Third Flight on VATSIM - Making a Mess in Dublin :(
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Welcome to my third outing on VATSIM as we fly from Gatwick (EGKK) to Dublin (EIDW) in the Boeing 737-800.
What was looking like a fairly solid example of VATSIM flying quickly turned sour! My apologies to all those affected by my mistake. It’s not my intent to come and cause trouble. As has been the case since I started on VATSIM, the kindness and understanding of the controllers is something quite special, my thanks to all!
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00:00 - Introduction
01:03 - Clearance Push and Taxi
04:45 - Departure
09:05 - Cruise
11:30 - Descent
14:45 - Approach
16:06 - Landing
17:14 - Taxi To Gate (!!)
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"Building up courage to speak..." RELATABLE ASF!
As a controller, I thinks messing up a taxi clearance is the best mistake you can make. Ive only been controlling for 4 months and I've seen worse (someone took the liberty to pushback taxi and held short of the runway and decided to contact for ifr clearence💀💀) yeah just keep the grind it worth it!! You've improved a lot
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! I’ll get there… (eventually!)
@ThaiBallzz
5 ай бұрын
Are they rêtarded or sth😭
As someone who has been a Ground controller at major events handling more than 10 aircraft on the ground at once, I can assure you that all ATC will be very forgiving with you, especially in the UK. Don't panic if it takes a while to respond and if you are unsure, always ask them if they could give progressive taxi instructions or just to repeat the instruction, it's an online network full of a lot of inexperienced pilots, so mistakes will always happen, even controllers make mistakes. Nobody expects perfect, keep up the awesome work, and always take that flight even if your a little nervous, we are always here to help you :)
I know it’s intimidating talking to atc for the first time in a flight but when you do your clearance as well as that, you have nothing to worry about.
@matejmarosz20
5 ай бұрын
Honestly i find unicom harder for me somehow
I know i should not say this but i am so pleased that i am not alone struggling with taxiways. The closed captions in the video remind me so much of myself trying to learn Vat Sim, What did he say, Panic, etc. Thank you for taking the time to share your introduction to Vat Sim, it is helping my confidence knowing others experience the same emotions. Great video thank you
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Trust me, you’re not alone! Maybe see you around on VatSim sometime 👍
@michaelbrittle5157
3 ай бұрын
Me too
You're doing a great job! Don't be disheartened by taking your time with responses. Loving the videos! No one should ever feel bad for learning, as long as you are learning! Good Job!
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Well said!
I have a stammer so reading back taxiing instructions can be a bit stressful but I find the controllers are really helpful.
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Yeah they've been nothing but great to me so far! Maybe see you up there sometime!
I worked in Dublin airport on the ramp. When doing the headsets, it can be confusing to get to the push points. I am always impressed how pilots don't get lost in the crazy layout of the airport.
The more i watch vatsim videos the more i learn! 👍
Id love to see all the clicks, also id love to see a longform content type, kind of like a vod as i am still learning and this is very entertaining and helpful
Keep up the good work! VATSIM really makes it feel real in my opinion! Mistakes will be made, but get your head down and continue the grind 🙌🏼✈️
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Absolutely! Feeling like I’m getting the bug 🙂
Honestly it looks like you’re doing a great job for someone new to Vatsim, you definitely have the right mentality in trying to be prepared for frequencies etc. Having a pen and paper to scribble departure and taxi clearances is definitely a good idea, helps a lot. When on Unicom you basically need to announce where you are (position and altitude) and what you’re planning to do. Announcing at TOD is maybe a bit early to start because incoming traffic is at you’re destination won’t be able to hear you on frequency yet, but certainly doesn’t hurt (better safe than sorry!). If you do get a bit to close to someone it can be helpful to deconflict with other pilots, too. You were definitely let down by scenery at the end there, taxiing around default airports is difficult at the best of times! You definitely did the right thing stopping when you were unsure, better than just wandering about aimlessly.
Love the videos mate! Keep it up. You are definitely doing a lot better than I was when I started on VATSIM 😅
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Appreciate it, thanks for watching!
Best tip mate is stop, ask the controller to say again, read it back carry on. Never feel under pressure by the controllers, take your time. One thing that annoys me on vatsim is when I receive a complicated taxi route and I’m still rolling. There is a reason the 737 requires 2 pilots! I always go back with a “standby” in this scenario and when clear of the runway call for taxi myself. Be assertive but professional works every time.
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
I’d never actually considered going back with a “standby”, thanks! What bothers me is that even when editing the video I couldn’t figure out where I went wrong with that last taxi 😅
@sidplays77
7 ай бұрын
@@AirNOTT your scenery let you down, its impossible if what you see on your navigraph chart doesn't match what you see out the window. Looked like your scenery didn't even have stand numbers. The other alternative is when you call for taxi or you get taxi instructions tell them you are using default scenery for concessions. However it would make more sense (and be more enjoyable) for you to update your scenery. Have fun mate!
Your are doing great! I really love your videos they have helped me to build some confidence to fly on vatsim. I just had my third vatsim flight today and let me tell you Gatwick is crazy 30 departures at once and I was one of them 😅
I'm about to get my first Vatsim flight this Saturday in the first wings event. Thought this event would be a good idea to start with. Looking forward to it. Your vatsim videos helped a lot to since it doesn't seem that much complicated to me now 😊 Have a look for that event. Maybe it's just the right thing for you too. From Lyon to Bordeux
Love this mate , looking forward to the 4th
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Me too! Thanks for watching
nice vid, havent been in the streams alot sadly since my schedule has been packed with school and drivers license :) but im glad to see that u keep on trying Vatsim and havent given it up yet :) Take care till next time :)
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Best of luck with the driving! Hopefully catch you soon 👍
Terrific video... Very impressive despite the sketchy taxi... My wife even asked where you were going... Swung the video on to our TV... Absolutely brilliant... 👍🙌
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Please pass on my apologies to your wife! 😆
100% with ya re: the Vatsim fizzling out comment .... Keep it up. Nice video. Thanks for sharing. Actually, this video is a very good reference and very useful as a help for others to learn and get used to Vatsim.
tbh im planning on trying for the first time on vatsim the 737 im not 100 percent familiar with it but im sure ill be fine, watching your videos make me love vatsim even more
As someone learning VATSIM, these videos are helpful!
I cant stress how many times I have arrived in Dublin, and got the taxi instructions wrong 🤣. I havent flown on vatsim for a while now and would like to try get back into it, but am having trouble building up the courage to transmit, good luck with your vatsim flying and dont give up!!!🙂
i could feel the stress when u messed up , that feeling that u can't do anything ur body dosn't let lol , u recovered it well :)
YESSSS, coming back from school to this is the best
Amazing professionalism!
So youre doing fine and the first year on ivao or vatsim my voice was exactly like yours xD You could feel it through the mic. And that was despite the fact that I actually new how to fly but being "live" with lots of others and great controllers was intimidating. This will go with time. Just keep doing it, practice, and youll be fine
full respect for owning up and admitting you're unsure on what ur doing, alot of people would just disconnect 😀
@AirNOTT
2 ай бұрын
Trust me, the temptation was there!
taxiing is difficult in VATSIM, especially in Dublin (my home airport!). what I'd recommend is a little cheat using the zoomed in VFR map by pressing "V" so that you can see where you are in comparison to your taxi chart! enjoyable video nonetheless, you've definitely got the ability for VATSIM, you'll warm up to it soon enough :D
Don't worry! You'll get better!
don't beat yourself up too much, you handled the error well and didn't give up. i was quite tense leading up to the actual mistake, because i was expecting something major to happen lol. for what it's worth there's a Navigraph wishlist post about adding taxi routing as a feature, hopefully it will be implemented one day.
EIDW is not an easy airport to taxi the first few times. i have a mental block of my own, sometimes when im taxiing out to depart in edinburgh, i end up going to the opposite runway and ive been doing this for a long time. dont worry youre doing great stuff like this happens!!
Well done your braver than me for having a go very daunting
To be fair, Dublin is one of the harder airports to taxi around in my experience because the taxiways are named in a particurlarly Irish manner. But scenery definitely would of helped you. Link 4 is the curved taxiway that goes onto taxiway 2, so you should of just gone in a straight line accross H1 and onto taxiway 2 around into stand 125. When using navigrpah, click on the stacked sqaures for the airport chart. That will impose the airport chart onto your map and you will see the same same chart the controller is using.
I admire you for carrying on and showing that every flight is a nerve wracking as the last, I've never done it but have watched plenty to work out how the Q/A flow should go. My biggest fear is not being able to understand the controller especially if they talk fast or are garbled but you can always text! The temptation to just disconnect must be great lol.
@AirNOTT
4 ай бұрын
Thanks! I dunno whether I’m brave or just stupid 😅
It gets the better of us when we mishear something or we have an aircraft misconfiguration on VATSIM. it's more daunting than you think and until you actually end up in the mess you don't realize how awkward it is :D Well in mate, watching the video I'd say you're miles ahead of what we can do haha. We too need to get some more scenery packages to save us staring at Navigraph simlink
Great job, interesting watch! The MK Studios Dublin is well worth a purchase!
@AirNOTT
5 ай бұрын
Yes! I’ve bought it actually, though haven’t yet dared go back to Dublin yet haha
Hey fella, your doing a great job for your third time on vatsim. I'm UK based as well and fly on there all the time, so if you wanna fly together so you've got someone to fly with i'd be more than happy. As for the taxi at the end (which was the only little hiccup you had btw) if you get confused, i'd ask for progressive taxi to the stand which would be turn by turn instructions so you didnt get confused. But i would say a major part of the experience you had with taxiing in dublin is due to the fact you had no scenery. A lot easier with scenery bud! Let me know if you ever wanna fly!
Smooth landing 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
I think you are doing great on VATSIM. The controllers are always very friendly. I think if you really cant understand the instruction, can politely ask them to say again for you. struggling about taxiway, is a normal stuff haha. I am still messing up with my home airport's taxi way. HAHA.. Cheers mate, looking forward to seeing the 4th.
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
You and me both! Maybe see you around up there!
You are doing to so well on Vatsim mate. Keep up the good work. Don’t be afraid to make mistakes. It’s all part of learning. Also remember it’s not the end of the world if you do make errors, because it’s not real life.
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Appreciate the kind words, thanks! I'll keep plodding along :)
As a former dublin ground/ tower controller, The taxi's would confuse some people but it's never something to worry about. Just ask us again and we can say it slower to give time to write. Or if you're really lost or confuse just ask for progressive taxi and we'd be more than happy to help. As not all scenery perfectly matches things happen no stress we're all here to have fun!
Actually I’m quite impressed, you did a good job. Your advantage as a native English speaking person isn’t a problem for you guys. For the non native speakers that becomes another hurdle. Your issue is the lack of the perfect scenery, the MK Studios variant is very good you can follow the signs on the ground and have the new layout as well. My recommendation would be to choose a flight from two 3rd party airports. Makes it a lot easier. Compliments to you! Definitely nothing to worry about.
I think Dublin airport has had a lot of changes and expansion recently. I discovered that the default scenery for Dublin is very out of date when the runway I planned to land on didn't exist! I bought the Orbx version instead which seems much more up-to-date and seems to match the Navigraph charts.
You'll get there mate. Just an FYI re 15:20 - it's localiser established. Once you tell them that, they give you clearance to descend with the glideslope. So you're calling up late if you're waiting for the GS to come in before calling ATC.
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Appreciate it, thanks! I'll get there in the end :)
Stream deck and Mobiflight definitely helps with changes to the radio and other things.
Nice video on vatsim like you said the more you do it the more comfortable it will become like second nature, also, time stamp 19:33 left hand side Link 4 arrow straight on looks like your Navigraph map was wrong.
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Yeah I think you're right, I should have gone straight ahead. Though, given that I was running stock scenery, I figured that the scenery was more likely to be wrong vs my charts. I guess I was wrong!
Love your videos! Long time flight simmer but back after a 8 year hiatus due to children, back with msfs2020 & fenix. Your airport scenery, is that default? As looks more detailed then mine or do you fly into add on freeware/payware? Going through your catalogue of videos, very enjoyable!
Itd be amazing if you could go through all the set up procedure for the 73, would love to see that
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Maybe I could do a separate video on that. Though my last a320 one performed TERRIBLY!
@ironic9732
7 ай бұрын
@@AirNOTT i would also love that, i think im going on the correct path but also im not sure sometimes my speed just drops like crazy low and i stall and crash 😂
For Dublin use the chart for the taxiways are its much more defined that the generic navigraph taxi map.
New sub here buddy! Really enjoyed the video and as someone trying to get confident on Vatsim it’s nice to see other people doing it. Hopefully I’ll catch a live stream. Do you stream on here or twitch ?
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Thank you my friend! On here for streaming, though looking at twitches new stance on multi streaming I may stream there as well in the near future
If it's any consolation I'm a real world airline pilot (A320) and can assure you it happens in real life too!! On many occasions the Captain and I have been trying to figure out the approved taxi routing to find the gate and the situation is often compounded by very strong foreign accents throwing taxi instructions at you at lightning speed!! That sense of embarrassment and rising panic is something we all experience from time to time lol - especially on a 'line check'!
Good video💪
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Thanks! 😃
Just to let you know by the way when your lining up on the runway for takeoff you ignore the yellow taxi lines and rry to use as much runway as possible. Thise lines are for exiting
Welcome to the world of taxiway (and even more dangerous, runway) incursions - speaking with regards to real world ops, it is just as baffling sometimes, and throw in night time, sleep deprivation, rain/snow/mist/fog, high speed clearances from ATC's, time pressure, and it's a REAL threat. Some airports have RIDICULOUS layouts that are seemingly designed to confuse everybody. It obviously gets easier with familiarity, but as a global operator, literally everywhere you go is pretty much unfamiliar. You can't memorise the entire taxiway layout (indeed, pre-briefing has it's own threat of creating expectations of routings that may not be in line with the actual clearance), but of course you have another crewmember to operate the aircraft. It starts to become a little easier to understand why planes still taxi into other planes/the wrong way when you've seen some of the confusing situations.
If you forget or start to panic you can always ask the controller to repeat. Don’t be scared controllers are taught to understand that everyone has their ups and downs and not every flight is easy
Your'e doing great m8. Just remember, in the real world pilot monitoring will be handling the radio comms and a portion of the A.P setting The reason there are Two pilots is beacause it is a fast paced enviroment and doing on your own especially with a mouse is a challenge.
Oh this is the same controller from that funny VATSIM video that says Gatwick Dictator on frequency.
The reason you forget simple things when on VATSIM is probably because you don't do the checklists. I haven't flown the PMDG but the one thing I appreciate about the FBW A32NX is the inclusion of checklists in the EFB. Without them I forget stuff too.
I’ve never tried vatsim before so it would be nice if you walk us through the buttons and stuff
When you are setting up the plane initially do you put in the SID and ARRIVAL, or do you wait to see what Vatsim tells you to do?
Great video! You were definitely let down by the scenery. Without the proper markers it's very hard to know where you are going, especially in Dublin as it is a bit complicated with the links.
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Yeah I still can’t figure out what I should have done haha
When I do a decent on Unicom ( I’m going to use the words I said today on vatsim ) I would say “ Copenhagen traffic Scandinavian 506 is leaving Flight Level 370 for 5000 feet Copenhagen traffic be advised” so say the place first your going to then your flight number then the alts and then stop and with scenery I can’t fly anywhere on vatsim without buying the scenery for the airport😂
I’m finding taxi instructions the most complex part of the flight to navigate. Even with Aerodrome ground charts, the lack of visual indicators on the links and taxiways can be very confusing. Looking at ‘real-world’ streams, pilots often have the same issues.
@AirNOTT
3 ай бұрын
You and me both! I guess experience is the key. I feel ok at airports I frequent often, but the thought of heading down to Madrid, for example, gives me pause!
good video! i am new to vatsim and noticed my destination and equipment are not showing up in vat spy, what am I missing?? :). thanks!
You shouldn't be so hard on yourself. Decent scenery is a must I have found....default scenery just isn't good enough generally and I find it means I make more mistakes! Taxi instructions are a nightmare...I find if you zoom in real close it helps figure out the taxiways...navigraph doesn't show all labels unless you are pretty zoomed in I find.
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
What bugs me is, even during the edit, I can’t see what I should have done instead. 🙃
@simonw9654
7 ай бұрын
@AirNOTT I've just looked and the charts aren't clear at all...not really helpful 🫣
There's a glitch on that Navigraph map. You're better off looking at the actual taxi chart. Look at chart 10-9C and you'll see how it's supposed to be
I just did my first vatsim flight today where i didnt get sent to unicom during descent, it was super fun so much vectors and such, but i messed up the parking i went in the wrong one but atc had a laugh about it so it was fine😂
@AirNOTT
6 ай бұрын
Awesome, good job for giving it a go!
@ironic9732
6 ай бұрын
@@AirNOTT thanks, i watched you're vatsim flights as a final revision type of thing then went it it really helped
How do you hold speed when you taxi? I always end up either going too slow or too fast. Flying the FBW A320
Honestly, ive heard worse readbacks irl. Youre doing well!
If u get pushback tool bar they do the pushback for you
Personally I dont rly use Unicom unless there is visible traffic around me and I communicate everything from the base turn to final all the way til I v get to my gate
on your yoke you should make it 142 for "ryanair 142"
I just looked at the charts too, I'm confused with Link 4 I would of done the same - Did you find out the correct way cos im confused LOL
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Still not 100% sure to be honest, Paul. I think rather than making a left off of H1, I should have carried on straight, following the terminal around to stand 125? No way I would have derived that from the charts though. I guess the lesson is to ask and have the conversation vs ploughing ahead
I wonder how many people just log off after getting frustrated lol
Hotel 1 to link 4 to stand 125 does look exactly what you did based on the map and ATC. ATC sound like they wanted you to go straight on which, according to the map you have, would be Hotel 1, Foxtrot 3, 2, Stand 125 (and also looks like the most direct route. Is the map part of VATSIM? Wondering if your map is different to the one ATC are using. Something to bear in mind is to ask for repeats until you have the information you want. This is something experienced pilots seem happy to do but newer pilots get nervous about asking for a repeat. Repeat should be like going around, it just gets done when it is needed without criticism! That's another rule written in blood! Mistakes are learning points, pleased you could share this with the community :)
The chart you were using to taxi was incorrect. Link 4 is an intersection of taxiways not just one taxiway. If you look at the "Parking Stands East" chart under "Taxi" it labels the taxiways a bit better in that area.
The scenary was okay in this case, although you can't see the taxiways names the lines seem to be acurate. The problem here was navigraph, it showed link 4 in a weird place and made it very confusing you can see it better in Google maps on the real taxiways marks. In any case good job, I wouldn't have done it better on my 3rd Day 😂
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
How strange, is it uncommon for navaigraph to be wrong like that?
I'm so bad at Vatsim I've given up and handed by headphones over to my grandson.
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
haha! that's brilliant!
Heyyy its ok i started play vatsim around 1 month ago and it was the same i didnt have the courage to speak with atc when i try its like my breath is going to stop😂 afterall we all started somewhere lol
@AirNOTT
6 ай бұрын
We do indeed!
Does anyone know where he gets those white platform extenders for his desk for the yoke and throttle?
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
It's off cuts from my main worktop. It's just cheap-ish kitchen worktop from Ikea (Ekbacken, I think it's called). I cut them to size and used the extra edging strips to tidy them up. They go back under the desk quite a long way and I screwed them in from underneath (with many screws) to keep it sturdy. Hope that helps!
Hey well done, tough with the scenery and Navigraph in Dublin. When you ask for ifr clearance, you always say with information India, Uniform etc I know about the aeronautics alphabet but dont understand why you have to say that.
The map view of the airport doesn’t match airport 10-9 or parking stands east 10-9c diagrams regarding the position of link 4. In the jeppesen docs link 4 is straight ahead from H1
You should come fly under my control in the US sometime ;)
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Would love that! Any major differences I should expect?
What PC do you use ??
Jumped through all the hoops to get headset, software etc, to get onto Vatsim. I did so for the first time about a month or a so ago. Unfortunately I didnt have a great experience. I do have some real world pilot experience, but it was many years ago. I did post that it was my FIRST time on vatsim, but the controller had an attitude when I asked for clearance. It had been auto posted onto the message system, but I wasnt prepared for that and didnt know it was there. Anyway….long story short he was rude and disrespectful about it. Even mouthing off via the message system about it being in the “big scary” message board. When I was in flight training I even flew out of a small international airport, so Ive had radio time to say the least. So I havent returned back to date. Yes, Im sure he doesnt represent all others, but it was a bad experience when I was already nervous and wanted to do a good job on there.
There are people who dont know what "ATIS" is or how to use a transponder. And they are still flying because there are enough controllers that are patient with them . Now you did your third flight and you read the atis properly, you mentioned acft type, atis info and stand number (which they ALWAYS ask you to do in the atis). Whenever Im on vatsim at least 6 out of 10 dont seam to read the atis at all!
Remember a real plane has 2 pilots .... don't stress out , it will fall into place.
Lol I don’t know why but when I tried to fly the inibuilds a320neo it kept on lagging every 5 seconds so I ended up cancelling the flight
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
I need to try this plane! Besides the lag, how is it?
This is not a terrible mistake, I was online for 2 hours a few days ago and let me tell you this. Peoples minds turn off when flying on vatsim? One just didnt even contact us, even though we send like 10 contact me... Youre doing good buddy! And let me know when you go to EHAM again!
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Will do! Appreciate it 👍
how do you get that amount of fps when i get like 40 on a 2060super
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
What CPU are you running? It's often more about the CPU than GPU
How can you land SOOOO Good?
@AirNOTT
6 ай бұрын
Luck haha
IVAO is easyer than vatsim and i recommend it i dont know if you know it but it is just less chaotic Hope it helps
@AirNOTT
7 ай бұрын
Yeah I’ve heard the same. Kinda like the buzz of VatSim though
@ultimate_aviator237
7 ай бұрын
@AirNOTT yeah same I can help tou with your atc If you want I'm a as3 controller
taxi was for link 4 weird
Do you want me to teach you how to do autothrottle takeoff?
Mixing it up with all the pretend pilots on vatsim. It's only game folks. A computer or console game.