Nice at least some one got the bolls to say something about fat shark good the have to improve their googles seriusly

The real problem, beyond Fatshark having been trying to suicide itself through laziness for years, is that now the industry has to work together to come up with an open HD standard so we don't end up with an integrated locked up DJI system... Yes you, Fatshark, Orqa, TBS, Holybro, FrSky, ... you're all going to lose otherwise.

@mortache

5 жыл бұрын

I dont see this as a problem. You can just use DJI system like any other analog system. They even allow you to use betaflight osd, connect analog receiver to see analog feed, etc etc. Why would i need Fatshark's overpriced garbage?

@RR123

5 жыл бұрын

@@mortache You mean DJI now has a enabled support for the STANDARDS that are NTSC/PAL to ease the move from an open world to their closed protocols? And that's exactly my point, you don't need to buy overpriced Fatsharks cause everyone else supports those NTSC/PAL standards. Go buy Skyzone, Aomway, Orqa, Eachine, ... But show me a competitor to DJI that has a compatible receiver... I'm waiting.

@mortache

5 жыл бұрын

@@RR123 this is literally the first product of this type that actually works. Of course there is nothing like that. But is it overpriced? I don't really think so. And with digital, maybe there will be encryptions and proprietary systems that simply wasn't possible with analog. If fatshark could lock others out with proprietary cameras and vtx, they definitely would have. Lets see how long it takes for others to actually make something that works lol

@RR123

5 жыл бұрын

@@mortache I'm glad it got people thinking and that it proved it's possible. But you're not addressing any of my points. I didn't mention the price either, I think it's fair actually, but that's really not the issue I have. I've seen stupid standards wars and lock in in hardware and software for decades. We are here now because Betaflight is free software, like OpenTX, etc. Also, encryption would be nice, but by the Kerckhoffs's principle, it can't be proprietary, it has to be open, that's literally how modern cryptography works. And law wise, on these band, it's not going to be allowed in every country, sadly. Fatshark could try and lock everyone out and die a slow death. The only thing DJI has is a good tech and first mover advantage, but to be them we will need standards, that's literally how we got the internet, Linux, the web, etc.

@mortache

5 жыл бұрын

@@RR123 i know we need standardization but it won't be as easy with digital as it was with analog. Fatshark cannot lock others out now, but 5-6 years ago they could surely do that and then we would be flying fatshark systems because nobody until recently could match their top end products. Also look at KISS flight controllers and escs. Open source is nice but for things like hd video transmission i doubt how easy it would be for companies to lock others out. Even now, Frsky is doing encryption in their radio protocols to keep Jumper out. And 5.8ghz not being legal in countries doesnt change anything because thats what most fpv systems and a lot of wifi systems use.

True why is it so hard to update designs; Pawel try the sky zone 03 Oled that’ has better specs

@flighttherapybullisticfpv133

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Im going to upgrade from my sky02 V+ to the Sky03 Oled... modules just dont offer enough of an advantage for the price and i can always get a Dock-King because im probably going to be using a 2.4ghz module anyways...

If you go in the DVR menu, there is an option to set the goggles to auto record :)

Really looking at the SkyZone goggles with the better OLED screen

"Its really grinding my gears" fucking epic 😂😂😂

I was trying to set the time and date in the integrated DVR and I cannot find any way to do it. Is this another unbelievable problem?

Joshua Bardwell did a factory tour with these guys and asked them some of these questions, you should watch that video. They do answer them, somewhat. But you may not like their reasons. I don't.

@aidanmarley3351

3 жыл бұрын

Pro trick : you can watch series on Flixzone. Been using it for watching a lot of movies during the lockdown.

@wilderty3802

3 жыл бұрын

@Aidan Marley definitely, have been using flixzone for since december myself :)

@zanderbrody1847

3 жыл бұрын

@Aidan Marley Yup, I've been watching on flixzone for years myself :D

This is why I still fly with the FatShark Dominator V3. Because besides prettier screens ,there is not much difference .

@jayward7536

5 жыл бұрын

Just sold my.dom.3 and i must.say these are.much better the screen size the clarity and the fit.on my.face is better with the hdo

@elfkind5590

5 жыл бұрын

I just upgraded last week from my DV3 too. I was as stubborn as you and probably twice as cheap. The v3 has the smallest screen size of them all and that (plus some power issues) is what made me make the jump. When you change your viewing, you change the whole experience. These are much better in many ways. Fucking expensive but how much money in cameras and drones am I using them on. At least get yourself out of the V3's, they are tired.

Could you tell me the 5 positions switch model name?

Hi Pawel, are you planning or have chance to review R9M Lite Pro? Really interested to hear your opinion.

@flighttherapybullisticfpv133

4 жыл бұрын

Drone Mesh has done one and his reviews are pretty in depth

@jackfpv8904

4 жыл бұрын

@@flighttherapybullisticfpv133 thanks. Yes I have seen it yesterday. I'm subscribed to his good channel. I was looking for info about it for three weeks and finally pull trigger for TBS.

It's exciting to think how much more room there is for improvement. Have you thought about checking out the Orqa goggles?

@RR123

5 жыл бұрын

Didn't realize how retarded the HDO were, glad I'll be getting Orqa FPV.One within a month...

I'm glad they spent their time and money on innovation by releasing OLED screens. Sure a power switch, higher bit rate DVR, no need for tweezers to remove SD card and internal fan power would be nice. Hell it took Skyzone 1 year to catch up with OLED screens! I do wish they all had 2-3 face plate options S-M-L.

Pretty sure you can see where FatShark is headed by looking at the Scout goggles. I feel like they are a test of technology they hope to bring to other goggles like the power button, improved DVR, menu system, recording light in OSD, better sd card location, etc.

With a power switch you can not only turn on the goggles but you can also turn them off, like in midflight... I would remove a switch just for that reason. Making it hard to turn it off so you won't have an unintended flyaway is a good idea. Keep it simple and get over it ;) All the other points are good points btw! Gief proper switches for bandswitching and fancontrol!

Next new FS release will be color change and optics from V2.

How about this: for my Attitude V5 one needs -.075/-1.5 diopters to cancel out the blurry edges but only -2,-4,-6 are sold. One needs custom diopters for a sharp image... I am considering to take a 200km drive to RHO lens to have them made. And I have perfect vision (200% on average person) Did the Bardwell fan mod and bypassed the fan timer (pics at RCGroups Attitude V5 thread) Nice feature of the V5 is the auto record+save option! I have been looking for this for quite a while for GPS drone locator.

@jayward7536

5 жыл бұрын

Dude i ordered the rhos and without them i would not be able to use my hdos ahole screen was way to blurry they are definitely worth the drive and the buy

So many have mentioned the same issues, it clearly shows that FatShark do not listen to their loyal customers. It's the reason I have not and will not upgrade from my FatShark HD2. I'm starting to think seriously about purchasing the DJI HD flight system and maybe when FatShark listen I might update.

@flighttherapybullisticfpv133

4 жыл бұрын

Try the Skyzone OLED goggles. I have a pair of the the Sky02 V+ editions and they are amazing as far as usability and ergonomics. Add Oled screens to that interface and in my opinion you have an unbeatable combination

@Jamesn-js1zp

4 жыл бұрын

@@flighttherapybullisticfpv133 Why would you want to spend money on analogue goggles at the moment when HD is just around the corner. Everyday I almost hit the buy DJI button but I continue to talk myself out of it, forcing myself to be patient to see what's next. I've always hated electronics because the day you buy it it's always out of date.

@markhinchcliffe5803

4 жыл бұрын

Keep the hd2 james i love mine.

@Jamesn-js1zp

4 жыл бұрын

@@markhinchcliffe5803 I have no intentions of selling them, I've tried the HD3 & HDO and I don't like their field of view. PS: I ended up purchasing the DJI and loving it.

The slaytech battery extension cable puts the power button in the cable. GET THAT BATTERY OF YOUR HEAD.

When do you get your orqa review sample 😋

@FPVUniversity

5 жыл бұрын

when my number of subscribers will get an extra 0 at the end

I absolutely agree! It's basically the same crap since the first HDs. Looks like Fatshark's chief designer is overtasked with other stuff, like cleaning the office or something. Do they even employ a designer??

Not surprised that they decided to delay their release of the Frost Byte after looking at DJI's system saying they will improve it and it would take a couple of months. Would they really be willing to take the risk of taking on a giant company after being so bold as to release a statement that they have a HD system in the works ready for testing hours after DJI released theirs? We'll see in a couple of months.

Check out the adafruit 2.1 jack with rocker switch. It costs about £2 and all you have to do is cut a tiny piece out of the case for the switch part of the dc in.

@joshgault61

5 жыл бұрын

Will upload a pic on my channel

You chose HDO over the SKY03O!? Why? Why would anyone do that?

@FPVUniversity

5 жыл бұрын

there is a series of reasons. I had 2 SkyZones before and they also have problems. But on top of that, I want to have removeable receiver module

@Sergeant898

5 жыл бұрын

@@FPVUniversity Apart from not having a removable module, I'm confident that the SKY03O is better than HDO in every way. If you needed a way to test different modules, surely having a separate external system (eg.FuriousFPV?) would have been a better method. It just seems crazy that you'd support Fatshark and their antique products, and then make a video ranting about how bad they are.

@flo-ridafpv5713

5 жыл бұрын

1 reason RAPIDFIRE..Ok 2 if a skyzones screen dies your SOL, I'm not

Well... Paweł, you have hit the head on the nail with that one :) Just one addition to what you said: I am using the head tracker with an RC car and from all the head trackers in the universe I have used the Trinity HT is really the best in class. I really feels like you're in the car when driving it with pan and tilt controlled from the movement of your head! Other things you mentioned are still valid. Even the simplest box goggles have the ability to change band with a press of a button without having to resort to any kind of external hardware. That all being said I was a huge objector to the FatShark brand for many years. I even almost sold my Dominator HD v1 goggles at one point. Then I discovered that the modular nature of them is actually the way to go and so from a few days back when I received my rapidFIRE module I am absolutely loving my good old Doms :) An the HDOs are being planned some time next year unless something better will come out by then, of course :)

Exactly my feeling as I got my first fatshark goggle after the using skyzones for years. It felt like going back in time. Also why the hell is there a MANUAL switch to switch in-between module and dvr output???

I totally agree with your comments. Considering the high price these goggles have a lot of obvious problems. Another one: how about the fact that it comes with a battery but no charger, and the battery has what looks like a balance plug, but it isn't a balance plug and you cannot use a balance charger to charge it. Unbelievable!

@FPVUniversity

5 жыл бұрын

My HDO came with USB changed battery at least

These things have been mentioned in the past and the answer to why is I believe because there was still no competition or better googles... My biggest problem on small form factor googles is that you can adjust only horizontical the lenses to focus. AndyRC has mentioned this many times.. Whould love to see a google in the future where I can focus the screens exactly to my eyes.. horizonticaly and vertical...

Just use the automatic recording. There is no reason to turn it off and set it so it overwrites the oldest files.

You can set it to record every time you turn the goggles on

Hahahah mate, you made me laugh so hard!! I agree with you.

All valid points. There is settings to auto start recording on the dvr, I find this most convenient even if there are a bunch of videos (checking the channel is clear and make sure video out is working prior to flight) i will just delete. The fan power is my biggest issue.

They don't want to innovate because it costs them money. They're like DJI or Apple, they already have such a fanbase that people will just buy them regardless... no matter what the price or how much they've improved since the last iteration.

Only thing disappointing about the Orqas is the price.

The answer to all your questions. $$. For whatever reason they dont want to make a new shell or mold. So everything that was created since the OG dominator is more like an "add on".

I was lucky that the stars were aligned just right when I was shopping for higher quality goggles, I got in on the Fatshark HD2/T2. Screen size is important for me, I am happy with them - but still enjoy box goggles. 1.lack of power switch, doesn't bother me. My quadcopter also doesn't have a power switch ;) 2. Dude, right?!? What's the deal with having to plug in the balance lead and lack of an off for the fan. I guess these are meant to not leave connected to power, but I often forget to unplug my balance lead and I suspect it will lead to issues w/ accidental switching. Regarding the DVR (which is why I am commenting), my T2's has the same DVR as your HDOs. You can set it to automatically come on and start recording on power up. This is what I am doing, then when I crash...err land a click on the button to stop it, then remember to hit the button again for next launch (which I often forget). All the while the usual DVR sounds are heard, so I don't feel compelled to pull back the goggles to see the indicator. Dude, that location of the SD card and the indicator light, oh it does my head in. I have to admit though, the DVR records in good quality and I am just using a cheap Eachine RX module. So yes I would agree that both the DVR and the fan come off as after thoughts that they quickly added in, but never going back to improve on their hack job. I didn't hear this as ranting. I like your no nonsense approach. I've grown weary of reviewers, especially when they all come out with reviews at the same time raving about something. There are a few I still follow, you are one of them now. Thanks for posting, so glad youtube pointed me in your direction.

OK there are some things that could be better. But for the small volume of sales Fatshark has difficulty having new shell moulds made. There just is not enough money in it for them. FS remains with a leg up on competition with their excellent module interface (though the Falcon now offer the same module bay, but not with OLEDs)

My problem is that for what they charge I really don't think you are getting 300 bucks more value... If skyzone would add a module bay to their 02 series they would dominate.

@FPVUniversity

5 жыл бұрын

true to that

Just got a pair also and i too agree with you soni will.once again do a power button mod

Simple answer to your questions... the costs involved into redo the castings. To redo the moldings it would drive up the costs of the goggles. There is an interview I think that JB had with fat shark that explains this all.

@mowogfpv7582

5 жыл бұрын

That's their explanation but it's nonsense. Other companies tool up for injection moulded parts at much lower volumes than fatshark. Look at how many different goggle casings eachine have in production, and they charge peanuts for them. The tooling costs are not an issue.

@FPVUniversity

5 жыл бұрын

oh c'mon... that's not really a valid argument at all

@tjburke79

5 жыл бұрын

Paweł Spychalski kzread.info/dash/bejne/om2oya56abmff84.html

@mowogfpv7582

5 жыл бұрын

@@tjburke79 just because Joshua Bardwell won't outright call somebody a liar doesn't mean that they aren't one. Injection molding isn't that expensive. I think fat shark's real problem is a founder who won't or can't allow the company to outgrow him. In some ways this is good for maintaining quality and focus but it means that other companies who are better resourced and can multitask will start to outpace them.

The more I think about it. I believe all the things you mentioned are all potential points of warranty failures. And fatshark is pushing the warranty side pretty hard. After all if you do not have it you cant break it right LOL!

Why do you need a power switch. If it makes you so annoyed just fit one Also it's really easy to wire in a bec and balance plug pigtail for the fan.

Fat sharki mają jedno podstawowe założenie konstrukcyjne. Absolutnie żadnych dodatkowych elementów, które nie są niezbędne. Mnie irytują w nich 2 rozwiązania ,druga wtyczka do zasilania wentylatora. To jest jednak konsekwencja tego, że face plate jest elementem, który można odłączyć i jest niezależny od gogli. No i to nieszczęsne gniazdo na kartę pamięci, to faktycznie mogliby zmienić, jest to strasznie irytujące. Brak włącznika mi nie przeszkadza i tak nigdy nie zostawiam gogli z podpiętą baterią.

A simple off switch would be nice...

nice video, Fatshark really needs to listen to everything u said, my worst rant is the Fan connector...whyy..whyyyy :D btw i have installed my own power switch (with LED) and connected the fan directly(always on) and removed the stupid (non balancer) plug from the Battery

I love the auto recording dvr on my Dom v3

Nice review...a bit late... :-D we all know FS problems by now. But thanks for pointing them out yet again... why? Lack of subjects for videos? They keep the same because it basically works well.

Yeah, basically the same critics AndyRC and others have been saying for years. I really don't understand either. 😕 Looks like FatShark doesn't want to change. Go figure. Anyway, great review, Pawel! 😊

@FPVUniversity

5 жыл бұрын

They are very "rigid"

@MCsCreations

5 жыл бұрын

@@FPVUniversity Basically. 😕

wait a bit and you could have gotten the orqa one

Why can't we have a large capacity battery on the tx with a cable going to goggles which powers them both and an accecible switch/switches on tx to power on goggles and fan if needed? More control and lighter goggles. Time to get out the soldering iron??? 😀👍🏻

I cant wait to try the orqa goggles

I really suspect a lot of it is truly simple- FatShark is still selling tonnes- why would they want to invest in all new molds or new design, layout or functionality. $$$ that would come out of profit. They may change when others make a better/functional product and take away enough market share ;)

@jamich1

5 жыл бұрын

dont you think its gonna be too late for them ?

I totally agree but i still love mine i can see most ghost branches

All these things you were talking about would be excuseable if these were their first goggles ever made (V 1) but as they doing same stupid stuff over and over it's just pure laziness and they don't worry about it because they are still making money.

Really hate fatshark for this attitude. It would be alright if their goggles cost me $300-400 instead of $600-700 to actually work. Even if Fatshark gives out a good product suddenly i still wont support them because of that.

Return them!!!

Orca Sky03O

@flo-ridafpv5713

5 жыл бұрын

Orca yes Skyzone no, cuz rapidfire ;)

You're right !

"Fat Old Sharks" :D

Bravo!

imersion rc batery box for 18650. ~30$. has power buton

@FPVUniversity

5 жыл бұрын

I want a power button in the goggles, not in a batter pack

Pawel search fatshark fan mod / power button mod, I did both took an hour now my hdos w rapidfire are perfect :)

@fpvsmith5452

5 жыл бұрын

I did m i me before i even turned mine on. So worth it and super easy.

@flo-ridafpv5713

5 жыл бұрын

@@fpvsmith5452 hell yes man lil metal led button is soo sick too

@jamich1

5 жыл бұрын

if it is soooo easy why cant FS do it then? they just milk people and wont invest to improve.

@jayward7536

5 жыл бұрын

It is easy the button is like 5 bucks

@fpvsmith5452

5 жыл бұрын

@@jamich1 I know it's not for everyone but if you are really that much of a die hard fpv fan that you feel you need to have a button instead of just unplugging the goggles. 1. Embrace the hobby and get your hands dirty doing some Mods. Its almost like a right of passage. You wanna fly crossfire with a taranis qx7 because it feels great in yiur hands. Same deal. 2. Unless you're flying all day and let's be honest some of us are. If you don't have the energy to execute a simple task like make sure 100% at all times your being as safe as you can with your gear. Ie not walking away from anything unless it's secured or unplugged or being used in that moment. Then perhaps that person should either do some Mods to their gear or have a hole proof flight management, equipment and battery procedure down pat before they just go running off into the field to be an fpv super star.

yes i think the same. I Love the Skyzone!

Nice video.

But the true question is : why have you bought them if you already know 99% of this issues ? For video quality there are skyzone new goggles with oled displays .Check bardwell video for the explanation of the majority of the issues you are saying about fatshark, they have the leading product , the best support and the best reliability , reliability are the main reason just to say one for avoiding the power button, it’s a point of failure...not saying it’s bad to have competition welcome to any other vendor ...hope in orqa’s ( but you have to pay a lot more ) we’ll see !

@FPVUniversity

5 жыл бұрын

Because those were the only goggles that were meeting my other requirement: long enough on the market to be free from early life stage problems and with external RX module. Competition does not have that

hello...come on Pawel,I think you are not fair to fatshark,they dont hawe real competition so they can do what they want....orca will showe where fatshark is...sorry for my bad english

Have you ever think about how Fatshark kept the Prices so high for so long time.!!!? To much Greed!!! I remember the time Fatshark was the only googles rc world were interested in, if Fatshark solled their googles a bet cheaper at the time many people could afford it, but because they knew they were the only one, they kept the prices so high that the other companies when started producing googles had to bring prices up!!!? That is the main reason I did not like fatshark. This is a hobby and if you compare our hobby the googles are still THE most expensive part, thank's to Fatshark

On all your questions answer is very simple and same: China!

Twój angielski jest na 6 z plusem...brak Ci tylko jakiegokolwiek akcentu i brzmisz jak Alexa w męskim wykonaniu.Wyjedź do Irlandii na tydzień i dowiesz się o czym mówię.Pozatym dzięki za wideo

Well said old man...