DISCLAIMER : i love both (even if i'm the biggest sabrina fan)
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@sadman1143 Жыл бұрын
if u have idea for others videos ! i take it !
@luckyprovenstar
Жыл бұрын
i love this so much !! pls put the dates in all the clips if you can pls make a part 2 with: the scene in the deja vu music video where Olivia has those tvs and smashed them is the same as what Sabrina does and the same as the tvs in the alien music video sabrinas line in skinny dipping where she says “heat the barista call an oat milk latte in your name” then in an interview a few weeks after that Olivia says something about her not writing about oat milk latte
@pclab79
Жыл бұрын
In your description you say you are the biggest Sabs fan sorry roles already taken
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
@@pclab79 i’m sorry but i don’t think Sabrina follow you on twitter, Send u a dm on twitter + saw her on evolution tour !
@pclab79
11 ай бұрын
@@mayayhq Yes but only one of us can marry her unless she's into that I mean she said Ménage à trois so...
@pclab79
11 ай бұрын
@@mayayhq I am every type of fan for her I've listened to every song she's featured in
@folkmore13 Жыл бұрын
they would’ve been good friends if it wasnt for all that drama
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
yes i'm pretty sure they could be friends
@tate_n
Жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure they are in a good relationship, just away from public’s judgy eye (as per Liv, Conan, Billie Eilish and others being very welcoming and friendly with Bri during her event appearances last year)
@drugcalisrobmanzar5597
Жыл бұрын
you’re weird
@Dani-sj1mc
Жыл бұрын
In the met gala they interacted, they were in the back of a pic
@lama2406
Жыл бұрын
I know but now ppl treat them like Hailey and Selena
@nyx4093 Жыл бұрын
as someone who used to stan olivia and sabrina, the best option is probably just not to compare them anymore
@Suchapinkshit
Жыл бұрын
I think the video is just about coincidences, not comparisons 🤷🏻♀️
@americanapple4608
Жыл бұрын
@@Suchapinkshit same thing tbh
@neelamaulakh
Жыл бұрын
@@americanapple4608 no it is definitely not the same thing
@americanapple4608
Жыл бұрын
@@neelamaulakh joking :D
@AncutaDrimbu-js7ys
Жыл бұрын
@@Suchapinkshit "coincidences", but Sabrina is monitoring every single thing Olivia does
@kingjulienfeetenthusiast Жыл бұрын
They're just two artists expressing their feelings through art. Its you guys that made a big deal of it
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
so true
@qaiiba
11 ай бұрын
FR OMG!!
@pinkleminade
6 ай бұрын
REALL
@speakersp3905
6 ай бұрын
yupppp
@urisuu_
3 ай бұрын
REAL
@blaquelightning6149 Жыл бұрын
sabrina had billy joel on her public spotify playlists which we've had access to since 2014. she was raised on classic music since before she was 3 years old. her first ever youtube cover was a taylor swift song when she was no more than 9 years old so she's always been a swiftie. and "you're so vain" was not only a song she's always posted and loved, but in july she revealed that it was on her album inspiration playlist, specifically inspiring her song "vicious". i won't even get into the death threats y'all gave her because you thought she was a blonde who dated a boy with an ex.
@angelicasano9937
Жыл бұрын
this
@meganmcleod6152
Жыл бұрын
i mean not y’all as in the ppl here but the disgusting ppl who can’t appreciate 3 separate talented ppl in messy situation with no villain bc it’s real life not a movie
@emilyhemsworth77
Жыл бұрын
@@meganmcleod6152 its called conspiracy theory. 🤷♂️
@alykgray
Жыл бұрын
i always thought it was funny how olivia put that part in her song like everyone in the entire world doesn't already know who billy joel is LMAO
@sofiandolga
Жыл бұрын
yes!!!!
@just_me_dhu Жыл бұрын
I have been stanning Sabrina since her first album. And the way she handled the Liv situation..was just so mature. She didnt tear another woman down over a guy. Even in her songs...the lyrics were pure and just reflecting her emotions. If i had to pick a side....id pick Sabrina. People are obsessed with picking sides when humanly things happen...and i dont get why we cant accept some things as just part of life. I dont mean to attack Liv...but my personal opinion is that she kinda did alot of damage to Sabrinas career through not speaking up for her....not just her career...but mental health as well. Fans can be brutal...and if something isnt clear enough theyll make assumptions for themselves. But no. She did whatever to get her music out there. Which i totally respect..cause its her right. I just wish things didnt end up that way. I dont even listen to her music....but i guess they could have been good friends.
@KarlieStarrSings
Жыл бұрын
I don't think anyone needs to pick a side. These are both two human beings who were both incredibly hurt in this situation and had their own way of expressing it in their music. Both their feelings are valid imo. Pinning them up against each is only going to make it worse. I really hope one day they can both come together and reach a common ground
@karizmagillespie
Жыл бұрын
I actually agree sm. Sabrina handled it so mature. I can’t imagine the death threats and hate she got and she turned to music and worded her songs beautifully
@michelletang2242
Жыл бұрын
I don’t think anyone has to pick a side honestly. And as far as the not speaking out part. I kinda agree but maybe Olivia’s label told her not too? We don’t really know what happened
@lolabunny9795
Жыл бұрын
Ur being biased af, liv handled the situation so much better especially for her young age, Sabrina made so many songs towards the situation in no way did she handle it better
@just_me_dhu
Жыл бұрын
@@lolabunny9795 theres a difference between making a song about someone...and making a song about stuff that you're going through. They are both humans and that situation obviously took toll on their mental health one way or another. Like i said...i just hate how things ended up between them.
@raaychiel_2222 Жыл бұрын
They both were on Disney around the same era so maybe Disney had a type😭😭
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
they were together for 1 yr 🤣
@eternallyhappy247
Жыл бұрын
@@sadman1143 ok and
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
@@eternallyhappy247 just one year it’s not the same era… liv was on Disney when girl meets world was almost cancelled
@jacernbrown
2 ай бұрын
Olivia came around 2016 which was around the time Sabrina was leaving. Olivia left in 2020 or 2021 I think (she left bizardbark in 2019)
@randywhite3947
2 ай бұрын
@@jacernbrownbizardbark ended in 2018
@Sarah-tr8wp Жыл бұрын
MY FAVORITE IS SABRINA CONFIRMING OLIVIA WAS RIGHT - olivia "well i hate to think that i was just your type" in dejavu, sabrina "you like a certain type of woman, smart but neglects intuition. when you're insecure, could be me, could be her, you just run to whoever is winning." in vicious
@KarlieStarrSings
Жыл бұрын
OOF that Sabrina lyric though.💀
@thatissofetch5508
Жыл бұрын
Sabrina’s 😮💨💔
@mackayla178
Жыл бұрын
@@KarlieStarrSings yeah she ate
@seaairuh
Жыл бұрын
i was thinking about sabs lyric of “i should’ve know all along i was only the next one to take your love songs as a promise” kinda correlated with “i guess you didn’t mean what you wrote in that song about me” but also with “you just run to whoever is winning” if you linked it specifically to the drama josh posted both skin and driver’s license to his story, then when deja vu came out he posted that as well but nothing for sabrina. could be a crazy coincidence but 🤷♀️
@useruseruser9152
Жыл бұрын
Deja vu is fictional and Olivia didn't even write all of it, she confirmed this herself
@athasyanaila1615 Жыл бұрын
That transition from Sab's cover of You're So Vain to Liv's... Absolutely seamless (no pun intended) ✨
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
yess i love both cover they sound so good
@seraphile5720
Жыл бұрын
LOVE THE REFERENCE
@aftertheaftermath
11 ай бұрын
HAHAHAH THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD TIME TO SAY "PUN INTENDED"
@mirrorballinme744
2 ай бұрын
YES they kinda do the sound the same for real
@Gabrielle_2022 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been a fan of Sabrina since I was like five and I adored her music as a kid. I still know every word of every single song off the Eyes Wide Open album. She influenced and inspired my love for music and it’s one of the reasons I’m a singer today. (Dolly Parton, Miley Cyrus and Pentatonix also heavily influenced me as well) so no matter what I will always love Sabrina.
@zvideosz
Жыл бұрын
this isnt chosing "whos better" this is funny coincidences between the two :)
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
@@zvideosz FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTAND THIS
@aikapalis4219
Жыл бұрын
Lol you're really pitting two incredible girls against each other, are you okay? Geez. You could've just said how much you love Sabrina without having to choose and putting Olivia down. Go get some manners.
@nativenewyorker3144
Жыл бұрын
Not you putting women against each other
@zvideosz
Жыл бұрын
@@sadman1143 yea :)
@tate_n Жыл бұрын
Taylor’s golden daughters 💛 I’m pretty sure they are in a good relationship ❤️ just away from public’s toxic eye Keep in mind: Liv, Conan Grey, Billie Eilish and others were very welcoming and friendly with Sabrina when she finally was comfortable enough to start attending events again in 2022. Not to say, they both said that they don’t support women hate & don’t want negativity going anyone’s way. Additionally, Olivia addressed the public creating drama for their own entertainment in her song Brutal (and I’m so caught up in a news of who likes me & who hates you; and I’m so tired that I might quit my job start a new life and they’d all be so disappointed - ‘cause who am I if not exploited?); and Sabrina addressed the same things in Skin and Because i liked a boy, where she condemns people for villainizing women for allegedly/really liking/dating guys
@Shes_just_basic_like_that
Жыл бұрын
I’m so confused with what the point of this comment is trying to get at…..but are you saying people are mad at this celebrity for not being gay 💀 wth
@ravindermadan9162
Жыл бұрын
@@Shes_just_basic_like_that they’re saying that liv and sabrina and tired of the drama that the public has created just for their own entertainment. They were talking about Joshua Bassett (hope I spelled that right).
@amarisworldd
Жыл бұрын
how she doesn't support women hate but, she basically kept making music about the situation, which would make people go bash Sabrina of what happen. she should've made music on how's the sky blue.
@amarisworldd
Жыл бұрын
@@Pheobebuffett fr she said she goth death threats filling semi-trucks
@blaquelightning6149
Жыл бұрын
Aribrina is better to me
@arbien1763 Жыл бұрын
it's not so funny when you know Sabrina got a lot of death threats from this
@prettywhenicryx
Жыл бұрын
i know and olivia wouldn’t do anything abt it, made me lose my respecg for liv
@seaairuh
Жыл бұрын
@@prettywhenicryxblame her management team instead of her because they didn’t want her to talk about it
@prettywhenicryx
Жыл бұрын
@@seaairuh doesn’t matter, she should have said something. they don’t control her life, she has a voice.
@seaairuh
Жыл бұрын
@@prettywhenicryx even if she had said something people there still would’ve been people sending threats. not to mention olivia has also received threats and racist comments from sabrina fans. i’m sure they’re probably toxic ones but still, people can’t micromanage their fandoms and saying stop isn’t always effective
@prettywhenicryx
Жыл бұрын
@@seaairuh it would’ve shown she cared and she wasn’t only in it for the fame. even if it didn’t stop the hate, i’d still have respect for her bc she tried. what’s ur logic? olivia got some hate but sabrina and along with josh got drowned in hatred and harassment for a year of their lives. don’t try victimizing olivia when she’s in the wrong, it’s just embarrassing.
@angelbaby692 Жыл бұрын
Love how Sabrina didn't send any hate she warmly accepts other's feelings while also validating her's. What a queen ❤️
@user-iw8js7ne3d
Жыл бұрын
olivia did too tho
@chloe_Taylors_Version
3 ай бұрын
Olivia had to do it too?
@uma6965
Ай бұрын
@@user-iw8js7ne3dShe didn’t do anything when her fans were tearing Sabrina apart and sending her death wishes so not exactly
@user-iw8js7ne3d
Ай бұрын
@@uma6965 it’s not her problem?? SHES A BUSY WOMAN WHO SHOULDNT BE SAYING STUFF TO SOME PEOPLE WHO HATE ON SOMEONE. like grow tf up everyone gets hate after all 😂🤷🏿♂️
@bananyamoonie4396
7 күн бұрын
@@user-iw8js7ne3d then dont say olivia did too because thats bs
@MariahAims Жыл бұрын
Always loved Sabrina, even before the drama I liked Olivia, but after everything for the past 2+ years while Sabrina was getting hate she never spoke up about it or said anything to her fans when she was climbing to the top. Other celebrities were even hating Sabrina for something as small as dating someone who was single for a short time bcs of Olivias song. Could never stand for that, then when she did speak up the damage was already done w/ Sabrina being public enemy #1 being told to kill her self.
@lou-xr5rz
Жыл бұрын
This. You're exactly right. I was a fan of Sabrina much earlier, but I actually really liked Olivia before she released Driver's License. But the fact that she did absolutely nothing when her fans were giving Sabrina death threats is unforgivable and idk why people think it's okay that she didn't do anything. She only said she resented it after the worst was over after she did absolutely nothing to tell her fans to stop harassing Sabrina. Vile behaviour and I can't like olivia after that.
@vidang9252
Жыл бұрын
@@lou-xr5rzno fr the way that i literally defended sabrina and called olivia out for not telling her fans to stop sending death threats at the time the drama unfolded, and all i got were insane olivia fans saying that olivia could do no wrong… it’s so funny now how more people are saying that olivia was wrong for that but i’m damn sure those same people were the ones kissing olivia’s ass back then.
@xia_loves.u
Жыл бұрын
Olivia probably didn't speak up bc the label didnt want her too
@karizmagillespie
Жыл бұрын
so real. I understand u may not like her but u still could’ve told ur lil army to not give her literal DEATH threats. Instead she sat there and just proceeded to ignore it.
@babyspice67
Жыл бұрын
EXACTLY sab deserves so much better
@oliviajayward Жыл бұрын
it’s so funny but i love them both
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
Same !!
@tatemcrae8
Жыл бұрын
sameeeee🤍
@SoScarlettItWasMaroon Жыл бұрын
I love Olivia Rodrigo’s music but Sabrina Carpenter raised me. It sounds dumb but when I was young her role as Maya Hart felt like the only person I could relate to. I listened religiously to Sarah and Sabrina when eyes wide open first came out and still love her to this day. I hope they can both be mature about what has happened and move on because they are both so talented
@elizabreathh
Жыл бұрын
I LOVED MAYA SO MUCH.
@cherryizcool Жыл бұрын
im a sabrina stan so im biased
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
i love sabrina with my all heart !!!
@chedscheds9884
Жыл бұрын
But Olivia is a bigger Taylor fan we can all agree
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
@@chedscheds9884 ?
@victoriah1121
Жыл бұрын
@@chedscheds9884 no we can't, Sabrina and Taylor sat together at her most recent award show. Taylor knows what's up.
@cherryizcool
Жыл бұрын
@@chedscheds9884 but like who cares?
@viktoravarkonyi45706 ай бұрын
They need to collab for real. They both just got played by the same dude and then wrote songs about the situation so now people are hating, but nobody attacked the other one. It's the fans who are crazy.
@forciaroandha9855 Жыл бұрын
I really understand Olivia's perspective in the whole situation. It seems like it was her first real heartbreak and that's always a very tough thing for someone to go through. I also think it's a similar situation Taylor went through with "Better than Revenge". I hope Olivia has found the maturity to know that Sabrina likely didn't know the exact story and it wasn't malicious on her part. I still don't get why women always blame each other when the man's the one doing all the talking. Love Sabrina, love Olivia, and ironically love the music that came from the whole situation on both ends.
@elusivids8155
Жыл бұрын
love this take. people really overlook how young olivia was. both girls are amazing!!
@iamlia3069
Жыл бұрын
I’m confused, when did she blame sabrina. The lyrics of her song are bashing ole boy for moving on so fast. She literally states Sabrina is beautiful and she jealous and insecure of her
@tvishaajmera
Жыл бұрын
very well said
@teehee3657
Жыл бұрын
Olivia shouldn’t be classed into that women blaming each other situation. Anytime Sabrina was supposedly brought up in a song, Olivia wasn’t tearing her down or vilifying her, shes only brought up as his beautiful new girl. The focus in most SOUR tracks is on Josh.
@shahanahsan05
11 ай бұрын
@@teehee3657which led to Josh getting death threats for retarded children whilst he was so sick that he had a really high chance of dying
@kendi8771 Жыл бұрын
One thing about me,…. is I’mma stan them both
@seaairuh
Жыл бұрын
SAME !! they’re both so amazing in their own ways
@cinnamorolli Жыл бұрын
i love them both
@WitchlingFairyelle Жыл бұрын
I always feel like the fans make the drama way worse between people than it would’ve been, not just in these two’s situation. I don’t think they dislike each other either or have beef like people think. They’re both kind and just expressing themselves through their art. I’m tired of everyone always pitting women (& even sometimes men) against each other.
@Melonibun
Жыл бұрын
I like ur comment, this is so true cuz usually artists want to express their emotion/feelings into their piece and just want to share it to those who feel related to it. But ppl just want dramas and tea to gossip about it lmao like just relax and enjoy the song instead of snooping into the artist’s life.
@emilypesina3000
Жыл бұрын
Yep. It's the fans that cause drama because they be talking and talking like it's their business. 🙄
@bangtankid2230 Жыл бұрын
Sabrina is so mature, I’m proud of her and I love her songs, I love Olivia’s songs too because it’s relatable but honestly, really upset about what she made Sabrina go through 💔 although it was mainly the fans.
@elusivids8155
Жыл бұрын
olivia didnt cause it tho? never name dropped josh or sabrina. never spoke illy of the girls in her songs. the internet did what it did. chose a narrative and did awful things. i dont think olivia couldve changed the outcome. sucks sabrina went theough everything tho, truly
@GIRLYISMS
Жыл бұрын
@@elusivids8155 …she really could’ve changed the outcome 😭 like maybe just not include the blonde girl? The Billy Joel lines? The entire hint that Sabrina is that girl
@ami2474
11 ай бұрын
@@elusivids8155though Olivia didn't explicitly state Sabrina's name, she gave more than enough hints that showed exactly who she was talking about
@axoltl5462
3 ай бұрын
@@ami2474 I'm gonna be honest though, a lot of those hints don't really line up? At least imo. And even IF she put those hints in there and aimed it at Sabrina, how is she to blame for a bunch of immature internet-drama obsessed weirdos sending an artist death threats?
@chloe_Taylors_Version
3 ай бұрын
@@GIRLYISMSthe song was supposed to be brunette girl but cause Olivia was a brunette her team said to switch it up so it’s blonde if u don’t know anything please don’t talk
@possiblyisaacmusic11 ай бұрын
i hate that people always try to play the narrative that Olivia and Sabrina just hate each other, in Olivia’s songs weather it is about the drama or not, she always complements the other person “but she’s beautiful, she looks kind” she never rips her down.
@hpus318 Жыл бұрын
Comparing them is like comparing Michael and Prince - they are BOTH iconic!
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
Yesss !!
@owo5705
Жыл бұрын
sabrina > olivia
@nativenewyorker3144
Жыл бұрын
@@owo5705 hot people don’t pit women against each other
@thislovesposessingme
Жыл бұрын
@@owo5705 Sabrina = Olivia
@owo5705
Жыл бұрын
@@nativenewyorker3144 hot people would realize that olivia rodrigo is a disgusting human being. where was she when joshua and sabrina were recieving death threats by her toxic fan base? where was she when joshua was in the hospital close to dying? she said NOTHING and just sat back and let that all happen.
@mylahdrexler142410 ай бұрын
love sabrina. my dad is friends with her mom and ive met her a few times. always very nice 🤍
@orteney.
10 ай бұрын
omg the way i would never shut up if i had met her
@mylahdrexler1424
10 ай бұрын
@@orteney. LMAO i almost passed out ahen i met her in person! i used to be a die hard fan frfr
@lilmembrane5207 Жыл бұрын
I will always love sabrina
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
IN THIS HOUSE WE ALL STAN SABRINA FUCKING CARPENTER !
@So_long_london_boy_13_22
3 ай бұрын
@@sadman1143why you gatta be so... "Vicious" 😂😂😂
@paigejohnson9201 Жыл бұрын
love both of them, unfortunate that drama divided them
@apologygirl420
Жыл бұрын
What was the drama
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
@@apologygirl420 the drama was created by fans and people on tiktok !
@prettywhenicryx
Жыл бұрын
actually it’s Olivia’s fault
@lauramller1851
2 ай бұрын
@@prettywhenicryx no it's not 💀
@KarlieStarrSings Жыл бұрын
We need the power of music to bring these two fierce artists together with one epic collab ✨✨
@osnofla2697 Жыл бұрын
Girls, don’t let a man and the toxic public destroy your relationship with each other.
@-.a9942
Жыл бұрын
Nah there are more women to love and be friend with. Sometimes you can just forget it
@seaairuh
Жыл бұрын
this!! i’m pretty sure the girls have worked everything out as well because they were seen talking to each other at the 2022 met gala
@MaddyIts2am Жыл бұрын
It's honestly possible that olivia was advised that saying anything about the situation would just inflame it even more, she was only 18 and didn't exactly plan for the song to blow up the way it did. the only way to really get something to stop in pop culture is to not give it the attention it's asking for. her fans were looking for validation and saying anything they might have twisted it one way or another and pushed it further. she did confirm that the songs were varied not everything was related to the love triangle. the best move they could make at this point i think is to do a collab.
@meganmcleod6152
Жыл бұрын
that’s very plausibly true. could of just been the fans and non fans were too relentless
@camihl3841
Жыл бұрын
Thats obviously what happened lmao yet people wanna turn her into this evil b*tch who doesn't care about anyone but herself. People love villainizing others 😴
@forciaroandha9855
Жыл бұрын
I want a collab between them so bad. At the end of the day, Olivia's feelings were valid but people are bloodthirsty for the drama. Olivia's hurt isn't necessarily Sabrina's fault. She isn't the ex, and she really didn't do the damage.
@courtneyprobasco4912
Жыл бұрын
People look past a lot of the most obvious things 1. There are videos of Olivia singing some of the sour songs over a year before they officially came out. 2. Olivia Never shamed or talked bad about Sabrina in the songs. Yes, she said she was jealous of her but she never actually talked down about Sabrina. 3. Neither of the girls ever actually said anything mean or hateful towards eachother only Joshua (WHICH IS HOW IT SHOULD BE) 4. (Maybe more of a hot take) Everyone overshadowed Olivas deep and meaningful songs about her stress and sadness with her songs they thought were about Joshua.
@daysixstrashenthusiast1512
Жыл бұрын
all she did was express herself through music. what could've she done to stop the hate going to sabrina? i agree with what u said, she's just could've been advised not to say anything, do people expect celebrities to just do whatever they want? the fans are the crazy ones and for people to blame her is just stupid. olivia and sabrina are both victims.
@cherrycola_. Жыл бұрын
Love the description!
@zoeb5101 Жыл бұрын
I love both singers equally 😊❤
@hanasonmi Жыл бұрын
I'm so done with people getting too much into the lyrics and creating a drama. When I first heard "Driver's license", I thought that it's a hearttouching song about a girl's feelings, then I found out there's slowly appearing a drama because people obsess over celebrities' personal life and want to know every detail. Like this whole thing wouldn't happen if people just enjoyed the songs without caring about the characters. The same dumb thing happens with Justin's and Selena's careers. Their every song is being overanalyzed to find a valid reason for going and hating on someone. Like bruh... enjoy the music. Nothing else is your business.
@just_me_dhu
Жыл бұрын
Exactly how i feel about the situation. If they wanted to talk about it in the public eye...they would have. Lyrics cant be used as evidence of some beef.
@whatsgiureading11 ай бұрын
i love both olivia and sabrina and i think there’s no reason to keep comparing them or putting them against each other. they’re two amazing artists who deserve to live their lives without always being reminded of their common ex and so-called « feud ». enjoy the music, not their personal life. and always remember, as mother taylor said, « we all got crowns ».
@allydean-ikon6086 Жыл бұрын
Love Sabrina’s voice ❤
@sunniianya Жыл бұрын
I love and respect them both! They're both amazing young woman, singers and artists. If it weren't for the petty drama they'd be good friends for sure.
@rose2887
11 ай бұрын
Seriously!! This obsession the internet has with putting women against eachother it's so obnoxious.
@taylorswiftharrystyles Жыл бұрын
I saw Sabrina in concert and omg she was sooooo good!!!!
@SoVidushi
Жыл бұрын
OMG LUCKY!! I wish she would tour here
@taylorelissaa Жыл бұрын
I’ve been a huge Sabrina Stan since girl meets world. I also love Olivia since her first song she wrote for hsmtmts blew up on tiktok. I don’t like how Olivia didn’t say anything about the death threats sab and josh was getting though. Still I love them both.
@moonlightbae_
Жыл бұрын
Well she was 17 dealing with alot, I think she thought drawing attention to it wouldn’t be the best idea…they’re on good terms now so leave it out
@Yukihanadul
Жыл бұрын
@@moonlightbae_being 17 doesn’t excuse her behaviour. She could have just said the song is not about a celebrity, yet she decided to say NOTHING.
@olympian00
Жыл бұрын
@@Yukihanadul because it was definitely about them, why would she lie? 😭 and even if she said that no one would’ve believed her lmao
@teehee3657
Жыл бұрын
@@Yukihanadul no one would believe her if she said that bc their fans knew about their whole situation before Drivers License came out and had receipts. She def should’ve spoke up though
@waitingforlilyАй бұрын
i love them both smm!
@bpvhs9708 Жыл бұрын
i don’t understand why some ppl are turning on olivia after all of this blew over. it’s upsetting that sabrina still gets threats over this but i genuinely think both of them have moved on. debating on what olivia should or shouldn’t have done during the situation is pointless because we don’t know what happened behind the scenes and why she was silent, for all we know the people involved sorted it out privately or she apologized personally.
@Melanie-jy2nw
9 ай бұрын
For me, this is vindicating because while I loved the music from all three in this love triangle and enjoyed seeing how Olivia was rising high with driver’s license, the longer she went without making a statement the more I lost respect for her. I still admire her music but I don’t see her as a person with integrity anymore so that’s really soured her for me. I’m glad to see people realizing they were bitches to Sabrina, I can only hope they’ll be just as apologetic to Joshua someday. They deserve that.
@luvjoon3330 Жыл бұрын
just hope one day they can just laugh about it. I love both of them a lot. super beautiful women with two ways of coping and handling. Olivias album was certainly there for me during a hard time in my life so im anticipating a great ass collar between the two
@Mrrreve Жыл бұрын
Now I'm a homewrecker, I'm a slut I got death threats filling up semi trucks Tell me who I am, guess I don't have a choice All because I liked I'm a hot topic on your tongue I'm a rebound gettin' 'round stealin' from the young Tell me who I am, guess I don't have a choice All because I liked a boy -Sabrina Carpenter 2022
@prettywhenicryx
Жыл бұрын
bc olivia couldn’t say anything for her
@americanapple4608
Жыл бұрын
@@prettywhenicryx I feel bad for both of them she was probably advised to say nothing to not fuel the fire, but Sabrina still got hurt in the process of ending it
@prettywhenicryx
Жыл бұрын
@@americanapple4608 idc Olivia still should’ve said something
@prettywhenicryx
Жыл бұрын
@@shadowoftheday5736 wtf is actually going through your brain. 1. Sabrina got with josh AFTER him and Olivia broke up. Who tf cares it was a rumored teenage relationship in the first place 2. Olivia said MULTIPLE times joshua NEVER cheated. who’s the cheater then? 3. If u actually think Sabrina is the villain u need help like go listen to because I liked a boy 🤡
@Mrrreve
Жыл бұрын
@@shadowoftheday5736 joshua did not cheat on olivia, you can understand it from the line in olivia’s song traitor “It took you two weeks To go off and date her Guess you didn't cheat But you're still a traitor”. You can easily understand that joshua and sabrina’s relationship started a while after olivia and joshua broke up.
@CharlestonLew Жыл бұрын
I started off not really knowing them like heard about them, loved olivia at first but after the drama I took Sabrinas side cause after reading the room I knew what was up😂 also Sabrinas music is my fav from the two now, emails I can’t send was everything
@nataliafriska
Жыл бұрын
Same omggg, emails i can't send is something else i really love all of the songs on it😭
@karlagtz879
Жыл бұрын
Same , I like Sabrinas new album more than Olivias, I want Olivia to make a Dua Lipa type beat song fr fr
@lexienewman7785
Жыл бұрын
i was gonna say it more so feels like olivia out of heart break was watching sab really closely and took those personal jabs at sab out of being fucked over by some guy and dragged her into it when she didn’t need too. but sab def was so mature and almost empathetic twoards liv while setting the record straight. can’t kept but stan.
@fawnalx2050
Жыл бұрын
the taking a side thing is the problemm ever since the start.
@CharlestonLew
Жыл бұрын
@@fawnalx2050 it’s ok to take a side, but do you have to tear the other person down, no. Olivia just has some growing up to do, she is a great person. Just Sabrina is more matured and is much like Taylor Swift in ways, she handles things the right way and acts her age. I cant wait to see Olivia become a strong mature wise woman etc.. but like I said she’s got growing up to do.
@miguelgibbs Жыл бұрын
I love ‘‘em both equally
@scooterwashington98208 ай бұрын
What I wouldn't give to see Olivia and Sabrina hanging out, taking pictures together on the red carpet, and performing on stage together. I just had to get that off my chest. Thank you and have a great day! ✌️✌️✌️
@tristancakes920 Жыл бұрын
Wow I love them covering "you're so vain"! That is an old song. I remember when I was 6 years old in my dad's car and him turning up the radio really loud when that song came on. It gives me goosebumps hearing it.
@hearts4melaniemartini Жыл бұрын
I love them both sm
@Rorablink8 күн бұрын
Sabrina seems like a legend❤ The way she doesn't have bad songs and clap backs in return and just some genuine and calm talk is so beautiful honestly.
@herroyalawkwardness954 Жыл бұрын
Ngl i used to love Olivia's vocals and album so much when it came out but after hearing Sab's voice in her EP "Emails I Can't Send", I became so obsessed and now am a fan of her and her vocals huhu. I feel like she needs more recognition. She has a really versatile voice
@olympian00
Жыл бұрын
why can’t you be fans of both? 🤨
@Mcybunny
5 ай бұрын
@@olympian00nah fr I’m both their both killing it
@weirdo_11802 ай бұрын
the entire drama was created for PR. Both Olivia's and Sabrina's album received a lot of clout through this love triangle Drivers license did not even have that blonde girl lyrics in the beginning it was changed when it was released
@famealexapadpad75052 ай бұрын
born to be friends, forced to be enemies
@samlovestaylorswift Жыл бұрын
i love them all sm (josh, sab, liv)
@stillstandingattheexit Жыл бұрын
I was at the oct 12th show for eics!! She was amazing I love her!! the videos of them singing ready for it was so relatable
@SoVidushi
Жыл бұрын
Yooo lucky! I wish she would come to tour here
@stevenvalencia3912 Жыл бұрын
I love sabrina with all my heart, so I'm biased.
@jefic55555 Жыл бұрын
Love Sabrina with all my heart
@patriciamaeperez396811 ай бұрын
I like them both they never actually talked bad about each other. they were artists writing about how they feel. it's the fans that pit them against each other.
@lovesick3317 Жыл бұрын
i love them both so much, i wonder if the whole “taylor swift making a song about an ex and her fans thinking they know exactly who the ex is and the entire story just from one song/one pov, so then they hate on the ex on taylor swift’s behalf with no condemnation” didn’t exist, if things would be different between the three. because the general public really doesn’t know the exact story between them but fans act like they do
@aristired6252 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t really follow the drama. From an outside perspective, it looked like typical teenage/young adult breakup drama that happens a lot. Olivia wrote songs about how she was feeling about the breakup, Sabrina wrote about how she was feeling and her frustrations. That’s what artists do, they use their feelings and experience, a breakup is great songwriting material, especially if it’s a first. Yes, it was all public to a huge audience, but ultimately it didn’t strike me any differently than any other breakup I would’ve seen in highschool or later friend groups. Their feeling are/were real, but ultimately won’t mean much later on. It is what it is and it’s sort of futile taking sides.
@onvasean2485
23 күн бұрын
I think the context you are missing is one of them got insane amount of death threat from people online because of the song There is a reason why one side of the fan feel justify in taking side because they think there is real harm have been done by one of them
@kazura956111 сағат бұрын
It's just so funny to get two people writing about the same situation lol
@vajiragamaethige6940 Жыл бұрын
Honestly saying, if all the drama never happened, Olivia and Sabrina could have been really good friends
@tonyrocket21036 ай бұрын
So why does everyone in the comments thinks it's Olivia job to stop other crazy fans death threats because she wrote a song. Her job is to sing and write not hunt down psychopaths who don't understand it's just a song and stop them.
@pinkymeow5442
6 ай бұрын
Facts.
@uma6965
Ай бұрын
because it was her fanbase
@iiamriot
Ай бұрын
@@uma6965get over it bud🧍♀️
@uma6965
Ай бұрын
@@iiamriot No
@gabyrodriguez2329 Жыл бұрын
I think “Don’t DRIVE yourself insane” is a reference to her “Drivers license “ Song lol 🤷♀️
@blaquelightning6149
Жыл бұрын
It's not
@lalalore13
Жыл бұрын
no that’s just a common phrase
@virginia._.320
Жыл бұрын
And? It’s not even mean or anything. And please read the full lyrics ,,don’t drive yourself insane it won’t always be that way,, She’s just saying that the heartbreak won’t always hurt that bad
@alecos1325 күн бұрын
made to be besties forced to fight
@robertsanssouci20932 ай бұрын
They’re both super talented
@myerofficial Жыл бұрын
Both Sabrina and Olivia raised me. Though, Olivia a little later. I became of a fan of Sabrina’s since girl meets world and an Olivia fan since bizaardvark
@sarah.1387 Жыл бұрын
i love how they boyh taylor stans ❤
@GetGoodBrandiАй бұрын
I love them both
@Chloe_Taylor_Version16 күн бұрын
Stanned Olivia slightly before sab I loved both in Disney ! Was obsessed w high school musical and girl meets world but idk why sab music doesn’t hit me as much as before
@mildredsmiles Жыл бұрын
Im just glad sabrina is mature. Hope olivia too
@lizanya6433 Жыл бұрын
when you stan olivia sabrina and joshua
@wilxaАй бұрын
Sabrinas music is always like so fresh , I love her
@Bellslovesu11 ай бұрын
I love that they were listening to are you ready for it❤
@Moomoo00139 ай бұрын
Aside from all this petty drama (which started with Drivers License...and to this day I can't believe how many people are so heavily invested in investigating 3 YOUNG people's personal lives, as if they have no lives of their own but OKAY).... MUSIC WISE I prefer Sabrina. She's been in the industry for a longer time and has had more experience with her vocal timbre, which I love. Rock suits Liv so well, but I think she needs to develop more strength in her voice to really bring power (which could come with time, as she gets older - she's still young).
@monicherischАй бұрын
They should just kiss already. They're so cute together 😂
@-dp8hx
13 күн бұрын
Not every girl and Woman is g@y. Quit trying to force it on everybody.
@simplyslayin1404 Жыл бұрын
I love them both so muchhhh❤
@rmsfavoritelilcrab4006Ай бұрын
They’re both friends w Tate McRae, we could have gotten the best trio song of the 21st century with these talented song writers.
@pinkpalace61175 ай бұрын
Fake drama tbh
@laurelbony
8 күн бұрын
There was never drama...
@melissabeth009 Жыл бұрын
Olivia said Deja vu is made up and her producer came up with the billy Joel lyric, not her
@sour.elliottssister13
Жыл бұрын
EXACTLY
@victoriah1121
Жыл бұрын
She lied
@melissabeth009
Жыл бұрын
@@victoriah1121 no she didn’t 🙄 she never even seen glee until she wrote the song. Not every song writers write is about someone
@victoriah1121
Жыл бұрын
@@melissabeth009 lol what's glee got to do with anything
@sour.elliottssister13
Жыл бұрын
@@victoriah1121 it's in the song! Seems like you didn't even listen to it and just call her a liar
@oliviafan796710 ай бұрын
Omg them singing ...ready for it was my favorite ahhhhhh
@taramathews778410 ай бұрын
I think its because Im more closer in age to Sabrina Carpenter, I've listened to a lot of her songs ,i can remember the" cant blame a girl for tryin" era and I've been hooked ever since .. so I think shes handled it so well and she's killing it with all her songs
@Ichigo-dh9rd Жыл бұрын
Sabrina is so pretty
@SoVidushi Жыл бұрын
Stan sabrina carpenter 💌💌 I like some of liv's songs too tho, brutal saved my life
@WinterGarden-Ай бұрын
I love both of them so much
@lucianagalvagno4096 Жыл бұрын
Im glad they are Ok with each other now, i would love a song Collab
@thebumblebeaa2152 Жыл бұрын
bro I love liv so much but the way I was defending Sabrina back in 2021 was INSANE Olivias fans were ruthless
@Professionalintrovert Жыл бұрын
Olivia and Sabrina are actually very similar, it’s just really sad that they both got sucked into all this drama.
@luanamulhern2973 Жыл бұрын
I don’t even know these people and here I am watching their drama. I love some gossip 😂❤
@user-eo8vm7cr2r Жыл бұрын
I love them
@urluv_san Жыл бұрын
I love them both. during the drama, it was so hard to choose. I didn't. I ignored. seeing these videos make me feel happy. Atleast the drama is over now. I know for a fact most people sided with Sabrina because she's "mature" but they don't see that Olivia was 17. She was a goddamn teenager. and for Olivia, yes. it's not okay to be insecure. Calling Sabrina out for no reason was messed up. Then when people hate Olivia because she writes songs about her past breakups. Why? it's her job let her do what she wants to. Second, most artists do this. Taylor, Conan. who not. at the end, love them both.
@lindsey.13 Жыл бұрын
both are so incredible and talented
@Amizingg11 ай бұрын
the fact that sabrina said the "we both can laugh abt it" lyric is js showing how sabrina would consider having her as a friend one day
@lindiedits Жыл бұрын
Honestly love these 2
@jcovers5908 Жыл бұрын
the hatred for everyone involved was so sad to see in the early days, and still to this day... I hope we can all learn to stop pitting celebs, esp women celebs, against each other
@kpwylar Жыл бұрын
"maybe blond was the only rime" was WILDDDD
@alexamae2501 Жыл бұрын
omg the you’re so vain video from october 12 was my show ahhh!!
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
Such a dream !!
@gachatoons72883 ай бұрын
Love both a lot
@NovaGalaxia024 ай бұрын
funny how they both sung taylor swift but only one of them is friends with and touring with her 🤭
@ElizPateza10 ай бұрын
I watched a movie of hers and thought omg this actor is so pretty And then just realized that it was Sabrina carpenter
@nikolassierra1132Ай бұрын
"Maybe we've could been friends, maybe in another life...."
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if u have idea for others videos ! i take it !
@luckyprovenstar
Жыл бұрын
i love this so much !! pls put the dates in all the clips if you can pls make a part 2 with: the scene in the deja vu music video where Olivia has those tvs and smashed them is the same as what Sabrina does and the same as the tvs in the alien music video sabrinas line in skinny dipping where she says “heat the barista call an oat milk latte in your name” then in an interview a few weeks after that Olivia says something about her not writing about oat milk latte
@pclab79
Жыл бұрын
In your description you say you are the biggest Sabs fan sorry roles already taken
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
@@pclab79 i’m sorry but i don’t think Sabrina follow you on twitter, Send u a dm on twitter + saw her on evolution tour !
@pclab79
11 ай бұрын
@@mayayhq Yes but only one of us can marry her unless she's into that I mean she said Ménage à trois so...
@pclab79
11 ай бұрын
@@mayayhq I am every type of fan for her I've listened to every song she's featured in
they would’ve been good friends if it wasnt for all that drama
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
yes i'm pretty sure they could be friends
@tate_n
Жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure they are in a good relationship, just away from public’s judgy eye (as per Liv, Conan, Billie Eilish and others being very welcoming and friendly with Bri during her event appearances last year)
@drugcalisrobmanzar5597
Жыл бұрын
you’re weird
@Dani-sj1mc
Жыл бұрын
In the met gala they interacted, they were in the back of a pic
@lama2406
Жыл бұрын
I know but now ppl treat them like Hailey and Selena
as someone who used to stan olivia and sabrina, the best option is probably just not to compare them anymore
@Suchapinkshit
Жыл бұрын
I think the video is just about coincidences, not comparisons 🤷🏻♀️
@americanapple4608
Жыл бұрын
@@Suchapinkshit same thing tbh
@neelamaulakh
Жыл бұрын
@@americanapple4608 no it is definitely not the same thing
@americanapple4608
Жыл бұрын
@@neelamaulakh joking :D
@AncutaDrimbu-js7ys
Жыл бұрын
@@Suchapinkshit "coincidences", but Sabrina is monitoring every single thing Olivia does
They're just two artists expressing their feelings through art. Its you guys that made a big deal of it
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
so true
@qaiiba
11 ай бұрын
FR OMG!!
@pinkleminade
6 ай бұрын
REALL
@speakersp3905
6 ай бұрын
yupppp
@urisuu_
3 ай бұрын
REAL
sabrina had billy joel on her public spotify playlists which we've had access to since 2014. she was raised on classic music since before she was 3 years old. her first ever youtube cover was a taylor swift song when she was no more than 9 years old so she's always been a swiftie. and "you're so vain" was not only a song she's always posted and loved, but in july she revealed that it was on her album inspiration playlist, specifically inspiring her song "vicious". i won't even get into the death threats y'all gave her because you thought she was a blonde who dated a boy with an ex.
@angelicasano9937
Жыл бұрын
this
@meganmcleod6152
Жыл бұрын
i mean not y’all as in the ppl here but the disgusting ppl who can’t appreciate 3 separate talented ppl in messy situation with no villain bc it’s real life not a movie
@emilyhemsworth77
Жыл бұрын
@@meganmcleod6152 its called conspiracy theory. 🤷♂️
@alykgray
Жыл бұрын
i always thought it was funny how olivia put that part in her song like everyone in the entire world doesn't already know who billy joel is LMAO
@sofiandolga
Жыл бұрын
yes!!!!
I have been stanning Sabrina since her first album. And the way she handled the Liv situation..was just so mature. She didnt tear another woman down over a guy. Even in her songs...the lyrics were pure and just reflecting her emotions. If i had to pick a side....id pick Sabrina. People are obsessed with picking sides when humanly things happen...and i dont get why we cant accept some things as just part of life. I dont mean to attack Liv...but my personal opinion is that she kinda did alot of damage to Sabrinas career through not speaking up for her....not just her career...but mental health as well. Fans can be brutal...and if something isnt clear enough theyll make assumptions for themselves. But no. She did whatever to get her music out there. Which i totally respect..cause its her right. I just wish things didnt end up that way. I dont even listen to her music....but i guess they could have been good friends.
@KarlieStarrSings
Жыл бұрын
I don't think anyone needs to pick a side. These are both two human beings who were both incredibly hurt in this situation and had their own way of expressing it in their music. Both their feelings are valid imo. Pinning them up against each is only going to make it worse. I really hope one day they can both come together and reach a common ground
@karizmagillespie
Жыл бұрын
I actually agree sm. Sabrina handled it so mature. I can’t imagine the death threats and hate she got and she turned to music and worded her songs beautifully
@michelletang2242
Жыл бұрын
I don’t think anyone has to pick a side honestly. And as far as the not speaking out part. I kinda agree but maybe Olivia’s label told her not too? We don’t really know what happened
@lolabunny9795
Жыл бұрын
Ur being biased af, liv handled the situation so much better especially for her young age, Sabrina made so many songs towards the situation in no way did she handle it better
@just_me_dhu
Жыл бұрын
@@lolabunny9795 theres a difference between making a song about someone...and making a song about stuff that you're going through. They are both humans and that situation obviously took toll on their mental health one way or another. Like i said...i just hate how things ended up between them.
They both were on Disney around the same era so maybe Disney had a type😭😭
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
they were together for 1 yr 🤣
@eternallyhappy247
Жыл бұрын
@@sadman1143 ok and
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
@@eternallyhappy247 just one year it’s not the same era… liv was on Disney when girl meets world was almost cancelled
@jacernbrown
2 ай бұрын
Olivia came around 2016 which was around the time Sabrina was leaving. Olivia left in 2020 or 2021 I think (she left bizardbark in 2019)
@randywhite3947
2 ай бұрын
@@jacernbrownbizardbark ended in 2018
MY FAVORITE IS SABRINA CONFIRMING OLIVIA WAS RIGHT - olivia "well i hate to think that i was just your type" in dejavu, sabrina "you like a certain type of woman, smart but neglects intuition. when you're insecure, could be me, could be her, you just run to whoever is winning." in vicious
@KarlieStarrSings
Жыл бұрын
OOF that Sabrina lyric though.💀
@thatissofetch5508
Жыл бұрын
Sabrina’s 😮💨💔
@mackayla178
Жыл бұрын
@@KarlieStarrSings yeah she ate
@seaairuh
Жыл бұрын
i was thinking about sabs lyric of “i should’ve know all along i was only the next one to take your love songs as a promise” kinda correlated with “i guess you didn’t mean what you wrote in that song about me” but also with “you just run to whoever is winning” if you linked it specifically to the drama josh posted both skin and driver’s license to his story, then when deja vu came out he posted that as well but nothing for sabrina. could be a crazy coincidence but 🤷♀️
@useruseruser9152
Жыл бұрын
Deja vu is fictional and Olivia didn't even write all of it, she confirmed this herself
That transition from Sab's cover of You're So Vain to Liv's... Absolutely seamless (no pun intended) ✨
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
yess i love both cover they sound so good
@seraphile5720
Жыл бұрын
LOVE THE REFERENCE
@aftertheaftermath
11 ай бұрын
HAHAHAH THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD TIME TO SAY "PUN INTENDED"
@mirrorballinme744
2 ай бұрын
YES they kinda do the sound the same for real
I’ve been a fan of Sabrina since I was like five and I adored her music as a kid. I still know every word of every single song off the Eyes Wide Open album. She influenced and inspired my love for music and it’s one of the reasons I’m a singer today. (Dolly Parton, Miley Cyrus and Pentatonix also heavily influenced me as well) so no matter what I will always love Sabrina.
@zvideosz
Жыл бұрын
this isnt chosing "whos better" this is funny coincidences between the two :)
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
@@zvideosz FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTAND THIS
@aikapalis4219
Жыл бұрын
Lol you're really pitting two incredible girls against each other, are you okay? Geez. You could've just said how much you love Sabrina without having to choose and putting Olivia down. Go get some manners.
@nativenewyorker3144
Жыл бұрын
Not you putting women against each other
@zvideosz
Жыл бұрын
@@sadman1143 yea :)
Taylor’s golden daughters 💛 I’m pretty sure they are in a good relationship ❤️ just away from public’s toxic eye Keep in mind: Liv, Conan Grey, Billie Eilish and others were very welcoming and friendly with Sabrina when she finally was comfortable enough to start attending events again in 2022. Not to say, they both said that they don’t support women hate & don’t want negativity going anyone’s way. Additionally, Olivia addressed the public creating drama for their own entertainment in her song Brutal (and I’m so caught up in a news of who likes me & who hates you; and I’m so tired that I might quit my job start a new life and they’d all be so disappointed - ‘cause who am I if not exploited?); and Sabrina addressed the same things in Skin and Because i liked a boy, where she condemns people for villainizing women for allegedly/really liking/dating guys
@Shes_just_basic_like_that
Жыл бұрын
I’m so confused with what the point of this comment is trying to get at…..but are you saying people are mad at this celebrity for not being gay 💀 wth
@ravindermadan9162
Жыл бұрын
@@Shes_just_basic_like_that they’re saying that liv and sabrina and tired of the drama that the public has created just for their own entertainment. They were talking about Joshua Bassett (hope I spelled that right).
@amarisworldd
Жыл бұрын
how she doesn't support women hate but, she basically kept making music about the situation, which would make people go bash Sabrina of what happen. she should've made music on how's the sky blue.
@amarisworldd
Жыл бұрын
@@Pheobebuffett fr she said she goth death threats filling semi-trucks
@blaquelightning6149
Жыл бұрын
Aribrina is better to me
it's not so funny when you know Sabrina got a lot of death threats from this
@prettywhenicryx
Жыл бұрын
i know and olivia wouldn’t do anything abt it, made me lose my respecg for liv
@seaairuh
Жыл бұрын
@@prettywhenicryxblame her management team instead of her because they didn’t want her to talk about it
@prettywhenicryx
Жыл бұрын
@@seaairuh doesn’t matter, she should have said something. they don’t control her life, she has a voice.
@seaairuh
Жыл бұрын
@@prettywhenicryx even if she had said something people there still would’ve been people sending threats. not to mention olivia has also received threats and racist comments from sabrina fans. i’m sure they’re probably toxic ones but still, people can’t micromanage their fandoms and saying stop isn’t always effective
@prettywhenicryx
Жыл бұрын
@@seaairuh it would’ve shown she cared and she wasn’t only in it for the fame. even if it didn’t stop the hate, i’d still have respect for her bc she tried. what’s ur logic? olivia got some hate but sabrina and along with josh got drowned in hatred and harassment for a year of their lives. don’t try victimizing olivia when she’s in the wrong, it’s just embarrassing.
Love how Sabrina didn't send any hate she warmly accepts other's feelings while also validating her's. What a queen ❤️
@user-iw8js7ne3d
Жыл бұрын
olivia did too tho
@chloe_Taylors_Version
3 ай бұрын
Olivia had to do it too?
@uma6965
Ай бұрын
@@user-iw8js7ne3dShe didn’t do anything when her fans were tearing Sabrina apart and sending her death wishes so not exactly
@user-iw8js7ne3d
Ай бұрын
@@uma6965 it’s not her problem?? SHES A BUSY WOMAN WHO SHOULDNT BE SAYING STUFF TO SOME PEOPLE WHO HATE ON SOMEONE. like grow tf up everyone gets hate after all 😂🤷🏿♂️
@bananyamoonie4396
7 күн бұрын
@@user-iw8js7ne3d then dont say olivia did too because thats bs
Always loved Sabrina, even before the drama I liked Olivia, but after everything for the past 2+ years while Sabrina was getting hate she never spoke up about it or said anything to her fans when she was climbing to the top. Other celebrities were even hating Sabrina for something as small as dating someone who was single for a short time bcs of Olivias song. Could never stand for that, then when she did speak up the damage was already done w/ Sabrina being public enemy #1 being told to kill her self.
@lou-xr5rz
Жыл бұрын
This. You're exactly right. I was a fan of Sabrina much earlier, but I actually really liked Olivia before she released Driver's License. But the fact that she did absolutely nothing when her fans were giving Sabrina death threats is unforgivable and idk why people think it's okay that she didn't do anything. She only said she resented it after the worst was over after she did absolutely nothing to tell her fans to stop harassing Sabrina. Vile behaviour and I can't like olivia after that.
@vidang9252
Жыл бұрын
@@lou-xr5rzno fr the way that i literally defended sabrina and called olivia out for not telling her fans to stop sending death threats at the time the drama unfolded, and all i got were insane olivia fans saying that olivia could do no wrong… it’s so funny now how more people are saying that olivia was wrong for that but i’m damn sure those same people were the ones kissing olivia’s ass back then.
@xia_loves.u
Жыл бұрын
Olivia probably didn't speak up bc the label didnt want her too
@karizmagillespie
Жыл бұрын
so real. I understand u may not like her but u still could’ve told ur lil army to not give her literal DEATH threats. Instead she sat there and just proceeded to ignore it.
@babyspice67
Жыл бұрын
EXACTLY sab deserves so much better
it’s so funny but i love them both
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
Same !!
@tatemcrae8
Жыл бұрын
sameeeee🤍
I love Olivia Rodrigo’s music but Sabrina Carpenter raised me. It sounds dumb but when I was young her role as Maya Hart felt like the only person I could relate to. I listened religiously to Sarah and Sabrina when eyes wide open first came out and still love her to this day. I hope they can both be mature about what has happened and move on because they are both so talented
@elizabreathh
Жыл бұрын
I LOVED MAYA SO MUCH.
im a sabrina stan so im biased
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
i love sabrina with my all heart !!!
@chedscheds9884
Жыл бұрын
But Olivia is a bigger Taylor fan we can all agree
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
@@chedscheds9884 ?
@victoriah1121
Жыл бұрын
@@chedscheds9884 no we can't, Sabrina and Taylor sat together at her most recent award show. Taylor knows what's up.
@cherryizcool
Жыл бұрын
@@chedscheds9884 but like who cares?
They need to collab for real. They both just got played by the same dude and then wrote songs about the situation so now people are hating, but nobody attacked the other one. It's the fans who are crazy.
I really understand Olivia's perspective in the whole situation. It seems like it was her first real heartbreak and that's always a very tough thing for someone to go through. I also think it's a similar situation Taylor went through with "Better than Revenge". I hope Olivia has found the maturity to know that Sabrina likely didn't know the exact story and it wasn't malicious on her part. I still don't get why women always blame each other when the man's the one doing all the talking. Love Sabrina, love Olivia, and ironically love the music that came from the whole situation on both ends.
@elusivids8155
Жыл бұрын
love this take. people really overlook how young olivia was. both girls are amazing!!
@iamlia3069
Жыл бұрын
I’m confused, when did she blame sabrina. The lyrics of her song are bashing ole boy for moving on so fast. She literally states Sabrina is beautiful and she jealous and insecure of her
@tvishaajmera
Жыл бұрын
very well said
@teehee3657
Жыл бұрын
Olivia shouldn’t be classed into that women blaming each other situation. Anytime Sabrina was supposedly brought up in a song, Olivia wasn’t tearing her down or vilifying her, shes only brought up as his beautiful new girl. The focus in most SOUR tracks is on Josh.
@shahanahsan05
11 ай бұрын
@@teehee3657which led to Josh getting death threats for retarded children whilst he was so sick that he had a really high chance of dying
One thing about me,…. is I’mma stan them both
@seaairuh
Жыл бұрын
SAME !! they’re both so amazing in their own ways
i love them both
I always feel like the fans make the drama way worse between people than it would’ve been, not just in these two’s situation. I don’t think they dislike each other either or have beef like people think. They’re both kind and just expressing themselves through their art. I’m tired of everyone always pitting women (& even sometimes men) against each other.
@Melonibun
Жыл бұрын
I like ur comment, this is so true cuz usually artists want to express their emotion/feelings into their piece and just want to share it to those who feel related to it. But ppl just want dramas and tea to gossip about it lmao like just relax and enjoy the song instead of snooping into the artist’s life.
@emilypesina3000
Жыл бұрын
Yep. It's the fans that cause drama because they be talking and talking like it's their business. 🙄
Sabrina is so mature, I’m proud of her and I love her songs, I love Olivia’s songs too because it’s relatable but honestly, really upset about what she made Sabrina go through 💔 although it was mainly the fans.
@elusivids8155
Жыл бұрын
olivia didnt cause it tho? never name dropped josh or sabrina. never spoke illy of the girls in her songs. the internet did what it did. chose a narrative and did awful things. i dont think olivia couldve changed the outcome. sucks sabrina went theough everything tho, truly
@GIRLYISMS
Жыл бұрын
@@elusivids8155 …she really could’ve changed the outcome 😭 like maybe just not include the blonde girl? The Billy Joel lines? The entire hint that Sabrina is that girl
@ami2474
11 ай бұрын
@@elusivids8155though Olivia didn't explicitly state Sabrina's name, she gave more than enough hints that showed exactly who she was talking about
@axoltl5462
3 ай бұрын
@@ami2474 I'm gonna be honest though, a lot of those hints don't really line up? At least imo. And even IF she put those hints in there and aimed it at Sabrina, how is she to blame for a bunch of immature internet-drama obsessed weirdos sending an artist death threats?
@chloe_Taylors_Version
3 ай бұрын
@@GIRLYISMSthe song was supposed to be brunette girl but cause Olivia was a brunette her team said to switch it up so it’s blonde if u don’t know anything please don’t talk
i hate that people always try to play the narrative that Olivia and Sabrina just hate each other, in Olivia’s songs weather it is about the drama or not, she always complements the other person “but she’s beautiful, she looks kind” she never rips her down.
Comparing them is like comparing Michael and Prince - they are BOTH iconic!
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
Yesss !!
@owo5705
Жыл бұрын
sabrina > olivia
@nativenewyorker3144
Жыл бұрын
@@owo5705 hot people don’t pit women against each other
@thislovesposessingme
Жыл бұрын
@@owo5705 Sabrina = Olivia
@owo5705
Жыл бұрын
@@nativenewyorker3144 hot people would realize that olivia rodrigo is a disgusting human being. where was she when joshua and sabrina were recieving death threats by her toxic fan base? where was she when joshua was in the hospital close to dying? she said NOTHING and just sat back and let that all happen.
love sabrina. my dad is friends with her mom and ive met her a few times. always very nice 🤍
@orteney.
10 ай бұрын
omg the way i would never shut up if i had met her
@mylahdrexler1424
10 ай бұрын
@@orteney. LMAO i almost passed out ahen i met her in person! i used to be a die hard fan frfr
I will always love sabrina
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
IN THIS HOUSE WE ALL STAN SABRINA FUCKING CARPENTER !
@So_long_london_boy_13_22
3 ай бұрын
@@sadman1143why you gatta be so... "Vicious" 😂😂😂
love both of them, unfortunate that drama divided them
@apologygirl420
Жыл бұрын
What was the drama
@sadman1143
Жыл бұрын
@@apologygirl420 the drama was created by fans and people on tiktok !
@prettywhenicryx
Жыл бұрын
actually it’s Olivia’s fault
@lauramller1851
2 ай бұрын
@@prettywhenicryx no it's not 💀
We need the power of music to bring these two fierce artists together with one epic collab ✨✨
Girls, don’t let a man and the toxic public destroy your relationship with each other.
@-.a9942
Жыл бұрын
Nah there are more women to love and be friend with. Sometimes you can just forget it
@seaairuh
Жыл бұрын
this!! i’m pretty sure the girls have worked everything out as well because they were seen talking to each other at the 2022 met gala
It's honestly possible that olivia was advised that saying anything about the situation would just inflame it even more, she was only 18 and didn't exactly plan for the song to blow up the way it did. the only way to really get something to stop in pop culture is to not give it the attention it's asking for. her fans were looking for validation and saying anything they might have twisted it one way or another and pushed it further. she did confirm that the songs were varied not everything was related to the love triangle. the best move they could make at this point i think is to do a collab.
@meganmcleod6152
Жыл бұрын
that’s very plausibly true. could of just been the fans and non fans were too relentless
@camihl3841
Жыл бұрын
Thats obviously what happened lmao yet people wanna turn her into this evil b*tch who doesn't care about anyone but herself. People love villainizing others 😴
@forciaroandha9855
Жыл бұрын
I want a collab between them so bad. At the end of the day, Olivia's feelings were valid but people are bloodthirsty for the drama. Olivia's hurt isn't necessarily Sabrina's fault. She isn't the ex, and she really didn't do the damage.
@courtneyprobasco4912
Жыл бұрын
People look past a lot of the most obvious things 1. There are videos of Olivia singing some of the sour songs over a year before they officially came out. 2. Olivia Never shamed or talked bad about Sabrina in the songs. Yes, she said she was jealous of her but she never actually talked down about Sabrina. 3. Neither of the girls ever actually said anything mean or hateful towards eachother only Joshua (WHICH IS HOW IT SHOULD BE) 4. (Maybe more of a hot take) Everyone overshadowed Olivas deep and meaningful songs about her stress and sadness with her songs they thought were about Joshua.
@daysixstrashenthusiast1512
Жыл бұрын
all she did was express herself through music. what could've she done to stop the hate going to sabrina? i agree with what u said, she's just could've been advised not to say anything, do people expect celebrities to just do whatever they want? the fans are the crazy ones and for people to blame her is just stupid. olivia and sabrina are both victims.
Love the description!
I love both singers equally 😊❤
I'm so done with people getting too much into the lyrics and creating a drama. When I first heard "Driver's license", I thought that it's a hearttouching song about a girl's feelings, then I found out there's slowly appearing a drama because people obsess over celebrities' personal life and want to know every detail. Like this whole thing wouldn't happen if people just enjoyed the songs without caring about the characters. The same dumb thing happens with Justin's and Selena's careers. Their every song is being overanalyzed to find a valid reason for going and hating on someone. Like bruh... enjoy the music. Nothing else is your business.
@just_me_dhu
Жыл бұрын
Exactly how i feel about the situation. If they wanted to talk about it in the public eye...they would have. Lyrics cant be used as evidence of some beef.
i love both olivia and sabrina and i think there’s no reason to keep comparing them or putting them against each other. they’re two amazing artists who deserve to live their lives without always being reminded of their common ex and so-called « feud ». enjoy the music, not their personal life. and always remember, as mother taylor said, « we all got crowns ».
Love Sabrina’s voice ❤
I love and respect them both! They're both amazing young woman, singers and artists. If it weren't for the petty drama they'd be good friends for sure.
@rose2887
11 ай бұрын
Seriously!! This obsession the internet has with putting women against eachother it's so obnoxious.
I saw Sabrina in concert and omg she was sooooo good!!!!
@SoVidushi
Жыл бұрын
OMG LUCKY!! I wish she would tour here
I’ve been a huge Sabrina Stan since girl meets world. I also love Olivia since her first song she wrote for hsmtmts blew up on tiktok. I don’t like how Olivia didn’t say anything about the death threats sab and josh was getting though. Still I love them both.
@moonlightbae_
Жыл бұрын
Well she was 17 dealing with alot, I think she thought drawing attention to it wouldn’t be the best idea…they’re on good terms now so leave it out
@Yukihanadul
Жыл бұрын
@@moonlightbae_being 17 doesn’t excuse her behaviour. She could have just said the song is not about a celebrity, yet she decided to say NOTHING.
@olympian00
Жыл бұрын
@@Yukihanadul because it was definitely about them, why would she lie? 😭 and even if she said that no one would’ve believed her lmao
@teehee3657
Жыл бұрын
@@Yukihanadul no one would believe her if she said that bc their fans knew about their whole situation before Drivers License came out and had receipts. She def should’ve spoke up though
i love them both smm!
i don’t understand why some ppl are turning on olivia after all of this blew over. it’s upsetting that sabrina still gets threats over this but i genuinely think both of them have moved on. debating on what olivia should or shouldn’t have done during the situation is pointless because we don’t know what happened behind the scenes and why she was silent, for all we know the people involved sorted it out privately or she apologized personally.
@Melanie-jy2nw
9 ай бұрын
For me, this is vindicating because while I loved the music from all three in this love triangle and enjoyed seeing how Olivia was rising high with driver’s license, the longer she went without making a statement the more I lost respect for her. I still admire her music but I don’t see her as a person with integrity anymore so that’s really soured her for me. I’m glad to see people realizing they were bitches to Sabrina, I can only hope they’ll be just as apologetic to Joshua someday. They deserve that.
just hope one day they can just laugh about it. I love both of them a lot. super beautiful women with two ways of coping and handling. Olivias album was certainly there for me during a hard time in my life so im anticipating a great ass collar between the two
Now I'm a homewrecker, I'm a slut I got death threats filling up semi trucks Tell me who I am, guess I don't have a choice All because I liked I'm a hot topic on your tongue I'm a rebound gettin' 'round stealin' from the young Tell me who I am, guess I don't have a choice All because I liked a boy -Sabrina Carpenter 2022
@prettywhenicryx
Жыл бұрын
bc olivia couldn’t say anything for her
@americanapple4608
Жыл бұрын
@@prettywhenicryx I feel bad for both of them she was probably advised to say nothing to not fuel the fire, but Sabrina still got hurt in the process of ending it
@prettywhenicryx
Жыл бұрын
@@americanapple4608 idc Olivia still should’ve said something
@prettywhenicryx
Жыл бұрын
@@shadowoftheday5736 wtf is actually going through your brain. 1. Sabrina got with josh AFTER him and Olivia broke up. Who tf cares it was a rumored teenage relationship in the first place 2. Olivia said MULTIPLE times joshua NEVER cheated. who’s the cheater then? 3. If u actually think Sabrina is the villain u need help like go listen to because I liked a boy 🤡
@Mrrreve
Жыл бұрын
@@shadowoftheday5736 joshua did not cheat on olivia, you can understand it from the line in olivia’s song traitor “It took you two weeks To go off and date her Guess you didn't cheat But you're still a traitor”. You can easily understand that joshua and sabrina’s relationship started a while after olivia and joshua broke up.
I started off not really knowing them like heard about them, loved olivia at first but after the drama I took Sabrinas side cause after reading the room I knew what was up😂 also Sabrinas music is my fav from the two now, emails I can’t send was everything
@nataliafriska
Жыл бұрын
Same omggg, emails i can't send is something else i really love all of the songs on it😭
@karlagtz879
Жыл бұрын
Same , I like Sabrinas new album more than Olivias, I want Olivia to make a Dua Lipa type beat song fr fr
@lexienewman7785
Жыл бұрын
i was gonna say it more so feels like olivia out of heart break was watching sab really closely and took those personal jabs at sab out of being fucked over by some guy and dragged her into it when she didn’t need too. but sab def was so mature and almost empathetic twoards liv while setting the record straight. can’t kept but stan.
@fawnalx2050
Жыл бұрын
the taking a side thing is the problemm ever since the start.
@CharlestonLew
Жыл бұрын
@@fawnalx2050 it’s ok to take a side, but do you have to tear the other person down, no. Olivia just has some growing up to do, she is a great person. Just Sabrina is more matured and is much like Taylor Swift in ways, she handles things the right way and acts her age. I cant wait to see Olivia become a strong mature wise woman etc.. but like I said she’s got growing up to do.
I love ‘‘em both equally
What I wouldn't give to see Olivia and Sabrina hanging out, taking pictures together on the red carpet, and performing on stage together. I just had to get that off my chest. Thank you and have a great day! ✌️✌️✌️
Wow I love them covering "you're so vain"! That is an old song. I remember when I was 6 years old in my dad's car and him turning up the radio really loud when that song came on. It gives me goosebumps hearing it.
I love them both sm
Sabrina seems like a legend❤ The way she doesn't have bad songs and clap backs in return and just some genuine and calm talk is so beautiful honestly.
Ngl i used to love Olivia's vocals and album so much when it came out but after hearing Sab's voice in her EP "Emails I Can't Send", I became so obsessed and now am a fan of her and her vocals huhu. I feel like she needs more recognition. She has a really versatile voice
@olympian00
Жыл бұрын
why can’t you be fans of both? 🤨
@Mcybunny
5 ай бұрын
@@olympian00nah fr I’m both their both killing it
the entire drama was created for PR. Both Olivia's and Sabrina's album received a lot of clout through this love triangle Drivers license did not even have that blonde girl lyrics in the beginning it was changed when it was released
born to be friends, forced to be enemies
i love them all sm (josh, sab, liv)
I was at the oct 12th show for eics!! She was amazing I love her!! the videos of them singing ready for it was so relatable
@SoVidushi
Жыл бұрын
Yooo lucky! I wish she would come to tour here
I love sabrina with all my heart, so I'm biased.
Love Sabrina with all my heart
I like them both they never actually talked bad about each other. they were artists writing about how they feel. it's the fans that pit them against each other.
i love them both so much, i wonder if the whole “taylor swift making a song about an ex and her fans thinking they know exactly who the ex is and the entire story just from one song/one pov, so then they hate on the ex on taylor swift’s behalf with no condemnation” didn’t exist, if things would be different between the three. because the general public really doesn’t know the exact story between them but fans act like they do
I didn’t really follow the drama. From an outside perspective, it looked like typical teenage/young adult breakup drama that happens a lot. Olivia wrote songs about how she was feeling about the breakup, Sabrina wrote about how she was feeling and her frustrations. That’s what artists do, they use their feelings and experience, a breakup is great songwriting material, especially if it’s a first. Yes, it was all public to a huge audience, but ultimately it didn’t strike me any differently than any other breakup I would’ve seen in highschool or later friend groups. Their feeling are/were real, but ultimately won’t mean much later on. It is what it is and it’s sort of futile taking sides.
@onvasean2485
23 күн бұрын
I think the context you are missing is one of them got insane amount of death threat from people online because of the song There is a reason why one side of the fan feel justify in taking side because they think there is real harm have been done by one of them
It's just so funny to get two people writing about the same situation lol
Honestly saying, if all the drama never happened, Olivia and Sabrina could have been really good friends
So why does everyone in the comments thinks it's Olivia job to stop other crazy fans death threats because she wrote a song. Her job is to sing and write not hunt down psychopaths who don't understand it's just a song and stop them.
@pinkymeow5442
6 ай бұрын
Facts.
@uma6965
Ай бұрын
because it was her fanbase
@iiamriot
Ай бұрын
@@uma6965get over it bud🧍♀️
@uma6965
Ай бұрын
@@iiamriot No
I think “Don’t DRIVE yourself insane” is a reference to her “Drivers license “ Song lol 🤷♀️
@blaquelightning6149
Жыл бұрын
It's not
@lalalore13
Жыл бұрын
no that’s just a common phrase
@virginia._.320
Жыл бұрын
And? It’s not even mean or anything. And please read the full lyrics ,,don’t drive yourself insane it won’t always be that way,, She’s just saying that the heartbreak won’t always hurt that bad
made to be besties forced to fight
They’re both super talented
Both Sabrina and Olivia raised me. Though, Olivia a little later. I became of a fan of Sabrina’s since girl meets world and an Olivia fan since bizaardvark
i love how they boyh taylor stans ❤
I love them both
Stanned Olivia slightly before sab I loved both in Disney ! Was obsessed w high school musical and girl meets world but idk why sab music doesn’t hit me as much as before
Im just glad sabrina is mature. Hope olivia too
when you stan olivia sabrina and joshua
Sabrinas music is always like so fresh , I love her
I love that they were listening to are you ready for it❤
Aside from all this petty drama (which started with Drivers License...and to this day I can't believe how many people are so heavily invested in investigating 3 YOUNG people's personal lives, as if they have no lives of their own but OKAY).... MUSIC WISE I prefer Sabrina. She's been in the industry for a longer time and has had more experience with her vocal timbre, which I love. Rock suits Liv so well, but I think she needs to develop more strength in her voice to really bring power (which could come with time, as she gets older - she's still young).
They should just kiss already. They're so cute together 😂
@-dp8hx
13 күн бұрын
Not every girl and Woman is g@y. Quit trying to force it on everybody.
I love them both so muchhhh❤
They’re both friends w Tate McRae, we could have gotten the best trio song of the 21st century with these talented song writers.
Fake drama tbh
@laurelbony
8 күн бұрын
There was never drama...
Olivia said Deja vu is made up and her producer came up with the billy Joel lyric, not her
@sour.elliottssister13
Жыл бұрын
EXACTLY
@victoriah1121
Жыл бұрын
She lied
@melissabeth009
Жыл бұрын
@@victoriah1121 no she didn’t 🙄 she never even seen glee until she wrote the song. Not every song writers write is about someone
@victoriah1121
Жыл бұрын
@@melissabeth009 lol what's glee got to do with anything
@sour.elliottssister13
Жыл бұрын
@@victoriah1121 it's in the song! Seems like you didn't even listen to it and just call her a liar
Omg them singing ...ready for it was my favorite ahhhhhh
I think its because Im more closer in age to Sabrina Carpenter, I've listened to a lot of her songs ,i can remember the" cant blame a girl for tryin" era and I've been hooked ever since .. so I think shes handled it so well and she's killing it with all her songs
Sabrina is so pretty
Stan sabrina carpenter 💌💌 I like some of liv's songs too tho, brutal saved my life
I love both of them so much
Im glad they are Ok with each other now, i would love a song Collab
bro I love liv so much but the way I was defending Sabrina back in 2021 was INSANE Olivias fans were ruthless
Olivia and Sabrina are actually very similar, it’s just really sad that they both got sucked into all this drama.
I don’t even know these people and here I am watching their drama. I love some gossip 😂❤
I love them
I love them both. during the drama, it was so hard to choose. I didn't. I ignored. seeing these videos make me feel happy. Atleast the drama is over now. I know for a fact most people sided with Sabrina because she's "mature" but they don't see that Olivia was 17. She was a goddamn teenager. and for Olivia, yes. it's not okay to be insecure. Calling Sabrina out for no reason was messed up. Then when people hate Olivia because she writes songs about her past breakups. Why? it's her job let her do what she wants to. Second, most artists do this. Taylor, Conan. who not. at the end, love them both.
both are so incredible and talented
the fact that sabrina said the "we both can laugh abt it" lyric is js showing how sabrina would consider having her as a friend one day
Honestly love these 2
the hatred for everyone involved was so sad to see in the early days, and still to this day... I hope we can all learn to stop pitting celebs, esp women celebs, against each other
"maybe blond was the only rime" was WILDDDD
omg the you’re so vain video from october 12 was my show ahhh!!
@sadman1143
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Such a dream !!
Love both a lot
funny how they both sung taylor swift but only one of them is friends with and touring with her 🤭
I watched a movie of hers and thought omg this actor is so pretty And then just realized that it was Sabrina carpenter
"Maybe we've could been friends, maybe in another life...."