as a mechanic, i disagree with all of this being good practice. if your brakes are mushy, you must bleed them, it's an indicator of wear/air/other issues. if your rotor is rubbing, don't push the pad's directly and clean the pistons before pressing them in, this can lead to stuck pistons, or worse, damages piston seal. noise is generally contamination or too much heat. causing pad glazing. i can see how the rotors in this video show signs of overheating, those pad were glazed from contamination as well. rotor truing advice is fine.

@Skelf71

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@truthseeker8483

Жыл бұрын

As an engineer I would say the best solution is rim brakes 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀

@PRH123

Жыл бұрын

How do you clean the pistons...?

@kevinnielsen1356

Жыл бұрын

@@truthseeker8483 rim brakes are a form of disc brakes

@truthseeker8483

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinnielsen1356 yes and with a 700mm rotor 😀

To find the “wobble” or “bend” in the disc use a permanent marker and draw on disc as you spin it around.. then once you turn the wheel the bent section will rub off when passing pst the pads..

@noahfontaine7832

Жыл бұрын

That’s such a great hack, I never even thought about it!

@fernandodisola6675

Жыл бұрын

What a pain in the a** why bother

@JamesDownes

Жыл бұрын

You fucking legend

@fernandodisola6675

Жыл бұрын

You just want to laugh 🤣🤣🤣 wait till they bring out double sided rotors with ABS very soon and road bikes weighing over 10kg....watch this space😆😆😆

@4ndyc74

Жыл бұрын

@@fernandodisola6675 literally takes 5 mins

Hydraulic brake system is not an open system, unless it is leaking, it relies on the pressure, i.e. you are not getting rid of the air by taping the lever to the bar overnight, you are relocating the bubbles to one spot and temporarily improving performance. 🧐 You would have to open your bleed port on the lever before taking the tape off, suck the air on top out and push in more fluid whilst loosening the lever.

Your best video short and right to the point ! Learned a lot , but still love my rim brakes .

0:10 "they require very little maintenance" Me watching this video: "LIES!!!😡"

@darkplasmo7921

Ай бұрын

i have had luck and can't complain, but the noise will 100% not be fixed by rubbing them on sand paper, buy high quality ones not some Shimano crap what is a far bigger problem is the rear shifter on my next bike, I will definitely get a gear box

That first hack of wrapping the brake handles in engaged position is something ANY of us can do. Thanks for sharing that! :D

Fantastic quick tips and hacks. You are the master. Thanks 👍

For my mountain bike I love disc brakes. For my road bike all I need is rim brakes. They are lighter, simpler, easy to service and easier to align than disc brakes.

@fernandodisola6675

Жыл бұрын

💯

@fernandodisola6675

Жыл бұрын

@Hans i don't ride in the wet...if i do use special brake blocks which desipate the water really well, at least i don't lock up my brakes on 25mm tyres at 100psi now thats dangerous, you'll be riding double sided rotors with abs brakes 😅😅😅🤣🤣 very soon watch this space and race bikes weigh over 11kg🤣🤣🤣 disk brakes are great on MTB gravel bikes and commuting not on performance road bikes absolutely no need

@goodeggnogg7038

Жыл бұрын

@Hans my carbon rims have basalt impregnated brake track...extremely hard wearing and much better wet braking than aluminium rims!

@tomgrant6563

Жыл бұрын

Unless you do a lot of climbing... And when you descend again the rims wear out too fast, even when dry. In the wet they wear twice as fast again.

@michaelhaney3388

Жыл бұрын

Yes, totally agree, mountain disc, road rim.

Thanks David the tape trick is new to me and great to know.

Great information. Many thanks for this delivery 👍

Great video & very informative with easy fixes 👍🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️

Great advise, as always David.

My favorite bike consultant !!! Thanks,

Superb hacks....superb video,thanks Dave👍

Well done David, thanks 👍👏👏

+1, great video, David! Cleaning your pistons is more of maintenance than hack, but build up of brake dust will gum up the piston seals, reducing how much they will move back. Over time that can exacerbate rubbing from other causes: bent rotors, deformation after hard braking, etc.

Great brake hack!!! Thank you !!

Well done. Thank you David. 👍

Very useful hacks! Thanks!

Great advice. Tnanks for sharing.

Great and concise advise. If I could add a tip from my experience as a professional mechanic. When using a rotor truing tool while the bike is on the bike, do your bends on the opposite side of the axle relative to the caliper. For instance the caliper is around 2 o’clock from the axle, rotate the segment of rotor needing bending to 8 o’clock. This prevents the caliper from becoming a bending tool as well.

Thank you for this great video!

Very nice hacks. Thank you!

Great advice. Thanks

This is video is a great argument for rim brakes 😎

@panzerveps

Жыл бұрын

Yup. Replace your inner and outer cables once a season and the pads when they are worn out. I was on a cycling holiday a few weeks ago, and I was one of a few with rim brake. None of us rim brake guys had any trouble, while the others had problems with spongy levers, leaks and pads that wore out after a single (but very long) descent. It was quite entertaining to see them trying to find a bikeshop with SRAM brake pads in the Italian countryside.

@Megahegs

Жыл бұрын

@@panzerveps if you are wearing out a set of pads on one descent, you are braking too much.😁

@NonLegitNation2

Жыл бұрын

sure if you wanna have no stopping power.

@panzerveps

Жыл бұрын

@@NonLegitNation2 i wonder how people managed to stop their bikes in the century before discs.... 🤦

@byrondixon4648

Жыл бұрын

@@NonLegitNation2 I do have a disc gravel bike. I'll often ride it for a week and then get back on the faster rim brake bike, and think 'be careful brakes won't be as good', but they always feel better than I expect.

Thanks for the info, very useful. Just a suggestion on using abrasive paper to deglaze the pads. Wash them off with brake cleaner after doing this to get rid of any fine abrasive particles before re assembly.

@lobuxracer

Жыл бұрын

Right. And don't use standard abrasives. There's a reason why those of us who work on cars know you should ONLY use garnet on brake systems. Unless you want to pollute your discs with aluminium oxide and ruin your brake pads.

@magnumllama400

Жыл бұрын

@@lobuxracer right nobody cares about such details

There’s not enough tolerance on road or gravel disc brakes, never had a problem with mountain bikes because the calliper is on a hearty fork leg and not a spindly fork that flexes, I reckon that’s the biggest issue, a fork should be compliant for comfort , as soon as I’m out of the saddle on my gravel bike I got disc rub because the fork is flexing 🙄

@sepg5084

Жыл бұрын

Get an alloy fork then. I have a carbon frame but i replaced my fork with an alloy fork. No more fork flex problems. i don't have problems with "compliance" or whatever because tires are the ones that are supposed to soak a bit of that shock anyway.

@markblanch2905

Жыл бұрын

@@sepg5084 bizarre that a bike should need to have a reverse build, quality drop to appease a poor design.

Жыл бұрын

"Compliant" = flexible = sucking up your power. A proper road bike should be as stiff as possible. Enduro bikes for weekend warriors are a different breed.

@DaveCM

Жыл бұрын

That is a problem with your bike. I've never experienced that on my road or gravel bike and I'm a big and strong guy.

@julianmorris9951

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveCM the problem could be it has a quick release and not a through axle, it’s a 2017 bianchi all road, the new gravel bikes all have through axle to stiffen the forks, I’m only 160lb rider so no fatty🤣

Great advice.

Thanks mate you did a bloody good job I did the bike rotors it works absolutely bloody good 😊

Great video, David. I actually learned something new in this presentation about brake noise and how to address it. (So thank you for that!) I'm currently running the previous generation of Ultegra Di2 with the BR-R8070 disc brakes. I am having an issue with the caliper pistons as they seem to retract very slowly upon a sustained braking event. In other words, I can hear the pads brushing up against the rotors for about 100 meters or so before they retract enough for my brakes to go silent again. I want to try your degreasing recommendation to see if the pistons aren't mucked up internally. One other thing I learned that I would like to share with your community regarding noisy brake pads. When installing new pads, (I use Ice Tech in general); one of the thing I like to do to keep things very quiet is to use a metallic brake pad on the inside surface of the rotor and a resin pad on the outside surface of the rotor for both the front and rear calipers. In my experience, this keeps braking extremely quiet even in wet conditions. When coupled with your recommendations, I think everyone will have a very noise-free braking experience 🙂

@davidarthur

Жыл бұрын

I didn't touch on sticky pistons as that's not something I've suffered from at all so maybe I can look at that in another video soon, as it appears it happens to a few people and is causing you some issues. First time I've ever heard about mixing different types of brake pads. Genius. Might have to try that

@pedalscript

Жыл бұрын

I had rotors rubbing the pads on a second-hand bike I bought. The bike had the same BR-R8070 brake calipers and mileage around 2000km. The Park Tool video (m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/qIWMqKiggqXbpNI.html) about cleaning and lubricating the piston seals was SUPER helpful, I thoroughly recommend watching that. Just make sure you're not pushing the pistons too far out from the caliper. I noticed that the pistons were quite lazy, so they must've been depleted of lubrication, causing them to retract poorly hence rubbing the rotor. After following the procedure on the Park Tool video, the pistons are now super smooth and gosh, what a relief it was on my next ride not hearing a single rubbing noise! Pure bliss! :)

@halfglassfull

Жыл бұрын

@@pedalscript I had same problem but cleaning and lubricating did not help. I replaced the caliper. Lazy retraction action still persists.

@pedalscript

Жыл бұрын

@@halfglassfull I guess if the piston seals are deformed or damaged enough, then cleaning and lubricating them potentially doesn't help. Did you try "exercising" the pistons? What I forgot to mention on my comment was that I had to pump the pistons in and out quite a few times before the lazy piston started moving more smoothly again. It wasn't enough to actually just clean and lubricate the piston surfaces, but the crucial part was precisely to "exercise" the pistons in order to free them up. This was explained very well on the Park Tool video but I forgot to refer to that part of the procedure. Anyway, I'm sure Shimano acknowledges this issue so it's possible to just get a warranty replacement if it occurs within the first two years (which is the warranty period). I actually had this exact issue on a NEW (!) Shimano GRX RX400 brake caliper, and had to clean, lubricate and exercise them because after bleeding the brakes, the outer piston just wouldn't retract properly and the rotor was rubbing. Doing the piston maintenance solved the issue. I could have just returned the caliper back to the online store for a new one, except that they are as scarce as hen's teeth at the moment, with delivery estimates of 6 months or up to 12 months. I didn't want to wait so long so I decided to try the piston maintenance procedure which did the trick. I've had my share of the Shimano brake caliper issues. Another caliper was micro-leaking mineral fluid through the piston seals (another known problem for their brake calipers), this was also a brand-new caliper (Deore M6000) that was bled properly. It had me spending quite some frustrating moments trying to locate the source of leak as well as having to clean and sand the brake pads due to contamination, all for nothing as the leaking persisted and ended up returning the caliper for a warranty replacement (luckily these calipers were in stock at the time!) 🤷🏼‍♂️ Edit. Oh, and I noticed that you commented having replaced the caliper and the problem still persisted. I don't know if there is a problem with the lever or the caliper, then, but like I said, I had poorly retracting pistons on a NEW Shimano brake caliper, so I wouldn't be surprised if your caliper was also faulty. I should've also mentioned that when I push the pistons back into the caliper with a plastic tire lever, and the system is freshly bled, I tend to first open the bleed port screw on the brake lever before pushing the pistons in, to prevent this action from damaging the seals/bladder inside the lever (because the system might be slightly "overfilled" with fluid after a bleed, so I believe that pushing the pistons back in might increase the pressure in the system, which is why I open the bleed port screw on the lever and usually some drops of brake fluid come out due to the pressure when pushing the pistons back into the caliper). I saw this mentioned on an online discussion forum so take it with a pinch of salt, but I think there's at least some truth to the theory because according to my experience, some fluid does come up the bleed port on the lever when pushing the pistons into the caliper, suggesting that there is a pressure increase in the system when doing this. That said, I would believe that a damaged seal/bladder on the lever would also give other symptoms than just lazily retracting pistons on the calipers, such as leakage of brake fluid through the bracket and/or spongy brake lever.

@Vinchucca1984

Жыл бұрын

I have the same brakes and suffer from the same issue on the front brake. Sometimes the pistons just seem too slow and everything rubs like all h*ll for a few hundred meters. Tried fixing it myself by cleanign the pads, the pistons and realigning the caliper but nothing really seemed to help. I eventually turned it in to a bike shop. They bled the brakes and all that but again to little or no avail. Next bike is going to rim brakes again for me. I'll take the poorer braking performace over all the bending, rubbing, bleeding and squeeling any day of the week. Also whatever you do DO NOT attempt to bleed them yourself! The bleedport screw is EXTREMELY easy to round out and strip the threads off, it takes NO force AT ALL and once you've done that you're looking at a replacement brake-lever which is not only crazy expensive but also unavailable at the moment...so just don't.

Good stuff. Thank you.

While often left out of the bike delivery process Disc brakes should come with a pad spacer/block. The Sram Avid one I use has one side for pushing pads apart to get the right spacing and reseting calipers. The other side is to insert while travelling so you dont pinch the pads together. Of course make sure its cleaned with alocohol each time. Shimano has a simular block but it lacks the wider side for reseting pads. Ask your shop for 2 of these if they didn't include them with your bike or at least one for pad/caliper adjustment.

Thank a lot for this video👍👍

I love my disc brakes and being a heavier rider they are essential. but boy they are constant work!! Swap wheels,,They rub.. clean your bike,,they rub. bleed your brakes…they rub. Oh and then have to do a lever bleed again a few months later as a massive bubble has mysteriously appeared under the bleed bolt… reset everything. go for one joyous ride. go for a second ride and…they rub lol

@DaveCM

Жыл бұрын

You can set your wheels up to swap out. I've done it. It takes some work though. I used shims to get on identical to the other. Unfortunately, when you change rotors on one, you have to do it again but that isn't very often. But, I've since given up swapping wheels though. Not because of rotors but because tubeless. Too much hassle maintaining two two sets of wheels setup tubeless.

Fantastic... thank you!

this was cool - would love to see the game changes and oddities (purp's bug) first in order

1:30 - I do this with my socks (to reset the calipers' positions after pads replacement), but never left them for all night long! It makes sense however - thank you! 4:00 - I use whiteboard marker pens (they are dry and easily removable with the help of pure alcohol) to see where the rotors rub pads.

Thanks for sharing. My rear break was spongy and with the tape hack the problem was solved the next day.

@marzzipanik

10 ай бұрын

For how long? Honest question.

@DR_1_1

3 ай бұрын

@@marzzipanik Same question here, how long do the brakes stay firmer? New brakes here, they were spongy, but get better after some bed-in. I'm asking because I can see no setting for that issue? Also no settings on the calliper, neither for alignment, nor spacing... On my 30 years old rim brakes I can adjust spacing and alignment with a dedicated screw and the ring at the end of the cable (or by adjusting the cable, too)...

Low maintenance???

I had terrible front rotor rub on my roadie and it was driving me bats especially when it was raining and my front calibre would lockup and then i had it serviced still kept doing only till i asked them to check the tension in my front wheel spokes well that sorted the issue out the front wheel spokes where terribly loose now i dont have the issue thank goodness

The fact that this and many other videos like it exist, tells me I want to stick with rim brakes for as long as I can.

@waynosfotos

Жыл бұрын

Half this stuff you never have to do with rim brakes, i hardly or never have to touch mine. Accept for a pad replacement.

@PRH123

Жыл бұрын

Agree, the hydraulic discs on my commuter demand constant attention, they really only worked well the first year when they were new. By the way the drum brakes on my bad weather bike have not needed maintenance or adjustment for the last 5 years...!

@rokker333

Жыл бұрын

New bikes usually only come with discs brakes :(

@VeloNippon

Жыл бұрын

@@waynosfotos Now that you mentioned pads replacement they lasted at least two years. I do a lot hill climbing and with disc brakes have to go through rotor plus brake pads replacement every 6 months. This is more than double running cost that only benefits manufactures not consumers.

@Kvs-vf9nt

Жыл бұрын

Just change the disc brakes completely then. If you all have the money for a good bike pay some money for new brakes. It's much safer. Just my humble opinion.

Superb video. The first hack absolutely blew my mind. Anything that can help one avoid bleeding hydraulic brake lines on a bike is a God-send, as the task is so time-consuming and such a total pain in the ass. Bravo, my friend, for sharing this. I thank you for that.

great tips and love the Aussie accent mate!!

Another thing worth mentioning is that if you have had oil or grease in the brake pads, you can try adding lots of brake cleaner and trying to suck the oil into clean paper or cloth but in many cases those pads are wasted. (Basically try to solvent the oil into cleaner and then remove it before it dries again.)

Some things extra, if you've been using Shimano brakes and go to a bike with SRAM, the brakes may feel spongy, nothing's wrong, that's just how the modulation works. If you are using Shimano rotors, I think it's ice tech or something, they may be extremely thin, do not use a tool, just use some tissues and do it with your fingers or you will definitely bend it off to the other side. I fix squeaking brakes using thunderstorms. If you live in a city, especially with a petrochemical plant somewhere, the air is extremely polluted, here, it essentially turns out rain into some kind of degreaser. I just rode around during a thunderstorm 2 days ago and my brakes stopped squeaking. Also uh, it once degreased my chain for me.

No, this is not "Open system". It is the same as in MTB or Motorcycles and Cars. If your brakes feel "mushy" after some time or hanging on rack, it is indicator that you have not bled them correctly. Idea with tape it just "quick fix", because you will only force air to go into reservoir in lever. It is not proper solution, because source of problem is incorrect bleeding.

Is the hack with tape useful when bike is hanging on the rack in vertical position? I have found that to long time on race makes disc brakes need of bleeding.

Also, calliper re-centering is often a good way to prevent brake noise

1:10 might as well use cable ties. 5:15 especially on the road during freezy winter time... When road salt hasn't had time to get into the tarmac and it has rained or snowed (slushy stuff). That mixture of water and road salt gets splashed up onto the bike. Also very bad for the paint, so you have to rinse it off the same day to prevent corrosion.

Disc brakes require little maintenance? It must be a joke. They are maintenance nightmare. This video proves it.

Useful...thanks

One main reason for loud brakes from my experience is that break mounts on most frames are not faced out of the factory (regardless of the brand / price) and as such the calipers can't be adjusted to sit perfectly. There is no hack around this but to take the frame to a bike shop and pay them to do what the factory should have done.

@davidarthur

Жыл бұрын

That's a really good point Botond thanks for sharing

@Loekie-de-leeuw

Жыл бұрын

And how would you notice the difference between needing facing, brake misalignement and bend discs?

@Fixin-To

Жыл бұрын

@@Loekie-de-leeuw Steel rule.

@botondrostas

Жыл бұрын

@@Loekie-de-leeuw From my experience if you spin your wheel while looking down at the rotor, using the brake pads as a reference it's quite easy to see if the rotor is bent. When setting up your brake calipers and no matter how you try to adjust them you can't get them to sit perfectly parallel to the rotor (provided the rotor is straight) it's fair to assume that your frames brake mounts were not faced so that they are in the correct angle to your axles.

@user-nu5fx6en9h

Жыл бұрын

My s work frame doing really good

Centering the brake calliper can be a bit tricky, but I do - and it's worked every time for me - is to loosen the calliper bolts, squeeze que brake lever a bit and tighten the bolts. Works every time.

@DEAR7340

Жыл бұрын

@@darinsteele7091 I only have to do this when I swap wheels; the disk is in a slightly different position. Also, in my case, the "loosen-the-bolts-and-squeeze-the-lever" method isn't precise enough for my bike. I have had the most success my inspecting to see which side is actually rubbing, then (carefully/sensitively) moving the brake by hand. It is also important to not fully tighten the bolts; gradually tighten them by alternating between them, while holding the brake in place with your free hand.

@waynosfotos

Жыл бұрын

That is what he did on the vid.

@johndoyle4723

Жыл бұрын

And keep the the brake lever tight while you tighten.

You talked me out of ever getting disk brakes.

@thesayn3ver

Жыл бұрын

To fix disc brakes you throw them away and purchase rim brakes.

@HarveyLMiller21

Жыл бұрын

John Harris: There are issues with rim brakes also. Among the many is the fact that, if your wheel isn't true, rim brakes will exhibit uneven braking...or worse like inability to use your bicycle unless you totally open the brakes. If you overheat the rim brake it's possible to have a blow out, very dangerous going downhill at speed. Rim brakes aren't as powerful, in general, as disc brakes and, if you are at load (bike packing, etc.) that can present a stopping power issue. Usually, with rim brakes, one has to open up the brakes to remove the wheel. Problem is that many forget to close them when returning the wheel back onto the bicycle. That's not a big issue but it does occur. The fact is that disk brakes are relatively more effective and safer to operate.

@jerrykuc149

Жыл бұрын

Mechanical discs aren’t too bad; but those hydraulic ones suck. Especially the ones that use DOT brake fluid. Nasty stuff.

@gustavmeyrink_2.0

Жыл бұрын

@@jerrykuc149 Mechanical disc brakes neatly combine the disadvantages of rim brakes with the disadvantages of disc brakes. I went for a mic of a hydraulic rim brake with a hydraulic disc. Both required zero maintenance in years. Both were vastly superior to wire-pull brakes.

Most of the tips are good for, obviously, hydraulic/hybrid hydraulic brakes. Would it be possible to give a video how to adjust fully mechanical disc brakes? All hydraulic are 99% 2 pistons. Mechanical brakes are 99% 1 piston & 1 stactic wall with adjustment screw. I ride in the winter salty montreal road and i'm not going back to hydraulic because salts will find it's way between the pistons and jam them. I know how to adjust them but i'm sure many peoples would be interested.

WOW what a trick to let the air sponginess out overnight will try this asap!

I had a soft front brake and the reservoir screw on the lever is rounded, tiny bloody things that they are, so could not remove and bleed. Used the electrical tape holding the lever down overnight and low and behold it worked! Magic! 😂 Thanks David it'll tide me over for now 😎👌

Had rim brakes for many years, barely done *any* servicing at all, didn't even change the pads once! Switched to hydro discs and doing at least some maintenance every month or two and buying new pads regualrly all for a smidge of improved performance.

@steveharrigan7811

Жыл бұрын

I had a Specialized MTB with Shimano hydraulic discs, had it for 5 years, never had to touch the brakes once. Now I have a Scott MTB, It has the same brakes, 2 yrs in, and I havent had any braking issues..0 maintenance.....I ride on average, about 35 to 40 miles a day.

@Mixail747

Жыл бұрын

@@steveharrigan7811 I dunno man, I also have Shimano hydro, and mine are fiddly af.

@steveharrigan7811

Жыл бұрын

@@Mixail747 Im on my second bike with hydraulics....Never had to touch them. Both Shimano.

@DR_1_1

3 ай бұрын

@@Mixail747 Maybe you need to clean them... What are your brakes brand/model? if you have to replace the pads because of poor performance, you have a main issue, disc brakes should be extremely powerful. Maybe no bed-in? Or poor alignment of the calliper with the rotor? I had to align my rear calliper on my new bike, tolerance is so low and when braking the rotor was bent! I was a bit surprised to see I had to basically loosen the main screws, no setting for that on S 105 (otoh there is a screw especially for alignment on my old Shimano rim brakes, in addition to spacing). Maybe check that alignment, it's less obvious than with rim brakes, you have to look exactly in the plane of the rotor, and maybe a light behind it. Replacing the pads is also a bit more subtle than on rim's, but in both cases, they should last a few thousands kilometers of normal use? Of course riding styles vary a lot, I'm mostly on flat roads, no mountains... I have to replace rim's pads every few years/thousands kilometers, a bit like tyres (those also vary a lot in durability depending on the brand/model and use).

Great video, very useful. I do have spongy brakes, watched a few videos on bleeding, but thought, nahhh, looks like a world of pain. Was booking it into lbs, but definitely will try taping the levers overnight first. Never thought of de- glazing pads either. Once again, thanks for great video. Subscribing.

@stevencowles8419

Жыл бұрын

If you do a lot of heavy braking over a short period (e.g. town steep hills) you can overheat the fluid, it is a good idea to change the fluid once in a while (I do mine annually but I do live in hilly Cumbria), it is a bit of a process but makes a big difference it it is needed so if you’ve tried everything else that is your last resort

i tried doing that loosening the calliper and squeezing brake thing but doesn't always work for me. i find doing it by eye is a more accurate way to centre your disc between the pads. i just used one hand to adjust the calliper whilst i used my other hand to tighten the bolts, and by looking through the gap in the calliper i could see whether the disc was touching any of the pads or not. got it perfectly aligned and only took a couple of extra seconds than the other method but had so many failed attempts of alignment doing it the other way.

And sometimes disc brakes (Dura-Ace in my case) squeal like stuck pigs every time it rains without there being any detectable problem, but are totally quiet when it's dry. Not my idea of progress given rim brakes are normally quiet, and cheaper, lighter, simpler and allow a comfier fork too...

No mention of sticky pistons which i very common in older systems. What about bedding pads into the rotors on brand bikes which is something everyone should do unless the bike shop built the bike and already did it. This has a massive impact on brake squealing. The best sanding paper I find is the Toolstation (if in UK) sanding mesh, as the contaminated dust does not clog the paper - just be careful with cleaning up the dust.

Thank you

I find that when I put on new pads (Trek Emonda - Shimano) the only way I can get the disc perfectly centred with no rubbing is to 'eyeball' it. Holding the brake on and tighening the bolts doesn't work. I also find that I have to spend time pushing the pistons back fully otherwise I cannot even get the new pads in between. I used to do this using a plastic tire lever and pushing on the pistons directly but now I have a special tool from my bike shop and push the pistons back with the old pads still in place by placing the tool in between them. This avoids damage to the pistons.

An open brake system does not or should not let air in. If you have a spongy lever it is because it is not bled properly! Open system just means fluid can move from the line into a compensating chamber, or bladder.

@davidarthur

Жыл бұрын

You're quite right I probably wasn't super clear, was just meaning that the seals aren’t perfect and the expansion and contraction of the fluid and bladder diaphragm can be more likely to let air enter than a closed system which is why they tend to need more bleeding

@teok7735

Жыл бұрын

I think the most overlooked factor is worn out discs, for some reason we think its ok to go for a year or so without replacing them, the pads are not made to travel too far so it rly helps.

@janeblogs324

Жыл бұрын

So you bleed and top up the fluid, then you seal it. Then your pads wear, so the pistons move out. Now the internal fluid system is a larger volume but you didn't add more fluid. So what makes up the extra volume? Vacuum. If you put any fluid under vacuum it boils. The oxygen that was bonded to the fluid separates and becomes air bubbles. Almost all fluid contains h2o. There's oxygen in your fluid system to begin with it was just bonded to hydrogen

@Skelf71

Жыл бұрын

@@davidarthur Sorry the only reason they need bled other than changing the fluid which should be done regularly is to purge air that was in there already, and not properly removed. At no time does air "get in" unless there is a fault. Check with Shimano, Sram or Hope for a comment. Also a closed system is the same as an open except it does not allow for expansion without user input. (old Hope brakes had an adjuster cap for this as they were "closed") I really like your reviews and videos, refreshing change from the usual BS form CGN etc, please don't go down the "made up mechanics" hole.

@Skelf71

Жыл бұрын

@@janeblogs324 Speaking as someone who spends most of their working day working with vacuum machines and hydraulics the "vacuum" effect on a bike brake system is so insignificant its never going to be a concern. Even Water has very little effect below 500mb of vacuum( 10deg approx.) It would be almost impossible for a bike brake system to be even close to a fraction of this level of Vacuum. We are also dealing with oils and fluids, which even at worst case "wet" are still 60%+ higher boiling points than water. Also once the line is closed(when the lever is pulled, it can only be positive pressure in the line. So any small vacuum that exist in the system is now in the reservoir, closed off from the line. In a DOT system, being hydroscopic, continued heat cycles will cause the fluid to degrade, and water to form steam, and give spongy brakes. A different issue to a poorly bled brake, entirely.

Back to Rim Brake, Zero Issues...... sometimes de future is not going forward....

A fellow on Strava had really squeaky brakes and used disc brake silencer from Swiss Stop

Is it a good idea to spray the Disc Brake Cleaner directly on the rotor and down into the caliper??

Wow you listed a lot of things that require a lot of constant maintenance for disc brakes! All things I never encountered with rim brakes.

@DR_1_1

3 ай бұрын

I don't think you need more frequent maintenance, but for standard tasks, bikes are quickly becoming a PIA with disc brakes and tubeless tyres... You need a special tool to replace a center-lock rotor, more tools to change the fluid, yet another if you want to shorten the hoses! Also imagine a damaged or bend rotor when far from home, tolerance in the callipers is so low that it may just be impossible to ride on... I don't even see a solution without the tool remove the rotor (20+ cm long tool )? Disc brakes have their advantages, much more powerful so it's also faster to brake with only a finger if needed, and no limits for tyre width, but it's a real jump in complexity!

Thanks for these user friendly tips! I am going to try the spongy levers one overnight tonight. Is the “glazed over” disc pads issue the same thing as the dreaded “contaminated” disc brake pads? I’ve always had this idea in my head about contaminated pads being a total wash, just toss them and start over issue. I’ve never had the issue because I’m so scared of it happening that I approach any operation that involves contact with the pads like I’m handling live monkey pox cultures! It would be cool to know what exactly contaminated brake pads are and if there is a fix for them.

@weeringjohnny

Жыл бұрын

Hard and continuous braking can lead to glazed-over pads but not necessarily contamination. The latter is often caused by getting oil or road film on the pads. If this happens you either toss them and replace, remembering to clean the rotors and bed in the new pads or, if the pads are only lightly contaminated and fairly new, you could try torching them lightly to burn off the contaminants. This has worked for me in the past.

@ItaloPessoa

Жыл бұрын

Let us know if the levers got any better

@cavemancodeman9519

Жыл бұрын

I boiled my oily brake pads in a pan with half a drop of washing up liquid until all the water evaporated and they've stopped squealing and seem to be working well

@weeringjohnny

Жыл бұрын

@@cavemancodeman9519 Great tip, thanks.

@moonraker978

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Lovely and firm. Top tipp!

Does leaving the levers pulled with tape or a strap mean you never need to bleed them again unless replacing the fluid?

There are situations where disc excel. Rim brakes are much easier to maintain - next bike will be a classic rim bike one.

@johnnyveganite9141

Жыл бұрын

On road bikes rim brakes are better because road riding is about speed not stopping unlike gravel and mountain bike. I don't get the road disc gimmick.

@interceptor7905

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnyveganite9141 Cycling industry have to keep making zillions,they keep changing stuff like fashion

@johnnyveganite9141

Жыл бұрын

@@interceptor7905 👍think you are right, trends to keep the money rolling in...

@lihtan

Жыл бұрын

Disk brakes have amazing stopping power in wet conditions. I would see them as being more necessary for mountain and commuter bikes than road bikes.

@johnnyveganite9141

Жыл бұрын

@@lihtan for sure

Discs arent necessary on road but for mtbing they are a vast improvement over rim brakes.

@Mister_Durden

Жыл бұрын

And needed for an e bike

6:01 I've had best results with brake cleaner when I first spray the disks wet and swipe it dry with a clean cloth or paper. They you can re-spray the disks and let it dry itself.

I never going back to rim brakes.

Brake and clutch cleaner from a motor factors is far cheaper than Muc Off.

@Thomas-fy9yc

Жыл бұрын

I just use 80%alcohol to clean, even cheaper.

Is that disc brake cleaner the same as the kind you can find at your local auto parts shop? Because a can of that is about $3-4 where the stuff from Muc-Off is probably over $10 and almost certainly has the exact same ingredients. Of course I'm probably wrong...

If you remove the brakes entirely and lower the seat you can use workboots to stop suddenly but it’s a bit tricky downhill

0:01 do we love disc brakes?

I think the true solution to squealing discs on road bikes is really really really bedding them in, like much harder than is usually possible on normal road descents. There's actually a sort of reverse turbo trainer available for shops to bed in customer's disc brakes, every shop should have one!

@magnumllama400

Жыл бұрын

Are you out of reality? We don't do that stupid process called bed. Install and go

@DR_1_1

3 ай бұрын

You can add water, apparently it makes the bleeding more efficient?

I probably wouldn't spray a lot of disc cleaners directly on rotors as there is sometimes a oil content in them! Can make noise worse! I just use wet and dry on pads and rotor and that usually does the trick!

Appreciated

Excellent

I'd undo bleed screw on lever before pushing pistons in, to avoid risk of breaking the lever with hydraulic fluid pressure.

@MADTASS

Жыл бұрын

Also to Let the Air work its way up and Escape, used to do it on Motorbikes and Leave it Overnight.

I know that a lot of people will disagree, but I've always found that good Avid BB7 mechanical brakes are far better than hydraulic. Once you understand how they work, they are easier to set up correctly, and they don't ever need the messy bleeding. The reason why people like hydraulic brakes is the strength and feel, which is FAR better than most cheap mechanical designs. That's why I mentioned the BB7. Every bit as good as hydraulic.

I love disc brake on MTB, gravel bike & cycle cross but no way on a performance road bike what fuff to maintain.

My 28" diameter brake rotors work just fine, calipers are eazy to adjust. Never squeaks.

@medvanporjo

Жыл бұрын

more than just rotors

The price difference between hydraulic disc brake set on rb vs mtb

How does the tape squeezing the levers work to firm up the brakes, that is, assuming it does? It happens I keep a stock of velcro-type cable ties... this would be yet another use for them.

@Smeltz247

Жыл бұрын

It wouldn't. A mushy feeling break lever means thare is air in the system and they need to be blead.

how does the first one work? is the air somehow pushed out due to the higher system pressure than ambient?

@Smeltz247

Жыл бұрын

No the system is sealed.

I've been using road disc brakes for a number of years now and have always found them to be disappointing. Admittedly not high end but well reviewed like the TRP Spyre and Avid BB7's on road based bikes, obviously not hydraulic. I have returned to rim brakes recently with a road bike with the 105 5800 rim brake set up and question why ever went down the disc route.😜

@hawkeyelikesbikes

Жыл бұрын

TRP is junk. Had them on a bike I acquired second hand. Never again. Not in the same league as SRAM, let alone Shimano hydraulic road disc. I have Shimano 105 on my rain bike, Ultegra on my new road race bike. Infinitely better than the Ultegra rim brakes on my soon-to-be-sold road race bike.

@davapod

Жыл бұрын

@@hawkeyelikesbikes I agree, whilst the BB7's weren't too bad, the spyre were awful. I changed rotors, pads, non compression outers etc and they were still awful. I'm sticking with rim brakes for the foreseeable future. Though I wouldn't mind having a go on decent hydraulic road brakes. Then again I'm enthralled with simplicity and excellent performance of my rim brakes.👍

@chrisschultz3655

Жыл бұрын

Those are woeful disc brakes. Try some new shimano and you will never go back to rim.

@jor-el1298

Жыл бұрын

That's like saying "I ate cement and went back to eating just dirt. I wonder why I ate cement all this time..."

@NonLegitNation2

Жыл бұрын

that's because mechanical disc brakes suck compared to hydraulic. I've used both and mechanical were clearly like a half step above stopping flintstone style.

Taping the lever opens the passage from master cylinder to fluid resevoir, thereby releasing the bubbles via the highest point in the system. If this trick doesn't work try it again with the burp screw on the reservoir loosened, just remember to tighten it before releasing the lever.

@polarizedpotstone

Жыл бұрын

It actually closes off the „high pressure part“ of the system from the reservoir, or did I misunderstand you?

@Smeltz247

Жыл бұрын

Mushy brakes need to be bleed.

I've found that often the best way to deal with rubbing disc brakes is to clean them with disc brake cleaner!

@Kvs-vf9nt

Жыл бұрын

Yes that's the only thing I do to. For anything else I go to a mechanic. I rather pay and be safe than try to do it and fail and yeah...

Glad I watched this video, now I know I’m not switching to disc brakes.

@WhaJMc

Жыл бұрын

After switching to disk brakes, I would never go back to rim brakes.

I had squeaky disc brakes. I removed the pads, placed 120 grit sandpaper on a flat surface, rubbed carefully the pads in a circle motion. I then cleaned the disks with acetone and let it dry. I then reassembled everything, making sure nothing would contaminate the brakes. I also took the time to burn in the pads for about 10 minutes, braking at about 75% strength, alternating front and back. After all that work, nothing's changed. I'm sad and I'm afraid to annoy the neighbors if I use my brakes.

@fnorgen

Жыл бұрын

From my experience some pads are just plain squeakier than others. My current metallic pads produce this extremely high pitched dissonant screech at certain amounts of brake application regardless what I do. Not terribly loud thankfully, but they actually seems to get a little louder immediately after I clean them. In return though they are very heat resistant. I've had other pads that were usually quiet, but would absolutely scream when they got properly toasted on long steep descents. If the noise bothers you too much, consider buying some different pads with a reputation for being quiet.

I've noticed personally that my brakes will be quiet up until I wash the bike. Whatever was on the wheels ends up dripping onto the brake rotors. The last step in cleaning a bike is decontaminating the rotors. I just spray some 100% isopropyl alcohol on a paper towel and give the rotors a quick wipe down. The noise goes away completely when the last of the alcohol fully evaporates.

Sometimes brake pad gets stuck on the disk, what causes that? It should be fairly clean. I have mechanical disc brakes.

What about a single piston sticking? I will try and clean and lube but this issue is recurring even on different brands of brake calipers. The list of issues with disc brakes is insane and further development needs to be done to make them better.

@davidarthur

Жыл бұрын

Guess I'm lucky but I've not suffered from a sticky piston on countless test bikes or my own personal bikes. And lucky for me I guess but I rarely have to tinker with my disc brakes, they just work fine all the time

@cavemancodeman9519

Жыл бұрын

I've got a single sticking piston on the front brake. Well annoying. I've tried washing then oiling the edges of the piston to no avail. I literally can't touch that brake anymore

@josephphillips865

Жыл бұрын

@@davidarthur Thanks for replying and hopefully your luck holds. I think in my case my calipers need a full rebuild or replacement. It seems my fancy new bikes need the most attention and cost way more to maintain long term while my old school mech bikes with rim brakes are always ready to go. I do like your list and tips.

@josephphillips865

Жыл бұрын

@@cavemancodeman9519 Best I can figure is that something is causing extra friction. Either at the piston/seal interface, contamination accumulation on the piston, or a piston that is out of alignment (which can lead to bore damage). My thoughts are at a minimum the pistons need to be fully removed so that they can be cleaned with Iso alcohol and optionally lubed with a high temp silicon grease. Lubing with DOT or mineral oil depending on the caliper type is more quick fix it seems. Also good luck if you damage a piston when the manufacturer won't sell any replacement parts and are left pursuing aftermarket alternatives on Amazon. No, I'm not salty at the industry at all...

@cavemancodeman9519

Жыл бұрын

@@josephphillips865 Thanks for the reply, i'll try that. One thing, It's difficult to get in and remove the pistons when you're working in the gap of the caliper, is it recommended to try take apart the caliper into two halves or is that asking for trouble?

Hello.. i started soaking my new brake pads in filtered water before installing them.. If they are wet they brake in better and now i never get brake squeal.. I still have to go thru the process of completely stopping on a down hill about 10 times to brake them in. I'm not sure exactly what makes them work better, but i no longer hear my brakes at all.. I run Tektro HD Twin E-525's... I also add fluid when they become soft and burp the lines with a vibrating tooth brush (vibrator to shake the bubbles up to the reservoir).. and i doubled the life of my brake pads with this process. I ride in the city with stops at every block.. And i ride between 30-50 miles a day. over 10k miles in the last 4-5 years.

@rdkuless

Жыл бұрын

David.. thank you for the refresher.. when disc brakes work they are incredible.. And knowing how to maintenance them is really important to the enjoy-ability of them..

Would the overnight lever pull trick works for cable-actuated calipers?

@vongdong10

Жыл бұрын

No, either adjust the cable or buy new ones. Because either the cable is a little too loose or it's stretched too much

@SeeYouUpTheRoad

Жыл бұрын

No