimum retooling. Crosby was the one who wanted to keep the band together and it's not going great( for now could change). All of the moves made by Dubas on the offseason looked good. Achari is a great bottom 6, Karlsson was a must add for this aging group to get their pp going. Other adds made perfect sense and I'd stand by my logic though again it's not working. Which was always a possibility.

Steelers and Pens disintegrate on the same day. “Black and Blue Saturday.”

watching pens crumble-priceless. next step-tank job 3.0. pens only recourse and they do it well.

Paying the price of being a dynasty for years right now 🤷‍♂️

Pens need to fire Sullivan, so he can coach his son-in-law in Boston again.

I think Dubus acquired more of the kind of players we already had instead of the kind of players we really need. What we needed was better d men and tougher/bigger/stronger players..and some youth..I think the pens are now a half step slow and the tougher teams can just beat them up as usual..I was not in favor of acquiring Karlsson and was in favor of trading Malkin.

@luc0007

5 ай бұрын

Yup. He did the same in Toronto when he signed Tavares for 11 million when we already had Matthews, Nylander, Kadri and marner

@danielpetrucci8952

5 ай бұрын

Welcome to the Dubas show 😂

Pitt looked like the scranton pens out there

I’ve been waiting all day for news they fired Sullivan🤷‍♂️ It’s hilarious cause karlson is playing well: solid points and showing more defensive skills

Kyle Dubious

@TheKingfishspecialist

5 ай бұрын

Yes

Get rid of Sullivan already, he won't change his style, and its not working these days. Teams have figured it out long ago. It's not an 'age' issue.

@kelliemoon2796

5 ай бұрын

Dubas is a players pleaser. Hence the reason he traded for Karlesson to "go" for the cup. Did he really believe Pittsburgh has enough talent to do that? Not likely. This team missed the playoffs last year and brining a one great player does not elevate the team to contend. But as a newcomer, he probably did not have the guts to convey to the stars the team is too old and declining. In the long run, while Dubas is great at picking talents and even assembling a team, he is proven to be a terrible contract negotiator. For the Leafs, he he couldn't say no to the stars and consistently overpayed them resulting in not enough cap left to spend on the bottom six players. The Leafs team Dubas had built was good but not good enough to be successful in the playoffs year after year after year... Very frustrating for the fans.

Jim Rutherford was right . He saw this coming years ago. Too late now.

as bad as they've been, had they won tonight, they would've only been 4 points back from a playoff spot. i dont think it's as messy as it could be. once rakell and rust come back, they'll start gaining ground. just gotta stay afloat until then.

@TheBillaro

5 ай бұрын

rakell hasn't scored yet😂

@ryanmussell739

5 ай бұрын

And if my aunt had nuts, she would be my uncle. Just like the leafs the pens were supposed to be a juggernaut this season. But they are not.

@rnonty

5 ай бұрын

@@ryanmussell739 what planet are you on that said the pens were supposed to be a juggernaut? they're the oldest team in the league lol

@rnonty

5 ай бұрын

@@TheBillaro his production has been brutal, but his defensive game and his forechecking have been sorely missed. he'll break out of his scoring drought.

Brutal watch

You have this Pens roster 3-4 years ago give or take a few people, this is Hands down a cup winner, but alas, this team now is old and can’t finish or prevent enough goals from hitting the back of their net. Even if they somehow turn this around, the constant hard playoff push night after night at their age will cause them to fizzle at the end just like last year.

If they(Dubas) thought Karlsson would be the savior, they(Dubas) should pick another sport.

As an oiler fan… maybe a coaching change… we seem to go through them quite often… but hey whatever works… maybe woodcroft is available lol

Yeah pretty much nobody wants to see the Pens play like that. Although we shouldn’t underrate Martina Jones’s performance last night. It was great.

Fire the coach. Fire Dubas. Trade the core to the Leafs. Start a rebuild. Go Pens Go!

When SJ was hitting the playoffs every year for a decade, it was with unknown players. Players that you, unless you were a SJ fan, never paid attention to. Just because you have big names on your top line doesn't mean your franchise will succeed. That's why the Oilers keep failing, and its why SJ eventually failed. Buy big names for the top line, and the others fumble and lose the games. That's just how it goes in Hockey.

It sucks obviously but I’ve been spoiled watching the penguins win three Stanley cups in the past decade so I’ll Always be loyal even during the hard times!!!🐧🐧🐧

literally the supporting cast has been invisible for two years and idk how you fix that. if rust or rakell or smith get hot it’s a much different game.

Liam O'Brien breakaway goal!!! Did you see that?!?! Let's go!!!

Maybe Dubas should offer Crosby a max contract for 8 years. Actually, fuck it Malkin too

Idk its still early in the year. They go on one big run theyll get in. I dont count teams out untill Valentines day.

Doesn't help with the injuries we've had, we went on this losing streak when nieto, accari, rust, even rakell was still doing stuff to help the play, but it's been a terrible streak, tonight was just lack of depth and defense collapse and goailes probably tired lol. But hopefully they will bounce back, I think they need more speed, we keep getting beat to the puck, some of our lower guys have some speed but a jeff Carter, a zohorna, o connor hasn't been the greatest aswell idk why they see so much in him. I think if we don't make it this year the additional of yager and even Jesse pulijujarvi may help a little bit. But rn just slow and not defensive minded or even on the powerplay my God! I think if they switched the lw and rw and have the left shot on the right so they can shoot it quickly back there, they do dumb shots and rush plays

The Karlsson trade made no sense to me when it happened. It didn't seem like he was the player the team needed. They already have several top end talent veterans on the team. Now they're basically stuck with him. And how has their powerplay been so bad? Didn't they go through like an 0-30 drought?

Last year was no anomaly. The Pens are cooked.

This is what happens when you have zero prospects to work with and have a bunch of big names with no cohesion. I'm not mad, just disappointed. I'm definitely not unhappy with Dubas, the guy has done everything except fire the coaching staff... and I'm thinking more and more that the coaches are not the problem. This team is just past its expiry date and there's not much anyone can do at this point. It sucks for Crosby because he's still one of the best in the league.

The objective is to win the Cup every year. Realistically though there are some teams that know they are not going to win it this year so their objective is to get the team structure in a position that makes it possible for them to be able to transition to that objective as soon as possible. The Penguins are in some weird mind set right now where they are trying to cross their fingers and win through sheer will. It is not going to work and the sooner they realize that the team needs an overhaul the quicker they can get back to making winning the Cup their priority. Right now their priority is to keep the big three together and enhance that longevity record. Now the big question is this: Are the fans in Pittsburgh going to be content with that and go to the games just to see a legend or two or three continue to play or would they rather see a team that can challenge for the Cup? This team is not the latter.

I’ve been a Pens fan since at least 2012. Got introduced to them by playing the EA NHL games and holy shit this is the worst I’ve ever seen the Pens play. I’m still pissed we let Marc-André Fleury walk to the expansion draft. It’s so sad that we’re wasting some of our three greatest players in our franchise to ever play since Jagr and Lemieux. Once Crosby and Malkin retire who’s gonna carry the torch? It’s so sad man.

The only move left for the pens is to fire sully

Looks like it's gonna be a tough stretch for us Penz fans, gonna be even worse when our aging studs retire...

Scooby doesn’t know how to evaluate what a team needs. Everyone could see the Pens needed secondary scoring behind 87, 71, and Guentzel. That 11 million could have gotten them Bertuzzi and Domi. Instead he got a more expensive and far inferior Letang type player in Karlsson.

That $10 million dollar defenseman was a really great idea eh? Sure glad Edmonton didn't add that to cap management headache to the mess they already have. Smh. Should have seen it coming imo.

You know it's rough when he starts recording the video before the game is even over. One thing that I think shouldn't go unsaid, on top of the Pens beginning to reach the end of their current era of success, is that the Leafs have a habit of playing bizarrely good when Matthews is unavailable. Almost like the rest of the team just kicks it into high gear when they know he isn't around to bail them out.

@dw4867

5 ай бұрын

The Leafs play just as good without Matthews because they still have their best player on the ice in Marner. I've been saying it, they should've moved him and filled out the blue line with a couple quality shut down d and maybe grab a solid 2way middle six center if they still had room left for a team better suited for the playoffs. But I'm not a Leafs fan so it makes no difference to me...

As a Sens fan we are also richly talented but too young. The Pens seem to be the opposite. I’d rather be where we are though.

Leafs are just better

Nobody empty’s the cupboards like Dubas.

@TheBillaro

5 ай бұрын

BINGO

GO LEAFS GO!! Sorry to see the Pens playing beyond terrible last night 😮

No no no, its fine, should probably extend some of the oldest guys in the league, we just need to “play the right way”

This team has been deteriorating slowly and last year was no fluke. Time to rebuild but can't move away from their old stars.Trading for Karlsson did not help.

Sullivan should have been gone two years ago, last year at best. He is unwilling to change the way his team plays based on personnel. He is trying to force a speed game with an older, slower roster. Time for him to walk home from a road game so he has time to rethink his strategy.Even Carter is now average in speed on this team. Half the defense think they are forwards. Between Malkin and Letang, they are going to turn the puck over at least 5 times per game between them. Karlsson providse zero defense, the job he is paid to do. Count on him to make some bad turnovers every game as well, then fail to get back on defense. It is no longer a team, just an group of players without a direction or leader.

Did people honestly think adding EK65 to an already aging pens roster would put them over the edge?

Why do they need to retire as Pens? It’s possible that this iteration is over. Are they supposed to keep running it back?

@Cassandra_Solidor

5 ай бұрын

The simple answer? Money. For the casual fanbase, Crosby IS the Pittsburgh Penguins. You can always sell him and the hope of a playoff run to them. It's the same idea Washington's running with. They're selling casual fan the idea of him breaking Gretzky's record, which is working considering the Caps haven't won a series in what, six years?

@vithursan.b

5 ай бұрын

Team will relocate if that happens💀

@rickyaz8640

5 ай бұрын

@@Cassandra_Solidor Fenway Sports Management is not known for being sentimental. Doubt they let this team circle the drain for 3 years then start rebuilding. They are definitely more of a rip-the-bandaid type

the Pens lost by a touchdown, that is embarrassing.

Always comes down to the goalie.

I've been watching hockey long enough and have been a Pens fan since they drafted Mario so i understand this is how every great team ends. We're not winning another Cup without a few younger players carrying the vets. We don't have that and won't have that for a long time. This is a .500 team or maybe slightly above unless the NHL decides to remove the powerplay and we play 5 on 5 all the time.

The Pens looked horrible today. I was at the game and as a Leaf fan it was really fun to watch. It was a great return for Dubas lol!

Pens fan here and ouch. We suck.

How is this a surprise to anyone? Dubas immediately tried to recreate the mistake he made in Toronto by trading for Karlsson to set up a 'core four'. Only, they're all aging over-the-hill players this time. This disaster was *so* predictable.