Well, “Live” did give themselves the least searchable band name of all time...

@chrizzle30

3 жыл бұрын

Google didn't really exist then...

@opiate1080

3 жыл бұрын

Tool gives them a run for their money though!

@cdprince768

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry to correct you, but it's pronounced "Live".

@krisfrederick5001

3 жыл бұрын

Lol nice, even though I love them. Based on a true story.

@jonathaneaton2204

3 жыл бұрын

I saw Live in Kansas City in 2019. They are still around just playing smaller venues like Casinos.

The fact that a band like Cake got tons of radio play tells you just how crazy diverse the 90s music industry was

@user-on4kf8fi7n

6 ай бұрын

I'd say Alternative radio was diverse in the early 90's (up to about 1993). From around 1993 and on, the format was favoring grunge or harder rock edged music.

I'm surprised REM wasn't mentioned among the casualties! Something we don't talk enough about 90's alt-rock is how wonderfully ORGANIC/roots-y it was. So much Hammond B3, maybe a little mandolin, etc. When that scene died, pop music lost those organic elements, besides maybe some John Mayer, and anything country-ish. That said, as a big fan of heavy music, it's fun now to reminisce about Nu-Metal decades later. I quickly got swept up in the craze in 1998 as a 12 year-old, but by 2001, "Nu-Metal" became quite the dirty-word/insult/punchline among metalheads until "emo" blew up ~2005-06. Looking back though, I can't deny the *massive* influence Nu-Metal had in shaping my taste in heavy music, even if I would never listen to it nowadays. Thanks, Rick!

@davidaleman6101

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't call R.E.M. a part of the 90's alternative rock movement. They had been around since the 80's and they were alternative rock before it was even called that. Back in the 80's they were considered college rock.

You forgot the curse of Silverchair and they said they would make it up to you in the year 2000

@paulcusentino4917

3 жыл бұрын

Diorama, from 2002, is a fantastic album, but got no attention. People had moved on.

@claymaddox2298

3 жыл бұрын

They are such an interesting story to me. The lead singer has one of the greatest voices of all time but they came around at a terrible time, and tried to be something they weren't (like a Coldplay type) and that killed them.

@Hellwyck

3 жыл бұрын

You mean the singer who had anorexia from stress and arthritis so had to quit for a while?

@anti-ethniccleansing465

3 жыл бұрын

Their album with the orchestra still is so amazing to listen to, to this day. Electric Ballroom I think it is called?

@Rodrigombia1990

3 жыл бұрын

@@anti-ethniccleansing465 Neon Ballroom

Rick's shirt really ties the room together.

@WDRhine

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man.

@jacbo374

3 жыл бұрын

LOL

@stella-vu8vh

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, it rly does

@undeadblackjack

3 жыл бұрын

"KZread pee'd on my fuckin' shirt, man!"

@michael_dv9225

3 жыл бұрын

This y2k curse will not stand, man...

Day after Y2K: every station in KC played Prince's "1999" for a week straight, and when they finally stopped, all the stations had changed their formats. The weirdest part was that no one seemed to notice but me. I would ask people what they thought about, what was to me, this HUGE shift, and all I ever got as an answer were these heads cocked sideways like confused dogs. They simply hadn't noticed that the Flaming Lips etc had just been replaced by the Backstreet Boys etc, en masse and across the country. Like invasion of the body snatchers or something. Thanks for addressing these issues, Rick. I seriously felt alone in noticing these things. Your perspective and information are most appreciated.

@vitor.guitarra

3 жыл бұрын

bro I got curious do you have more about this?

@mattygee5000

3 жыл бұрын

Similar thing happened on jan 1 1990.. other than a lucky few acts that were able to navigate the crossing out of the 80s.. no hair band could even get their calls returned by the guy booking acts for the county fair. People were just done with it... the glam and excess suddenly seemed old and contrived.

@dougrobinson8602

3 жыл бұрын

I had to hit the thumbs up button after your Invasion of the Body Snatchers comment. So true.

@TheDmonet

3 жыл бұрын

There was a time during the 90's when The Breeders were in regular rotation on Z100, the main "hits" stations in NYC. The format didn't last until 2000, maybe until '97 or so, with a brief crossover to the more Third Eye blind "post grunge" style of bands, but I remember thinking it was incredible this happened when up until around '92 it was the realm of Phil Collins and Whitney Houston. When the boy bands started getting pushed that was indeed the end of rock on "hits" radio, and it's basically never come back except maybe for the occasional tune.

@DeadLuckArchives

3 жыл бұрын

I was there, I remember. 96.5 was alt, 93.3 was pop and 98.9 was metal. Its like you were a part of one of those stations or nothing.

I'm happily stuck in the 90s 🥰 I still make mixed CDs (lol) and every day on my commute to uni, I listen to my 90s playlists: Soundgarden, AIC, RATM, STP, Faith No More, Greenday, Offspring, Filter. Best era of music, hands down! 🎵

Cake is still so f'ing good. A singular band. Nobody was like them or has been since.

@garth_garthalgar

3 жыл бұрын

Right there with you man.

@DustyRichardspdx

3 жыл бұрын

Right! They've always been as fresh and unique and clever and great, and despite having numerous mainstream modest hits over years and years... It's surprising they don't have a bigger more vocal fanbase than they do. I fear the novelty/quirkiness factor overshadows the formidable songwriting and serious musicianship. The fact I've not once seen Gabe Nelson listed among the elite influential bass players is all the proof I need to confirm that this world is indeed cruel, random, and capricious and that justice doesn't exist, nothing is fair, and pretty much everything is pointless and stupid and also sucks. Which is a bummer. On the bright side, there are six full-length Cake albums chock full of the sickest, nastiest, groovenest, funky funky bass parts you could ever want.

@quikxfl

3 жыл бұрын

Cake and Flaming Lips

@craigyoung4156

3 жыл бұрын

Cake was very underrated

@fournierda

3 жыл бұрын

Yet they continue to be be political shills for the party that phased them out.

As someone who works in IT I just wanted to say: The Y2K bug was a SERIOUS issue. The only reason "nothing happened" was because there were millions of dollars and thousands of work hours put into upgrading systems so that nothing would happen. It's entirely a myth that the bug was blown out of proportion. The risks were very real and very dangerous and it was a world wide concerted effort that kept things functional going into the new millennium. This is a perfect case of "If you do your job well, people won't know you've done anything at all."

@Zraknul

3 жыл бұрын

Basically it's what happens when experts are given the time and money to solve a problem. It was probably the last global expert endeavor pre-COVID.

@ajackson5955

3 жыл бұрын

It’s also a good example of a global problem being solved by actually WORKING on the problem and not just pointing fingers and shrugging shoulders 🤷‍♂️. I feel like if Y2K were happening this year we’d all be screwed.

@mrfoogaba2005

3 жыл бұрын

„There is no glory in prevention!“

@AllTheCoolNamesAreTaken84

3 жыл бұрын

But why couldn't things still function? Just because the year changed from 1999 to 2000??

@chrisdann8937

3 жыл бұрын

@@AllTheCoolNamesAreTaken84 in the simplest possible terms, due to the way dates were represented and processed in code, the year wasn’t changing from 1999 to 2000, it was changing from 99 to 0.

I'd add Oasis survived the curse as well. They just couldn't survive each other.

@voodoo194

3 жыл бұрын

I don't get why people keep shitting on them. Yeah, many songs weren't that original (which they always admitted). But they were definitely one of the most punk bands out there, even though their music wasn't punk.

@rogueleader5

3 жыл бұрын

@@voodoo194 I was always a casual fan until about 5yrs ago the KZread algorithm took me on a ride through all of their B-Sides and now they are top 5 for me easy.

@voodoo194

3 жыл бұрын

@@rogueleader5 absolutely. For me they're one of the last real Rockbands. Watch the Supersonic doc, if you haven't. They're just some real dudes. I think their british idgaf attitude just flew over the heads of many americans who thought they were just pricks.

@13StJimmy

3 жыл бұрын

They probably did in Britain but not really in the US Besides Wonderwall sadly

@phnelson033

3 жыл бұрын

@@voodoo194 Not sure why people assume Oasis was not a gigantic deal here in the US...they were rather undisputedly among the 'biggest' things here at that time, with non-stop MTV & radio rotation. It's not like a Robbie Williams type of thing -- who missed his window by about a decade to peddle that schtick in America. Oasis, Blur & Radiohead were all huge around that similar timeframe, but Oasis clearly ruled the roost, unfortunately. And yes I do say 'unfortunately'. None of those bands are in my personal musical wheelhouse, but without a doubt I'd vastly prefer Radiohead or even Blur over that vapid 'adult contemporary' schlock-rock from Oasis. Then again if I wanted music from across the pond that was ACTUALLY important to me, that of course would be (and should be): This Heat, Joy Division, My Bloody Valentine, The Wedding Present, Mogwai, etc.

Great video. Man, that took me down memory lane!

@Stahlgewitter

3 жыл бұрын

Right? No kidding

and Morphine. Mark Sandman died in 1999 and that ended 90's music for me.

I am forever telling everyone how the Telecommunications Act was the worst thing to ever happen to popular music.

@baltax11

3 жыл бұрын

More like the monopoly act

@jontowers6780

3 жыл бұрын

It's all about big businesses donating to political campaigns or the "foundations" of a politicians wife or family member. The same thing is happening right now. How many little stores were closed in the name of public health? Walmart, Target, Costco, and the major supermarket chains are still open. That's because they have the most money to make the biggest donations. It's not about public health, it's about greed.

@megazillion2946

3 жыл бұрын

@@baltax11 INDEED. People are like the 90's were so great, I am like, not if you even paid a little attention below the surface.

@megazillion2946

3 жыл бұрын

@@jontowers6780 I totally talk about this as well. We are losing the fight big time and even myself has had to use big box consumerism more than I am comfortable with because of Covid. It really gets under my skin and I can't wait for this to be over. Small business is something that we need for people with not affluent backgrounds to have a shot in this rigged and over praised beyond critique economic structure.

@dontletherspeak7575

3 жыл бұрын

@@megazillion2946 Hate to break it to you, but it aint ever gonna be over, were just getting started.

It wasn't a subgenre that killed "grunge". It was the record industry, itself. They didn't know when to quit. They signed everybody with facial hair and a sad song. They went for quantity over quality.

@nielsB_FPV

3 жыл бұрын

the same thing that killed nu-metal after that :D

@iamcode.4

3 жыл бұрын

@@nielsB_FPV Yep. It's the same old cycle. Something gets popular, the industry jumps on it, starts repackaging it in more and more commercially friendly ways till there's nothing left of it but an empty shell and an image, plug it to death till everyone's sick of it and wait for the next big thing.

@fydstar

3 жыл бұрын

@@iamcode.4 also nu-metal was frigging exciting at first, like nothing else before it!

@voodoo194

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, watch Billy Corgan on Joe Rogan. He talks a lot about what went down in the 90s with the Industry.

@RandyWillcox

3 жыл бұрын

Yup! Same with 80s rock. Grunge didn't kill "hair metal". "Hair metal" killed 80s metal. When labels started signing everyone with big hair and spandex who sang about banging Chicks backstage, the genre got watered down. It ruined itself. The market was saturated and people got tired. In every genre, the bands who carry on are the ones who were genuine to the genre. The band's from the 80s who were authentic can still do shows and make a living, because they weren't fabricated. Same with bands from the grunge era, and why Counting Crows can still play big stages. Every era has their OGs and their posers. And the labels were great at always watering down the good liquor just to make profit. 😤

Blur "disappeared" mostly because Gorillaz took off in 2000, at least that's what I believe.

@ianmansfield68

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, they had 10+ years of success by then and they wanted to try something different. The Verve were an unstable band who had split up before Urban Hymns got recorded, then split up again before 2000.

@MrDlt123

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, and they kept reinventing and morphing, so their sound never got stale and repetitive.

@raisa_cherry33

3 жыл бұрын

They got blurred 😂

@fredd3233

3 жыл бұрын

There was also internal tension : their guitarist Graham Coxon was struggling with alcoholism and quit the band while they were recording Think Tank (which came out in 2003). They toured for that album and entered a hiatus until 2009 (when Coxon rejoined the band). And as you wrote, Gorillaz took off at the same time, and it became pretty clear Damon Albarn's focus shifted towards his "other" band for most of that decade.

@oscarpineirogamarra6513

3 жыл бұрын

In that way The Verve because Richard Ashcroft’s solo career. I don’t think this curse works with british or european bands. There’s a music world beyond america’s stage.

I don't understand any of this. Yet I am terribly fascinated.

@dustybrown4599

3 жыл бұрын

I think it boils down to Nu metal having such energy that other bands got little attention during that time. And music became even more industrialized

@user-sy5ij1bh4i

3 жыл бұрын

Well sonny.. we lived through it. Someday soon, you too will experience further consolidation of media, when Amazon buys the remaining six or puts them out of business. On that day.. five years from now.. you'll know what Rick is talking about.

The fact that the the major Media outlets in America went from being owned by 50 companies in 1983 to SIX(!) in 2011 should be absolutely bone-chilling. Everyone complains about the tech giants now, but they're just benefiting from the loosening of enforcement of competition standards over the the course of decades. I never thought to associate this with the increasing homogenization of music, but it certainly makes sense. It's happening right now with movies too.

@jasonboness3871

3 жыл бұрын

and fake news was born! 1996 Telecommunications Act signed into law by Bill Clinton

@redskullz1249

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonboness3871 I'm not sure what fake news has to do with it, but okay...

@redskullz1249

3 жыл бұрын

@Luke It's not just those sectors. It's every sector. 10 companies control the food industry.

@thephoenixhasflown

3 жыл бұрын

I heard it put this way before the 80s ended in 92 the '90s ended in '98.

@jasonboness3871

3 жыл бұрын

@@redskullz1249 Are you that ignorant?

This is one of the only times I’ve ever heard anyone discuss Live. So huge when I was in college, and then nothing.

@cdubranslam

3 жыл бұрын

Secret samadhi killed their career, just insufferable to listen to during drivetime in the car.

@peerhauser

3 жыл бұрын

@@cdubranslam The Album after that was good as well and even easily digestable. It went downhill with the one after that, named "V" in my opinion

@adderon7476

3 жыл бұрын

Live and Bush had a pretty big tour a few years ago

@Lance37a

3 жыл бұрын

@@cdubranslam Secret Samdhi was pretty good, I like a lot of songs on it. I just think as they went on they didn't have enough variety to their sound and everything started to sound the same.

@The_Distance_111

3 жыл бұрын

One of my favorites, I saw Live on the Throwing Copper tour and again just a couple years ago. Yes, Throwing Copper was a huge album. Secret Samadhi, less favorable overall, but has some great songs, including one of my favorite Live tunes, Turn My Head. The Distance To Here is an excellent album and shows continued growth in their songs writing. V has some excellent songs as well.

I also love the Throwing Copper album from live. I bought the CD back then and listened to it in the car. 25 years and few cars later, the CD is still in there. I still enjoy listening to it. Great album👍🏻

@dreimer2112

3 жыл бұрын

I Alone is a burner!

Rick, love that you gave a shoutout to The Verve - I feel like A Storm In Heaven is a criminally underrated album... and holy cow Nick McCabe as a guitarist...!

Also important to note the split between Alternative and what would become Indie Rock around this time. Between 1999-2001, records like Modest Mouse's Moon and Antartica, Radiohead's Kid A, The Strokes This Is It were all coming out, and a few years later Arcade Fire, Yeah Yeah Yeahs and LCD Soundsystem would get big. But these bands were driven by music blog on the internet like Pitchfork and not radio play. I remember in 2002 the rock stations were still playing Papa Roach and Incubus, but all cool kids were listening to Interpol, Wilco and Spoon on their iPods - which were also released in 2001. Maybe it wasn't just consolidation in radio, but the end in relevance in radio?

@danieldaniels7571

3 жыл бұрын

Nu-metal made alt-rock radio so bad I started listening to R&B pop stations. 50 Cent, Eminem, Shakira, Beyoncé... at least that all had a nice beat and those artists weren’t screaming at me.

@Z3nHolEminD

3 жыл бұрын

All great bands should be kept in a hush ,,, he’s talking about the real “ sellouts”

@trailerwager8850

3 жыл бұрын

If we could settle in enough and appreciate what we have we'd be straight. We'd have more songs like 'Closing Time'.There's too much in our society that makes us hyped to something small and sleak and synthetic. Makes us precious, dammit

@trailerwager8850

3 жыл бұрын

Korn is like a lot of bands w an element to their sound. They have domestic escapism and catharsis. Depeche Mode's atmosphere is that of pure romance. Metallica --war, machine guns. Elements are long lasting and so are they

@Z3nHolEminD

3 жыл бұрын

Korn is also kill porn ,, the little Xcitement in violence ,, that today is comical

Things got REAL corporate. Especially those Eddie Vedder clones.

@peteytwofinger

3 жыл бұрын

Bothered me beyond belief ... for 5 years every time i am near a radio some guy is going YEE aa ah . then there were the bar bands with singers doing this on every song , ruining so much innocent music .those chain wallet grease balls all bought the creed album the same day it came out . they all have bad tribal tattoos as well .

@chiarosuburekeni9325

3 жыл бұрын

@@peteytwofinger as someone es who got a shitty tribal tattoo in 1999 I feel personally attacked. Lol

@panicBoydotcom

3 жыл бұрын

I call it the underbite sound.

@chizorama

3 жыл бұрын

Woodstock 99 validates your statement...

@OGGOAT23

3 жыл бұрын

I call it mumble grunge

You're mentioning a lot of great bands from the 90s. Thanks for the memories.

The 90’s were the most musically diverse decade in history and that made it great. There hasn’t been much musical innovation since then.

@ChainNonSmoker

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you, the decade took the best elements of the past decades and mixed great new soup out of it. Lots of "normal" talented people writing and performing their music alongside the popstars and manufactured artists. There were some really big and interesting music festivals and actual variety of musical styles in most of 'em. Classic studio techniques were at their prime, before computers (first slowly, later much more rapidly) took over. And people still bought their music in physical format which then become their property, which lead artists to get paid from the sales, and people went to the gigs to actually experience the gig and the music and not their cellphones. Wish I existed in that world, but I did not.

@dankweed5049

3 жыл бұрын

The radio and media just took rock and metal away from the outlets that creates your opinions. Hundreds of slept on bands

@dankweed5049

3 жыл бұрын

@@facelessandnameless every movie genre had good movies then around 06 is when everything fell off

@jsekits

3 жыл бұрын

@@dankweed5049 honestly I think mostly everything has been in massive decline since ~06/07ish. Movies, music, culture, everything really.

@alexh2790

3 жыл бұрын

I think the 70s might have the 90s beat for diversity.

Important element: Napster and the internet. The rise of mp3s was a direct backlash to that corporate control of what people were hearing. Post-communications act, what people heard felt extremely controlled. A lot of the bands you listed were mid to late 90s bands, the waves of music after grunge that was largely middle of the road quality. Labels were making one hit bands and selling a ton of singles, while also tricking the public into the album sales. Not a great amount of quality albums in that period, but plenty of one hit wonders. Those bands may have had more than one single chart, but nobody can remember what those songs were. They were carefully released onto radio and then normally tied into movies or commercials. It was painfully obvious how controlled everything was. Just some examples, from working record stores at the time: Sugar Ray's first hit was a Sublime vibe song. The rest of the album was entirely Nu Metal. People kept returning the album. Sugar Ray changed their whole sound only to have the plug pulled on them when radio stations went all Nu Metal. Jewel has a great album, but it was not high production. They redproduced her album and put the new productions into films. She charted high largely after her release. They had to rerelease her album with the new production because the consumers wanted the movie versions. Basically making one album sell twice per consumer. And then mp3s get loose on the internet and you could find music for yourself. Changed a great many things.

@maxonmendel5757

3 жыл бұрын

sugar ray did nu metal???

@timseitz199

3 жыл бұрын

The Sugar Ray albums "Lemonade and Brownies" and "Floored" sound basically nothing like their albums that came after. "Floored" is a great album and I highly recommend checking it out. Mark McGrath straight up admits the band sold out hard. They got such big radio airplay from "Fly" which wasn't originally even going to be on the "Floored" album and ended up being such a huge hit for them they changed their sound to match it.

@trailerwager8850

3 жыл бұрын

Think what element the successful bands present. Elements are long lasting and so are they

@GodzillaI

3 жыл бұрын

Sugar Ray's last famous commercial song When It's Over is very appropriate for this topic.

@DustyRichardspdx

3 жыл бұрын

@Kit Duguay I've long wondered if one day I would ever come across another person in the world who is also aware of Road Rash 64 and the bonkers soundtrack. Finally, I now know, there are indeed others like myself and I walk this path perhaps not as alone as I once believed.

A big factor in Third Eye Blind's demise was when Kevin Cadogan was pushed out of the band following the recording of 'Blue'. His guitar parts made a MASSIVE difference for that band.

@starcode89

3 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%! Cadogan‘s guitar riffs were the secret sauce of Third Eye Blind’s sound. Awesome first album! Then greed and one huge ego blew it all up.

@wmd741

3 жыл бұрын

100% Kevin Cadogan is an underrated 90s rock guitarist

@cheftekard7165

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! You completely nailed it.

@HotStrange

3 жыл бұрын

I agree but I LOVE Out of the Vein in a different way. Blue is a masterpiece but Out of the Vein is great too.

@Master_RoSSShi

3 жыл бұрын

This is 100% part of the reason. They still had some radio presence with OOTV, but once Arion left they were completely done for. Also, I wish so bad that Rick would do a video on Kevin Cadogan.

Tonic is highly underrated. Even their acoustical stuff is strong and they have some outstanding lyrics.

Deftones they not change , since 90s they are constantly improving our world of music

I remember early 2000s when the only rock radio station in my city became a reggaeton station over night. No warning. It was devastating.

@thephoenixhasflown

3 жыл бұрын

Oh man! For some reason we all have one of those mine was a full-blown Rock and roller that went sports talk and an AM rocker with a rock and roll edge that went classic hits. There's just something about hearing classic rock and roll on am that really sounds cool to me.

@daleonov

3 жыл бұрын

In 2004 (ish) only Alternative radio station in my country became a pop station overnight. That station even had its own fan club and a large following, so loooots of kids got pissed.

@thephoenixhasflown

3 жыл бұрын

@@daleonov kind of reminds me of a certain y100 I wasn't one of the ones that was into it at the time but brother did everybody go absolutely ape when that sucker turned into rap! Even though I wasn't really into it I knew a ton of people who were and the second I heard that I was like, uh-oh.

@thephoenixhasflown

3 жыл бұрын

@@daleonov there was even a petition signed by millions that was flat ignored.

@rodrigblanc

3 жыл бұрын

¿En Guatemala?

"They wish they were Korn, "I" wish they were Korn." That's hilarious. Consolidation and centralization kills everything. Back in the day a radio DJ could make a band successful. Just keep playing their records. But the 2000s was all about every station playing the same songs.

@matturner6890

3 жыл бұрын

@@WithScienceAsMySheperd Hahahaha, classic little ditty. Thanks for bringing it to memory.

@texas-raider

3 жыл бұрын

"Consolidation and centralization kills everything. " Bingo. True in music, true in business, true in everything, especially politics. The bigger and more DC centric this nation becomes, the less free we are. Fat cats love to consolidate power and rule by fiat, whatever the industry, program or institution.

@bonecanoe86

3 жыл бұрын

I have to give credit for Radio 104.5 in Philly for making Of Monsters and Men big in America by playing "Little Talks" non-stop. Yes it's a bit of an overplayed cliché now but at the time it was a quirky and endearing little indie tune that people looked forward to hearing.

@jameslane9537

3 жыл бұрын

Or a record label guy with a band's record and an 8-ball for the Program Director... Back in the early 90s, I took a communications course taught by Donna Halper (She's been involved with radio for eons and had a large hand in breaking Rush to US radio.) The stories she told about what went on in the 60s and 70s in radio were pretty interesting.

@anthonymaravola3966

3 жыл бұрын

@@WithScienceAsMySheperd So unbelievably perfect. The really sad thing is I can name every song that it is parodying and not ironically either...

Third Eye Blind still one of my favorites that I listen to all their stuff up now I believe they're bass player not the original bass player.. but the bass players in the band on the past few records has recently passed..if this is the case my condolences anyways I just wanted to say props to Third Eye Blind

@haleyrichardson8818

3 жыл бұрын

Third Eye Blind are one of my ultimate favourite bands 💗💗💗

@jimmysp4des229

2 жыл бұрын

I know this is late, but 3rd eye blind are one of my favorite bands till this day!

You need to write a book. You have such AWESOME stories. Or put out a DVD with some of your stories. I'd buy it!! I love listening to you and I'm sure other people would love this as well!!

Respect for mentioning telecommunications act of 1996

@hedge685

3 жыл бұрын

The ripples of that legislation still move through society to this day.

311 never stopped. They've been churning out great albums all along. Sure, they aren't mainstream anymore, but you could probably count on one hand the bands from that era that still are...

@maness2112

3 жыл бұрын

Soundsytem is one of my goats.

@EDKsurly

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. 8 stopped listening to 311 for about 10 years. Started listening again, I missed some good albums

@ricardocoelho1169

3 жыл бұрын

The Alternative Rock radios are always playing their new material.

Love all these bands from 90's. Listen to them all still. Pearl jam, AIC, Soundgarden, Foo fighters, Incubus, RHCP, Smashing Pumpkins, RATM, Linkin Park......soooo many that I will continue to listen to as long as I'm alive ♥

@springer90

8 ай бұрын

All good except Linkin Park, you could of put 311 right there.

Throwing Cooper was such a good album

@Autotrope

3 жыл бұрын

The whole trilogy of mental jewelry, throwing copper, secret samadhi were all excellent

Worth noting the relationship between Blur and Gorillaz here.

@Superfly1503

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was thinking the same thing.

@jalrebass

3 жыл бұрын

I remember when the Clint Eastwood single came out and everyone was raving about the band and how mysterious they were; "Ooh, no one knows who's in the band!" and I was sitting there at 16 as a kid that had lived in front of Mtv since the mid-90's going "There's no way that's not Damon from Blur." I'm not a huge fan of Gorillaz past their first album but that is a great record.

@pyenapple

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah he’s really ignoring that bands are like countries: the names and borders and makeup of the citizenry changes over time. The members of blur are massively popular now more than ever.

@truelovewontwait

3 жыл бұрын

Nah Think Tank was brilliant. And massive. Maybe outside of US. Yeah I guess that's why.

@Perezawer

3 жыл бұрын

I enter in the comment section to write the same. Think tank was big at least in europe

I remember when the telecommunications act passed. It effectively killed radio with personality and character, and dispensed with whatever airs and aspirations to artistic and aesthetic credibility radio had left. Streaming finished the job. I worked at a rock station and an "alternative" rock station from 1996-2000. Got out just in time...

@dirtydave2691

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly the playlist today is so narrow its sad. The DJ's cannot simply play what they want anymore. It's the same old 90's hit tunes with an occasional new band. It killed not only rock radio but college radio too. College stations used to be THE place to hear alternative bands. A few years ago one of our local DJ's was fired for sneaking in a Motor Head song.

@thephoenixhasflown

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah the telecommunications act passed and a lot of the classic rockers at the time in my area suddenly started playing around the dial by The kinks.

@thephoenixhasflown

3 жыл бұрын

Now it's a voice that degrades the radio station and an MP3 CD's worth of music maybe too if you're lucky and a bunch of DJs that sound like they could be literally anywhere else on the planet having a better time there are certain exceptions but not many.

@allenschmitz9644

3 жыл бұрын

Yep by the mid 90's radio stations were going broke.

@glennpagemusic

3 жыл бұрын

Luke The alternative station I worked out was independently owned, one of the first and most respected alternative stations in the country. We were one of the last hold outs as far as letting the DJs have a semblance of personality and having a say in their own programming. Eventually, like so many, we were bought out (in 2000!) by a bigger entity, and the homogenization and bastardization of the station began in earnest. Now the frequency is a country station, I think...

Damon Albarn of Blur went on to arguably greater success in the 2Ks with Gorillaz.

@theconversation9103

3 жыл бұрын

His solo album is a stunner

@spempo

3 жыл бұрын

@@theconversation9103 gorillaz bas better than his solo album tbh

The strokes man!!! Give em a go Rick. Never heard you mention them. I feel like they had a hand in making some 90’s band sound somewhat redundant. Did for me anyway.

@incamera1457

3 жыл бұрын

I have not managed to listen through the debut album yet. No interest in them.

@Zooropa_Station

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't mention the garage rock scene here. That and pop punk becoming popular had just as much if not more to do with '90s alt rock bands becoming yesterday's news than nu-metal. Sure, a lot of the people who would be listening to thrash or heavy grunge moved on to nu-metal, but the average rock fans and college/high school students went for the more melodic and radio friendly stuff like Blink-182, The Killers, etc...

@SonofSethoitae

3 жыл бұрын

@@incamera1457 Yeah, "Is This It" does nothing for me either, beyond a couple tracks. I found "Room On Fire" a little better

@AmolAmrit

2 жыл бұрын

@@SonofSethoitae Their new album is just the best work they have ever done for me

I wouldn't have put 311 on that list. They had multiple albums after 2000, that generated quite a bit of success for the band. One of the biggest hits they've ever had is Love Song. And that was definitely in the early to mid-2000s.

@capekilla2298

3 жыл бұрын

And a huge following including myself and friends. They put on an awesome show, we've seen them every summer since '05.

@standardofexcellence

3 жыл бұрын

And love song was a cure cover

@standardofexcellence

3 жыл бұрын

I like it better than the cure for that track though, amber is fantastic

@mc8842

3 жыл бұрын

Was going to say the same thing, they had a singular sound and not coincidentally a large cult to fall back on. A lot of these other bands just rode the zeitgeist into oblivion. Plus, From Chaos (2001) is their best record.

@joemuscarella2986

3 жыл бұрын

Amber was gigantic too in 2001 ... I disagreed with Rick on this one , Creed survived and 311 didn't ummmm!!?

Surprised you didn't mention the affects of Napster and how that completely changed the game in the music industry. You had unsigned bands such as Dispatch with a huge following just from file sharing.

@SadAce21

3 жыл бұрын

I think you are completely discounting how the Napster/file sharing era shaped what was considered a success in this period. In many cases these bands stopped selling albums because their listeners a few years older now maybe had some disposable income to have their own computers and were taking their new albums for free via file sharing... thus the sales fell off. Doesn’t necessarily mean the people abandoned listening to them... and what happens, companies see less sales from those 90s bands, and thus marketing for bands big in previous years is lessened or abandoned because they aren’t selling. Plus these bands that “survived” your curse many did so by being creative, in lots of different ways. Pearl Jam toured massively and made all those shows available for purchase... essentially making massive legal bootleg catalogs. Radiohead went multimedia with websites, animation, video “blips” and interactive things to draw upon obsessive fandom. Then later Radiohead even went down the you name your price ans download the album directly from them method. Beck kept going and being completely original by essentially shifting genres every release. Plus the ones that survived were really the Biggest ones. Nirvana ended but Grohl got Foo Fighters going at the right time to blow up right before the Napster thing happened. Other bands that kept going with bigger successes, RHCP, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Soundgarden(Chris Cornell), and to some extent Smashing Pumpkins, Weezer, Green Day...these were really the biggest bands. They all had their bumps, solo career spots, down periods, etc, but they were big enough to weather that storm and adapt. Plus a last thought. A lot of bands went away, because as we got into the later 90s and early 2000s... a lot of these people died. Drugs, suicides, etc... we’ve lost soooo many of the best musicians and icons of the 90s rock music scene now, it’s so sad. And even the ones that didn’t pass away, drug use affected so many. Crazy who we lost from that era...Scott Weiland, Chris Cornell, Lane Staley and Mike Starr, Kurt Cobain, Shannon Hoon, Jeff Buckley, Delores O’Riordan, MCA, etc.

@GregoryStephenSchumacher

3 жыл бұрын

Yep and Napster was happening before Y2K in the late 90's it was beginning to gear up more and more. Huge impact on the industry. And lets face it, it was almost like cosmic payback to an industry that fucked everyone from the artist to the fans.

@thesuncollective1475

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah my band was one of the first to get an MP3 deal sanctions by MCPS..It killed music..Music its getting homogenous again...another revolution will happen just a matter o time

@myopicautisticmetal9035

3 жыл бұрын

I used Napster to find music that was no longer in print, only, but I am a musician so I understood the value of support by fans. Thankfully I gave it up when they re-released most of the music I wanted to buy. Like Exodus Fabulous Disaster, 80's Coroner or Cynic albums.

@daysatomic

3 жыл бұрын

exactly.

Thanks for the kind words for Counting Crows, one of my favorite bands ever.

Wow! what a list of great bands that didn't make it through. You little named all of my favorite bands. They may not have made it through in the commercial sense, but I got all of those bands locked in on my play list! Great Video Rick. Interesting observation. Love the channel!

You forgot Beck!!! He survived Y2K! His style is so eclectic and ever-evolving that you could do a whole episode on the unsung (until lately) musical genius and influencer.

@frankfionn

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, and also bands like Dinosaur JR, Stephen Malkmus of Pavement, Yo la Tengo, Wilco or Bonnie Prince Billy survived.

@Xcalator35

3 жыл бұрын

@@frankfionn You bet! The fact they didn't sell absurd ammounts of records doesn't preclud their cultural influence.

@sparkeyjones6261

3 жыл бұрын

Does he still exist? I haven't heard his name in years.

@ToDoPOView

3 жыл бұрын

@@sparkeyjones6261 His 13th album, Colors, won Best Alt Music Album and Best Engineered Album at the 2019 Grammys. He also won Album of the Year in 2015 for Morning Phase (Remember when Kayne disapproved because Beyoncé lost again?)

@ToDoPOView

3 жыл бұрын

@@SilentServiceCodeI think we can agree that he certainly is one of a kind and underappreciated in the mainstream... and still very prolific.

i really liked that Days of the New album... Touch Peel & Stand, Shelf in the Room, Downtown... great 90's acoustic songs

@dynamicphotography_

3 жыл бұрын

I went through all their tracks yesterday. So good........

@fka322

3 жыл бұрын

Travis Meeks was a really good songwriter. In his case, he self-destructed because of drugs.

@aldenwilkins

3 жыл бұрын

I also love the first Tantric album, the other guys w/out Travis I think.

@Cuzjudd

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't find anything on the album even half as good as TP&S

The hair metal bands "became kind of cheesy." Now that's quite an understatment!

@ttllymxico

4 ай бұрын

lol

Very informative! I really enjoyed the video, Rick!

What happened to Blur? Gorillaz happened.

@originalindiechick7999

3 жыл бұрын

Just about to say this myself! Love that band!

You forgot a big one: The Smashing Pumpkins! Pretty much the biggest band in the world in the mid 90s.. Sure they kept going after 2000 but never really hit those heights again

@crisrose521

3 жыл бұрын

Rick forgets a lot of bands and musicians in his videos and so far has never responded to my comments regarding this issue . Maybe he’s too busy for input ? Johnny G

@MrFranganito

3 жыл бұрын

@@crisrose521 well....he just mentions a few names as examples, he cannot list all the bands and artists.

@bassdrummer9849

3 жыл бұрын

Good example. Outside the grunge scene/bands they were really one of the biggest alternative acts of the 90's

@tranceporter7426

3 жыл бұрын

Couldn’t agree more, at the time Billy reminded me at of Uncle Fester

@thestuffmikedoes2309

3 жыл бұрын

The only reason I don’t think this is a great example is because Billy Corgan remained somewhat relevant with a couple other projects, and even had some moderate hits with Zwan. Nothing Pumpkins level but he still had some radio hits in the early-mid 2000s.

90's were a golden age. The era of the cubicle movie, things were just to calm so we injected turmoil into our media to shake things up.

@richardg5301

3 жыл бұрын

There's always people that were not paying attention to world events that believe that a certain time in their life was calm with no problems. I was a kid in the 90s, so yeah it was a pretty carefree time for me. But read some history books sometime man. Seriously.

@graze105

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone who grows up in a particular decade thinks that it was the golden age. Tail-end boomers, like me, think that about the 70's, Gen-xers think that about the 80's. Truth is that every decade had a bunch of great music that came out of it. Also, every decade had it's turmoil but the younger you were during that particular time, the less you were aware of or cared about it.

@ytubeanon

3 жыл бұрын

the 1990's was the greatest decade in Western civilization, due to a particular combination of things that'll never happen again - the calm was true... alternative bands, like the Pixies for example, who also had slow songs, often injected a kind of adrenaline, joie de vivre, agitation mixed with crafted Beatles pop to instill a sense of excitement because real life was so slow, boring, safe, kinda lame and we were desperate every day to find an enjoyable way to get through the plodding, slow-ticking, second hand of the almighty clock - kids will never know what it was like with the modern 24/7 internet

@Matanumi

2 жыл бұрын

@@graze105 this more then anything. You know its true because now your starting to see this to the 00s. Now granted 00s were excellent for video games... but homeland security never existed before 01-03 and times were high tension then, there's always high tension times

Excellent and very interresting video! Great angles! Thx!

Oasis were ignored by rock radio too because they didn't fit in with that new aggressive format. Meanwhile, they were huge in England. "Wonderwall" was all I ever heard from them until 2002, when a friend of mine introduced me to the album "What's the Story(Morning Glory)". I later discovered their first album "Definitely Maybe". Both of these albums are masterpieces that were completely ignored by the radio stations I listened to in the 90s.

@sivaones

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely not ignored in NYC.

@andylong7759

3 жыл бұрын

@@sivaones Cool. In the midwest it was.

@michael_dv9225

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed that definitely maybe was ignored stateside. But in 🇬🇧....well, it was like the Beatles.

@skepticalfaith5201

3 жыл бұрын

@@michael_dv9225 I always heard them mentioned in that vein (the next Beatles), but all I ever heard was Wonderwall.

@ChainNonSmoker

3 жыл бұрын

OK now, u lot made me curious. Were(/are) americans somehow unable to look for music that's not played on radio or s music channel on TV? Usually when I hear "good rap" of something I'll look for it and find out myself and don't expect people bringing it to my front door(or my favourite tv/ radio channel). Of course, today it is much easier to discover stuff, now that there's spotify and youtube etc.. but seriously it's not like in 90's bands generally released just one song either, and then u couldn't get to hear their albums and other stuff as well if you wanted. Or was it ?

The growing monopolies of the world have done us no favors..

@cobyg419

3 жыл бұрын

Right! The "rock" station in my town plays the same songs every day including songs like, 'Hit me with your best shot' and other old stuff that has been played out years ago, and there are two classic rock stations. What a sad joke that is being played on us. There is absolutely no creativity, ingenuity, or real DJ'ing going on in this corporate rock environment.

@ericroll

3 жыл бұрын

@@cobyg419 I wrote to my local Classic Rock program manager complaining specifically about "Hit Me With Your Best Shot". I wrote that Pat has 50 other great songs! Surprisingly, the program manager actually wrote back and was very sympathetic to my comments. But he said, even as "program manager" he had ZERO input on what songs were allowed on that radio station. Very frustrating.

@IrrelevantPlease

3 жыл бұрын

@@ericroll well of course not, the choice of music that gets played to brainwash the masses comes from the Illuminati itself. Very high up.

Honestly, I think the post 9/11 sentiment in America drove a lot of the popularity of aggressive music. When you look at it, the music trends from 2000 weighed against 2002 are incredibly stark. Crisis did for metal what the shadow of Cobain's death did for Pop Rock in the mid-90's; it caused sensibility to flee to the "Alternative".

@REAVER781

3 жыл бұрын

I'm waiting for the crisis of 2020 to bring the masses back to metal again. Probably never happen though, the youth these days are fucking stupid, I'm not talking about a generational observation, they are legitimately fucking stupid. Case and point; the Spotify Top 10 video Rick did in Sept, Cardi B was #1. for fuck sake. That's who this generation has chosen to be their leader? Cardi FUCKING B.

@SonofSethoitae

3 жыл бұрын

@@REAVER781 Yeah, unlike the last one, who looked up to Fred Durst. Come off it

Awesome breakdown as always! Keep killin it!

The "post grunge" mid90s of the listed bands in the vid were a more accessible, sunnier side of alternative rock, with the ska pop punk of No Doubt skating into things too. I guess they were marketed as more radio friendly, video appealing than Seattle's first half of the decade dominance. They had a shinier, happier image and a more marketable sound that filled the post Nirvana void, and the younger crowd lapped it up. It carves an interesting bridge in the mid90s, that then leads to Korn and nuMetal in general. This mid90s scene devides the decade in half in a way. You get Seattle, and Big Stadium rock of GnR, and in hip hop:Gangsta Rap, Boyz 2 Men RNB. Then, after the "mid90s Bridge", its still the angst that grunge got going, only boiled and burrowed further down with NuMetal's downtuned chug. Throw in more parental targeted angst in there, too. Goth and shock rock was industrialized with Marlyn Manson antics. Pop meanwhile, was the resurgence of boy bands and Britney. The excess of 80s indulgences was back in a way all the same, through the frat boy humour of Limp Bizkit and nuMetal's leanings back to rock an' roll lifestyles. This is a brilliant discussion, worthy of many more time to listen to RIck's excellent analysis. The 90s were a fascinating decade in its "Two Halves" like that.

@jmwicked

3 жыл бұрын

all history is made of what I'd call "expansion-contraction" cycles... or at least on thing then its opposite. Happy fast music vs. slower and depressing and so on. Music can't escape this kind of cycling. Every new generation has to take a position that feels opposite to the previous generation... kind of a way to get a cultural identity I guess

"They wished they were like Korn...I wished they were like Korn." OMG just died.

Hey Rick, why don't you ever talk about Blind Melon? They were a stand out guitar band with a great singer and very interesting in the way the 2 guitars interweaved their parts together over the progression. I think Soup is one of the most underrated albums of the 90's.

@edgytypebeat781

Жыл бұрын

Blind Melon is one of those short lived grunge bands who eventually died due to the grunge frontman curse.

Dude......your channel is my new favorite TV show. I could probably watch every video. Good stuff sir.

I think the last true "popular" rock movement that happened was in the early 2000s, with bands like the White Stripes, the Killers, the Strokes, Franz Ferdinand...groove driven retro rock. After that, rock officially died as a "popular" music genre, there hasn't been a pop rock movement since.

@PortervilleMusicSociety

3 жыл бұрын

The black keys? Not to forget people like Manson, Reznor, Morrissey, Nick Cave, spiritualized, pulp/Jarvis projects, daft punk, refused...the resurrection of electronic music and shoegaze... lots of artists and bands work hard to keep it up for decade after decade

@PortervilleMusicSociety

3 жыл бұрын

You’re 100 percent right. The hives still exist, tame impala kinda rocked a little but now it seems focus is on shoegaze pop or droney stuff

@dustinjones1907

3 жыл бұрын

I mostly agree, but I'd say that the emo/screamo movement in the 04-07 range is probably the very last hurrah of rock music (if you consider it a subset of rock, which I do... Loosely.) Now you have bands like imagine dragons claiming to be rock when it's all electronic sounds and no real lyrical substance.

@adamw13

3 жыл бұрын

@@dustinjones1907 the thing is though, that good rock is out there. The programmers just refuse to play it and all play this non-rock baloney they're trying to pass on to alt rock channels. It's maddening. But I agree that there was lots of good rock still happening on radio for much longer than Rick is suggesting here.

@aldeayeah

3 жыл бұрын

Muse were pretty big and pretty rocking for the whole 00s

Anyone remember when Alternative used to be called “College Rock”? Haha. Always thought that was an apt description at the time.

@Darm0k

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, there's an alternative rock channel on SiriusXM called "XMU".

@damiankirkwood7924

3 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@pyenapple

3 жыл бұрын

College rock is up til 1986 or so.

Thanks for doing what you do 🖤🤙🎸🎶 really good learning experience!

Rick seems to have a massive blind spot for Indie Rock and Post-Punk Revival/Garage Rock. If you ask me, these are the albums that killed 90’s Alternative: 1) The Strokes “Is This It” 2) The White Stripes “White Blood Cells” 3) Interpol “Turn On The Bright Lights” 4) The Killers “Hot Fuss” 5) Spoon “Girls Can Tell” 6) Death Cab For Cutie “Transalanticism” 7) The Shins “Oh, Inverted World” 8) Yeah Yeah Yeahs “Fever To Tell” and there were suddenly dozens of other bands that solidified the scene more toward ‘04 and ‘05. (Franz Ferdinand, Arctic Monkeys, Arcade Fire, The National, Vampire Weekend) Alternative radio got even further splintered by the emo bands that got big in the early 2000s as well as Lo-Fi Punk and Punk Pop. The rise of music blogging made everything exponentially more niche, whereas guitar driven music in the 80’s and 90’s was almost exclusively hair bands and grunge. Broadband Internet became available to way more people and people were eager to explore different sounds.

@dahliafiend

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah he does. This video has an interesting hypothesis but it’s not really what happened. Basically the bands you mentioned above are just all around better than what clear channel radio was shilling. I mean were people actually sad to see Bush or Sugar Ray fade into obscurity?

@jenna_gia

2 жыл бұрын

yeah i thought that as well in his "what killed rock?" video, he completely misses the post-punk revival movement which just severely undercut his thesis. how can you talk about the evolution of rock music and not mention the strokes? sort of feels like all his thoughts on the subject are a result of him having stopped listening to contemporary rock right around the turn of the century.

@spontaneousexpress

6 ай бұрын

Rick was simply all over the place with his timeline and analysis. He skipped several bands. Also forgot some of the bands that started in the late 90s and pretty much led the charts thru the early/ mid 2000s.....these bands particularly appealed to the younger crowd. It simply shows how dated his mindset is on what he considers rock music.

"The music of rebellion makes you want to rage. But It's made by millionaires who are nearly twice your age". -Steve Wilson

@kahlenbrown2278

3 жыл бұрын

It would be cool to hear Rick talk about porcupine tree

@kaganozdemir4332

3 жыл бұрын

And then he went to cover Taylor Swift

@grahamman80

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaganozdemir4332 Damn. Didn’t believe it until I read it myself.

great video Rick! I loved the late 90's of rock that seemed to disappear overnight with the new millenium

@heatheraucoin5832

3 жыл бұрын

After he mentioned 311 being a band that didn’t do much after the 2000’s, I stopped listening, 311 DAY STARTED THE YEAR 2000. In 2020, they were supposed to go on a 50 state tour for being a band for 30 years. I went to 2 of their concerts and the last time they had a normal concert ( Covid-19)was 3/11/20 in Las Vegas and then in November 2020 they did a drive in concert. And in 2019, they had a movie in selected theaters. They also have comic books, their own cruise and a faithful fan base. 311 FOREVER .... Nick Hexum is still sexy

@oliviapixel5032

3 жыл бұрын

Its comming back with machine gun Kelly, jinjer, Slipknot, Lil huddy... And a lot more

@KickflipGnasty

3 жыл бұрын

@@heatheraucoin5832 Well clearly you missed his whole point.

@trailerwager8850

3 жыл бұрын

If we could settle in enough and appreciate what we have we'd be straight. We'd have more songs like 'Closing Time'.There's too much in our society that makes us hyped to something small and sleak and synthetic. Makes us precious, man

@trailerwager8850

3 жыл бұрын

@@heatheraucoin5832 Rick spoke too soon on 311. Thing is, Smashing Pumpkins were huge throughout the 90s. Had no real reason to cash in on Dec. 2000. These big bands had the power to have defined the next decade.

I really love shinedown, don’t know what all you did/helped on that one album but it’s a great album lots of hits, I have been a drummer for going on 21-22 years just found your channel few days ago love it keep it great work.

This was fascinating. Loved this video Rick.

Sorry, I couldn’t pay attention to the message because you weren’t wearing a black T-shirt. LOL

@mitchellweiner4990

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. 😄

@Fektthis

3 жыл бұрын

But he does have on a black t-shirt...

@avenue6.554

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fektthis I had to go back to check. I was distracted by all the other "bright" colours! LOL

@dangrel

3 жыл бұрын

lmaoooo

@scottbaines4747

3 жыл бұрын

The shirt and pants are disturbingly well-matched.

"Third Eye Blind" was one of my favorite 90'd bands. They had the catchiest damn songs.

@IronMaidenDoD

3 жыл бұрын

Theres a commercial on the radio with their song remixed

@kanesanders6669

3 жыл бұрын

Semi-Charmed Life is a roller-coaster and monster of a song.

@slash196

3 жыл бұрын

Their third record is GREAT, check it out.

@hillbillyheadspace

3 жыл бұрын

Their debut album was the first CD I bought with my own money... Still one of my favorites to this day

@blue23song31

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao

Also NIN survived it, "With Teeth" did pretty well in the UK.

Thank you so much for making a video on this topic.. As someone who was an active alternative rock radio listener in New York, I listened to 92.3 Krock and 106.3 WHTG in new Jersey. K-rock cut playing more of the pop/alternstive (bands like Lemonhads,Toad,Gin Blossoms,Collective Soul) and started mixing more of the heavy stuff aka Nu-Metal.. WHTG were more loyal to the 90s alternstive sound and kept playing new music from bands like Sponge, Shades Apart, Stir, Dovetail Joint etc.. But the main problem here was there were more alt rock stations that did the Nu-Metal and very few that stayed true to the alternative sound. I really wish more stations stayed loyal to the 90s alternative because more people today (including myself) miss those stations way more than the numetal/raprock ones. Also, there were so many great late 90s alternative songs from bands like Stir, Dovetail Joint, Splender, Poe, Oleander, Tonic, Ben Lee, Bt featuring the lead singer from Soul Coughing, Joydrop... Till this very day I wish I had saved the WHTG daily playlists they had on their website so I could remember some of those amazing and rare songs that today won't even get played on 90s alt radio because so few stations were playing this stuff anymore since the rap/rock stations took over.... And then the worst thing about this was after the numetal/raprock thing died out after a couple years we never got our alternative stations back and THAT right there is why alternative rock music is in such bad shape these days on Fm radio... I could really go on and on for hours chatting and talking about this topic.. music really means a lot to me and this type of music is what I grew up on and love. P.S. If there is anyone reading this and grew up listening to more of the pop/rock/alternstive stations in the late 90s or actually did listen to whtg 106.3, do you remember any of those bands/songs during this time?? Do you have any of those daily playlists saved?? I would love to rememeber anything that I have forgotten over the years. Thanks for reading :)

Just for the sake of conversation, 311 is still alive and doing relatively well by carving out their own niche and by doing it all themselves. kinda like dave matthews band they have a loyal following and 311 releases very listenable albums every few years.

It makes me think of the story of how the Swedish band Roxette broke into USA. The band was a succes in Sweden, but the record company didn't have faith in the for a big promotion in USA. Then one day an american kid, who had been an exchange student in Sweden, insisted that the local radio played the record he had brought all the way from Sweden. When the radio played it, the lines blew up. Everybody wanted to hear that track again and so Roxette's international career was born. Think about it, one kid and one radio station. This is the sort of thing that doesn't happen today.

@javiercisternasnajle

3 жыл бұрын

Didn't know there were Swedish musicians

@darrellhart8129

3 жыл бұрын

Kind of similar to Shaggy 'Say It Wasn't You.' There's a cool video on it. Basically one DJ in Hawaii started playing it and it took off.

@fribersson

3 жыл бұрын

Guess you’re familiar with the Rodriguez / Sugarman story? If not, you’ll love it.

@dougrobinson8602

3 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy Roxette's music. Kind of a guilty pleasure for me. The first few times I heard them, I thought it was Heart, just a similar vibe.

@blue23song31

3 жыл бұрын

Roxette..lmao

This happened to 90's hip-hop too. Weird

@soulphoenix13

3 жыл бұрын

True, but don't forget that Tupac died in 96 and then Biggie Smalls in 97. Their murders had a HEAVY effect on Hip Hop. Snoop was still there with the G-funk sound to close out the decade, but into the 2000's DMX (God rest his soul) Jay Z and 50 Cent got huge. The rest of the Hip Hop world got more commercial and therefore softer and easier to control by the big labels. (That's I've still a loyal Tech N9ne listener because he's so different). Now, there's an alternative sound to Rap/Hip Hop and trap beats with TOO MANY artists using "Lil" as part of their stupid stage names. Rapping has gotten so cheapened it has become cliché and stereotyped. . .Ask a majority of Black listeners who are true Hip Hop heads which artists they listen to; and I guarantee it's NOT any of the "top rappers." The latter is much like how true metalheads or rock fans won't be naming Pop Rock acts as artists on their playlists. Now even rappers are using autotune today. WTF? I'm a metalhead at heart (and I mean metal mostly being European, power, progressive metal that have great vocalists; not just aggressive vocals all the time); however, I listen to everything and keep an open mind. BUT DAMN. The music today is so plastic and devoid of integrity that it is nauseating. I wish the Telecommunications Act could be destroyed/dismantled and we could finally give the creative control back to the artists instead of hearing the same damn chords and sounds over and over again. I'm fine doing MY own research and listening to a ton of bands and artists of all genres not on the Top 40, but our younger generation deserves more creativity and that magic spark that died after the late 90's (and the wonderful diversity from all genres). I'm an adult and I enjoy researching and discovering new artists all the time because I love music so much, but teens don't have the time for the latter and so they just consume the BS that's in their face mainly through streaming songs which are ultimately manipulated through major platforms' algorithms. I don't know about you, but I'll keep an open mind and will keep listening to new music from the US and Europe in all genres but my heart will always be "Down in a Hole" under a "Black Hole Sun" swaying to the "Symphony of Destruction" as I run away from the "Master of Puppets" spreading "California Love" and "Teen Spirit." I'll always understand that "Mo Money is Mo problems" and in the music world the problems with more money have been manifested and materialized by the monopoly of the Big 6 record labels. Keep your eyes and head up, but the true spirit and love of music as an artform will always live down in the underground and mostly OFF the Top 40 lists. - Wishing you peace from the backroads and the underground of the music world

@gx1tar1er

3 жыл бұрын

@@soulphoenix13 Was Dr. Dre's 2001 the last album that has gangsta rap sound around that time? I mean like in the early 2000's, gangsta rap was pretty much dead in mainstream.

Sitting on the back of a warship in the middle of the ocean in a thunderstorm at 3am, alone, listening to “Lightning Crashes” is a core memory for me.

311 needs to be on the second list. They’re still going strong and are always in the top ten charts when releasing albums. Maybe not big label big but definitely independent success for sure.

@mgpalardy

3 жыл бұрын

@@KickflipGnasty 311's cover of Lovesong in 2004 is arguably their biggest hit.

@nickwallette6201

3 жыл бұрын

Used to be one of my favorite bands. I couldn't tell you one thing they've done since the early 2000s though.

@christheghostwriter

3 жыл бұрын

@@KickflipGnasty 311 had a solid fanbase right up until the pandemic. My ex was into them, and I went to a show of theirs about a decade ago. The place was full (about 16k in a venue with 20k capacity) and everyone around me was singing along with every song. I don't care for them, but I see they have maintained a solid touring schedule year after year. If this video is about a list of bands that disappeared, then 311 doesn't belong in it. They might not be on the radio anymore, but who tf listens to the radio anyway? 311 is not my thing, but there are a lot of people who seem to love them. I respect their whole trip, and their focus on live shows. it's more like the Dead or Phish than it is like a typical album/tour rock band.

@christheghostwriter

3 жыл бұрын

@@KickflipGnasty focus: the topic of this video is 90s bands that disappeared in the aughts. 311 is not one of those bands. They still fill venues and they still sell records. The same can't be said for the bands Beato discusses in this video

@christheghostwriter

3 жыл бұрын

@@KickflipGnasty It's not semantics, and you're missing the point. The topic is "the death of 90's Alternative Bands like Live, Cake, Tonic, etc." Those are bands that basically don't exist anymore. 311 doesn't belong on that list. Period.

Amber was 311's biggest song, 2001. Love Song was pretty big as well, 2004.

@paulrose765

3 жыл бұрын

I love 311's old stuff, but some of my favorite songs they did came after 2000.

@12012channel

3 жыл бұрын

I thought From Chaos was a fairly big and popular album ?

@fka322

3 жыл бұрын

I guess Rick was thinking from the perspective that their commercial peak was in the mid 90s. The self-titled album is their biggest selling album and Down was all over the place on MTV and radio.

@richardhenry5858

3 жыл бұрын

Those songs suck. 311 should be called 311 and 311(2) because 2000s 311, 311(2), is different from 90s 311.

@flyswatter45

2 ай бұрын

​@@richardhenry585890's 311 was something special.

This was great, Rick. Something I always thought about, too. Would love to see you extend that further do a video on how rock is basically dead. How it dominated for decades (commercially) and now it’s nothing. That’s a topic I think about all the time and don’t understand why it happened.

Great video as always Rick.

It wasn't so much that 'the people' wanted more nu-metal, but the new gatekeepers of radio decided that this was what 'the people' were going to have. 'Let them eat bizkit!'

As a 2002 born, I can’t speak on this lol, but I do think the year 2000 and on, I noticed a lot less alternative music on the charts. A lot of which my dad introduced me to, he’s around the same age as Rick.

I really waited for you to mention SOAD. Great video by the way!

"Clear Channel plotting the death of art"... I think I put that in lyrics in a song maybe 10 years ao :P

Deftones- did not disappear !! Don’t forget.

@darkmanj666

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda wish they would

@dreadtheomega

3 жыл бұрын

If anything Deftones push back against the Nu-Metal title, especially since they accidentally created the genre itself lol. But yeah Deftones still good, if anything they got better.

@Sqeedledee

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah i kept thinking Deftones the whole time watching this video.

@owenphillips6421

3 жыл бұрын

As far as I know, they're the only one that really transcended the genre. They sort of escaped. All the others died out or just kept doing the same thing (Korn)

@TheRealHammer

3 жыл бұрын

Deftones survived because their music didn't make you want to turn your ball-cap backwards while you chugged a Monster energy drink with your "bros".

2:22 Blur was FAR more successful in their home country than they ever were here in the US. Damon Albarn formed the Gorillaz in 2001 and has had HUGE success with them for the 20 years since. I would say they don't necessarily fit in that category. Also, 311's biggest hits were after the year 2000, though I would agree their best stuff was before 2000.

@andoorss

3 жыл бұрын

311’s biggest hits were before 2000. Amber was the only huge hit post 2000. All mixed up, beautiful disaster, and down are all pre 2000

@betweenthewars4054

3 жыл бұрын

Right? Blur was way more modern Jam-esque than the hard, alternative rock hit for which they were known in the States. Too bad. I’ll still take Oasis, in the big picture, but Blur was freaking awesome.

@simonr5171

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I agree with your comments on Blur. They do not fit on the list at all.

@lenuhc

3 жыл бұрын

Funny enough when I moved back to Mexico in 2004, I found out about blur, cake, oasis etc. Apparently the US was trying to build a bubble when it came to artists from the US vs UK. Those bands were never in the rock stations where I lived.

@mowogfpv7582

3 жыл бұрын

Conversely most of these "y2k curse" bands never did anything in the UK in the first place. Which is an interesting observation. This video really brings home how different the UK was back then. Was there ever a time when rock music in the US and UK was as far apart as the 90s?

SO spot on. @1:51 that list of great bands who used to roll through Memphis almost brought me to tears. Those great times were indeed before TicketMaster/LiveNation/Auto-tune and then Clear Channel communications (now iHeartMedia) consumed our last remaining independent radios stations AND primary local TV channels AND the local newspaper here in MEM. That was indeed 'The Day the Music Died' and really any independent thought whatsoever.

as soon as "Lightning Crashes" started I instantly recognized it as a song I am DEEPLY familiar with, which blows my mind because "Live," "Throwing Copper," and even the name "Lightning Crashes" mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to me

311 kept going hard. Cruises, festivals, 311 DAY and some real banger albums

@mct18

3 жыл бұрын

Yah, I'll be Here Awhile and Amber were released post Y2k and taking a brief look at the album charts, it looks like every album in the 00's cracked the top 10

What I find interesting: almost every band being put as an example for bands that didn‘t make it (except Bush, Alanis Morissette and Blur) weren‘t present on MTV Europe and were mostly unknown here. (I only know most of them because MTV aired the US Top 20 once per week, which I found very intersting and liked to watch.) Speaking of Germany, you had to order records from bands like Goo Goo Dolls or Mighty Bosstones in shops, they usually weren‘t on display in the shelves. Whereas bands that, according to your list, stayed successful, were, I wouldn‘t say „big“, but known in Europe. Green Day and Blink 182 were big. They had several singles being played on heavy rotation in commercial radio, Weezer and Creed at least were One Hit Wonders (With Arms Wide Open, Buddy Holly) But all of these mentioned examples were bands that Alternative music magazines would do stories about - and if you stayed up long enough, you could even see their videos on MTV‘s Headbangers Ball or Alternative Nation (Tool, Incubus, Korn)

@morricane5087

3 жыл бұрын

3 Doors Down also had a #1 in our country post-2000 (but then, I think they are a 2000s band anyway)! :D But if a rock song somehow made it in the singles-charts post-2000 in Germany, it was almost always the ballad...(well, okay, HIM's Join Me and that one Nickelback song weren't ballads, but otherwise?).

@ValleyOfWillows

3 жыл бұрын

All the more reason not to have our internet access taken away. Now we're finally able to get to know all those bands that would otherwise have been killed by mainstream media and large music producers. A whole new world went open when I got to know sites like Bandcamp, learned to appreciate so many more styles of music that I never thought I would have before.

Your analysis of the radio markets is great

Great overview, I love this! I'm still discovering 'new' music from this era through Pandora. I kept thinking I would hear you mention Linkin Park.

2:40 wow you mentioned DOTN, Travis Meeks is my favorite songwriter, guitar player and vocalist of all time it's really a shame he hasn't really been in good health the past few years... It's depressing but I still enjoy and love that guys music. And also most of the other bands you mentioned are just incredible, I really wish more bands like them were out there still making music.

@MorningThief_

3 жыл бұрын

was watching a Days video & at the comments, a friend of Travis (supposedly) last saw him in prison. from memory, it was the shaved-head guy in the Touch Peel & Stand video. i can't find the comment anymore -- perhaps it got deleted. he's apparently doing better now, still playing music, but not recording. i hope it's true & i hope he's well.

@Dexiray

3 жыл бұрын

I know right? It's really a shame DOTN is not mentioned enough when talking about grunge, I absolutely love them.

@markbrown2450

3 жыл бұрын

I would definitely consider DOTN a post-grunge band. They just don't have the same flavor as the base grunge bands. Don't take this as me hating on them. I saw them live before they broke up and was glad to hear the rest of the band continue.

@Gatchamon

3 жыл бұрын

@@markbrown2450 100% correct, they would've been post grunge. Their debut was the same year as Creed's, also post grunge.

@juleswinnfield9931

3 жыл бұрын

"good health" AKA drug addiction/criminal behaviour...

Corporate consolidation certainly led to fewer options and less risk taking, but what made it truly more devastating (culturally) was the novel Mp3 virus, from which we have not and may never recover. The best songs of the last 20 years are sitting on hard drives, gathering pixel dust.

Love your videos!

This was very eye opening!

There was a lot of great alternative rock in the mid/late 90s (The Catherine Wheel, Curve, Eels, Hum, Built To Spill, Spiritualized, Superchunk, Supergrass) but, like you said, radio wouldn't play them. Our local alternative station seemed to play that terrible Metallica cover 'Turn The Page' every hour but ignored a lot of great music.

@PortervilleMusicSociety

3 жыл бұрын

Spiritualized is still around. Not to also forget people like Manson, Reznor, Morrissey, Nick Cave, daft punk, refused...the resurrection of electronic music and shoegaze... lots of artists and bands work hard to keep it up for decade after decade or creep for their fan base to exist again

@alltherebelsaredead7756

3 жыл бұрын

Only bands I remember from your list in the 90s are Eels, Supergrass and Hum. Hum was a one hit wonder. Hipster music.

@thackerc

3 жыл бұрын

@@alltherebelsaredead7756 That just shows your ignorance, both with respect to Hum and the others. Hum's Downward Is Heavenward has lots of great tunes (Ms Lazarus and Green To Me for example) as does You'd Prefer An Astronaut. And I'm just a casual fan of theirs.

@ledkicker2392

3 жыл бұрын

@@alltherebelsaredead7756 Built To Spill are great and they have inspired a lot of 2000's indie and alternative bands despite being quite in the shadows for the general audience.

@LaserLewDude

3 жыл бұрын

Check Hum's newest album. Best musical surprise drop of 2020.

You finally mentioned The Verve, probably my favourite band. What you missed in this analysis including them was that they broke up due to personal problems-namely, their wives not getting along if I remember correctly-rather than popularity issues; they were still popular in the United Kingdom after breaking up and later got a top spot at Glastonbury in 2008 during their brief reunion. That said, you should definitely do a video on one of their singles from _Urban Hymns_ or _A Northern Soul_ to dissect exactly what made them sound so good and unique.

@urbanhymns8880

3 жыл бұрын

Not wives- just Richard being a primadonna(and I love him and have seen him solo several times).

@reillywalker195

3 жыл бұрын

@@urbanhymns8880 I read an interview with Nick McCabe, and he didn't blame Richard for the breakup at all. In fact, he's open to a reunion.

@urbanhymns8880

3 жыл бұрын

@@reillywalker195 Richard wrote most of Urban Hymns, & has said it was going to be his solo album, but they ended up bringing the band back in to record parts, & he sounded pretty bitter that he wasn’t getting the proper credit for it in a video that I saw. I love Nick, but those songs are Richard’s, & he has shown he’s much more interested in his solo thing. Saw home with Liam solo and they both blew me away. Nick may be open to it, but that’s ‘cause he’s the scorned one

311 never disappeared. They still put out albums, and they still tour. They decided to do it for the music instead of the money.

@mctransportation9831

3 жыл бұрын

I felt like they exemplified the moral from The Emperor's New Clothes. People felt like it was cool to say they were into them, even though they didn't like them and never listened to them when they were by themselves.

@basedsouljah

3 жыл бұрын

311 is one of the best running bands to this day man. They are so awesome. Always had mad respect for them because man they play fields in Ohio just to have fun playing. I love that type of thing.

@seancollins9597

3 жыл бұрын

It is easy to, "do it for the music and not the money" when no one buys your music anymore.

@themadness1925

3 жыл бұрын

@@seancollins9597 actually, people still do buy their music, and still sellout venues. They made their decision when they were at the height of their popularity.

@mctransportation9831

3 жыл бұрын

@@basedsouljah glad you like them. Maybe I'm just projecting. There was a girl whose pants was trying to get into. She liked em and I was a total poser pretending to like them. Even saw em in concert. I saw AC/DC in the same arena with some buddies on the Ballbreaker tour and they blew the roof off the place.

So glad to hear Dada mentioned!! Favorite underrated band!