To try everything Brilliant has to offer-free-for a full 30 days, visit brilliant.org/Wolfgang/ . The first 200 of you will get 20% off Brilliant’s annual premium subscription. Correction: The Ryzen 3600 die shot at 3:30 has the "IO" and "CCX" labels swapped (thanks @Weyzar !) ASPM Tuning Script: gist.github.com/baybal/b499fc5811a7073df0c03ab8da4be904 Needs to be changed according to your PCIe devices before running! Use this command to see what devices support ASPM: sudo lspci -vv | awk '/ASPM/{print $0}' RS= | grep --color -P '(^[a-z0-9:.]+|ASPM )'

@shulenkov

10 ай бұрын

When you've started sponsored block I thought you gonna tell us about your addiction))). Maybe it was the tone, or the music, or something else, but It was unexpected)) No offense please, I really like what you do.

Awesome, I love the fact that you can focus on getting the most out of your money, and not blasting a hole in the wallet.

@marcinneuman8283

10 ай бұрын

yea! mee too - it made me thinking I should reuse an old haswell pc I have laying around - maybe it will use a bit more in idle than my current ASROCK j3455 , but it will cost me nothing, so...

@Mr.TonTop

10 ай бұрын

Have you guys really seen his video? He's buying part after part with almost no (power) improvement. Nice for testing and making a YT video, but how well is that as an investment?

@WolfgangsChannel

10 ай бұрын

Almost as though 'testing and making a YT video' is the whole point 😉

@marcinneuman8283

10 ай бұрын

​@@Mr.TonTop Exactly why I subscribed :D

@Strohann501

10 ай бұрын

@@marcinneuman8283but probably has more juice :)

Benchmarks I'd like to see for this system, and the others as well are; 1. ZFS resilvering. (use some standardized drive size and layout like 3-wide z1 of some cheap 4tb drives or whatever you can get your hand on.) 2. Your typical DB & FS benchmarks, Seq. I/O, Rand. I/O and such. 3. In general also displaying the benchmarks of all previous builds alongside the current results with perf/W and perf/$

I just love your budget friendly videos and the amount of effort you put in those, that's really inspiring me to try to this as well at home.

I love your channel. It got me hyped enough to fix my data chaos and now I'm almost done with my take on a NAS build based on the N5105 motherboard. I'll definitely stay tuned for that N100 video as this could be the perfect board for my off-site backup in a different city. Keep it up!

@namesurname4666

10 ай бұрын

same, are you using picopsu or you found the power supply?

@uploadfreak7

10 ай бұрын

@@namesurname4666 I used the 850W instead because it was available at a discount on Amazon the time I looked for parts. Its Efficiency is most likely worse but nothing too crazy. Whenever there is a better PSU for my system with less wattage I'll swap it and use the 850W on my modified PS4 Pro.

@H4GRlD

8 ай бұрын

I'm also debating whether to build my first nas around N100. Seeing dirt cheap deals on embedded motherboards.

Great video, always looking forward to seeing these when they come out.

Thank you for your clarity on your videos, greetings from Switzerland 😉

Fantastic Video as always. For your Question. A geat benchmark for a home server is fileflows. It transcodes videos in the "Archive" using so called flows. The best part is that it is super easy to switch between software and hardware transcode. and in contrast to tdarr and similar projects priorizes quality over speed. In My experience a transcode to HEVC on GPU is a great test of the overall CPU power.

I cannot like this video enough, I feel like I learned so much! The laptop charger as PSU is nuts!!

I really enjoy videos like this, thanks! I recently found your channel and used what I learned to retool my Minecraft server and brought it from 20 watts down to 10 watts while players are logged in and playing! That might be a cool video for you to tackle since it is a light duty 24/7 use case and oddly just wants tons of RAM and a *fast* single core to keep the game loop running at 20 ticks per second. I picked Intel G3258 since they are so cheap and can easily overclock to 4.0GHz. I just bought two off eBay for $9 each and got it up to 4.0GHz stable and it barely touched my idle power draw!!!

@M4XD4B0ZZ

2 ай бұрын

Actually impressive

I dont have server at house yet, but I'm heading this way. I find your work of building energy efficient way very inspiring. Thanks! 🙂

Interesting to watch! Thanks!

Thx for your informative breakdown! I'm currently waiting for my Asrock N100M for my first ever NAS so I'm looking forward to your video with the ITX version.

Didn't expect less than 20W for that build, great! Waiting for the new video about the n100

Thanks Wolfgang, I rarely miss your videos, always super interesting. Especially like the homeserver stuff. This rig looks like a great deal, however involves a lot of tinkering. What do you make of the recent-ish (or older even) mini-pcs like Optiplex and the like ?

@WolfgangsChannel

10 ай бұрын

No tinkering required - the pre-built can be used as is. All the tinkering that I did was optional :)

@legendaryz_ch

10 ай бұрын

I got myself a minisforum UM790Pro mini pc as my home server solution. it idles at 8-9 watts and is extremely powerful and super silent at the same time... in general the lenovo tiny pcs aren't that great for anything storage related since they only have 1 sata and 1 nvme I believe. otherwise cheap but they're also kind of noisy sometimes.

Hi Wolfgang, love your channel man. Keep the good shit coming!

Something to note about those FSP (Fortron) blocks. They can do a lot. If such a unit as your is still in good condition, it operates well when loaded at 80% or more. How long will it keep working under heavy load is questionable, since these are old blocks, but from what I have seen, these are very stable, relatively realiable units, with protections and stuff. Anyone interested, look at how many stickers they have next to the main one. The more the better. I have yet to see one with an 80+ rating.

Good vid. Where do i find instructions on how to install the AMD P-State EPP drivers for Linux 6.3 as i want to improve efficiency on my Proxmox 8 server? You also mentioned enabling aspm for all pcie devices- i already have aspm enabled in bios, do i need to do additional configs in the Linux system?

the last few videos have been wornderful, thank you for the amazing content. Looking forward to N305 motherboards!

I’d love to see what power draw and usability on something like using it for frigate on home assistant, with and without a Coral.

Good video. Good information. Thanks

That was a very interesting video. Great to see video with energy efficiency in focus. Looking forward to see yuour next video on this topic.

Running a server with ryzen 3600, 2x16gb 2600mhz, 1 nvme, 2 sata ssd, 2 HDD and a 1080ti. When the HDD are spin down, the consumption to wall is 52w. I leave a windows VM with passthrough for the 1080ti because I think this consume less power than leaving it off. Could switching the 3600 for the 4650g reduce the idle consumption? Also could you explain more about the amd P-state EPP for a proxmox server? Thanks for your great videos

a while a go i saw a kit with ram mainboard and cpu for 300€ would you recommend buying this? it includes a asus B550M-A, 16gb, 3200mhz ddr4. Ryzen 7 5700G (8x 3,8GHz) along with an boxed amd cooler. ive been thinking a while about it now but im unsure if it sucks back a huge amount of power as im currently running 2 raspberry pis 1 laptop 24/7 and my pc along with it which is pretty expensive already and it would remove both my laptop and one of the pis

Отличное видео! Отдельное спасибо за субтитры) Тоже присматриваюсь к amd из за поддержки ecc памяти и его работы на большинстве десктопных плат. Думал вам про них написать, а тут ваше видео вышло) Вообще еще интересны процессоры PRO 5650G (в два раза больше кэш, архитектура cezanne) или варианты 4c\8t, некоторые из них реально купить oem (80-100$)

Does the SSD cluster get airflow? I did something similar and they were pretty toasty.

Impressive video. Do you have any intentions to create a budget machine tailored for TensorFlow JS training and inference? I'm referring to a system with a sensible power consumption, without breaking a bank, and incorporating clever strategies for acquiring the necessary components - essentially, your typical approach.

Nice video. It would be nice if you leave description info about what you mentioned in video - like link to lost of CPU with support ECC memory and what M.2-SATA controller do you use

That's nice to see, but I was wondering, do you have video on the smart plugs and setup you use for them? I was looking into it but I couldn't get a good video on them from EU users.

I like your low power builds. It insipred me to build a homserver out of a Asrock Desk Mini x300. I did 3D print a modified housing (printables x300 case) in order to add the thick 5TB 2.5" HDD. I do not need more disk space. I picked a Ryzen 5600G and switched the power supply to a GaN 65W usb c one. So the board gets 20V (instead of 19) through usb c power delivery. Pretty cool! I actually did not measure the power consumtion yet. But I will do a research about your mentioned power top tricks. I remember the power draw to fairly under 15W but don't remember if the drives were connected. Once I found time to measure the power consumtion, I can let you know. The N100 build will be alse pretty decent and might be way under 10W with 2 HDD drives.

@darekmistrz4364

10 ай бұрын

How are you powering a PC with USB-C?

@ivansorokin2199

10 ай бұрын

Nice! I'm actually running Asrock Desk Mini x300 + 5600G + 1TB SSD and I'm getting as low as 8w on the default PSU, although it was a stock Debian with nothing running and nothing was connected to it, except LAN cable.

@marcschneider7338

10 ай бұрын

@@darekmistrz4364 This is quiet easy. Check out "USB Power Delivery". Basicly the protocol supports different Voltages like 5V, 9V, 12V, 15 and 20V. The laptops and barebone pc's often demand about 19V, altough some might desire 12V. The IC (integrated circuit) on those boards do support a larger input voltage range. Let's say 16 - 24V. They will regulate the voltage to their needs afterwards. So if you feed the Asrock X300 with 20V instead of 19V, there is absolutely no Problem. The charger needs to support power delivery. If I remember correctly, the charger try all different voltages until the client (the Asrock X300) is satisfied. Or the client directly tells the charger what voltage it wants. So I only had to buy a USB C to 5.5mm cable from china. He explains electronics very well and it might help you understand USB Power Delivery kzread.info/dash/bejne/gat1vNODZNrWeso.html

@marcschneider7338

10 ай бұрын

@@ivansorokin2199Ah dude, so now I must measure my system today. I will post it here.

@leoncryp8182

10 ай бұрын

Power it via USB-C ? did you just mod/buy a cable from usb to 5.5mm barrow jack?

currently my nas consist of a i5 4460 , the ultra efficient 400w psu you talked about and a bunch of 2.5 inch ssd running on windows 10 file share + jellifinn . i have a r 7 1770 in my rig and was thinking to upgrade , shuld i put the 1700 on a nas whit a tiny gpu ? i got a gtx 620 for free so i was wondering , maybe undervolting the r7 and put it in the nas ? what do you think ?

Would love a video on must-haves/must-knows for home assistant

Vídeo incrível com muitos esclarecimentos sobre todos os aspectos envolvidos. Muito obrigado

love the low power stuff. using an old i5-6500 with ASRock H110M-ITX MB draws 30 watt idle. for nas and plex, you inspire me to try to get somthing better/ more powerful and stil low watt. wondering what i should replace it with :)

I have a Supermicro 846 what would you do to upgrade that system to use less power and keep the chassis? Preferably AMD Ryzen processors. TIA

Is it worthwhile using an AM4 X370m motherboard as a cheap server - or sis it better to upgrade? Currently has a R5 2400G on it...

Can we have more info on the software to use?

Is that N100 video you was working on coming any time soon? I am really interested in that platform.

Brilliant video!

what do you think about making the server psu even more efficient by using a USB PD GaN charger with a pico psu and a "USB Type-C to DC 5.5 Adapter Cable PD Charging Cord 19V", been thinking about doing this for a long time and GaN is more efficient that the traditional power supply technologies we used.

I am now searching for a used system for a powerful but low power NAS/VM server. I haven't been able to find a smiliary system on Ebay in the USA with a MiniATX MB that I can move into a NAS Case. Do you have a reccomendation for how old of a Xeon or Core CPU we should buy and which to avoid? Currently my search for XEON is 2018 or newer and for CORE it is 8th Gen or newer. They must have the two virtualization features, a TDP of 50w max, and at least a 2.2Ghz base clock. The CORE processors also must have on board GPU so I don't waist a PCI slot on video. Does that make sense? I am curious as to what the criteria is for excluding the older models.

Does the main board and bios support pci bifurcation 4x/4x/4x/4x.? Searching for something to put a 4xm2 pcie card.

Hi! do you have any video recommendation for setting up a personal cloud with nextcloud?

Hi, I'm looking for a NAS for personal storage (4 to 8TB max), but mostly for running Ollama and an AI model on a NAS. Have you tried using it for that purpose?

Amazing video!

I got a r7 pro 4750ge (35w) used for cheap. Which Board would you suggest regarding power efficiency ?

How would this system run a virtual macOS within Proxmox passing through the GPU?

Approx at the end, it was mentioned a new video with the asrock N100 motherboard. Has been published such video?

Bro I have that same motherboard in my PC. It makes up more than a third of the price of your prebuilt, so that was a really solid deal!

Hi Wolfgang, if you have the time, could you check in the Bios, of the Board, if the 4650G has 4x4x4x4 Bifrucation on the x16 PCIe Slot, or only 8x4x4, like all other AM4 AMD CPU. I can't find any anything on the Internet... Vielen Dank im Voraus ;) Mark

Great video as always, can you tell me what terminal font you are using, I really like it.

@0xshaheen

10 ай бұрын

never mind I found a video on the channel dedicated to this font

I'm waiting for N100 based NAS test. I'm also curious how behave N300 and N305, but sadly motherboards with these specific chips are not available yet.

@leviathanx0815

10 ай бұрын

Dunno why you almost find nothing about N100 systems either. The all-in-one boards are available und the price is mighty fine in my opinion. I got me an Asrock N100M uATX for my server as it is a board which supports 32 GiB RAM. It is running multiple docker containers (pi-hole among other things), a webserver with nextcloud, as well as a samba and a maria instance... It breaks no sweat... My very old i7 36xx was much less responsive than this N100 CPU. But, you should just add an active fan onto the cooler as this thing can go up to 80-90°C when under full boost. With an average 60mm fan, you will get around 40°C idle and maybe up to 60°C load. A nice case to combine it with, is the Chieftech IX-06B and its special PSU (you need to buy both, a regular PSU won't fit). This is a bench upload from me, geekbench -> v6/cpu/1573133 I am actually pretty pleased with it.

Hey! I am doing sth similar! I am running a 2200g in my proxmox server. ~25 w tdp, cooled via a passive cpu cooler and a gpu which i passthrough to a lxc container for my jellyfin server! ❤

i was in the process of building a similar system but due to space limitation, i bought a terramaster. it idles at 15watts compared to my previous NAS which was 22-25watts. of course i now have NAS rated drives and i run UnRaid instead of TrueNAS. i do have the HDD spin down after not being used after a hour. i have two m.2 2tb’s for my caching. i think at the end, it’s roughly the same as my watts increase a bit more while using the HDD. but i’m happy that i’m getting twice the TB space in a smaller form factor.

@marcinneuman8283

10 ай бұрын

terramaster is a great choice if you don't need more than 2 (or 4 for bigger model) spinning drives - combined with 2x nvme it's perfect for my needs. I'm just waiting for them to switch to N100 - it will be a sweet spot with speed/power consumption. Did you get Fx-423 or Fx-223?

Any case recommendations for a matx board and a pico psu. Only small cases i find are for itx boards.

My passive server runs on athlon pro 300ge. I'll try to check its power usage on the next dusting. I don't have an issue with transcoding as the only tv I have is 720p.

What about bios tuning? Undervolt the CPU?

Does undervolting have much of an impact?

Can you recommend a specific Molex to SATA adapter?

Great video as always, спасибо! Is there any tutorial on what exactly to tweak in Ubuntu to achieve as-little-power-draw-from-the-wall-as-possible? My J5004 system draws ~27w from the wall without any software tweaks and I know it should be better. (btw was also surprised that rgb keyboard is easily +5w from the wall - makes sense, but still surprising)

@AndrewFrink

10 ай бұрын

90% of this is "powertop --auto-tune"

I didn't know molex to sata could cause fire. It seems like I already have safe version but I think ill replace it with another adapter if I can

Is it a camera or a microphone on the boom arm in the background?

Oh! Is the C6 states thing why my Linux server froze at random? I just bought a network-controlled power outlet and set it to cycle the power if it stopped responding to pings. Reboot times were fast enough that the downtime was irrelevant.

Hi Wolfgang, is there any reason you decided to use the 4650G in particular vs the much more available (and usually somewhat cheaper) 4600G? As far as I'm aware, they have virtually the same performance, the only difference being ECC RAM support.

I've been looking for something like this. I have a mini-ITX machine that this would fit perfectly in and I've been looking for a way to make it a low-powered server

Can you recommend my a setup for build my first server please?

Thanks for the information. Just for data on what #'s I pay attention to (other than the super-important power/cost you cover well here).... I typically copy thousands of pictures between drives and over the network with my home server. I also dump compressed drive images to it for critical devices on my network. Also, since Apple has changed their image format.... the home server tends to end up getting tasked with converting those in huge batches to JPG. (I tend to use thin clients and laptops, so transcoding and backup tends to get done on the home server--even though the laptops would be faster... I just kickoff a script and the laptop leaves with me or gets shutdown while the server chugs away for sometimes hours) So, USB throughput for external/cold backups, network throughput for large files (10-50gb) and small files (hundreds of K to MB), and local throughput for hot/onine backups. I run plex too.... but even ancient HW does well for HD streams these days.

This is great but can you also do this for incredibly power efficient (preferably Linux) laptops?

My truenas build is based on 4650g pro and asrock b550, it really works like charm with ecc memories.

Which lga 1700 board came with 6 sata ports ?

As always a very good video, but I have a question because I've searched a lot for the problem but haven't found much. Which generations of AMD processors have a problem with C-states and which processors (also AM5) don't have these problems and are suitable for power-saving home servers?

can you compare this with let say $10 intel cpu platform?

Thanks Wolfgang for the tip! I bought a 4650g pro used on eBay and replaced my 2700 on my b450 board. I'm using unraid but cannot get under 30W with all disks and SSDs spun down. It is a lot less than the 2700 used. However it seems unraid does not support the higher C-states :( Again thanks for the tip and best wishes from the Niederrhein:)

Hi, I bought a pico psu ( compatible) and I am testing it with a power supply tester. I see it has as voltage 12.5 (inside +12V2) indicator. To my understanding the ATX specification tolerates up to 12.6 . I would like to consult if that value that I have is normal in those Pico PSU and on normal ATX PSU ? Should I discard the Pico PSU or considerate it risky ?

@WolfgangsChannel

6 ай бұрын

Hi. I don't have enough knowledge on the matter to say for sure if your unit is safe or not. The way I see it, if it's lower than 12.6, then it seems that the PSU is within the ATX standard. But that's just an uneducated guess

What smart plug are you using?

Hello Wolfgang, i used to have a amd 4650ge pro home server and now a migrated to build a home server with a epyc 7d12 (32 core 64 threads and 128 pci e lanes) low power cpu running truenas idle at 1,1ghz..., maybe a good suggestion for next video !!!

I really want to see that n100 build, I was thinking use on the m.2 the sata m.2 adapter jmb585, the pcie x16 the pcie sata jmb585 and the pcie x1 a 2.5gbe i225, totaling to 12 sata and 2.5gbe lan?

10 ай бұрын

I'm planning on doing this with the Asus N100 motherboard.

What is the specific model of the terra PC?

What is the name of the pc case. I find it aesthetically pleasing and would like to use it for my retro Windows XP PC its got a GTX 780ti and a i7 3770k :)

theres no link for the pc to buy it.

@WolfgangsChannel, hi there. May be you can help me and someone looking for the same question? I'm building a fileserver/torrent for home usage using a build on an old Intel Atom processor. I got 3 discs: one ssd, two 3TB HDDs. Placed Ubuntu Server on it without graphics. And I'm worried about HDD usage start/stop count. Well overall on HDDs health. Is there any specific thing you would suggest to use to prolong HDDs life? May be you can do a video tuturial on setting up RAID, torrent downloader, and some sort of health monitor for HDDs?

Thx for sharing

i like all the tweaks being done to lower that power consumption.

I'm dying from laughter because of all those funny scenes included :D All best from Poland! Watching videos one by one! :D

Nice machine, I'm thinking about building a Ryzen APU powered server since I got a brand new Asrock A520M-ITX board cheap (~50eur) a few months ago (still haven't used it) :D

Great video, well researched power consumption which is never done on a home server build to be honest.

What's the name of the prebuilt?

Does this system support ECC properly or does it support running ECC memory in NON-ECC mode. I see this a lot with AMD boards where it says it will run unbuffered ECC memory but only in non-ECC mode. Edit: Okay never mind. You answered this question pretty well around 4:00.

If you had to pick something brand new, that is actually available what would you choose, for low consumption, without being poor? Plex 4k playback, NAS, and other various stuff. Currently rocking a 5820k with a Quadro P2000, MSI X99-A SLI PLUS, 16gb ram and it consumes around 60-65w. For a budget around 500 euro.

I wish topton would've made their NAS board with a Ryzen chip that can handle virtualization (more cores) That would be the best of the best.

Please do a good tutorial on good OS to use and setup for home servers. How can we add SSD for cache if required in future. Will be very helpful

hi wolfgang. is there any app like that we can see computers power consuption in linux?

@WolfgangsChannel

10 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, you can't accurately measure the PC power consumption on the PC itself. You can use an inline power meter instead, either a "smart" one (e.g. that shows you the power consumption in an app), or a cheaper digital one that just shows the power consumption on a built-in LCD.

I converted my previous desktop sporting a 5900x to my new virtualisation host. I run it at the 65w eco mode. It's pretty awesome considering my previous virtualisation host was running on an intel Nuc.

@Nonstopie

10 ай бұрын

Have you checked if eco mode even does anything for idle power consumption? i've heard its mostly a no from pretty much everywhere i look

@roccociccone597

10 ай бұрын

@@Nonstopie yes I've checked and it's ever so slightly lower, but it's virtually the same. But it's pretty low anyway. If very low idling power draw is what you're after, you might want to check out those mini PCs that are all the rage now. They're pretty cool as long as you don't need lots of IO or full size PCI-e slots.

@Nonstopie

10 ай бұрын

@@roccociccone597 Yeah i was just wondering because i did a similiar thing where i moved my 3700x from my desktop to my server. My idle was somewhere in the 35-40watt range without spinning drives and 1 nvme. I havent really bothered changing around any bios settings yet though.

@justfasial01

10 ай бұрын

@@roccociccone597 Did you have to disable C-States? My 5900x will randomly hang when not doing anything, after disabling c-states it works and same goes for Eco-Mode. CPU is not stable when using Eco-mode. It's only stable after I set the proper PPT, TDC, and EDC after testing what gets me the highest frequency.

@justfasial01

10 ай бұрын

@@Nonstopie Eco and stock have the same idle power consumption, my CPU is always consuming 47-50W and if you have c-states enabled it can go down to 35W but it's not stable at all with c-states enabled. AMD dropped the ball with not figuring out c-states for Zen 3.

Can you build a server out of a Beelink Ser5 AMD 5500U with 6SSD's? you might need to 3D print parts of a case and some soldering for SSD power. At Idle the beelink should stay at 8 watts.The beelink Ser5 can be bought on Amazon for 320Euros

Hello thank you very much with your videos. We also can find configurations around 300/350EUR with "Ryzen 5 5600G", is this APU as power efficient as "Ryzen 5 4650G Pro", is ECC also supported ?

@WolfgangsChannel

10 ай бұрын

About as power efficient, but doesn't support ECC. Like I said, only the APUs with "PRO" prefix support ECC.

I would be super interested to know how you got your power consumption in graphana ! Great video as always.

@WolfgangsChannel

10 ай бұрын

Home assistant + Prometheus

Link to the sale please

In one of the video you share that you've been using xeon e-2176. Can you maybe share what is the power consumption on the load and if can be tweaked via undervolt? I assume idle is low like most of Intel's CPUs. Not that easy to find any info about xeon e2100-2300 series in the wild. Thanks in advance. I'm struggling whether to choose it instead of i3-9100 for ASRock c246wsi for nas an proxmox env

@WolfgangsChannel

5 ай бұрын

The "mutant" CPUs like E-2176M do not support ECC - probably a limitation of the BGA to LGA adapter. So if you need that, i3-9100 is a better choice. The power consumption under load is basically "as much as your CPU cooler will handle". I've seen around 95-105W during a stress test. You can obviously limit that using intel-undervolt (it supports limiting PL1 and PL2) or similar software

@Zie1u

5 ай бұрын

@@WolfgangsChannel ah it's M not G, ok. Hope i3 9100 will handle some dockers and vms:) Thanks, will try this option

Try icydock adapters which turn your cd drive bays into hdd bays

Can you turn that into some kind of seedbox or is it "too much" ?

@WolfgangsChannel

8 ай бұрын

Why would it be too much?