Bronze to Artosis series incoming ?

@ZerglingLover

22 күн бұрын

idk on average bronze players seem just as salty as Artosis so there wouldn’t be much difference

@michaelmiceli8183

22 күн бұрын

I came to comment the same thing haha

@AmericanNationalists

22 күн бұрын

Lmao I would love to see harstems BW Protoss crush artosis

@ulrichwinkler722

22 күн бұрын

YES PLS!

@cristiangomez136

21 күн бұрын

It would be awesome! I will be hooked with it no doubt!

>Does basically the equivalent of walking into a set up siege line "mY oPpOnEnT iS BrAiN DaMaGeD"

@dawislv

17 күн бұрын

Did he say his oponent is brain damaged? I think he Said it only about unit design. Regarding siege line - I thin that actually walking in siege line would be better as Terran units ar least do friendly damage.

I'd pay real money to see Harstem laddering in BW and playing against Artosis. Also, how can that man be ignorant on Dark Archons?! He'd love the unit!

If only Protoss had a way to deal with units that attack ground only. Or a way to detect invisible units.

@rozmarinideas5340

22 күн бұрын

If only. Sadly, this does not exist. 😔

@kugeltmg

22 күн бұрын

The problem is you generally don't have an air army even if you go stargate for oracles early game. If you switch to carriers without upgrades against a zerg with upgraded hydras, you're going to lose that fight (even without the vipers). Carriers are only good when upgraded, in large numbers, and with their interceptors already out. Admittedly then they are amazing; but getting there is very difficult unless the opponent is asleep for 6 minutes.

@kalebcampos1064

22 күн бұрын

​@kugeltmg tempest/phoenix are a significantly faster option. Based on the tech they had though base trading was probably the best choice. But while stalling can build a second Stargate and stockpiling void rays for defense til they push to your last base. They don't need to win the fight, just need to stall for time for your main army to wipe their bases.

@emilianowiiland

22 күн бұрын

Thats what templars with storm are for, countering both hidras and corruptors​@@kugeltmg

@mihairo83

21 күн бұрын

Detection is the main issue vs. Ghosts as well. In PvT they just scan and snipe the Observer. Then ghosts can do whatever they want. The +1 vision for the pylons is a good call, but is still not enough. I mean we admit that Protoss has a vision problem. Maybe +1 vision on the Cannons as well, idk. The problem is the detection. Other than that, I think Protoss is fairly balanced right now.

"Frog in it's pond" means that he is comfortable and safe because in the pond the frog it's in its element, it's domain. Like a spider in it's web or a bear in his cave. Not only are you sitting the chilling but you are more powerful at home or something like that. I never heard this before but i get what he meant.

@Physwe

21 күн бұрын

Bingo Kinda sounds familiar from German

@Cilroc

21 күн бұрын

Not only that, but Frogs hunt by sitting and waiting. I think that's mostly what he meant. They just sit it their pond, waiting for food to walk close enough that they can strike.

@The_Murder_Party

19 күн бұрын

I’ve heard it before- but now that you mention it, I may have heard it mostly in Germany-

@elliejohnson2786

19 күн бұрын

you used the right its once despite using the term 5 times. Crazy.

brood war would be some great content, and nostalgia

@tomasotomato

22 күн бұрын

there is a sc2 vs broodwar mod, you can play e.g. bw terran vs sc2 terran. There are some balance tweaks, e.g. ghost's lockdowns arent freaking infinite, so it seems viable. I think it would be interesting, just imagine sc2 P vs bw Z with 1 supply early game hydras. I think this would make a good content for a couple of videos.

@Kilesfactor

22 күн бұрын

Just look up "Falcon Paladin", he has about 8000 videos on brood ward and still casts them :)

Dear Harstem, I’ll just put it straight up. Human players are imba. In this game, my opponent set my predetermined strategy to “Economic Focus”. I thought we were going to have an epic macro game as I droned up as much as my programming allowed. My opener was solid and I was ahead of my human opponent for most of the game. Everything was going perfectly until bam, two dropships full of marines and marauders drop in my main. There was nothing I could do. One by one, my buildings fell and I had minimal army units to fend off my opponent. It was a disaster. I requested to surrender to my opponent but to my dismay, my opponent said NO to my request and continued to destroy the rest of my buildings. Not only was my opponent imba, but they had the audacity to bm me as well. This is surely imba, as I was not allowed to commit more resources to building an army, but I’ll let you tell me Captain. Is it imba, or do I suck? - AI (Hardest)

I feel bad for laughing too hard over the Artosis joke.

@dutubsucks

21 күн бұрын

We really need a Harstem BW series now! Get some basic coaching from Scarlett maybe who did really well when she played BW for a while.

@dustincintron1682

21 күн бұрын

What artosis joke?

11:55 - Dark Archons in SC:BW can cast Maelstrom, Mind Control, and Feedback. However, they have no normal attack. Regular Archons formed from High Templar cannot cast any spells but have a powerful splash attack, just like Archons in SC2. It would be a joy to see you play some Broodwar. Also this will be the only time I know something the Captain doesn't. 😅

@grimmingpitb461

22 күн бұрын

Artanis Archons in coop can cast storm. not sure if archons with storm are the case in any other mode

By now I am convinced anytime somebody loses to lurkers on the ladder they submit an IMBA.

@hypothalapotamus5293

21 күн бұрын

We can do this Dva. Let's show these Lurkers the meaning of "plus ultra". Lurkers:

@mihairo83

21 күн бұрын

Mass lurkers do so much economical damage vs. Protoss. It is kind of imba from this point of view, not because Lurkers are OP, but because Protoss detection is too weak. You need Oracle good micro, Storm micro and Immortals to deal with it. Skytoss is way too expensive for a Protoss struggling economically, and even if you get to that very slow skytoss army, at that moment Zerg will have map control and faster units. More HP for the Observer too keep him alive for 1-2 seconds more would make a lot of difference IMHO.

@scipio764

21 күн бұрын

​@@mihairo83a) You can opt for disruptor. b) As Harstem said, you dont fight into the Lurker. You poke around until you get into airtoss. As a Zerg player, having to tech into Lurker against Protoss is annoying af. Good Protoss can keep you at base with relative ease, and attack with Lurker forces you into base trade, which is something I dislike.

@sviatoslavkocherov6008

21 күн бұрын

​@@mihairo83new pasta was just created

@mihairo83

21 күн бұрын

@@scipio764 Hi. I think we played recently. I will have to check my match history. I'm sure your MMR is a bit higher than mine. You can't poke with lurkers? They outrange the Cannons, so you can harass the mineral lines in multiple bases at once.

This level of play won't get you to 3300 mmr. Zergs go mass Lurker almost every mid-game in plat/diamond; so you've got to learn that you just don't attack into that many. Like tanks, don't let them get there or accept that that's a zerg base now. I think Lowskilled was majorly thrown off by that proxy hatch and then got ptsd again when he saw lurkers probably because he's lost to them so many times. I can relate to some weird bs throwing you off. It happens all the time but it comes in so many flavors that it's often a surprise. What's truly IMBA is anything weird and aggressive early game. Any random stupid crap is almost always harder to defend than to do because the doer pre-planned it and the defender learned about it once it was well underway. You'll notice Harstem has a rote response to this, like pilot memory items; you have to know how to respond before it happens. It's never clear at that level what the hell is happening.

Couldn't help but chuckle a little bit watching this one. Lowskilled's APM was consistently 3-5x that of RockMan, and that reminded me of a quote I heard once "It doesn't matter how high your APM is if 73% of those actions are shoving your thumb up your butt."

Would be hilarious if from now on, all IODIS replays have the DVa voice

YES PLEASE TO BROOD WAR AND ROAD TO DEFEATING ARTOSIS

I think the "Frog in pond"-line is more of a general description of Lurkers: Like frogs, they sit on their asses and when prey comes along, they obliterate it with a long range attack.

Harstem thinks BW archons have storm. What a newb.

if anime fans were capable of understanding normal pitched english they'd be so mad at you

2:30 - Captain, the phrase "like a frog in it's pond" isn't so much an idion/turn of phrase as a comparison. In their home turf ("ponds") some frogs sit still and let their food come to them, then do the often illustrated tongue whip. He's saying that the Zerg ends up turtling with lurkers that make it dangerous to attack him (for fear of unseen predators), then just crosses the map and ends him.

Just want to point out that Rockman was the name for Megaman in the original Japanese release. Kinda cool I guess....

@ghosthunter0950

22 күн бұрын

Sounds more like a caveman type character rather than a futuristic cutting edge robot lol.

@DLockholm

22 күн бұрын

Rockman IS the name for Megaman in japan, that has not changed at all, just that Capcom decided to kill the series for some reason.

@chaotixthefox

21 күн бұрын

​@@ghosthunter0950His name is Rock. Hence his superhero name is Rockman.

LOVE the delayed *2* worker pull for the proxy, into NOT attacking the hatch but instead double battery INTO swapping the zealot for the 2 workers. Clearly, the Da Vinci of his craft, ideas never before seen by man

Our Neighbour sometimes has a Frog in his Pond and that prevents my parents from sleeping because the frog is quacking all night long; maybe that is what he means, that the lurkers are like a frog in a pond a their spines are annoying like the quacking.

In Brood War you had regular archons made from high templar that are basically identical to the archons in SC2 (just attack only with high shields) and you had dark archons made from dark templar that were spellcasters. They couldn't storm, but they did have other spells like feedback (given to high templar in SC2), mind control and maelstorm (an aoe spell that immobilises).

a frog in its pond - he means he is in his environment, just sieging or camping but as it was meant to be, wherever it choses to be. And: in BroodWar, 2 high templar will make an Archon which has no spells and can only attack, and 2 dark templars will make a Dark Archon, which cannot attack and has only spells, like feedback, immobilize and mind control, no storm.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate the intros to these videos with the complaint form filling up as you are narrating it, the meme illustration at the bottom, and actually filling up the name and checkboxes in the top right corner. Really good stuff 😂

2:31 Which continent are they rowing their islands to? 4:05 Three probe hit squad chasing a zergling, what a circus.

Dark Archons are indeed spellcasters in BW, but they don't cast storm, they have their own spells

we really need a tally on how many IODIS have been about lurkers

I think "like a frog in a pond" sometimes gets used to describe being in a familiar/comfortable space

A frog in a pond is not an expression, its a description. The way all you can see of a frog is its eyes poking above the water.. I admit that lurkers don't look much like frogs so I can see how you would be confused.. I'm pretty sure you can take out a single lurker with 3 zealots coming in from different directions right? Hope this helps.

Dark templars fused into Dark archon. I had this one as a wallpaper on my phone in 2007... that was so cool, despite the unit hadn't basic attack)))) 14:57 Biologist here: frogs actually have their reflexes neural circuits located outside the brain, primarily in the spinal cord. Therefore if LowSkilled belongs to some kind of a frog race he could play headless based on pure reflexes. Idk how this frogling would overcome a little problem with lacking eyes to look at the game, but... this is a minor issue comparing to the absence of brain. 20:01 The sound xD

The Blue Bomber strikes in SC2.

19:10 He's kiting the spore. Which he wouldn't need to do, if he had control groups.

Hoping for a brood war series

12:15, what a bold statement.

thats dva, not anime. means lowskilled plays overwatch - which is even worse than watching anime. I sadly was exposed to that side of the internet and its burnt into my brain

Archon = the one we have... Dark Archon = Could take control of a enemy unit... no "Storm" Archons

I've heard of a frog in a pond and I'm in the US. I can't imagine a frog fending off a coyote, yet "ribbit ribbit ribbit". Frogs sit in the all you can eat bug-buffet and taunt all the predators within a quarter mile (half a km) all day (and night) every day all summer and nothing bad happens to them.

At least the name of the complainant is accurate; LowSkilled.

2:28 the brexit burn. Oof. Mainland europe still loves you tho. Please come back after the puberty phase

@nathangamble125

11 сағат бұрын

Ugh, it's not a phase mum! I want to hang out with Rwanda and America. You wouldn't understand.

0:55 Oh! I think I know what unit he talks about. An invisible unit that can just wipe Toss armies off the map? But what does Zerg have to do with it?

Loved the BroodWar idea! As a diamond 3 player I decided to ladder in BroodWar recently 20:17 . Long story short my first match was a PvT, didnt practice or anything. 40 minute game me trying to use zealots/dragoon/storms and carriers. Man what a banger it was. Pd: of course I lost. Terran zoned me out with so many turrets in strategic locations.

I'm all in for you trying brood war. But there's also a mod popular on the Korean server where you can play SC2 vs brood war. That would be a very fun watch.

You playing brood war and battling Artosis would be quality content!

Based on the context, frog in its pond = Being cozy/happy where you are. Nothing indicates it would mean anything else

This is not a timing attack, thats for sure... if it is a timing attack, the timing would be 'too late' 😂

I would love to see "Harstem learns Broodwar"! You could even bracket it with Artosis matches, one at the beginning "What happens when a SC2 player plays Broodwar", followed by "What's possible after a couple months or learning".

An Artosis v Harstem BW match featuring an Artosis Rant and reviewed in post as an IODIS submission would be the crossover of the century and now I absolutely need it to happen

I think "a frog in a pond" refers to the frogs in a russian children book (a traveller frog), where regular frogs are pictured as a creatures that always praise their own swamp where everything is better then everywhere else. In contrast with that special "traveller" frog that was collaborating with birds to experiment with travelling. Sadly, that brave frog could not manage to travel far enough, ended in an another swamp, bragging with her new friends about how good other places are. So probably "frog in a pond" is someone who does not want to discover something and step into the unknown.

I feel bad for the driver that hits the eccentric dancing girl with headphones on. Imagine telling that story!

Frog in a pond is a common expression. Means to be an ambush predator.

I believe he refers to the Japanese proverb that can be roughly translated as "the frog in the well (or pond) knows not of the sea".

@Skorpyotnt

22 күн бұрын

That doesn't make sense. That proverb means that "you" the frog know nothing about the world because you are limited by the well. You might be the most powerful being in the well but the world is a lot bigger. The most powerful being in the well is but a dust outside that well. That's the general idea. I believe that his frog in pond is more like being comfortable at home. But I might be wrong.

Hi, the guy is kiting the hatchery because he is trying to keep his air units from dying to the spore.

@kugeltmg

22 күн бұрын

yep, because he's using F2. This happens to me when I panic F2 for a basetrade and don't have time to re-separate my units. I think Lowskilled never made a 2nd control group in the first place. It's extremely bad against lurker/hydra too because you'll keep losing your observers to the hydras and if you F2 you certainly aren't capable of keeping them tagged with an oracle.

@mothrahlurker788

21 күн бұрын

And still loses units to the spore. The guy doesn't even have the basic micro to just select the air units and move them back. While this is pretty low mmr it's still kinda sad that he could reach this level with this level of macro, micro and decision making.

@trentostgaard

21 күн бұрын

@@mothrahlurker788 Don't be surprised what a good meta build order will do for you. I hit around that level in teams cause I don't play 1v1 but I play almost entirely my own build orders, and boy do I have to compensate for my build orders. Often watch replays from perspective of team members and you still get the 60 apm straight into air players that don't know what the other side of the map is until they are maxed, they usually get there because of the simplicity and all-around nature of what they are doing. Masters is really where people start understanding the game.

You could make a thing about playing from idiotic positions, like the mass lurker in your base at 24:20, against actually good players. Not only would it be funny it could also be educational to lower tier players.

"The British are not part of Europe anymore" 😂 Not sure if countries can exit continents my dude

@user-ke1vk6zg2j

22 күн бұрын

You know that Britain is an island, don't you? :)

@vlandorrackhum5420

22 күн бұрын

he obviously meant the European Union and Brexit, but ok

I would love to see how far you can get in brood war! I think this should be a series.

Harstem: I have nothing against anime. Also harstem: There's a certain kind of brain rot you need to truly enjoy this kind of stuff.

that pain to watch when the zealot just walk on top of the lurker

Cool episode! Ridiculous last fight!

Lowskilled really needed to rebuild that warp prism.

Wise man said: "Each lurker is like a tank and a half. If you wouldn't go into an area where are fifteen tanks attacking you, then you shouldn't go where there are ten lurkers attack you."

Not sure if you've done this before, but this would be a great game to have 2 pros pick up where the gg left off without telling them what the game looks like (if this is possible). They load in and see what happens.

A Broodwar "road to Artosis" series sounds amazing lmao

Without even watching the full video yet: use storms or disruptors After watching the video: yep, should have used storms or disruptors instead of running whole army into lurker field what's wrong with you

There is the European fire-belly toad (bombina bombina) well spread in the Central and Eastern Europe. It is venomous. I think that's what LowSkilled refers to.

I get that Lurkers can be frustrating! My Detectors also always are to far forward and die or not in reach in the first place. BUT my dude already had storm AND disruptors !? It's not like you need detection at this point.

@randomstrategy7679

21 күн бұрын

The key is that you do have to actually use the storms and energy-ball-thing instead of simply floating the high templar and disruptors on top of the lurkers to die.

7:12 Thanks to the editor for this explanation.

waiting for your brood war crusade

I like at the end of the frog analogy, Harstem's question is, "I wonder if these frogs will be happy or sad" haha

At 21:56 you mention how lurkers have to siege, and then unsiege, and this is time consuming.. Its not really true though. You can totally leapfrog constantly using the shift key and que up the siege mode on things like siege tanks, liberators, and lurkers. If you make just two separate hotkeys you can do this all day to great effect.

@douglasbessette6045

21 күн бұрын

Another thing I rarely see is pro players queuing up targets.. lets say you have two reapers and you know you can kill 3 probes.. you can shift left click 3 probes an dthen send reapers home as one long command freeing yourself up to do other things in the early game. This works for clearing supply depos quickly with liberators as well.. You can siege your liberators analize and decide to kill a few supply depos or a single tech structure, and also que up retreating after they are done, with pathing. congrats on the recent tournament btw, I love your work.

@strammerdetlef

12 күн бұрын

yeah sure better clear a nexus with 2 libs u super expert, go give more tips to pro players in ytube comments

This was a brutal iodis: the worst fight in recorded history of iodis, he is more brain damaged than his opponent and he sucks. But, 'frog in a pond' is a great expression, let noskill go down in history as the linguistic mastermind who came up with that.

I would like to see you and lambo play out these games from a mid-point where the submitter thought they couldn't win

Is distruptor strong against lurkers @Harstem ??

You are mistaken slightly. Storming is from High Templar, take two to get an Archon, those two units are pretty much the same as in SC2. The Dark Templar are very similar to their SC2 successors, no blink though. Take two of them to get a Dark Archon, which special gimmick is to mind control an enemy Unit - Permanently. I'm not certain you can even make Dark Archons in Multiplayer...

Thank you harstem! This is the best video style on youtube

Adding my voice to the chorus of calls for Brood War content! Please, Captain, give the people what we want!

kiting a hatch is the same energy as a dog barking at a parked car

You should try brood war!

I thought I was a fraud at 3400 MMR, 0 control groups and 70 APM, but damn..... My macro is so bad I don't think I ever got to 60 drones ever. But something like a good engage and a few good orders within a fight is enough to carry you high it seems.

I’m pretty sure the frog in its pond thing just means that it’s ready to spring an attack at any time. Frogs can jump very high with their legs, and basically instantly, so a frog sitting in its pond is ready to jump, and strike I guess.

Someone has probably answered at this point, but Dark Archons have Mind Control, Feedback and Maelstrom. I think Maelstrom just holds units in place without making them invulnerable like Stasis does. But don't quote me on that. I don't think Dark Archons were ever really part of the Meta.

"my opponent is brain damaged" phoenix, observer, oracle all sitting at home with the main army lmao

how did that guy get to diamond and not A moving as protoss?

@fare-5174

21 күн бұрын

He was but the observer was the first thing that got a-moved into vipers so the rest of the army couldn't see the lurkers. I guess that was part of the complaint.

Honestly the problem of the series is that captain while asserting "is it imbalanced or do I suck" doesn't seem to recognize scenario "I suck, but it is still unbalanced". Let's be honest - everyone will always suck. We have seen players from all levels even pro asserted as "sucks", but losing because of making mistakes doesn't mean it's balanced. For most of player's who can't play Perfect lack of Ballance means situations where probabilities of making mistake or impact of those mistakes are asymmetrical. In this case guy's army melted in seconds because in heat of the moment he made a mistake of not using an attack move and his units simply walked over lurkers not dealings any damage and dying. While it is also possible to do a similar mistake from zerg side and walking with lurkers into a protoss death ball it usually doesn't happen. I think SC2 unit pathing and clumping up patterns makes the army that is not well controlled very vulnerable to lurker damage especially when army is walking towards lurkers as they deal splash damage in straight lines. So consequences of not doing at least basic correct micro against lurkers are catastrophic and this is why in my book it is not balanced.

I'm pretty sure, that by frog in the pond, he meant that zerg just sat at he's base comfortably. Because frog sits comfortably in the pond

Thank you for mentioning up to 20 workers is more efficient than long distance mining, im a low masters player and I didn't know that. More helpful facts like that in future vids would be very appreciated.

11:20 lol, he runs away from the roaches, with a flying unit. Just to fly into spores..... 19:16 why are the disruptores in front of the army? And yes, yes i know the answer is: because of no control groupes!

11:52 why does the lost oracle count as 0 / 0 / 0 resources?

Harstem in sc1 2 templars made and a regular archon and 2 DT's made a (dark Archon) which was a spell caster that had mind control. Once you mind control a unit, it was then yours forever from what i remember. Also just to let you know, im a frog in a pond :'v

The answer is simple. Lowskilled sucks and Lurkers are imba

@chloesmith4065

22 күн бұрын

Lurkers outranging colossi feels thematically weird so maybe just buff colossi to 10 range with extended thermal lance? We had a patch where this was done accidentally and it's not like it really gave Protoss a bunch more wins.

@faridmk3707

22 күн бұрын

@@chloesmith4065 Quiet, before terran players hear you and write a 10 page essay about Colosus being more powerful than every terran unit combined.

@TheGriftcast

22 күн бұрын

​@@faridmk3707everything is overpowered when you suck.

@Kilesfactor

22 күн бұрын

@@chloesmith4065 Let's give colossi global range; the minute they pop out, they one-shot everything that everything it can see, which is everything.

@ParleLeVu

22 күн бұрын

@@TheGriftcast Irrelevant. As this game actually shows, the Lurker is just too imba. The only control is burrow/unburrow, and it has 200 hp (!), good speed, insane SPLASH damage and it costs very little in terms of resources and supply compared to it's insane damage output. If you put 15 tanks there instead of Lurkers, the tanks would eventually be cleaned up, but Lurkers? Nooooo. Tbh Lurkers should lose their extended range upgrade and get nerfed to 150 hp, so that 1 disruptor ball and 2 storms kill them. Then they might be balanced.

The correct response is 6 probes. After the Zealot appears, the Hatch is gone. At this moment, Zerg is so far behind, because he delayed his Nat, his drone count, his economy and his tech. It's an easy W for the defender.

@mothrahlurker788

18 күн бұрын

It's not "so far", especially since the natural isn't even delayed, it was a third hatch paroxy after all.

Did I hear some kind of global declaration of war against Anime?

17:28 cmon at least tab into lowskill's vision for the staredown with the proxy base!

Protoss was almost ahead the whole game even with the proxy hatch and nexus delay and just let it get away from him by walking into very obvious lurkers. Just walk around them.

Astrea uses the Dva announcer afaik

Didn't help that in that last fight he just moved three or four colossi right over the lurkers. Christ, at least A move so even if you do something stupid you do a LITTLE damage.

I'm all for BW attempt. The Dark Archon has Maelstrom, but it only seems to work well in limited situations. I've been playing Protoss since 1998, (rarely though) and I don't think I've ever made a Dark Archon. That's your series, "Dark Archon to S-Rank"

I swear he MUST pay these guys to talk like this in their imba forms, they are almost always so confident in themself being flawless lol

new series, can you win the IODIS

Has he ever said that something is IMBA? Because without watching I can guess that the author of the complaint sucks.

Dark Archon has Maelstorm spell to 'stasis' units but these units can be attacked.