Going to be that lore nerd guy for a sec. Lore wise the reason nurgle blessed forces take less damage from bolt weapons is that their flesh is so decayed that the round passes through instead of blowing up in the target. Think along the lines of using piercing weapons against skeletons in a fantasy setting and you're not far off. There is a Horus heresy novel in which the Luna Wolves make first contact with chaos forces and have trouble because their weapons just pass right through the reanimated enemy. Thanks for the build, seems fun.

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

I would agree with you except I feel like we have an armor type that describes that level of decay called Infested. Poxwalkers and Pox Hounds and Pox Bursters are the only enemies of that type (though Plague Ogryn seems like it should have it). Dreg Shooters though are mostly still living breathing folks that at most have a few minor boons, some nasty zits, staph infections and feel no pain.

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Also a fellow eldarchad I see.

@maliticus7474

8 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk Oh I fully agree, especially from a game play balance stand point. I was just pointing out there might be a lore based reason the devs made it that way. Most Nurglite forces have super strength, but are rather... viscous in consistency. Though the pox walkers are usually the ones most known for this.

@maliticus7474

8 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk The entire concept of Warp spiders and Harlequins are probably my favorite units in the IP. Reapers are a close second. The intrigue in most stories about Eldar and trying to figure out what they are up to this time is why I love the faction.

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

I've always loved spiders, scorpions and wraith constructs. They have great style and aesthetics.

This just goes to show we NEED a Bolt Pistol to "Convince our allies" to keep up the good fight!

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

YES WE DO

@Robert-fr9wl

7 ай бұрын

Bolt pisty sounds neat.i wanna know how we can fit bolt pisty into darktide😄

@ieatmentoss1714

Ай бұрын

They just announced it

Such at good video! Very eyeopening, i had disregarded the focus keystone almost. Kudos to you and also fatshark, this is why this game keeps me interested :D

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! I'm a huge fan of this keystone and its become my favorite way to play vet. I already go full aggro on zealot so its nice to have something more thoughtful to play sometimes.

I made a minor error in editing this as I went through several iterations of this build over just a few days. The demo footage is from an earlier build where I had Competitive Urge and Confirmed Kill instead of 5% Ranged Damage (tax) and Precision Strikes. I have tested the build I recommend in around 5ish games and I am confident in the accuracy of my arguments here despite my footage error. The footage on Magistrati Oubliette is one such game where I do not run confirmed kill. It is featured throughout my discussion at 05:19.

@nickjean3350

8 ай бұрын

Unless the wording is wrong focus target does not increase your damage, it only increases the damage the target takes. In which case that 4-32% bonus applies to your allies hitting that target as well. I have no one to test this with though so I could be wrong. But word for word the skill says, " Causes them to take 4% more damage per stack." meaning if that is true then that is a massive boost to the party and not just you. Plus the other boosts.

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

That is correct. The other buff is a team damage increase that also impacts you. But the point is it also impacts you. People were treating it earlier on like some weak buff, but its honestly a lot for everyone which is pretty strong. A lot of games you can really feel it if you know your kits and their breakpoints well. You get kills that surprise you. @@nickjean3350

had something similiar i cooked up but wasnt all too happy with it, tried yours and now it's one of my favourites. thanks mate!

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Happy you are enjoying it! It took a few tries to get right for sure.

I love this. I’ve been frustrated with how squishy vet feels (zealot main) thanks for the build

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Thats a big mood for me too.

I’ve been using a similar build with my vet, boltgun and chainsword included. Very fun but mine felt like it needed more refinement. Yours seems much better, I’ll definitely give it a go. Ty for the build guide

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Mines been through about 3 iterations. Another option would be to losen its grip on hardlining support and try to grab more ammo on the left tree.

God I want a commissar coat to go along with that hat… Great build. Always love seeing the bolters and revolvers get some love.

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Me too! The coat we have is just ok and too short!

Been looking for a build that uses this keystone, as it looked like it had potential when leveraged properly. Ill be giving it a crack! Great job mate!

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Cheers! Let me know how it goes!

Even 7 months later, trying a slightly modified version of this loadout made me fall in love with the Bolter. Its alleviation of the bolter's main downsides really helps it become an absolute force of nature even in the latest patches

Very blessed, I appreciate the in depth mechanical knowledge on tag, didn't know any of that.

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Happy to provide something useful!

Would love to try you playing this build in a team where I don't choose toughness talents personally and rely more heavily on you for that regeneration. See if it viably frees up talent space for more damage.

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Let's make that happen. Sounds very fun to try.

I love this build! tried it out yesterday and although I feel personally nerfed on average, there is a clear benefit to the team and the runs are feeling almost like guaranteed wins!

@Reginald-sc9tk

7 ай бұрын

I am glad you enjoyed it. I'm sure it could be easily tweaked if you prefere plasma but the bolter does have some advantages as a quick safety reset button.

I'm always drawn to the middle end-track for vet. Iron will, rending strikes, tactical awareness are just so versatile!

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

100% its great. I like the middle tree.

@vladydaddy9116

6 ай бұрын

Iron will is so good. I take alot of the early replenish toughness passives just to keep it active

This build is absolutely beastly, thanks! Used your build tonight but my weapons weren't the same (power sword VI w/ power cycler + brutal momentum and plasma w/ gets hot + blaze away). Think I only charged the secondary on the plasma like twice. I know Rending Strikes prob was mostly useless for this combo when powered but the PS VI with BM + Rending & Precision Strikes was great on hordes when cycler ran out. Didn't feel like I needed to power the sword until a special or elite wandered in range. The build was so strong, my team got drunk with power and pushed a bad area too hard. I was reloading and behind them so I couldn't do anything in the few seconds that 20 ragers, 4 crushers and a horde of groaners swarmed them from a side door. I REALLY wished for that bolter when they started to charge me (grenades weren't enough).

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Sounds like a fun game! Its always a blast to lose to a big nasty spawn like that.

Also another note, at 12:15, you reapply the stacks if you have more than 4 regardless of how many stacks the target has on him, (tested on demon host in psykanium) but yes, there is a hidden mechanic there, that prevents you form loosing your stacks if you spam ping on the same guy

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for testing. I was able to confirm in some of my unpublished footage another detail on stacks which is that it only gives you +1 on kill from 0-1 but at 2 it does not. Furthermore I found some toughness gen happening on kill for me and other players so the effect is there for sure.

@kommissarantilus3742

8 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk i've just played a cuple of games, target down is still not working for me but i'll keep testing it to be extra sure its bad, the worst thing about it is that i notice that i don't have confirmed kill when i need it most redirect fire is pretty good instead, its always up and when its not you would already have matured enough stacks to just get the full bonus at the first taggable enemy, so you just play and not think about it making it one of the best keystone mods if you spam the tag accordingly you get consistent +12% + 8%, which is very good to meet the breaking points on a hard hitting weapon like the bolter, it makes marksman focus completely obsolete from this point of view with the secondary keybind mod you can make it so that when you shoot you always tag what you are shooting at, i havn't tried it yet but i'm exited to see if i can make it work of course the best thing about your build is to have volley adept back

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

@@kommissarantilus3742 I can confirm that, at least in the psychaneum, target down works. But that doesn't mean its enough sustain in all cases. Confirmed Kill is better due to passive generation after the fact. But saving the points is valuable in my book.

@kommissarantilus3742

8 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk you went charismatic, you can just trade target down for confirmed kill with ''not working for me'' i mean its not getting me benefits anyway near close to confirmed kill

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

I actually ditched both nodes and am using +10% extra melee damage. @@kommissarantilus3742

I built something similar for my normal Vet build but with krak and damage coherency. Then was forced to refine it closer to your build (shredder nades and scavenger + other nitpicks) for Karnak Twins Damnation Hardmode. Very good even for me who only has 60~ hours ingame at the time of this comment

@redsnowleopard

7 ай бұрын

Little thing to note, I use the Fire shotgun and mk 8 Combat Axe

@Reginald-sc9tk

7 ай бұрын

Its a simple and strong build using some of vet's best features. Another good option is to spend some points getting trench fighter on top of the focus target keystone.

boltgun is so satisfying 😫

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Yes, yes it is

This is exactly my build. I could not believe someone made a build identical to what I have the only difference is I use PLASMA GUN and a Powersword. I might try Bolter.

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

I originally crafted it with plasma then changed it up to be bolter for fun

if you get the mercy killer blessing on a knife it lets you in on the know about something REALLY handy. Bleed stacks on a target make that target completely a weakspot - everytime. SSSSSSSoooooooooooooooooo if you take the serrated blade perk , you place 1 bleed stack on every melee swing. Thereby making that 30% weakspot damage a flat buff to your melee aswell. (- keep your eyes out for shovels when your looking for perfect gear for this trick - as they can roll a blessing that gives around 160-180 weakspot damage for 3 seconds on pushing with your melee weapon -)

@Reginald-sc9tk

7 ай бұрын

As far as me and the lads can tell this does not work. But I appreciate your investigations.

Been running similar build for some time, can confirm: it works. Pure shooty Vet also works, but worse than weapon-swap one. I'd say Vet can still put up some fight even post nerf, but dominating scoreboard become much harder, and results usually surpass competent teammates by a noticeably smaller margin. And I'm Vet main since launch. I can't help but feel like I'm playing watered down Relic Zealot or Gunlugger. And don't even get me started with Psykers. Forget "dominating" anything, I have to lean forward in my gaming chair just to keep up with a competent Psyker player! One of my gaming buddies who got into the game recently once said that he doesn't feel like playing Vet anymore because he feels like a burden to the team because everyone else can do what he does, but better and with less time spent taking dirtnap. Some of that could be attributed to relatively low amount of experience, but I think this encapsulates main problem perfectly: Vet's not bad, it's just everyone else are better and can do more or less the same with much lower risks. Also the talent trees! Any other class has a compact tree that allows you to build a skeleton with ~20-22 talents, and then branch out to side routes and grab good stuff. Yes, you can't have it all, but you can have a lot of it. Whereas Veteran's tree requires pretty much all 30 points to just build that barebones skeleton of workable build. I would really love to see all those +1Stamina nodes to disappear and several other stat nodes just rolled together.

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

People underestimate the value of stamina. But I think I'd like to see a compression of tax nodes. The padding in the vet tree really hurts it. Good psyker builds are just so much more powerful than good vet builds too. Ogryn is eating good too but he's not super popular so its not surprising that he's not catching as much attention. As a zealot main I feel he didn't move too much unless you run martyrdom but I like playing him still. And yeah. Vet is just....eh? I hope for changes patch 15.2.

@demetrionthered925

8 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk Oh, I value stamina, but in form of +3 Curio, not +1 node in bloody inconvenient place of already awkward tree. I wouldn't be so pissed about it if not for "two points short" syndrome.

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

TWO POINTS SHORT@@demetrionthered925

gonna try that later because I miss my bolter. btw I got ping on left mouse button with attack so im pinging all the time :)

@Reginald-sc9tk

7 ай бұрын

Glad you like it! But that's a bad way to manage your pings. It causes ping fatigue for everyone. Best to bind it to an easy to hit button so you can always be pinging key targets and maximizing stacks.

Well my reload speed is pretty quick I have pinning fire and inspiring barage on the one I running right now with all the reload perks I just wait till I have 1 round and then start reloading takes about 1 second but this works too I personally prefer the energy sword over the chainsword just because the energy sword let's me move around easier in hordes I've got power cycles and brutal momentum on it so it just obliterates Lola's long as I only hit heads which I usually do

@Reginald-sc9tk

7 ай бұрын

Power sword is the most effective weapon on Vet for sure. But I just like the aesthetics of chainsword.

*Regarding the start of the video:* I may be mis-remembering, but I think one of the reasons newer players like myself would prefer the Plasma Gun (despite the Plasma Gun still being glitched) over the Boltgun is ammo efficiency. I.e. While both have disgustingly long reloads, you can fire for longer with the plasma gun between those reloads. Very interesting build nonetheless.

@Reginald-sc9tk

5 ай бұрын

thats definitely a good reason. The other is its flat out a better weapon. But IMO its a plasma gun so thats just fine. Plus it has a much large base mag size allowing longer durations of uptime even accounting for over heat. Its worth noting that the plasma gun has a staged reload that can be sprint canceled at like 3 or 4 points thus heavily reducing the reload duration.

Nice build. I dislike the keystone when they first dropped but i grew to like them more and more each day. Especially the marksman one.. its really not bad when you actually record the gameplay ans see how it works. My only issue is the keystones being so far low on the skill tree.

@galahadvangraff6883

8 ай бұрын

I think some nodes in veterans tree just need some consolidating and some slight changes. I personally would like the tree to be less long. I would like "Exhilarating Takedown" now count for all weakspot kills not just ranged just nerf the numbers a bit to compensate.

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

I haven't been able to get marksman's focus to work for me. I like the other two. Still experimenting when I have time.

@Nheom

8 ай бұрын

​@@Reginald-sc9tkmarksman focus is ass moving sliding walking removes the buff weakpoint hit let you keep the buff for 1 sec while weakpoint kills let you keep it for 3 sec this seem so awkward cause standing still in darktide is like a death sentence. This might only be useable for a Las gun or auto gun. Still a wack keystone for trying to make you stand still and shoot

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

I find that part not to be the problem. I hit heads often enough I can keep stacks when the fight is busy and I only lose them when the fight is slow. The problem I have is that I can't seem to find a weapon where it really feeeels impactful. I do think the no moving mechanic is a bad mechanic. @@Nheom

would you say the 8 stack perk is worth the investment if the average ping is 2-3?

@Reginald-sc9tk

6 ай бұрын

Well: 2-3 is actually the minimum ping. You're more likely to get 3-4. But it also buffs Redirect Fire so it sits at 8 instead of 5. So the long duration buff against all targets becomes 12% instead of 7.5%. Thats a pretty big jump + you can always save up for big 8 stacks on monstrosities when you know their spawn locations.

Sounds like the Veteran Sharpspotter build

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

I SEE IT, YOU KILL IT. IM BUSY RELOADING

Get the weapon customisation mod mate ... red dot on the bolter alone is worth it autoguns and all the rest are way better with the good sights .

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

I have it. But haven't patched it since 15 dropped.

@michaelhuskey1659

8 ай бұрын

What's the mod called exaxtly

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Weapon customization. Only available by direct download zip from the modding discord. Install at your own risk. @@michaelhuskey1659

question, why not use bloodletter? you use it on your chain axe so why not on chain sword?

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

In this case the weapon is being used to support me in clearing hordes and as a backup for elites. Whereas my chain axe is a primary weapon for my zealot and for my vet I an theoretically using it defensively against hordes and mostly to snipe elites for ammo. The bolter can handle what I would normally use bloodletter for.

@kommissarantilus3742

8 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk hes got a good point though, you also put in the video your fight with the plague ogryn, you could proc bloodletter so well on him with all those special attacks

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Of course i could, and it would be strong if I did, but in the majority case I am favoring mag dumping my bolter instead and the only reason I couldn't do so here was being entirely cornered so there was no where to maneuver to get advantage. In this build with its tendency to force me into front line fighting against hordes I favor savage sweep even though rampage adds +cleave, as the 200% cleave advantage provides a lot of extra utility against groups. @@kommissarantilus3742

just wish you could have a sword and pistol in each hand :(

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Four weapons at once seems pretty intense but I support you brother.

I hate that I missed the commisar cosmetic thing

@Reginald-sc9tk

7 ай бұрын

I am sure it'll come around again. Everything else has.

@SlothyTheDemon

7 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk yea but sadly it only rotates every 2 weeks, idk why they won't just put everything in the store, well prob so you feel like you have to buy it

isnt charismatic only for your aura node, not coherency or anything else?

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

I haven't rigerously tested it, but presumably the way it would be architected is that coherency is a radius around the character's origin. So I would assume all "coherency" based effects are applied based on the radius.

@monkfishy6348

8 ай бұрын

It is only for the Aura node.

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

That's actually awful. But you are correct on more thorough review. Charismatic only effects the Aura. I will be ditching this for some other talent I guess. Probably 10% melee damage. @@monkfishy6348

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

We got together a team of crack experts - Charismatic effects your coherency radius. Its 10m by default and 15m with Charismatic. It also daisy chains between members of the party so you can be strung out in a line and everyone can get the buffs. @@monkfishy6348

@vladydaddy9116

6 ай бұрын

So your recommendation is to keep it? I feel I get more confirmed kills with it on. I use lots of replenish toughness for others in coherency passives too

Also, stupid question, I have been playing the game since release but I have no idea how you (and other youtubers) are at levels in the hundreds?? Please can someone tell me what I missed, is it a mod?

@Reginald-sc9tk

7 ай бұрын

Its a mod on Nexus Mods called Truelevel

Bro i was seriously just thinking (after playing my vet last night) i wonder if Reginald has any new vet builds. Haha😂

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Who knew my timing would be so flawless?

@Cederlof_Ink

8 ай бұрын

@Reginald-sc9tk perfection 🤣 imma give this one a go tonight! Looks fun. I haven't tried the tagging skill yet, been addicted to my voice of command with marksman keystone using hellbore mk2 (love the bayonette stab on that thing). of course, using krieg cosmetic lol.

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Bayonet is extremely fun. This can easily be tweaked a touch to use plasma too, just ditch the reload skill and tax node and find something else good on the talent tree. @@Cederlof_Ink

@Cederlof_Ink

8 ай бұрын

@Reginald-sc9tk I'll give it a go with bolter as plasma is so overused at this point haha. And yeah putting the bayonette down is tough. I'm sad I missed out on the commisar cosmetics haha

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

GL let me know how it goes for ya. @@Cederlof_Ink

So Focus Fire is bugged right now? As you point out, every time you tag an enemy and kill them while at 1 stack, you immediately gain 1 stack. Ignoring the 2 second stack timer. I'm not sure I would still take Redirect Fire and Focused Fire (especially Focused Fire). In your demo for example, you only went above 5 stacks twice, both times you applied more than 5 stacks on an enemy which would have died just as fast had you applied 5 or fewer stacks. Although I appreciate Focused Fire also allows you to reach 8 stacks of Redirect Fire (I think?), is that potential extra 5% damage, at 8 stacks worth the talent point? And in the case of Redirect Fire, I feel like it's just causing pointless overkill damage a lot. At least in my testing it was.

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Redirect Fire comes up literally every time you kill someone with a tag. I can't see how near permanent 12% damage for you and any nearby team mate is situational (that stacks with the ping). Focused Fire is definitely more situational if you don't take redirect fire, but if you do its worth while.

Is this still the same with new update or are you gonna make an updated version later on?

@Reginald-sc9tk

7 ай бұрын

Its similar but I need to update it.

@squeegs3409

7 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk Cool! This is my favorite vet build so hopefully the skill rework makes it even better

@Reginald-sc9tk

7 ай бұрын

It does! @@squeegs3409

@Reginald-sc9tk

7 ай бұрын

The build has been updated, just follow the link in the description. @@squeegs3409

@squeegs3409

2 күн бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk little late but thank you!

Where did you get that hat?

@Reginald-sc9tk

7 ай бұрын

Fomoshop

Me gusta

@Reginald-sc9tk

6 ай бұрын

Glad you like it!

i saw that first video name and it was better. and im just reading the gregor eisenhorn books 😂

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Its always hard figuring out what will get traction. I don't do this for money but I kinda enjoy likes and comments lmao

Focus target is better than people make it out to be. Vet's problem imo isnt the keystones, it's the horrible tree layout. Although the marksman keystone needs work

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

So far I agree

5:00 ''just a touch more reach''?? It hit the mf in the BACK

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

That's just my double healthbars funny business from having healthbars mod turned on.

We need bolt pistol and commissar sword

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Could not possibly agree more

Ummmmm where can I get that 🎩

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Paid cosmetic, just wait for it to rotate in

What Skin is that?

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Commissar skin. Should be in rotation again sometime soon.

I rewatched the video like 3 times trying to catch the part where you did regen your missing thougness with Target Down!, to then realize you were playing with Confirmed Kill all along, that's cheating, and is that a competitive urge proc at 14:30? I'll trust your word though, i'll try target down anyways and see how many times it manage to get me some thougness back, so far its 0 times, but i've only tried it one mission worst thing that can happen is that i got baited

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

I have a few pieces of footage in here where I cut in some of my earlier versions of this build because the only difference was dropping Confirmed Kill and Competitive Urge for a tax node and Precision Strikes. This is a minimal gameplay difference. I guess I didn't really notice that my demo footage was before I cut this from my talent pool. I'll pin a comment about it.

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

The footage at 5:19 onwards on magistrati oubliette is one game where I did not run confirmed kill.

@kommissarantilus3742

8 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk yes, then you got your thougness back with the zealot chorus, anyways i'm not going to cherry pick on this one, i get you played many games before showing your final build, its not what i usually do so i will try it, with the chainsword aswell (but with bloodletter hehe)

Yet another build stolen and improved by Reginald. I swear, the past 3 times I've felt out a build that seemed pretty fun and worked surprisingly well, you've eventually post up a video with a calculated and refined version. Not that I'm complaining mind you! I at least know my intuition is on the right track and I get to try your build without too much weapon re-tuning. Can confirm from pre-playing my proto-build of this, It's a fun playstyle!

@astrovarius543

8 ай бұрын

I kinda think of this as the "True Commissar" build (if only we had a bolt pistol) because of the tagging, voice of command, and various team support elements.

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

I feel exactly the same. I will say build diversity isn't really that high with these trees. They're really nice to use and play with but its not like mixing and matching some minor passives and a single keystone and ability is ever going to really be that crazy in combinatrix land. So I suspect a lot of people come to very similar concepts very quick. That's why it to get my builds out fast. Bolt pistol someday soon we hope

They NEED to reduce the time it takes to pull this thing out. It's ridiculously slow, and this is a fast paced game especially in the higher difficulties.

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

No, they need to increase its bodyshot and limbshot damage and improve its breakpoints. A powerful weapon can be unwieldy. A mediocre weapon cannot.

can i use the power sword instead for this build?

@Reginald-sc9tk

8 ай бұрын

Nothing is stopping you, it'll work fine. I just find PS boring.