I want to see more players taking 40 yard shots, I want to see more attackers taking on an entire field, I want more showboating, I want more rivalries

@thuglifeinc4894

4 күн бұрын

Musiala exists. Grealish used to play like that at Villa. Sane when he wants to play well can dribble through a defense.

@GaliciaPheonix-nl8zd

4 күн бұрын

And when they keep doing that you would be bored of that too..

@mikefun7482

4 күн бұрын

@@GaliciaPheonix-nl8zd Im not bored with how football is now and I wouldn't bored of the way it was played when I was younger either

@SVAgxlxxi

4 күн бұрын

@@thuglifeinc4894two man city players 🤮🤮

@spinyslasher6586

4 күн бұрын

@@GaliciaPheonix-nl8zd Mate I never felt bored of Ronaldinho.

He's right, everyone is trying pep ball from champions league to Sunday league.

@shahir1395

4 күн бұрын

sometimes, you just gotta pull a Morocco!

@ReeseJamPiece.

3 күн бұрын

Brendan Rodgers in a nutshell. Celtic went from exciting Angeball to pass-the-parcel. Boorrriiingggg!

@jimdotcom1972

2 күн бұрын

the problem is its an arms race, they're not doing it because they like it, but because they have to to win.

@swardasaurus

Күн бұрын

It does just happen in sport in general. Teams try and emulate the most successful version. Every team in the NBA was chucking up 3s because Golden State did it. You had teams with below .500 chucking up more 3 attempts than Golden State.

Portugal tried to close Kvaratskhelia down yesterday. My cynical take is that if a coach has Kvaratskhelia and he dribbles the entire defense and scores, Kvaratskhelia gets the credit. If a coach uses a bunch of endurance athletes to swarm an opponent and win, the coach gets the credit. Sacrificing creative players to win is always going to be a temporary benefit that causes more severe future problems. Ask the Dutch. Hell, ask the Brazilians. One thing that might help would be for refs to go back to sending people off for trying to break the legs of the other team's playmaker.

@tokinsloff312

4 күн бұрын

I was with you up to the referee thing.

@gonebadgerhunting

3 күн бұрын

The refs have never been more likely to show red for a tackle than they are now. And the rules have never been more tailored to protecting those players either

The meta is ever changing, one day there will be a new way to win and everyone will try to shift towards that, and people will talk of how 2010-2024 was peak football because of nostalgia

@jackpastor7147

4 күн бұрын

I agree. They have been saying this since the invention of football.

@jackpastor7147

4 күн бұрын

George best complained about football in 90s. But now it is considered the best it has ever been.

@RainHH

4 күн бұрын

There is good metas and bad ones, this is definitely a bad one.

@Lucaz99

4 күн бұрын

I mean there’s people who already have nostalgia for tiki taka or pep ball. It can lead to beautiful moments but I was never the biggest fan. It’s very effective tbough

@daniaaal

4 күн бұрын

@@RainHHnah, bad football is route one football. Cross inshaa to the targetman kind of football

There aren't anywhere near as many icons anymore because modern football forces them to become more restrained and less expressive.

@coreygrant7545

4 күн бұрын

My only argument against that would be we've grown up so we don't see current players in the same light as we did with players we looked up to growing up. Every generation goes through it. My generation talk about players like Gerrard and Rooney whereas the the generation before will say how gazza and shearer were better. There will be players now that people look up to and see as icons but we don't see it because we are comparing them to what we considered the best years of football just like the generation before and so on.

@joseph-fernando-piano

4 күн бұрын

Absolutely, I remember seeing Haaland score so many bulldozing, lightning quick, iconic goals at RB and Dortmund, I don’t think I’ve seen him score a single goal from outside the 18-yard box at City…

@seanspx2219

4 күн бұрын

@@joseph-fernando-piano You also have to remember how much space he was able to run into at Dortmund compared to at City. Teams do not give City any space in behind anymore.

@milagomez55

4 күн бұрын

@@joseph-fernando-pianoyeah cause everyone is defending compressed all 11 men at the back no space in behind

@franze4

4 күн бұрын

@@coreygrant7545the last icons were messi ronaldo xavi iniesta pirlo hazard raul zlatan modric kroos neymar suarez and neuer (maybe a few more too idk) now there’s just good players, some better than others or that fit in a system better than others, but not great enough to be considered icons.

There has been quite a bit of "it was better in my day" from the pundits who played in the 2000s. In 2010s, this was said by the pundits who played in 90's. In the 2000's, it was said by pundits who played in 80's. It was always better when they played.

@alexfielding7191

4 күн бұрын

That was about the rules around fouls being more strict causing more players to dive, not the way teams actually played football.

@pinealdreams1064

4 күн бұрын

Peak football was the late 90's

@rottenpotato4733

4 күн бұрын

As a brazilian, I used to hear a lot about the 58 world cup team from old people. Then, they died and no one cared anymore. but the 70 world cup team was THE best, according to everyone on TV. Then, they got older and started retiring, so no one listens to then anymore, which instantly made the 82 team the best one ever, even if they lost, because the pundits either played during that time or watched it. Now, the 02 team is praised as the best ever, because my generation has the voice in the media. And wanna know what's the funniest part? Back then, before that world cup, the team was considered THE WORST (!!!) brazilian national tem EVER by so called "specialists". THAT team, with Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Ronaldinho. They were saying Lucio, Edmilson and Roque Jr were trash central defenders, that Gilberto Silva was awful, that Cafu and Roberto Carlos were bad (lol). They said Ronaldo was done, Rivaldo was shit and Ronaldinho would never live up to the hype. But then we won. Time went by, the generation that watched those guys became influential, so now they're remembered as legends. Just like you said, it's always "better in my day". Hearing that 02 team was trash by people who idolized the 82 team that got absolutely pommeled by Italy. And yet, history was written, but not according to them.

@Lucaz99

4 күн бұрын

Yes, people are biased but I honestly think the game is more boring now than in the 00s, 90s, 80s, 70s. Even though players are just more skilled and athletic these days.

@KanJonathan

4 күн бұрын

I get into football around mid to late 1980's, I took those times at the nadir of Football Dark Age (1962-92. The Stars at the time were the only saving graces): park the bus all the time, and bone crunching tackles which the refs. mostly turn the blind eyes. The former led to record lowest average at Italia '90 and EURO '92; while the latter robbed Marco van Basten a least four prime year. Only Rule of the Games changes reverse the trend. For me the ture Golden Age were from immediate Post War years to early 1960's, mid 1990's to early 2010's could be viewed as Silver Age, afterward Sovereign Fund totally upsetted the transfer market, corruption and incompetence of Football Establishment ran amouk (the cardinal sin of them is, the pretend there are way more than 365 days for a year, expending football fixturesto no end), procession and pressing tactic excessively proliferate to a point of near universal.

I don't even think "modern football" or "pepball" or whatever you call it is about scoring perfect goals, it's that old Blanchflower quote, "if we have the ball, they can't score" taken to the limit with a dose of moneyball style analytics that dictate what are the most effective plays, and that's what the team does. And for a good 15 years at this point, you have teams looking like they're playing handball, ball moving sideways for long stretches of time, but because there's no passive play rule and most teams don't have the flair players to make a shot, that's all they do. Pass and pass and pass and try a dribble or through ball. Barcelona was fun to watch because Messi could take a rabbit out of his hat anytime. Later Spain was often just turgid football because so many of the players were there, but the guy who did something special at the end wasn't. I've watched Lopetegui era Porto, who did a pretty good job of moving the ball around against low blocks but often couldn't shoot at goal for shit, and this was a CL quarterfinals team. Now there's teams with far worse players trying to do the same. What could be concerning is that with these highly mechanical systems, even young players with flair and imagination will be worked to become cogs in the sideways passing machine.

Sergio Perez catching strays in a Zealandism video is not one I had on my bingo card!

@ObviouslyKieran

3 күн бұрын

Checo is truly having an awful year );

Sean Dyche said about this; "I would be limiting Kieran Trippier if I told him to only pass the ball five yards". all our favourite players as kids were expressive, right? Mine was Totti, he was intensely creative and often broke structures to create. Ronaldinho is loved, because he was fun. It's telling that one of the first things Pep did as Barca manager was get rid of Ronaldinho.

@nxt1990

2 күн бұрын

I always say this. Pep kicking out Ronaldinho was symbolic of football changing into the "modern game". Him delivering 6 trophies the following year made it worth it of course, but symbolically that was the end of individuals because even Messi (despite his individual genius) was a teamplayer at the core. Pep wanted efficiency over creativity from the beginning, but it was the players quality that made it look freeflowing. Ever since City he's been creating robotic footballers.

@StefanWB

Күн бұрын

His relationship with Zlatan is also evidence of this.

Everyone wants to see long shots, until it’s your team who you’re desperate to win. And you hear “Shoot” from the crowd and the players goes to striker and you think “why are you shooting from there” and it goes miles over the bar

@Binzob

4 күн бұрын

Nah man much rather see players shoot from outside the box if we're trailing then passing it to the winger who passes it back to the fullback and then along the defence, to the other winger, back to the full back, back to the keeper, centreback, midfielder open for the pass, to the striker now, oops lost the ball. 4 shots ahh games, very much less fun than having 20 shots even if most are hoping for a wonder strike.

@SirEEf13

3 күн бұрын

There are players out there that you can bank on at least hitting the target. Of course you don't want your 3rd choice CB to run up and shoot but even those that you would think could pull off 30 yard strikes rarely do so anymore.

@nxt1990

2 күн бұрын

Thats the risk we literally are asking for. Those are the moments that stick forever. You take the shot, it's either you miss or you get it on target. Why do we all remember Kompany's goal? He took the shot when everyone told him not to do it, but he did. And it lasts. It's not for personal glory, but sometimes you just HAVE TO take the shot as a player. In football sometimes it just falls in front of you, and there's nothing anyone can do to make you not take the shot. Suppressing that feeling is exactly why the game's gone.

@nameanteater4772

2 күн бұрын

@@nxt1990 “nothing anyone can do to make you not take that shot”, so it’s natural and clearly hasn’t been changed by a decade or so of positional play

I can agree football is less flashy than it used to be in the 2000's. But thats why i still love international football. It isnt quite as refined and chaos is a lot more prevalent than in club football

@Lucaz99

4 күн бұрын

THANK YOU! I felt like everyone is saying the obvious (people are biased to their nostalgic era) but cmon! Players with flair are actually hated these days, if they do a 360, they’re a fidget spinner and a provocateur. Ffs, players are so mechanical these days like they’ve already been replaced with robots

@justinstewart-ek9tl

4 күн бұрын

@@Lucaz99yea definitely. Enterainers are now marked as a liability in the team.

Jack Grealish is a prime example of how Guardiola has removed the element of flair from football.

Checo so bad even Zealand's firing shots at him

@Kehlalam

4 күн бұрын

😂😂

The trend in modern football reminds me of the trend in modern Hollywood movies, where the goal is just to put out safe, sterile products with the goal of making as much money as possible without bothering about making any cultural impact or impression. Like, I can’t remember a single moment from Man City’s recent 4-peat clinching season, just like I can’t quote a single line or hum a musical theme from Avatar 1/2 or any Marvel phase 4 movie. On the other hand, I remember so many iconic moments from Man United’s disastrous but ultimately trophy-winning season, just like I know of so many terrible but iconic scenes from Madame Webb (despite not even having seen the movie)…

I have not gotten into a Category 1 academy, but I know several coaches in them currently. I've coached for a few years now, and hopefully can carry on and get my A license. I say it because I actually think it's perverse what is going on in academies and in football. The health of football is built on the quality of coaching through academies, and the players they make. And right now, some of the best academies in Europe are killing talent, killing players, and forcing good coaches, good scouts, good players out of the sport. Redknapp recently lamented the influx of 20year old nerds who've never played getting jobs in the game, I am one of those 20 somethings that never played, but I know who he means, and he's right. There has been an influx of "coaches" who force through to their B license in record time, and do so without any understanding of players. They run shit drills from a pdf of Guardiola's sessions from 15 years ago, they copy an outdated Italian methodology from 40 years ago (Thanks De Zerbi) and complain when kids don't turn up. They draw shapes like 3223 on a pamphlet, tell kids to recreate it, and wonder why they get pumped 9-0 on the weekend. "Kids aren't good enough," they say. That young Palmer who demands the ball - it's his fault, stay out wide, don't dribble, don't give the ball away, wait for the wide routine we did for 2 hours on Thursday night to become possible, run it, and you might get the scholarship = talent lost. Nobody shoots, a complete lack of finishers in academies. Nobody knows how to tackle, how to unbalance, accelerate and decelerate, because they spend every session running routines. This makes shit players - shit players makes shit football. Thankfully some academies aren't drinking the cool-aid of the charlatan agents, jumped up scouts, and idiot analysts are trying to sell to clubs. They make talent. Brazil makes talent. But England? man, they need to shape up and kill the cancer that's festering in their academy system.

Regarding rule changes to get Football more entertaining... There were two very important rule changes in the 1990's that transformed the game. 1) The 3-points for a win making winning that more important. Now you may see both teams going for the win late in tied matches, just to get those two extra points. That type of game strategy was seldom seen in the 2-point era. 2) That the keeper can't pick the ball up with his hands when receiving the ball from a team mate. That change, first implemented in the World Cup 1994, has made inte possible to press high as teams do nowadays. Before this rule was introduced you could always pass the ball back to the keeper and be safe. It was also used late in matches as a tactic to kill the clock. Very boring indeed. So football has done rule changes to improve the game and both these changes has been a success I think. Going back further in time... about a century ago they changed the offside rule, from three players to two. Also to make the game more entertaining.

The meta may have shifted away from long intricate dribbles and insane longshots being a common thing, but we still do get intricate passing sequences that are lovely to watch at times, and there are managers who play a more direct style of football aswell as those who just play the slow build up of Pepball.

@thebiglebrowski3695

4 күн бұрын

The problem is that the teams who play that more direct style aren't the top teams. They don't have the same quality of player. And when they do, the bigger clubs sign them. Take Grealish for example. He was electric and exciting at Villa so Pep signed him and removed all of the creativity.

@andreibarbu3444

4 күн бұрын

Watching "intricate passing" is glorified lateral passing

@hkar4385

4 күн бұрын

​@@thebiglebrowski3695Agree. When I watch Greslish at Man City I think he can't dribble but then I remember the goal he scored against Man United when he was at Aston Villa.

It's very sad to see football in it's current state but I think it's more of a reflection of society as a whole. There are great young players coming up, but there's something missing. We used to watch football for magical moments. Memorable games tended to stick longer because of the lack of social media that overanalyzes everything. There was a magical vibe in the air every time because life was so raw. The technique of top players was so refined you could literally see the 10s of thousands of hours put into it. The spontaneous, off the cuff, creative & system breaking creativity were encouraged and is now being suppressed. Players had a massive personalities & mentality. There were specialists. Lack of PR media training. Fierce rivalries. Flares banners hooligans all being removed slowly. VAR not allowing us to celebrate without the overlords allowing us. Goal celebrations were loader because everyone used to live in the moment without phones. So many more things that i'm probably forgetting. It's a bit of nostalgia mixed with 95% reality. Football unfortunately has lost most of it's magic.

Let's be real, 90+% os all football matches have always been boring. I'm a 34 years old brazilian, have watched world cups since 98, italian seria A since around 2003 and brazilian seria A longer than that. Most of the times, I was deeply bored. Yes, when R9 played, Zidane, Ronaldinho and many others. More than 90% of the matches are full of boring moments and then there's a sudden burst of emotion when someone scores. Football has ALWAYS been like this. I still watch it, seeing one or two good plays and good goals are bizarrely worth all the other boring moments. This sport is weird like that. What bothers me is people pretending that it was so exciting, so thrilling, when reality is that 90's and 00's football was just a bunch of 0x0, 1x0 and, at best, 2x1 matches. But romanticism makes people misremember stuff.

@man4437

4 күн бұрын

Yeah, it just feels like nostalgia making people long for the days when it was still boring, buf it was MY kind of boring

@rottenpotato4733

4 күн бұрын

@@man4437 Yep, even the speech is the same. Growing up, used to hear all the time that "football sucks now, it was so much better in the 70s and 80s". Best football is always the one from our youth, best players are always the ones we watched growing up. Of course it is, because we're more emotionally invested then.

@GizmoMcs

4 күн бұрын

i disagree, you would still watch the matches to see what R9 or Ronaldinho could do, now everyone just plays super boring and you know no player will do anything exicting.

@rottenpotato4733

4 күн бұрын

@@GizmoMcs Have youi watched Real Madrid x Manchester City 3 years in a row in the champions league? All 6 games were freaking amazing. I'm absolutely astonished by what Vini does, or Bernardo Silva, De Bruyne and so on. Am I saying they're better than R9 or R10? No. But most of the game wasn't them with the ball. Ronaldinho played with Giuly, Van Bommel, guys who were kinda underwhelming to be honest. Yeah, there was also Eto'o, Deco and other good ones, but watching a game isn't watching a highlight youtube video, I watched a lot of Ronaldinho matches and a lot of times he wasn't that inspired. Whenever he was it was amazing, but he was never as constant as people like to pretend he was.

@NeilLewis77

4 күн бұрын

Very true mate. I'm English and I vividly remember one day leaving my friends where I was having fun, to go inside to watch Blackburn v Bradford. It was 1995 and I was 14 years old. Within 5 minutes of kick I realised I'd made a mistake and should of stayed out playing with my friends. It was so boring I changed the channel. Football has always been boring untill someone has a shot.

I think its bandwagon hopping - a few people said it now suddenly everyone's had the exact same opinion for ages. "Boring robotic football" brought the most amount of goals in the prem last season

@TGFLdn24

4 күн бұрын

...but it has been said quietly for a few years now.....the talk has got louder because there are two international tournaments that has not overwhelmed the majority of football fans and league football season gone has not been exactly been "peek".

@haashim1411

4 күн бұрын

@@TGFLdn24What? Literally countless memorable games from last season.

@TGFLdn24

4 күн бұрын

@@haashim1411 memorable for being great exciting football that even non football fans enjoyed or memorable because there has been wins that was not expected?

@TGFLdn24

4 күн бұрын

@@haashim1411 ...But, if you enjoyed it great, there has been a few watchable moments, i just don't seem to get that impression from the reactions to football lately that this has been an exciting period on the pitch, But i guess this is all based on experience.

@haashim1411

4 күн бұрын

@@TGFLdn24 A few games off the top of my head Chelsea 4-3 United Chelsea 4-4 City United 3-2 Liverpool United 3-3 Coventry City 4-4 Chelsea City 3-4 Real Madrid United 4-3 Wolves Liverpool 4-3 Fulham Bournemouth 4-3 Luton Newcastle 4-3 West Ham Newcastle 4-4 Luton And that’s just this season lmao, haven’t even got into the European leagues and other ucl games

For me the two Neymar and Lucas Paqueta clips, where they each got booked a yellow card for doing a rainbow flick to get out of the corner are perfect examples for what I really don't want to see in football: Punishment for creative solutions and flashy skill moves. Sure, if you are in front of an empty goal and decide to go on your knees to head in the ball, that's just unnecessary and should be punishment but not simply showing off and letting the enemy players look bad. That's exactly why we love those type of players and if the opposing players get frustrated that's there problem.

@symptomofsouls

4 күн бұрын

Nah screw that players making other teams look stupid should be encouraged

@mjtrommel

4 күн бұрын

@@symptomofsouls I agree. That's why we fell in love with those players. It's a important part of the beautiful game

@symptomofsouls

4 күн бұрын

@@mjtrommel I swear if a ref booked me for a rainbow flick I'm getting sent off, no way I would be able to stay cool after that

Zealand showing his age, Ronaldinho played more on the left flank than the middle

In a non football sense, it's like what can happen in gaming. In Speedrunning, people aim to be as fast as possible, but sometimes there'll be a new trick that makes it so boring and tedious that people will completely stop playing and watching it. Similarly, games like runescape end up where everyone is doing the same thing all the time because it's the optimum way to play, but this can make it boring and tedious.

Checo catching strays from Zealand 😭😭😭

Let's just give these positional managers like Pep a super league and 11 robots to duke it out, since that's clearly what they want. Why bother with pesky players who might have *gasp* some level of self-expression! What's more egregious is that even my local football teams aren't safe from this.

You said that players are better now so Pele and Ronaldinho wouldn't be as good, but the opposite is also just as possible. They could also benefit from the status quo of the modern game and become better in certain aspects of the game. While the systems they played in differ from the ones we see today doesn't mean they have no chance of adapting. These players were geniuses of the game, that would count for alot.

@ShyGuyTravel

4 күн бұрын

Yeah I disagree with Z on this one - if Ronaldinho was coached in the context of today’s game, with his talent, of course he’d be great.

@mythpfizer3995

3 күн бұрын

@@ShyGuyTravel If he was coached in today's game he wouldn't be Ronaldinho.

Olds will old

As you said, it's with all sports... NBA basketball, 3 point shooters became better so it became more of a 3 point contest instead of physical 1 on 1 game it used to be with dominating centers in the 90s and a lot of people hate that, a lot of people hate other aspects of modern day NBA too, but life is life. If a coach finds a way how to ''hack'' a certain sports and it is within rules, that is where it will move, until as you said, somebody else figures out how to break that new system. Only issue is that maybe since now sports are very stats and computer analysis driven - maybe this IS the best way how to play the sport so that could be the issue, maybe anything else than Pep ball or shooting a lot of 3s in NBA is the most optimal way how to win. In NBA they always can abolish the 3 point or move it further out, they have done it in past, with football it is more difficult, it is a more conservative sport where rules do not change that drastically

I'm really tired of what I call U-turns where the GK passes to the CB, CB to LB, LB to LW, LW to LB, LB to CB, CB to CB, CB to RB, RB to RW, and repeat

@Binzob

4 күн бұрын

It's objectively the most effective way to play though isn't it? Like depends on how the other team chooses to play, but it gets results, so of course every team that has players that suit it will try to play like that. Not entertaining, but creates the best and most consistent chances.

@MarioSantos-zx4bj

4 күн бұрын

@Binzob I feel it's up to luck, my team gave up 4 free chances to the opponent by having the 13th pass between CB1 and CB2 be wrong, in the same match, and all the opponent ever did was 1 or 2 forward passes and they where already shooting

@Binzob

4 күн бұрын

@@MarioSantos-zx4bj True, does rely on the team not making mistakes which is why it's more effective at the top level and thus more common there. My team tried similar stuff in a lot of our games. Missing our main striker most of the season so didn't really have anyone to cross too and no real goal threat, yet we still almost won the league with that playstyle and having the best defence and by far the best keeper. He even gave away the ball once while passing between the backline and we conceded. We at least had a few players who were creative and sometimes would try to create something from nothing so it wasn't dreadful to watch at all.

everything is so systematic and robotic........ No flair, no charisma, no soul and no passion. I hate modern football too.

@Hartley_Hare

4 күн бұрын

Agreed. The dread hand of Guardiola is everywhere on the modern game and it's made everything absolutely sterile. Flair players have no place in this, because they do unpredictable things and modern coaching doesn't like that.

@havenharris1793

4 күн бұрын

@@Hartley_HareGuardiola literally coaches Doku💀

@Hartley_Hare

4 күн бұрын

@@havenharris1793 One player doesn't mean anything. And, while we're at it, ask Guardiola about his team doctor.

@ashtonndlovu9470

4 күн бұрын

Have you not seen that Doku is only good because he plays more freely than the rest He was never meant to take grealish's place he did that by being creative He's clearly not a tactic plan he's an outlier ​@@havenharris1793

@haashim1411

4 күн бұрын

@@Hartley_HareDid Pep put a gun to every managers head and tell them to play like him? Use your fucking brain.

Perhaps relying too much on systems and big data is what ruined football, it sucked out the creativity of players, they used to figure out the game with more moments of brilliance and skill. Marcelo Bielsa: "Guardiola did a lot of damage to football"

@GamerFlair

4 күн бұрын

Its more just that players are better and fitter then they ever have been. Tactics are tactics and you always play the best way you can. Ultimately with the high skill cap across the board, along with the exceptionally high fitness levels, you have to wear your opponents down to force them into mistakes. Keeping posession is the best way to do that, forcing the opponent to move, move, move. Then your able to exploit that in the last 15 minutes of a game, when they finally do begin to tire and you have less tireness due to not having to have chased the whole game.

@RaulEdu33

4 күн бұрын

@@GamerFlair I agree, and you are right, modern football requires elite athleticism. I don't mind any of tactics, just some of the rules that allow teams to exploit flaws in the game and the refs that allow them. I guess tactical fouls grind my gears the most, many teams get away with too many without seeing a yellow card.

@tariqomer4678

4 күн бұрын

Guardiola isn't really the one to blame here. Coaches' job is to find a winning formula for the team and he found the best one yet. The problem is, there is only one or two counters to this type of football. There are 3 ways to play against Guardiola: 1. Outplay in his own game. Which is almost impossible to achieve. But still possible. 2. Play a very very risky and provoking style of play which is as stated, very risky. 3. Play an extremely low block and try to close whatever space. Which is the easiest option but still hard nontheless.

@GamerFlair

4 күн бұрын

@@RaulEdu33 Yeah, tactical fouls do get very annoying, although I suppose they are better then the old, lets just break this guys leg cos his too good fouls of old! Ironically, tactical fouls are essentially what the dribbly boys now get used for. A team is never going to let you dribble though them, they will pull a tactical foul, so thats how dribbly boys get told to play, get the ball and dribble in places where we have practice set pieces from and draw the inevitable foul.

@mythpfizer3995

3 күн бұрын

So essentially, coaches should try to do worse to please some people.

I think Ronaldinho would have been just as good as he was back then. Would he have been able to produce as many crazy dribbles and tricks? Maybe not. But he was an elite playmaker, scorer, and free kick taker, and he would have found ways to dominate. Also, as far as I know he played left wing at Barca.

As a barca fan our games were very dramatic and high scoring this year , tough year for us but at least we had goals and young players with attacking interest

@madlad4206

3 күн бұрын

Football all around Europe was incredible this year, some clowns are just mad their "legacy team" isn't doing well or are just nostalgia merchants that can't fathom change

Lost me when you said Ronaldinho wouldn't be great now. That's insane. Put a prime Ronaldinho in any good team right now, and he would still be amazing. The game is definitely different now, but it's absolutely possible for great players to stand out from the rest.

I don't blame him

@GNMbg

4 күн бұрын

I do

their right, we need to all go back to four four fucking two with the CB hoofing it up to the ST at every possible opportunity

International soccer has had the same problem for literally decades: Essentially the problem is there's way fewer games than club football, this results in: 1. Way more pressure 2. Way less team chemistry 3. Teams "playing not to lose" rather than "playing to win" You'll notice at the club level the top teams are way more aggressive in attack because they know over the course of ~38 league games that the strategy will pay off. However no one wants to take those chances in the group stage of a major competition & *certainly* not in the knockout stages. *However:* I don't really see a solution to the "boring" soccer you see in international competitions, *increasing* the games in an already congested fixture schedule *seems like an even worse idea*

@ameenshihab3616

4 күн бұрын

Tf international football is more entertaining than club these days wtf are u talking abt 💀💀💀💀

Honestly I feel like the point being made simply isn't true, the rules have been changed to make peps boring football more effective. No more yellows for tactical fouls if advantage is given, to reduce cards for teams like City. Dealing out yellows and reds for simply playing football and accidentally connecting with someone also makes it so that the more defending you have to do even if you're entirely careful while doing so will result in yellows and reds meaning more opportunity for peps boring ass football to break you down. We are living in the reality that rules are being put in place to make sure the relentless grind of a Guardiola team is the best way to play.

100% me and my mates were on about this the other day - nowadays you don’t really get that edge of your seat feeling, that blood and thunder type football - like when we used to watch Brazil Ronaldo, Figo, Zidane, Ronaldinho etc

Change is not necessarily a continuous progress into something better and better. Elite players from the 2010s, 2000s, 1990s and sometimes even 1980s received since their puberty a very professional coaching and training and scientific nutrition and whatnot. The tiny little differences in "sports science" (if that exists) cannot be so significant as to make todays athletes significantly better than those of the 2000s (and who knows if polution, plastics and the FIFA videogame obsession of many players affect them negatively). And many perceived differences in physicality may be differences in the quality of the pitch (we don't see mud anymore, which was ubiquitous in the 1980s), the ball and the boots.

I got interested in football watching Ronaldinho in 2004. I don't think there is anyone now who could interest my son to get interested in football.

Pretty cool to know Zealand's hobby in history. I'd rather have an evolution that has so sort of front foot football as opposed one that is on the back foot.

This does remind me of the two line pass rule in the NHL and it's removal in 2005 to kill the neutral zone trap that was sucking the life out of hockey.

@lkrnpk

4 күн бұрын

A long long time ago basketball introduced shot clock because same thing was sucking out the life of sport, like in football now, players would be passing the ball around for eternity trying to score the perfect basket. Now I am not saying we need that in football, to count down seconds of how long are you allowed to go on attack without an attempt on goal, but that is one possibility :D Although adding more complexity to football would make it less like football

There is the MLS where there is more chaos, more exciting. But I still enjoy watching Man City because I find it beautiful in a way. Full disclosure I'm a City and a Chicago Fire fan.

Yes, Pep is the most influential manager of all time, people will watch his team's style of play over the years in awe and try to replicate it. That doesnt mean Pep is to blame for managers lack of innovation and their decision to try and copy Pep as a recipe for success.

Football is not as fun to watch now as it was pre 2010 IMO. I think it's too restrictive now and players don't look like they're particularly having as much fun and being expressive appears to have vanished. We used to celebrate fun platers like Jay Jay and Ronaldinho, we won't see players like that again. Each to their own opinions though, I won't bash others for having a different opinion to me

I know Zealand mentions he doesn't want a lot of rules changes, but one thing that I always remember on this topic is an article I read in the Athletic about Socrates, the Brazil great of the 70s-80s, who said his solution to how to make football more free and open like it used to be was simple - make it 7-a-side. He actually wrote a PhD thesis on the topic. The gaps on the pitch the creative players and dribblers needed got smaller when athleticism started to rise in the 90s-2000s and this problem wasn't going to correct itself, it was only going to get worse, so the solution was to shrink the size of the teams. I don't think this will ever seriously be considered, but I've always found that idea fascinating and wonder if a 7-a-side league could take off at some point with the kinds of players like Ronaldinho or Ozil who don't really have a place in today's game spearheading the league.

Clearly the only way to solve this is by creating Football 2

It’s gonna be a 3-4-3 tiki taka revolution with fluid forwards and a revolving midfield that covers the entire pitch

I must add that tactics in football are cyclical, meaning, there was the time of no-pressing, then came the time of full-pressing, i.e., total football, everyone attacks, everyone defends, then this took a backseat as well for a decade, two or more, and now we're back on this Pep-Guardiola full pressing during 90 minutes types of games, but hear my words: it's going to change again! It's bound to change again. That's the very nature of the sport of football. There will always be someone with a new idea for the game, and on top of that idea, there will be someone with an idea to top that previous idea of the game, and so forth, until the end of times. And the biggest reason it will change? Because there will always be an Ibrahimovic, a Berbatov, Romario, Mourinho, Xabi Alonso and so on. There will always be some person that will impose their game upon the way the game is being played. What do you call Leverkusen's football this past season? It wasn't full-pressing for 90 minutes, sure there were moments of that, but for the most part, Leverkusen were pretty suicidal throughout their season, playing contained, long-balled, possession-less football. Look how many times throughout the season did Leverkusen got a goal in the 90+ minutes of the game, either it being an equalizer or a buzzer-beater victory goal, and that's because they didn't care so much, like a religious zealots, in keeping the ball at their feet at all times. They allowed the game to flow, and they flowed with it, thus fucking with the minds of all their opponents - with the exception of Atalanta. Xabi Alonso's tactics are basically: "the opponent will score, and we will equalize, and then the opponent will score again, and then will turn the game in our favor, while fucking with the heads of our opponents."

The way goals were scored in the euros is indeed different. Own goals are the new meta

Ah, so they are all turning older then 35 years old.

Reminds me of Rockies/Yankees pitcher Adam Ottovino stating that he would strike Babe Ruth out every time. All modern MLB pitchers would. Ruth was drinking beers, eating hot dogs... he wouldn't make a pro roster today without being a different person

People in 1880: “The codification of football is destroying the game, football was better in 1860.” People in 1940: “The professionalization of the game has ruined football, the game was better in the 1920 when only amateurs could take part.” People in 2010: “The monetization of football has killed the game, the sport was better before big money and the Premier League back in 1990. Nostalgia and rose colored glasses will always lead to this circle jerking. Everything changes, adapt of die.

@Binzob

4 күн бұрын

Except those aren't anything to do with a certain style of play.

@athosgomesfonseca

4 күн бұрын

@@Binzob wait, what?! It has EVERYTHING to do with the style of play, or do you think we have play the beautiful game exactly the same for the over 160-years the game has been codified? Style changes, a generation grows up with it, then a new generation comes up, style changes again, now the old heads are all crying over how the game was just better before. It’s all the same, designed to garner engagement.

@Binzob

4 күн бұрын

​@@athosgomesfonseca Football becoming professional isn't a change in the way it's played. Football becoming codified also isn't a change in the way it's played. Yes they will have resulted in changes, but what is being talked about here is simply a change in the way it's being played, nothing else. And nothing to do with shit from 100+ years ago. Which, lets be honest no one cares about how they may have changed football. Monetisation is the same thing, it isn't inherently a change in the way the sport is played. Though it absolutely has over the last few decades caused the sport to become dreadful to watch at the top (club level, internationals can still be somewhat interesting). And it's not necessarily circle jerking. I see people complain about people complaining about change all the time. Change for the sake of change isn't always good. This change hasn't been good. Man City are beyond boring to watch. Same with most of the other top clubs. I don't watch football to see which team can play the mostly efficiently, and most people are in that same boat. The womens game is genuinely closing in on the mens game for how entertaining it is. They don't spend half the match on the floor, and they at least try to play something different from this high possession bullshit. I watched all the womens CL semis and final, can't say the same for the mens. Enjoyed them too. Wouldn't be saying the same if I watched the mens almost certainly.

@madlad4206

3 күн бұрын

​@@BinzobGuy who watches awful women's game finds modern top level games boring lmao, give your head a wobble. The quality of football in any women's league is absolutely embarrassing, I've given it a try, they just aren't that good. And no, the women's game is nowhere near the men's game lmao, very few people watch it and they hardly get any TV deals outside of Europe. You are just delusional lmao

I don't think any team or individual footballer should be expected to care about anything other than winning. I want to see Pep's teams dissect opponents, but I also want to see Atletico grind out wins by counter-attacking teams. The problem for me is that there is this expectation, an entitlement from watchers that teams should play beautiful, incisive, exciting football so everybody tries to play like Pep.

I don't think Pep should be criticized for other teams trying to play the way his teams do. He is just one manager controlling one team. If other managers are trying to play his way without the applicable talent that Pep has had, it's not going to go quite as well. I also think that if a team playing Pep is just going to park the bus, what do you expect Pep's team to do? Shoot from 40 yards out and give away the ball? No.

I would LOVE to see Zealand create a video on the main channel discussing the "next progression" of tactics that has been emerging for the past few seasons. I think we're already shifting away from the more automated, positional approaches, and we're approaching a blurring of the lines between juego de posicion and relationism. I'd highly encourage a read-through of Jamie Hamilton's works to help understand the alternate approach to Guardiola's and his disciples. The future of tactics is really exciting, and I think many people don't realize that we're already shifting towards a new "meta" style!

Anyone who says football is boring doesn't remember world cup italia 90 or euro 92. You played either a defensive 442 or defensive 532. If they measured a games XG then it would have probably been around 0.01. An average game had more mullets than shots. Football now is fun... except when teams break the rules 115 times obviously.

High level teams play to win the game ,not to make a show ,obv is not fun for the fans most of the time

Ah yes because football in England back in 80s and 90s was so exciting with most teams hoofing the ball to their target man every chance they get. These clowns complaining about tactics need to watch some full games between some mid/lower table sides in 90s lmao

1 day we're all complaining about how Gabriel Jesus has no end product, then the day after we get mad that Haaland (as old school of a striker as you can get) is getting recognition because he's not versatile. 1 day we get mad that Leao hasn't scored in a month, the other that Grealish plays too robotic.

Whats annoying about this Is that everyone tries to play this way even teams with no budget. PLAY THE WAY THAT HELPS YOU WIN!!! Look at Grece from Euro 2004 If they tried to play like Pep they would have been destroyed but they played an ugly dirty way and it led to one of the greatest underdog stories in history. Mangers don't h1help either if a defender dribbles in his own penalty area and gets dispazested by a forward which leads to a game winning goal they won't chew them out for doing something so careless and stupid instead they say don't worry about it no big deal. The way the game should by played is not Peps way it's always the way that helps you win.

Unironically profound take you’ve made here. But where you say the euros is exciting, I will raise you to the Copa America this year. Absolute mania, fast-paced end-to-end football with old school passion and desire from all players, coaches and spectators

The modern Game is boring because they can’t adapt, and they despise quote on Quote ”immigrants“ and ”the wrong type of football fans” Ruining their local club or whatever excuse they use to explain their racism

Guardiola is the antagonist from that Nike ad where all the star Nike athletes team up against his robot ai team (Halaand?)

@merlinbotha363

4 күн бұрын

That and the modern game is extremely analytically driven

@haashim1411

4 күн бұрын

Pep Guardiola did not force the majority or managers in the world to copy his ideas. Whatever is winning, people want to copy. Use your brain.

this is what happens when it goes from the working mans game to global sports ball. pajeets and chinese will gobble up anything they are told to. this is why the super league is inevitable.

... another side of this is, the modern fan has way more options outside of just watching football. Can the football world convince the modern fan to watch its games day in day out for 10 months of the year? Playing football games, watching football KZread shows, not talking banter online etc, we are talking about watching a full 90mins of top level football across the world, does it do enough to grab attention and full entertainment?

@Binzob

4 күн бұрын

For me? Not often. I watched maybe 5 premier league games this season, even less from the UCL and other leagues. Which is admittedly more than the last 5 or so years, but still nothing compared to the probably 30-50 I was watching before then. Half the games are at 4am for me and I am working full time now, but I'll get up at 4am to watch a Counter Strike tournament. Football though? Yeah not gonna bother. And it's not like I don't still love football. I watch (almost, life gets in the way sometimes) every single game for my club. Men and womens. Same with the national team. Watched more womens CL games this year than the mens. I think it's just top level football at this point not doing it for me anymore.

@madlad4206

3 күн бұрын

@@Binzob oh look at me I'm so hip

@Binzob

3 күн бұрын

@@madlad4206 How exactly am i trying to be hip?

@madlad4206

3 күн бұрын

@@Binzob ohh look at me I watch women’s football and don’t watch top flight football. Clown.

Players and especially coaches are better than they used to be, that’s why

2:04 and most modern football haters feel like to much ”American influence“ is affecting who wins and who doesn’t

I think leverkusen has shown that wing backs will be much more important in the near future

90s 4-4-2 football was - and everyone agrees with this - the best football.

I think the new thing might be Xabi/Nagelsmann's exploration of narrow, pointed attack. Which, ironically, both often feature two number 10s. They both play 3421, but that's not necessarily the relevant feature of their styles.

Pep has mastered a certain way of playing and identifying the best players to get the best out of that system. He then tries to tweak as different players come along. It doesn't always get better, Arguably Barca Pep is still the mega digievolution of his system. The issue is that too many managers are too afraid, too tactfully naive or even just not really good enough at management to identify alternative ways of getting the best out of players that will disrupt this Pep system. Klopp, for instance, has got the best out of rather different players and been reasonably successful. It will happen. No one thought the Italian way of playing would be bettered in the late 80s and 90s. Other systems like Jose's have come and gone while being dominant. This issue is especially obvious for the Euros as you have to deal with the players you have. You can't just bring in a Brazilian Goalkeeper with better ball control or a Spanish mid-fielder who is happy to sit and run the game from a deep position. You have to play to the players strengths and very few have done this.

Is it time to bring back the 4-4-2? Long ball into the box? I think I remember Graham Taylor after taking the England job, defending the long ball game by saying that statistics showed the average number of touches or passes in a team play, that resulted in a goal, was 3. The long ball game WAS the scientific approach, at that time in history! Keeper or defender hoofs it up field... the target man controls it... plays a through ball into the box as the other striker sprints to meet it and shoots... Goal! The rest of the game was body checking anyone near the ball leading with elbows and scything two footed tackles to injure the quick fellas or win possession... Then pass back to keeper and repeat!

If you went for a run, you would get to know what outside looks like

Just a few days ago in the Euros we saw a defender dribble the ball up through the midfield to send a pinpoint pass up to the attackers to continue the counter attack, football is alive and well people just focus on what they hate

I want to cut down the game match to 60mins and then cut down the size of the field to half the size it is now. This will do 2 things faster plays and more technical plays. It should also result in more goals as players gets less tired. Then i would put in a rule that says only 4 back passes before you need to pass it over the half way line otherwise its a penalty. Then i would remove offside completely as its a stupid rule. I would also give both teams 2 timeouts during a match lasting no more then 2 mins each to make tactical changes. 90mins is to long for a match.

People, just watch the goals from the Copa America 2001, 2004 and 2007 on KZread and you will understand that modern soccer is terribly boring compared to then.

This is a psychology problem. Pep has his system. People trying to copy it is their own philosophy problem.

While i understand the perspective of letting the game correct itself, historically, rules have always been introduced to make the game more exciting. It just happens at a much slower pace than it does in American sports. Offside rule changes, passing back to the keeper, or even pitch regulations have positively impacted fan enjoyment shows that some slight adjustments to nudge the game in the “right” direction can be really effective

Players are better, especially defenders. That means trying to dribble past 5 people whilst rubbing your belly with one hand, patting your head with the other whilst wearing a blindfold is less likely to be successful then it was. If you lose the ball, players are better at moving the ball forward and therefore putting you at more risk. Players are also far fitter on average then they used to be. This means they are able to maintain defensive shape and presses for far longer then they used to be. A key part of the game now is wearing down your opponents. Thats why the majority of goals are scored in the last 15 minutes of a match. Also, Ronaldinho mostly played as a winger, not a 10. He used to cut inside a fair bit, but he wasn't really a 10. He basically had the same role Messi had, he would be played on the wing but had freedom to kind of do whatever the fuck he wanted.

As someone who grew up watching football in the 90’s and 00’s the game has went stale. End to end football doesn’t really exist anymore. Barcelona were incredible 06-14, Spain won everything in that period. That tiki taka style of keeping the ball became the norm. Now everyone does it in every game. 30 yards out going left and right left and right never really getting a ball in the box. It was absolutely painful as a Scot watching them try to do that on the halfway line for 270 minutes. But it’s arguably even worse watching a team full of great players like England, Portugal, Italy or France doing it, All these great players playing keep ball and afraid to try anything. Footballs crap now. Time for the Fullkrug revolution. Mon Germany.

I could never understand what was stopping those guys from the 60s from running more. It's not even a tactical thing, was there no will to run at someone to get the ball back? What were they thinking about just standing there? When I play 5 a side, I just know that running more will likely help my team more. The willingness to run is possibly the most straight forward thing for my brain. So why weren't they running more???

I advise English people to actually watch other leagues. I watched a lot of Liga Portugal this year and it was so much more fun than most of PL games, because players in leagues like Laliga and Liga Portugal are technically and tactically great but don't have the physicality for Prem. Believe it or not players there can actually cross the ball and dribble past defenders(not just run past them)

F*ck! I'm impressed! Methods of communication in the Ottoman Empire is seriously interesting.

This explains why Wayne Rooney is so bad at managing.

@Sam-es2gf

4 күн бұрын

Yeah I'm sure trying to play pep ball with the quality at Derby and Birmingham would've helped

I dont know what game are some of you guys watching but ive got the oportunity to watch a lot of the Euros and ive come across some insanely fun games from the most unexcpected teams and later on ive watched Copa América games that are totally different. Football its at a great place right now, and trust me ive started watching football like 2005 and back then it wasnt that much different, even more: back then big teams use to rule the world but nowadays with the help from science and statistics, lower or smaller teams can keep up with the giants and thats fun and interesting.

@italianplastic23

4 күн бұрын

the giants are all weak and without identity now....full of hyped up players

I hate to jump in with the "Ive noticed this for ages" talk but it has been obvious to me due to the lack of proper No. 10s, the mavericks seem to be gone as well, getting pushed out for more athleticism. Theres a real lack of variation in tactics as well, we used to have teams counteracting each other, not just defensively of course. The mavericks lit the game up for me

Once money is involved its always going to evolve this way. The evolution has been slightly corrected - gene modification let's say. It's not about entertainment because the vast majority of money is from sponsors and cup wins, not ticket sales. I can honestly say as a Liverpool supporter (granted one not from there), Klopp's two seasons where the most enjoyable. I LOVED watching those games. I enjoy the tactical side of football but in the end I want it to be fun. It's the difference between playing Crusader Kings and a purely economic history sim where I'm basically just looking at numbers.

People always think it was better before, and will until the end of history. It’s a cognitive bias. Time has a quality that filters out the boring, and brings the big exciting moments to the forefront. In terms of boredom per minute, football has stayed about as equally boring across generations. We just forget the boring stuff (for obvious reasons). We were also younger back then - everything is a lot more intense when you’re younger. We sit here complaining that the game is ruined but nonetheless addicted to football content - we haven’t moved on to cricket or handball for a reason.

Football styles come and go, when someone comes up with a winning counter to The Pep™, that'll become popular

Question: If we're saying athleticism has become much more important on the pitch than it ever was before - then why are we also questioning the FM match engines weight importance for the physical abilities of players?

Spain vs Georgia was amazing football.

We already introduced offside and that the goalkeeper have put the ball into play after 6 seconds. AND! the 6 seconds only start when he is able to put it into play. I don't think that many people actually know that 😅 My point is. They have always tried things out to make the game faster. They have also talked about to make it illegal to make headers because of head traumas, not from head collisions but from the force from the ball. The rules will always be talked about to fit the abilities of the player.

The expression shown by a team on the field is a reflection of the creativity of the manager. Pep Guardiola uses a system that is good for his teams. Other managers lack creativity and try to emulate those tactics for very different teams. So, not only does the repetition of a system create boredom, but also the poor compatibility of tactics and team. An example: in the past Premier League season, Burnley tried and failed miserably to implement "expansive" football tactics, and it wasn't very fun to watch. Luton Town used a very different system to be competitive with the qualities of the squad they had. Despite suffering relegation, they actually posed a challenge for most of the teams in the PL, and many people found it entertaining. I don't think it's Pep's tactics that are boring, but the lack of smart creativity on the side of the managers.

My granddad said the 1958 final was the best football match he have watched. Brazil 5-2 Sweden

i do think the 5 subs us a big impact on the running all game style of play, that i wouldnt mind being changed

Zealand in the pantheon of gods

It's not boring if you're the Argentina national team playing free-flowing football. Pep is a master of the coach controlling everything, which I find distasteful. Fortunately we have Ancelotti.

The average top level professional football is a lot better than what they used to be aswell. Are fans just oversaturated with football nowadays? There used to be a time that you were so hungry to watch the next game that you just couldn’t wait to see it (regardless of who was playing) because there was 3 maybe 4 games a week at a push and you hardly ever heard what went on behind the scenes. Now there’s multiple games on a day, everyone has to know every single tiny piece of news that goes on at their club otherwise they have an anxiety attack. I think people are just trying to be too involved. But hey, I might be wrong I don’t know.