I feel like the game has a trader for a reason. It’s to balance out the fact that you can’t put skill points in everything. If there wasn’t a trader the game would have to give you more magazines, xp, or crafting supplies.

i feel like we see cops alot sooner and rads sooner then we use to but thats just me

My friend and me, we go nuts in the wasteland with tier 6 infestations. It's like two guys go in blasting with m60's and keep walk out with more ammo than what we spend. The ammo in loot of t6 infestations is insane, thus we tend to switch it up with other weapons just to use up ammo we lot. Even in a stealth build you can sneak through them and pick of them one by one (almost) with a silenced weapon.

Kage- the trader shouldn't sell blue items Also Kage immediately after that- I'm gonna buy blue armor 😂

My general rule in this game, for me, is if I can craft it, or I am close to crafting it, I don’t buy it. I don’t have to worry about game and viewer balance like you do, Kage, so I can get away with crafting so much more stuff. I can get away with doing more stuff, in general, and that's ok. I craft almost all of my ammo. I also do a shit ton of mining, so i can make gunpowder in my sleep. About the only time I buy ammo is when I've made one of my stupid Tank decisions during a mini horde or three, and I mean STUPID 😂. Now, onto that POI - That was a sit up in the seat episode!!! Saw the mountain lion and nearly threw the pen i was clutching 😂. Talk about action-packed! And you made it 💪! Fortitude is definitely the way to go if the game is gonna throw all of that at you. Don’t need you dying from an infected boo boo after you take everything down!

that was such an exciting episode!! demolishers in a POI wow ... great video!!

"I'm not gonna lie" you should put that on a t-shirt lmao

I can't believe you did that school with a level 1 steel club. Sweet job

@bryjenkins3731

17 күн бұрын

And he stood on business and didn't crumble to peep pressure to buy that lvl 4. W for Kage

Maybe have the higher biome traders sell the higher tier items. This would add a point to the different traders.

11:31 that nurse looks like an anime character the way she gets flung away

They really meant it when they said they want to drag out progression haha

Kage I'm 100% with you on the traders and buying high quality items. The last few games in A21 I modded the traders to not give weapons, armor, or tools for quest rewards but increased the duke payouts by 10-20%. It was a lot of fun because it made everything you do worthwhile. When you get a weapon a full tier above what you can make - yes, it's awesome - but it also is a "Why do I bother getting magazines, harvesting resources, etc." moment. (FWIW - it's very, very easy to mod the trader inventory to limit how high a tier they will offer for any item.)

The lockable slots thing next to your dukes balance is really helpful. Lets you keep everything you want to keep in the first however many slots in the top row of your inventory so you don't accidentally sell something.

Intelligence tree works as well. I’m on T-5 desert and winter biomes and never use guns, even on infested. I’m telling you, stun baton is OP AF.

@ballisticthreat

17 күн бұрын

I never used it until now, it's definetely strong weapon!

@dcsobral

17 күн бұрын

You need the repulsor mod to make it work against mobs, but, yeah, it's been OP for a long time. My next build is going to be an Intellect one, and I'm eager to see how it fares in 1.0.

@MrKenetikdezine

17 күн бұрын

@@dcsobral for sure repulsor mod and full physician perk as well for insta kills.

@ballisticthreat

17 күн бұрын

@@dcsobral that mod sure helps a lot but the baton by itself is already pretty good. I'm using it in my co-op gameplay, and the shock effect on the zombies really helps me get a breathing room for regain my stamina :D

I don't know or notice. If you put all you stuff you want to keep first, then open you sell box and take all. It fills up those slots you left open with that stuff. When you hit that sort container it mixes everything up with stuff you want to keep to stuff you want to sell. Then you have to be careful not selling something. Don't hit the sort Container button unless you organizing. Might save you some time.

@dcsobral

17 күн бұрын

Or use the locked slots and have no problems.

First off been watching for many years so not trolling but I don’t understand your obsession with ammo. It can be crafted. Judging a quest based on ammo seems ridiculous. Infestation quest increases the zombie count and type of zombies. Both providing more XP which are needed to level up. I also want to express my appreciation for your play style. You don’t run or cheese with blocks/hatches. If you die, you die. One more thing, red dots appear when zombies spawn, not when awake. Which is frustrating if you sneak because you can completely sneak through a room and not trigger zombies to spawn

@toregenekhatun480

17 күн бұрын

The time and effort to craft ammo is ridiculous gunpowder is the big issue

@blainebickle1178

17 күн бұрын

This game would be so fun if the properly set it up so sneaking can actually be effective for all parts of the POIs

@vatazes

17 күн бұрын

If you have the time to do the mining, then crafting your own ammo is the way to go. But if mining isn't your thing, or you are trying to bring balance to your videos for you and your audience, then buying and POIs/jobs are the way to go. Gunpowder is an obscene bottleneck in the ammo making department.

@midnighttoker9268

17 күн бұрын

Not true. The red dots appear either when they wake or when you make your first kill in the area. Zombies spawn as soon as you enter the room, floor, or whatever the general set area is for that POI, they are there whether you see them (wake them) or not. Turn up your volume, you can hear them 'snoring'.

@blainebickle1178

17 күн бұрын

@@vatazes Yeah, I try to stay away from mining for the last couple alphas. Buying gunpowder from the trader when you can works great, it's pretty cheap. Same for cobblestone

Wrenching! Kage I understand your point of view on on wrenching. Youre on day 18, so 17 days you wrenched "knowing" you were keeping them for crafting; however now you sold them for money which means you now have more work to do; a lot more work, to get back what you sold! Totally understand it

On this point regarding traders i completely agree. They were and probably still are a bit OP. Its the apocolypse, what should be in abundance is salvaged crap TO MAKE STUFF WITH, not high quality items... tools and weapons. Its good that they reduced the amount of dukes you get now, they should also limit traders to quality 3 tools and weapons leaving the high quality stuff for crafting with reduced chance of finding them in loot. This would make it a more challenging play through and making more sense from the learn by magazine progression. I can get alot of dukes very early on from scrapping and crafting stuff but it takes the early game challenge away when you can purchase high level stuff, it kind of dulls things. More challenge is better. You're right...more emphsis should be on traders selling cloth, duct tape, glue, leather etc. Anyway theres a hundred different opinions out there

I found it's still worth repairing guns and weapons and tools to get more money. Also if you want to conserve ammo I went to old school use the robotic sledgehammer block doorways with blocks or the robotic turret helps with radiated zombies buy keeping other zombies at bay so you don't get overwhelmed.

@dcsobral

17 күн бұрын

It is TOTALLY worth repairing anything you sell! Even slightly damaged equipment sells for much less than the full price.

When using the Awesome Sauce, it's important to remember, you need to sell at minimum 1,500 worth or you loose money.

I got lucky, i got the crucible as a quest reward for completing tier 3 quests

I just did A T-5 Infested No shots fired challenge (self Imposed) and I took over 150 steel arrows and I am a fully spec Assassin Build. and after playing over 100 hours the ammo usage is insane in T-5 and T-6

@davi-brz

17 күн бұрын

Assassin build is so broken rn that for me it isn't even funny. Insane difficult (zombies are harder to kill and hit harder), all the perks in stealth related and assassin blue set. I can sneak right behind the zeds and kill them with a knife (which is a really close melee weapon) and the stealth dmg bonus is insane, I can one shot a feral with only a stone arrow.

@davi-brz

17 күн бұрын

The way I like to play is to run inside a POI aggro all the zeds and run out to kill them in the open. It gets difficult to this at night in T-5 & T-6 because at night there a lot of ferals outside those POI's. It can even be harder than a horde night at higher game lvl.

@christopher2866

17 күн бұрын

​@@davi-brztotally agree, broken but fun! Same build but warrior difficulty, I barely get touched doing T-6 poi's and aside from the athletics complex used hardly any ammo

If you die in melee combat, ima remind you of that club.😂😂😂 BTW I don't care how you play. It's always a great vid. I love em and 7D2D. None of my comments are ever critical. They're just meant to bring ya a smile 😁

I did a Tier IV in Savage Country in the Wasteland. I have a legendary sniper rifle with AP with the anti-radiation mod that stops the rad-zombies from regen. Took a boat-load of ammo and I got crap for a reward.

Personally, I will buy the crafting mats from the trader if I need to, and only use what armor, tool, and weapons that I craft or loot. For me, it feels satisfying to do it that way.

I think some people like to loot/sell and make a lot of money and just buy stuff rather than take the time to craft it. Like buying food rather than farming. I think selling blue items along with the nerf on how much stuff sells for is OK. Maybe that should be an option like a difficulty setting. But right now I think making enough money to buy a blue item or getting the perks and mats to craft one are about the same amount of effort. It just makes both play types valid. Just my thoughts.

Buying an end book item the crucible is the same or greater than purchasing a blue tier item imo so you do you but others play as they want. Also if you are playing in your starting world you have advantages others dont have. To each his own

i dont mind traders selling high quality equipment, but it should cost materials x tier level, that way you are really paying for any top level equipment that decides to show up.

So far in my first 1.0 playthru it's not much different than A21 where overall I have a surplus of ammo in general. I just did an infested higashi run and while admittedly I stealthed a bunch of it with a machete, I came out of it with I think 20 extra stacks of ammo, it was kind of insane. They already severely nerfed how much you can sell stuff for so they have made things more expensive. Personally I rarely buy many if any weapons or high level stuff from the traders but the crucible is a different story to me. Without it being available at traders so much of the game is locked behind the RNG of when you manage to get enough magazines to learn to make one, I think them having for sale for 15k seems like a good trade off, outside of vehicles and solar cells it's one of the most expensive things they sell and with the lowered prices you can sell things for I think it's in a pretty good place.

Also, the fact you need something to craft steel that you likely won't get the books for UNTIL after you start needing steel is very stupid in my opinion. It makes you have to waste dukes to buy steel as a result of it and basically makes it a pain if you dont want to use the traders at all.

I don't personally have an opinion of blue items from traders. You can buy them or not but shouldn't take the option away from people who want to. If I did anything to modify traders trades it would be Making resources cheaper and other things more expensive. For example I would drastically reduce the cost of things like stones wood fiber sand clay basically all the resources you mine out in the wild and increase the quantity the traders offer. Modestly reduce the cost of 2nd stage resources like concrete cobblestone and other resources you craft from the basic resources and increase amount of the resources offered by the trader. Decently reduce the cost of tier 3 resources like concrete mix and stuff like that and increase amount available. I would also lower the price of crop items and increase availability of those items from the traders. I would increase the amount and variety of food drinks and healing items sold by traders but leaving those prices as they are. I would increase the price of items like guns ammo weapons tools and armor. I wouldn't change the price of weapon, tools, and armor parts but make more variety available. That's how I would change the traders inventory and I'd make adjustments where I feel necessary after implementing those changes. Many people would disagree with what I'd like to do but a few might agree. Ultimately I like games that let the players choose how they want to play and that includes mod support. Letting people make changes to the game that they want through mods.

I agree, Kage. The trader should only sell the equivalent of what you can make at the time so you can decide between grinding mats to craft it or just buy it.

Also i been thinking for a while that the needle and thread book completion bonus should be either increased chance of finding or the ability to craft sowing kits...now more than ever this makes sense given military fibre has been deleted

It doesnt matter if u dont find wrenching fun. The point is its the best money maker in this game. Like, im on day 3 and i have no problem getting dukes to buy even 5 crucibles

Glad you're back playing 7 days. Play how you like. My challenge is no buying mags/books. Can't accept it as a quest reward unless it's the only thing that makes sense. I don't buy anything unless i find it in loot. For example a cooking pot. The only exception is food and health aids. 🤷🏻

Just finished my armor books and workshop books. Man it was a hassle but the shitty rewards from quest are usually skill books, so I just farmed quests.

Great watch. Cool poi.

if you need gold, do the treasure maps, I got over 25k split between 3 of them.

First moving the rad remover to the club and then praising how well the AK mows them down with the rad remover you took off. I'm not even angry, I'm disappointed. (just kidding)

I don't mind that you can buy blue items from the trader as long as they never offer legendary quality. That said, they really need to nerf the prices- buying highier quality goods should feel kinda like getting robbed, but with less violence. Still, progression balance is looking better than ever and I can hardly wait to see where it goes from here. Good season.

Now to start doing the quests from the other traders as you go. I'm pretty sure its better rewards too

I understand why you don't want the traders to sell blue items, but legendary parts are so far and few between that buying off the trader or making blue (which can take a while to get to) are your only choices. On another topic, you have never done this but you can change your loot percentage to make those infestations give more ammo. In most of my games I usually don't have to craft it till the end so it naturally builds up. But the downside is that you do fill up faster.

the infestations are worth it. People just either have bad aim or didn't bother putting points into damage. I've cleared plenty of tier 5 infestations with 1 stack of ammo, a steel axe, 1 stack of bandages and a pickaxe. On warrior difficulty. Idk why folks don't bother maxing attributes and damage perks. As far as magazines go people focus on quests way to damn much. Go out looking for crack a books, go after working stiff PoI, buy magazine from traders. It's like old school players forgot how to play the game and new players only think quests are the only way they can do anything.

You didn't use 2 stacks of ammo. You did make ur ammo back easily.

You can make the pumpkin cheesecake for an extra boost with bartering as well.

As far as the trader thing - I think that the traders should sell tier 1-5, but those items should always be at the very bottom of the RNG range for the item.

New wolf zombie is super powerful 😮

awesome episode kage! btw what are helipads for in the trader's. i did my 1st infestion quest and boy it was a lot of fun lol.

The harder biomes are definitely worth it loot wise. Just stick to the tier 3 and 4 jobs that way you don’t burn a lot of ammo.

Come on! It wasn't THAT hard to sell those electrical parts, was it? It sucks about how close you are to unlock the crucible, though once you REALLY start using steel it's common to use multiple forges as you well know. IMHO, the way to increase Workstations high really fast is to go from city to city, finding the traders and looting their workbenches. It might be better to wait for a motorcycle, though. But at least forest traders should be doable in a reasonable amount of time with the minibike.

Molotov cocktails are so good to use when there are a bunch of zeds.

I've avoided buying weapons as well but I think you should spend an in-game day going into a larger city and going building-by-building getting magazines without any quest so you can spend as much or little time as you want in each building.

Here's something I've been seeing that has me confused. I have no points in any guns, though I do have Agility and Strength at 5 which helps with their respective weapon's headshots. I have a pump shotgun that is decimating zombies. I have an SMG which is pretty effective at killing zombies. I have an AK which is worse than my melee weapon. I've killed radiated zombies with a couple of arrows with my compound bow, taking advantage of stealth for the first hit, and I've used the Assassin's set in MP and seen how it makes you essentially invisible. Then I see you using Assault Rifles while almost fully spec'ed into them and having a hard time killing the zombies. Have TFP boosted all other guns while nerfing machine guns? It certainly feels that way to me.

Did a T-6 infested yesterday. Had to kill over 200 zombies. There's no way to do the whole thing on stealth. Used about 100 steel xbow bolts and hundreds of rounds of 9mm. A real knuckle biter.

@dcsobral

17 күн бұрын

Did you have the assassin's set on? It has been insane for me.

Wait till you get to tier 6 infested..... Insane. I've gone to a 2 robotic turret and barbed wire approach and it can still get dicey. You have entire armies running at you sometimes.

At 1 Minute you had 2 full stacks of 7.62 and a loaded weapon, at 28:35 you had 3 Full stacks + 50 rounds and a loaded weapon; so you are at a net gain of 1.333 Stacks of 7.62

if you repair stuff, you can get more money when you sell

@Boritis

17 күн бұрын

Also, you should always put your mods into weapons/tools. It'll increase their price immensively, much more then selling all those stuff apart.

another great episode :)

It depends on what you put the stuff you wrench to and how you use the stuff that you got from wrenching things.

What happen to modding Armour and selling?

I don't mind them selling everything, but the prices should reflect the item level (read: be way more expensive, if not way overpriced).

Hey kage, I remember in prior versions you would craft and sell ammo crates, I believe turret ammo. Has that changed and no longer a good option for making money?

@Kage848

17 күн бұрын

I looked into this, its been nerfed

I dont want to be that guy, but I don't believe that it is spelled beleive. XD

You're just upset cuz they took away your goth pants and skinny jeans 😂😂😂

Sweet Jesus, this is like the third episode with Kage ranting about wrenching stuff. Dude we get it, you don't want to sell them. Move on.

You sold a level 4 unrepaired baseball bat with zero mods on it and then sold mods individually... Repair it, put as many mods on it as you can, you will get WAY more money. You shouldn't sell mods they aren't worth much, put them on decent items and sell them, every mod will massively raise the price of the item you are selling, works best with higher tiered items.

@midnighttoker9268

17 күн бұрын

Did the same with a hunting rifle...

@dcsobral

17 күн бұрын

You WON'T get way more money. Not in 1.0. he might get 10 to 30 more dukes than selling the mod separately. Repairing, yes, that can easily double or more the value.

@Kage848

17 күн бұрын

@@dcsobral ^^^ This

Kage, walks in to American school… “I don’t have the ammo for this” 😂😂😂

I have particular opinions about this game since I haven't played since traders were introduced. The whole, "hide under the trader's skirt until you can spray bullets non-stop," meta is all a little weird to me. It's kind of hard to find a way to make looting vs buying vs crafting all seem worth it without artificially gating the 2 other methods. Did they get rid of the secret stash concept? That made you have to invest into bartering in order to get the stuff.

@dcsobral

17 күн бұрын

The secret stash is built in now. Those blue items and tier 3 items are part of it. They only show up if you have levels in Daring Adventurer. If kage didn't put points in that he wouldn't see them.

@mrvoltar

17 күн бұрын

@@dcsobral Seems like a relatively non-intrusive way to handle it then.

I thought the fun pimps said the traders would only sell parts, not whole tools/weapons.

Personally, I love your content when you are immersed. Whenever you get stuck in the meta (which you have been doing more and more as you played over the years) it is boring AF to me. Would be interesting to get other opinions on this.

@bryjenkins3731

17 күн бұрын

My take is... I love how Kage act as if he's in the scenarios. *Sit-up-in-chair-moments* truly excite me. Sometimes, if he's a background video and a moment happens, I shush people in the room to focus properly. 😅 I love his logic to things (wreching/selling elec parts). He has a solid against his morals, montra that I agree with - to a point. But I'm not playing to entertain others, Kage is. And I'm addicted to Kage vids. Alpha 18 is when I found Kage, fell in love with Subsistance and so many othe games thanks to Kage. W Kage ❤

You know 7dtd has some Kind of randomnes so let it be. This game is not a nazie its a game with randomnes let it be. Like remember 10 jears back then and you can watch your own Videos btw There is and always will randomnes in this game.

Selling blue items? Your opinion is just always wrong, Jimmy. Don't you know that by now? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Comment for algoritm : )

For God's sake repair the tools and put the mods on them before you sell. You act a brand new player sometimes.

@dcsobral

17 күн бұрын

Putting mods on is barely worth the mod itself. Repairing, yes. Kage has so few dew collectors compared to me that I keep wondering what we are doing differently, and repairing everything is one of those things!

@lho10101

17 күн бұрын

Repairing tools and modding them up doesn’t drastically improve the price in 1.0 like it did in A21. And considering how much a premium is on cloth, it doesn’t really make sense to waste a repair kit.

@jake5773

17 күн бұрын

@@lho10101 it makes sense if you're burning 1500 on a 10%awesome sauce trying to buy a crucible.

@mizer1965

16 күн бұрын

Burning 1500 for the crucible 😂 The 1500 was made back just BUYING the crucible. The RL time it takes to go through all the mods and install them where appropriate isn’t worth the handful of extra dukes you make. You like to play that way, awesome, but you can’t get mad when other people would rather not~

@dcsobral

16 күн бұрын

@@mizer1965 that's true on 1.0, but in previous alphas it was the mods that made cash.