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The Worst Pro Tour Top 8 of All Time

You thought Nadu was bad? I have a Pro Tour Top 8 that's at least in contention if not the worst of all time. 2024 Magic has nothing on the 2000s and its less refined rules of the era.
Turns out Pro Tour Rebels was pretty aptly named and Lin-Sivvi is remembered as the terror of Block Constructed for a reason. Turns out that legend design was something that took awhile to get to the same point we have now.
I love the Magic Pro Tour and I've always wanted to make a video like this, if you enjoyed it let me know I'm looking to make more things like this every now and then!
While I'm still very much excited for Bloomburrow spoilers, I hope you don't mind a bit of a detour from our present into Magic's past.
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Credits:
- This video features the songs 'Title' and 'The Void' from the game 'Orb of Creation', used with permission. Thanks Marple for being awesome.
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- Small bit of footage used from the series Pretty Deece, it's awesome and you should check it out: • The WORST Block In MTG...
- All the other footage used is presumably owned by the LCS, WOTC and the PlayMTG channels. Everything was used with the intention of sharing the great stories of competitive Magic and credit was attributed as best I could.

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  • @HungryOnPlane
    @HungryOnPlane29 күн бұрын

    Holy smokes, this video did a LOT better than I thought it would esp. since the channel is very much still growing. I'm glad there's an audience for this type of content and I'll certainly be making more in the future (I already have some ideas cooking) but just want to note that as of right now esp for newer subs that it's going to be more the exception than the rule as far as content goes on the channel. That being said the appetite is clearly there so I might have to effort the next one sooner than I thought!

  • @gogodr

    @gogodr

    29 күн бұрын

    I can't imagine the amount of research that went into making this video, but the delivery was really on point and really easy to digest. Not only that, great work on the editing giving visual aids and transitions for pretty much every single point.

  • @SeedSnatcher

    @SeedSnatcher

    29 күн бұрын

    I'll be honest, I don't really like Commander content. I came in with an open mind after reading your channel description and this was a great video! There's not really a lot of history of competitive Magic stuff out there so I look forward to more.

  • @Draco9909

    @Draco9909

    28 күн бұрын

    Here before 1k subs 8D

  • @violet_broregarde

    @violet_broregarde

    26 күн бұрын

    cut to the chase faster on your next video please

  • @joe.5103

    @joe.5103

    23 күн бұрын

    Big fan of competitive mtg history. Also, I disagree with the comment about cutting to the chase. The video had a good tempo.

  • @Pachitaro
    @Pachitaro28 күн бұрын

    Me: "This eldrazi are crazy! It's gonna be so hard to play against them!" A fuckin bird: 🗿

  • @billlong4586
    @billlong4586Ай бұрын

    They will let Nadu live until summer ends like hogaak probably.

  • @Krythavar

    @Krythavar

    Ай бұрын

    i hope they start restricting cards like they did in timeless. worked really well for the meta

  • @WitherFang

    @WitherFang

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@Krythavar They will not, so just abandon that idea.

  • @NateBullock-ow6on

    @NateBullock-ow6on

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@Krythavarwhy don't you whine a little bit 😢

  • @davidbeckbeef

    @davidbeckbeef

    29 күн бұрын

    About until Bloomburrow drops

  • @m1xxx3r

    @m1xxx3r

    29 күн бұрын

    unless they get serious slack they'll wait till next ban period which is at the end of August

  • @Nr4747
    @Nr474721 күн бұрын

    Nadu ticks literally every single box for a ban-worthy card: Extremely heavily played (x), warps the meta around itself (x), strong combo card (x) - in a resilient shell (x), strong card even without the combo (x), repetitive and/or annoying play pattern (double x), causes tournament issues due to monopolizing too much game clock (x). They will ban this card once the Hasbro suits are sure that all boxes of MM3 have been sold and the impact on the secondary market is considered not too heavy anymore.

  • @iankane3732

    @iankane3732

    8 күн бұрын

    People always say this but it makes no sense, nobody is opening MH3 for Nadu, he's not even a mythic rare and he's worth less than 5 dollars lol.

  • @Alecations

    @Alecations

    4 күн бұрын

    Forgot the most important one: Trades favorably with answers.

  • @LibertyMonk

    @LibertyMonk

    Күн бұрын

    ​@@Alecationsthat's not the most important ban criteria. Being unanswerable doesn't even necessarily make a card good, though it is a force multiplier. It's a big deal in what makes a card overpowering, but not why cards get banned by WotC. The most impactful point that gets cards banned is when the card or the deck breaks tournament structure, this includes being impossible to track, making every round go to time without being slow play, or requiring people to bring a sticker deck just in case. A relatively close second is eviscerating player morale and attendance/viewership by not being fun while still being played, and a rules change or errata won't help, and the next set releasing doesn't look like it'll shake things up. Then, in distant third most important, is the card actually being powerful, and the ways that it is powerful. This is a big deal, because if the deck can't compete, nobody will play it, and it won't be a problem, but simply dominating the meta isn't necessarily a problem either.

  • @Billchu13
    @Billchu1329 күн бұрын

    I remember convincing my brother that Lin Sivvi could activate her second ability from the yard

  • @donbionicle

    @donbionicle

    28 күн бұрын

    You are an evil, evil person. Well done!

  • @RoseGoldenPetal
    @RoseGoldenPetalАй бұрын

    To quickly correct you, it wasn't 20% of Nadu decks at the PT, it was 25% as there was a 4 Color Variant Nadu list there too, Bant Nadu covered 20.2% of the field while the remaining 5.3% of the Nadu decks ran the 4 Color Variant.

  • @vctrsigma

    @vctrsigma

    Ай бұрын

    I saw the same in the list, but he did say "more than 20%" even though he could have just as reasonably said more than 25%

  • @HungryOnPlane

    @HungryOnPlane

    29 күн бұрын

    @@vctrsigma I did know the number was higher but wanted to keep the same consistency as the graphic on screen I was referencing. This was actually a very intentional bit of scripting!

  • @GutsyTen42
    @GutsyTen4229 күн бұрын

    I was listening to this and thinking "Man this sounds like Pastrytime" and then you mentioned your time in league of legends 😂

  • @Seltaeb_
    @Seltaeb_Ай бұрын

    We should just ban all 3 mana spells tbh. That seems to be the throughline.

  • @NateBullock-ow6on

    @NateBullock-ow6on

    Ай бұрын

    Why don't you whine a little bit 😢

  • @animalchin5082

    @animalchin5082

    Ай бұрын

    We've suffered for too long from 3 drops like Teferi or Oko

  • @Seltaeb_

    @Seltaeb_

    Ай бұрын

    @@animalchin5082 rift bolt has been a manace too long!

  • @FableErrejeDMR

    @FableErrejeDMR

    29 күн бұрын

    @@animalchin5082 uro

  • @BigNonsense
    @BigNonsenseАй бұрын

    God I adore historical magic content like this. Really appreciate your hard work.

  • @HungryOnPlane

    @HungryOnPlane

    Ай бұрын

    Thanks bud

  • @FirstLast-dh8ks
    @FirstLast-dh8ks29 күн бұрын

    I find magic tournaments very hard to watch. they don't show you the decks being played and it seems like they just assume everyone is deep into magic and knows everything.

  • @TeamGentlementlemen

    @TeamGentlementlemen

    28 күн бұрын

    I haven't watched a tournament since like 2012, but they used to have really good commentary for the star city games tournaments that would explain every card being played. I wonder if there's anything like that today.

  • @Josh-bn4ki

    @Josh-bn4ki

    28 күн бұрын

    Isn't that true of almost every sport though?

  • @alexpoobum

    @alexpoobum

    28 күн бұрын

    thats how i feel when i watch flesh and blood now, i want to watch and learn the game but no idea whats happening, dont know the cards etc

  • @halihalo21

    @halihalo21

    28 күн бұрын

    @@Josh-bn4ki ? Magic has over 20.000 different cards. How on earth can someone know all off them. Yes on tournaments there are mostly only metadecks but still if you cant read the text on the card you have no idea whats going on. Most sports are easy to understand just by watching it.

  • @Bsweet117

    @Bsweet117

    27 күн бұрын

    Maybe dont watch real magic if you're a casual

  • @nikolaskohl4269
    @nikolaskohl4269Ай бұрын

    Really awesome video! I think what makes Nadu feel different is that it's not just wizards making mistakes like they did with Necro or Skullclamp, but it's like they are just throwing out insane cards and letting the community do the playtesting. We've had the incarnations, Ragavan, Thoracle, Jewled Lotus, The One Ring, Oko, and all of these things could have been fixed before they were released, but once they are in packs being sold, and it's much harder to solve problems because players have already built decks and these are the chase cards. It's not Nadu really, it's that there will always be another Nadu in a set or two.

  • @N4chtigall

    @N4chtigall

    Ай бұрын

    By looking at the WotC actions in last months/years I wouldn't be surprised if they did that on purpose just to sell more packs. The amount of crazy strong, obviously problematic cards in recent sets is astounding. Not even mentioning the power creep. And the worst thing is that they aren't going to stop: yesterday the Bloomburrow trailer dropped and guess what? Even more strong, power creep cards that will make other cards completely obsolete due the sheer power.

  • @fromryuk7785

    @fromryuk7785

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@N4chtigallhate to say it because I enjoyed 20+ years of 40-60 card format magic but these days the only format I even have decks built for are beginner teaching decks built from left over bulk commons and uncommons that I would teach new players with then donate the deck to them(haven't run into anyone lately but did give a few away like this.) and commander. It's a lot easier to swallow a powerful card effect if it's limited to one. And while you can make a commander deck hyper focus on 1 combo with tutors and everything, it's usually better to build a deck with multiple combos. That allows for a more dynamic game to play out since you may not be winning with the same win con every single time. Unlike 60 card magic where you build the deck around a couple Cards with 3-4 copies of your primary combo cards then engine support cards to protect, speed up the combo, or counter.

  • @ekteboi4179

    @ekteboi4179

    29 күн бұрын

    Agreed! Also just looking at the speed with which increasingly obscure sets are coming out, the cash grab element of it is pretty obvious.

  • @captainbarbossa289

    @captainbarbossa289

    28 күн бұрын

    It’s a side effect of having absolutely no time to play test anything between sets. Nowadays, there’s a new product coming out every three weeks. There’s no time for r&d to properly playtest everything, and instead having to rush it out the door as quickly as possible. As long as this type of design continues, there will indeed be another Nadu every other set or so.

  • @nikolaskohl4269

    @nikolaskohl4269

    27 күн бұрын

    @@N4chtigall Yep, agree 100% It's just that it's such a short sighted way to push sales. The thing is, magic absolutely depends on old cards, nostalgia, and players brewing with their old favorites, because at the end of the day, magic is fundamentally worse at being a card game than most other card games. When they keep printing stupidly power crept newness, and as players keep having the outcome be, it's not as fun to play my old favorites anymore, it kinda ruins the one thing that magic truly has to it's advantage. Just the fact that other games have no land flood/screw and they balance in other ways that don't depend on sheer luck in every single game, that's why magic desperately needs to not disenfranchise current players and to not powercreep out the older cards.

  • @winter945
    @winter945Ай бұрын

    Heh, it is a small thing but at 8:30 you have the set symbols mixed up, nemesis was the axe and prophecy was the crystal

  • @HungryOnPlane

    @HungryOnPlane

    Ай бұрын

    LOL no one has to know. It's funny because I know for a fact in the edit I swapped them because I thought they were in the wrong order. Should've trusted my instincts...

  • @Uri6060
    @Uri606029 күн бұрын

    Love the video! Would love to see more bangers like this ❤😊

  • @ryanquinn1257
    @ryanquinn1257Ай бұрын

    I feel crazy Stockholm syndrome, but I really feel without Nadu this modern format would be real fun. One Ring is the next boogie man for basically giving a freebie turn and crazy card advantage for all the free spells, but I feel after that storm is easy to hate out, tron can also be hated. I feel after Nadu and One Ring the format could be reallllly fun.

  • @kaipography

    @kaipography

    Ай бұрын

    One Ring is problematic though as no one is sure if/how it can be printed. Price has doubled in a year, and there’s no word from WOTC addressing this. UB could be the reserved list of the 2020s and “Beyond….”

  • @ryanquinn1257

    @ryanquinn1257

    Ай бұрын

    @@kaipography yea. I wish IP wasn’t a problem because I find the card and flavor interesting. I also think it’d be cool to actually get it restricted for such a flavor win, but doubt they’d introduce that Pandora’s box to modern. I agree One Ring should probably go if reprint avenues cannot be figured out though.

  • @vitaminstorm9429

    @vitaminstorm9429

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@kaipography its insane that people think you cant reprint the one ring. They can easily make a universes within version. They've done it before, and they'll do it again

  • @ryanquinn1257

    @ryanquinn1257

    Ай бұрын

    @@vitaminstorm9429 it’s a very big, rich IP. It’s one of the hardest IP’s to come back to the table and renegotiate deals with amongst what they have used so far, so yes I do think in this instance it’s not as easy to just “reprint as universes within” copies. They also renegged the promise to do such after the stranger things secret lair / promising universes within versions of them.

  • @swolegolisopod7340

    @swolegolisopod7340

    Ай бұрын

    ​@vitaminstorm9429 ye I saw someone mention printing it but swapping in the mirari for universes within flavor and that honestly fits perfectly

  • @Thrillford
    @ThrillfordАй бұрын

    I saw this video appear in my feed and immediately recognised your voice. Excellent work and amazing production quality!

  • @ilovestarcraft12345

    @ilovestarcraft12345

    Ай бұрын

    Same!

  • @ARTificialDreams
    @ARTificialDreams28 күн бұрын

    Excellent video! Good luck with the channel!

  • @heddysteve7078
    @heddysteve7078Ай бұрын

    Subscribed, Awesome video would love to see more these.

  • @HungryOnPlane

    @HungryOnPlane

    Ай бұрын

    Thank you! For right now the channel will still be a mix of the current MTG/Commander content and stuff like this but I do want to do more of these in the future.

  • @alphacanios
    @alphacanios28 күн бұрын

    I just found your channel, and that intro really pulled me in, got an instant subscribe as that title screen rolled around. Looking forward to seeing more magic coverage from you!

  • @darkjackl999
    @darkjackl99927 күн бұрын

    man when you cut to the LCS footage and i recognized your voice from the intros it threw me for a loop great vid

  • @rezanajdi6165
    @rezanajdi6165Ай бұрын

    Great video! If I may offer some feedback.The music was a little loud around 7:15 and it made it hard to hear you. I hope it on sound like a jerk, I’m excited to see more from you in the future.

  • @HungryOnPlane

    @HungryOnPlane

    Ай бұрын

    Oh np! I did a pretty good look at the mix for this video but missed this part for sure. Thanks for the feedback!

  • @oliverhudgins-di7oi
    @oliverhudgins-di7oiАй бұрын

    This is such a good video, I wish you got more views for such a good video

  • @oliverhudgins-di7oi

    @oliverhudgins-di7oi

    27 күн бұрын

    Well sometimes wishes do come truw

  • @Mira.kel7876
    @Mira.kel787628 күн бұрын

    Just subscribed hoping for more pro tour history vids ❤

  • @user-sp9po5qi9q
    @user-sp9po5qi9q26 күн бұрын

    Love these videos. I've watched the Enter the Battlefield documentary style videos multiple times as well as every Inside the Deck vid about MTG Pro Tour history. This stuff never gets old!

  • @canman87
    @canman8728 күн бұрын

    "... THE best pro tour finals match of all time..." *Shows finals from Chicago 1999* My man 🤝 That match is mind-bogglingly good. I also love that line that Randy pops off in the lead-in to game five: "Bryan Davis is trying to become the third consecutive rookie to win Pro Tour Chicago, he's also trying to become the first person ever to win the finals five games to zero." Legendarily savage roasting 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @yasec4731
    @yasec4731Ай бұрын

    Great video can’t wait to see more!

  • @benjaminfraley5540
    @benjaminfraley5540Күн бұрын

    This was awesome I love these type of videos and am subscribing because of it. I am not very interested in commander content but this and the one about the RG deck were awesome

  • @zachariahhenzel3518
    @zachariahhenzel35189 күн бұрын

    Awesome video! Those 2000 magic pro tours were really something 😅

  • @Laguzrick
    @LaguzrickАй бұрын

    Great video! I don't watch the pro tour but I heard about the Nadu situation; so seeing a video pop up in my recommendations about a pro tour that's supposedly worse, definitely grabbed my attention and I'm glad I watched it. Keep up the great work, I look forward to more content ~

  • @XsumerianX
    @XsumerianX29 күн бұрын

    How am I just now hearing bout this channel? Got a new subscriber with this video. ❤

  • @jasonsok
    @jasonsok28 күн бұрын

    I really appreciate the effort you put into the video and can tell your passion for the subject. Hope to see more like this

  • @eavyeavy2864

    @eavyeavy2864

    27 күн бұрын

    Last

  • @Mightypi
    @MightypiАй бұрын

    Regarding nadu, its transparently far to good. It was carefully made to be this strong, its to push packs

  • @Snow_Fire_Flame

    @Snow_Fire_Flame

    29 күн бұрын

    Hanlon's Razor goes here: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

  • @tylerberg4832

    @tylerberg4832

    25 күн бұрын

    @@Snow_Fire_Flameya inconceivable they would want to sell packs right ? Yuro oko and nardu were all made to sell packs

  • @profozpin227

    @profozpin227

    12 күн бұрын

    ​@@tylerberg4832While I would normally agree, Nadu is printed at Rare and not Mythic Rare. Nadu is currently half the price of a pack as a single, and it was a similar price a while ago. If it's meant to sell packs, it's done a pretty horrible job.

  • @tylerberg4832

    @tylerberg4832

    10 күн бұрын

    @@profozpin227 you think they make cards to not sell ? Uhhh ok

  • @dylanfife5444
    @dylanfife544428 күн бұрын

    I didn’t realize this was pastrytime until you started talking about your league casting career. Good to see more of you!

  • @Heavy_Play
    @Heavy_Play29 күн бұрын

    What a great history lesson. Absolutely loved the video style!

  • @datmuhq6821
    @datmuhq6821Ай бұрын

    Randomly finding this video, thinking huh i know that voice and then realising why had me confused. Looking forward to more MTG content from you!

  • @marcelukawski1346
    @marcelukawski1346Ай бұрын

    Love videos about the history of competitive magic. Keep up the good work!

  • @thomasgallegos3845
    @thomasgallegos3845Ай бұрын

    Im surprised you didn't mention Eldrazi Winter (PT Oath of the Gatewatch). 6 of the top 8 decks were some flavor of Eldrazi, and it was a standard set that sent things into chaos for that modern PT. Also it was a pretty stacked top 8.

  • @HungryOnPlane

    @HungryOnPlane

    29 күн бұрын

    I'm guilty of being less familiar with post 2010 PTs esp but excited to learn more about the more recent era. In fact now that you mention it maybe that PT would be a good video idea...

  • @thomasgallegos3845

    @thomasgallegos3845

    29 күн бұрын

    @HungryOnPlane it would be a cool comparison video just showcasing another format with a crazy oppressive archetype. If you do a video on it I'll definitely check it out!

  • @lseths

    @lseths

    28 күн бұрын

    I am a little surprised the video didn't mention Pro Tour Eldrazi given it getting 6/8. That said, I don't think the Pro Tour itself was that bad (my biggest complaint about it was actually that they banned Splinter Twin shortly before it, which I think was unwarranted and was only done to try to shake things up). Yes, Eldrazi dominated, but Eldrazi was a brand-new deck that was on no one's radar prior to the Pro Tour. A new deck doing so well was a surprise. The format might have been miserable after the Pro Tour (until they banned Eye of Ugin), but in the context of the Pro Tour itself there was some excitement over a new deck no one expected doing so well. And that's why I think Nadu was a lot worse. People knew about Nadu going into the Pro Tour and already didn't particularly like it, and then it dominated and made people dislike it even more.

  • @carnagejon

    @carnagejon

    26 күн бұрын

    Eldrazi winter was awfull. No reason not to play the deck. It was everywhere...

  • @KoolMan685

    @KoolMan685

    26 күн бұрын

    ⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@HungryOnPlane Yeah eldrazi winter was my first thought when i saw the title. I think it’s even better for a video conceptually because the main card that lay dormant, eye of ugin, saw very low level of play before being unleashed, much like Eldrazi flavor wise, after the introduction of eldrazi spells with very low CMC such as thot knot, reality smasher, and endless one (who was just free 2/2’s first turn of the game and still a great top end card). That deck was brutal and hard to watch as the play patterns were rarely interesting but you knew that the deck winning was inevitable, again just like the eldrazi themselves. When BFZ first came out and the deck started popping up i wondered if wizards did it on purpose to just replicate the idea of how unbeatable and unrelenting the eldrazi were haha

  • @SadToffee
    @SadToffee27 күн бұрын

    if it's not too disrespectful of your time, I'd love to know how you got in to the professional casting circuit. as someone who has casted a few small events for some games as an amateur I've always looked on at pro casters and thought about being in that position.

  • @wrenn2694
    @wrenn269429 күн бұрын

    This is fantastic, more discussion about ban, broken cards, top 8’s and competitive magic please!

  • @JalebJay
    @JalebJayАй бұрын

    I thought you might have gone for Elves as they had 6/8 in the PT of Berlin. It was a deck that took long turns as Glimpse drew into chains of more elves, and games were decided on if you would accidentally deck out, or just hit your opponent faster than your opponent could set up.

  • @HungryOnPlane

    @HungryOnPlane

    29 күн бұрын

    Elves is REALLY interesting 'cause it was omega busted for sure but there's more interesting storylines about that PT I'd like to save for future things. Also any excuse to get the wild late 1990s ESPN coverage in a video LOL. Also I think the appetite for Elves in retrospect is a lot more palatable now whereas Rebels is universally terrible.

  • @RetroPokemonDepot
    @RetroPokemonDepotАй бұрын

    Awesome video! I totally forgot about how the Legend Rule affected these mirrors. How dreadful!

  • @peterschanner
    @peterschanner29 күн бұрын

    I was just about to comment that you sounded exactly like pastrytime. Good caster voice translates well over to good youtube voice, good job!

  • @Cryxboy
    @Cryxboy26 күн бұрын

    Very well made video my guy. Hard disagree on this being the worst PT, though. PT Oath of the Gatewatch was such cancer to watch as the Eldrazi menace just ran everyone over. Also, not only was Nadu dominant in the field of its PT, it still WON the event. I’d still rank both of those PT’s higher than PT Rebels in terms of awfulness.

  • @draconocor1309
    @draconocor130928 күн бұрын

    Really great video. Well presented and and edited- I think the music could be a little quieter but other than that this is great.

  • @kornkobb420
    @kornkobb42029 күн бұрын

    Love the shout out to the GOAT at the end. Very classy! You've got my sub for that!

  • @Drecon84
    @Drecon8428 күн бұрын

    Well, now I want to play Orb of Creation again...

  • @Necros212
    @Necros212Күн бұрын

    That moment when you click a random Magic video essay that popped up in your recomendeds and go "Wait a hot sec..... I know that voice"

  • @HungryOnPlane

    @HungryOnPlane

    Күн бұрын

    It's me Magic Time.

  • @HopefulAgnostic
    @HopefulAgnostic29 күн бұрын

    Holy shit its Pastry Time. Wow I had no idea you had a youtube channel and this was just in my recommended.

  • @uselesscommon7761
    @uselesscommon77612 күн бұрын

    Video: "another 3 mana legend" Me: "oh yeah, the rebel leader girl"

  • @BlazinTre
    @BlazinTreАй бұрын

    More pro tour content! I'm new to Magic and stuff like this is FASCINATING!

  • @daph1364
    @daph13642 күн бұрын

    Oh I loved your casting in the LCS. I didn't expect banger magic content as well. Both the Block Constructed have been awesome.I gre up with the game but never knew much of the pro scene.

  • @SnackCakes
    @SnackCakesАй бұрын

    How do you have under 2k subs? Your editing, script, and topic are A tier

  • @uptherockies
    @uptherockies17 күн бұрын

    Great vid - glad to find a new auto watch channel !

  • @Sasambots
    @SasambotsКүн бұрын

    I can't believe I started watching your videos today and I kept thinking. "Man this guy sounds a lot like Pastrytime" and then I get to this video where it's like. Oh, he IS Pastrytime. Well that makes sense. Great videos I've been really enjoying them. Great quality just like your casting.

  • @JohnSmith-cw5hs
    @JohnSmith-cw5hs17 күн бұрын

    did not even realize this was Pastrytime when i clicked on the video!

  • @Dasein23
    @Dasein239 күн бұрын

    Great video, well done

  • @alexcorbett9414
    @alexcorbett941423 күн бұрын

    Heard the voice at the start and did a double take; when I heard the LCS shouts I couldn't believe that one of my favorite casters was doing a MTG video! Instant sub, hope you keep doing content like this!

  • @philipmorse-fortier5499
    @philipmorse-fortier549915 күн бұрын

    When you started showing the old video, I knew it was going to be Lin Sivvi. The legend rule was such a problem.

  • @Ariamaki
    @Ariamaki28 күн бұрын

    I wonder why they had Nadu's ability cap to triggering twice per-turn Per Creature rather than twice-per-turn period? It'd be a little more awkward to format but WAY more sensible.

  • @TheRavenofSin

    @TheRavenofSin

    2 күн бұрын

    It would be far easier to word. Rather than say, "Creatures you control have etc etc etc..." Just say, "Whenevever a creature you control is targeted by a spell or ability, reveal the top card of your library. If it's a land, put it onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put it into your hand. This ability only triggers twice per turn."

  • @stoop..kid..
    @stoop..kid..27 күн бұрын

    Lotta people say hello and welcome man. Cool video though

  • @Vijudo
    @Vijudo29 күн бұрын

    Pastrytime talking to me about magic the gathering? This is something I never knew i needed in life and I'm all for it

  • @johnnycaralta
    @johnnycaralta29 күн бұрын

    The one thing WotC hasn't changed is their incompetence when it comes to play testing cards that are blatantly broken.

  • @Joshuralize

    @Joshuralize

    29 күн бұрын

    They actually have changed it, because they used to have an entire team devoted to competitive playtesting that no longer exists.

  • @johnnycaralta

    @johnnycaralta

    29 күн бұрын

    @@Joshuralize Apparently that team was terrible at their jobs then.

  • @maximillianhallett3055

    @maximillianhallett3055

    29 күн бұрын

    @@johnnycaraltaYou ever heard the phrase “don’t throw the baby our with the bath water”? Having a team is better than not having a team.

  • @johnnycaralta

    @johnnycaralta

    29 күн бұрын

    @@maximillianhallett3055 I never said it wasn't. I just said they sucked.

  • @Ninjamanhammer

    @Ninjamanhammer

    29 күн бұрын

    ​@@johnnycaraltaconsidering how bad things are now I think they did a pretty decent job.

  • @FoxTashikata
    @FoxTashikataАй бұрын

    It’s crazy too because there’s a At Home Nadu deck on arena too thanks to a silly Alchemy card that reduces equipment cost by 1 and automatically gives you equipment.

  • @MusicoftheDamned
    @MusicoftheDamned29 күн бұрын

    There's something hilarious about a Stasis deck being the "good guy" relatively speaking.

  • @unibyte5175
    @unibyte51754 күн бұрын

    Wizards seems to have a serious problem with designing cards that cost specifically 1UG (Oko, Uro, etc), perhaps there should be an indefinite moratorium on rares with that cost lmao

  • @jiaan100

    @jiaan100

    Күн бұрын

    How about a moratorium on any new cards at any cost. Ok at least no new free spells

  • @karlbu123
    @karlbu1236 сағат бұрын

    actually the PT format cycle was usually rochester draft, booster draft, block constructed, extended and then worlds with standard, draft and either block or extended. i think there were only 2-3 standard pro tours until 2008. then the mixed format (draft and constructed in the same event) started to take over and standard was used a lot more.

  • @LegoLynden
    @LegoLynden28 күн бұрын

    How do you have less than 1k subs?? What a well made video fam. Thanks!!

  • @HungryOnPlane

    @HungryOnPlane

    28 күн бұрын

    Road to 1k looking good though 🫡

  • @realK1
    @realK111 минут бұрын

    I miss being able to place Jace Beleren to remove a Jace the Mind Sculptor.

  • @ogolthorp
    @ogolthorpАй бұрын

    I think also a big reason is that there’s so much redundancy, and a lot of times, disrupting the combo still means you’re behind on cards. Nadu doesn’t require you to go all in like many other combo decks do.

  • @Hdtk2024
    @Hdtk2024Ай бұрын

    Its not a disaster for wotc because it sells packs.

  • @KK-pm7ud

    @KK-pm7ud

    Ай бұрын

    It's a feature. Not a bug.

  • @lulu1997master
    @lulu1997master29 күн бұрын

    Oh shit, a professional MTG commentator has a YT channel? With news and old school documentaries? Informed and well-edited too!?!? Dang, gotta sub early.

  • @omegablackzero7951
    @omegablackzero7951Сағат бұрын

    Perfect example how the design teams in MtG lost the magic years ago. Any play testing would have shown how oppressive the card is, but I'm guessing they are hiring people who don't actually play MtG to design their cards now. Considering they have had this issue in the past as you have shown, it should have been a learning opportunity, but I doubt the newer designers have actually reviewed how past cards have warped formats.

  • @iwanomorgan6557
    @iwanomorgan655715 күн бұрын

    I'm sorry for being ignorant. So, which format is Nadu more balanced on? Commander or Modern? I feel like the former is alright for the Simic birb

  • @profozpin227

    @profozpin227

    12 күн бұрын

    It's more "balanced" in commander for sure, but I will note it's currently extremely popular in competitive commander tournaments. There is still a ton of diversity in commander tournaments though. Despite this I wouldn't be upset at all if they banned it, because oftentimes the combo win is extremely slow to actually play out due to "technically" being non-deterministic. It's certainly not the best card in commander, but it's definitely not particularly fun. Another thing to note, it's almost impossible to build it "casually" which seems to be the primary goal for a lot of commander decks.

  • @ffxivguild-mahiko-san
    @ffxivguild-mahiko-san15 күн бұрын

    I knew I knew that voice - hey pastry.

  • @muchochucho9778
    @muchochucho9778Ай бұрын

    holy shit the LAST thing I expected after clicking on this video was to hear pastrytime

  • @forerealz
    @forerealz28 күн бұрын

    I got curoius when you showed the LoL clip in this and did more digging. Pastrytime I adored your Lol casting and am happy to follow you in this endeavor. I played Type 2 back when Rebels were a menace, and it was rough. I do agree that this PT deck archetype was indeed supremely dominate.

  • @damienreave
    @damienreave28 күн бұрын

    Hey Pastrytime, I thought I recognized your voice! Great to see you doing new stuff, loved you as a league commentator and this vid was great too. Are you a fan of Orb of Creation? I immediately recognized the iconic song as one of my favorites from that idler. Not sure if you took it from that or if its just copyright-free music that both you and Orb used.

  • @damienreave

    @damienreave

    28 күн бұрын

    Forgot to mention, its the first song used in the vid, if that wasn't clear.

  • @HungryOnPlane

    @HungryOnPlane

    28 күн бұрын

    👋 I am a big Orb fan indeed, there's actually two tracks from the game in the video!

  • @ZeHamberglar
    @ZeHamberglar28 күн бұрын

    I would put any caw blade era pro tour up against pro tour rebels, but I'm so happy to have a video about lin sivvi's effect on magic.

  • @isaacnapell1188
    @isaacnapell1188Күн бұрын

    Where are you finding all this old tournament footage?

  • @HungryOnPlane

    @HungryOnPlane

    Күн бұрын

    Some people on KZread are doing some great work archiving stuff but I actually had quite a lot of it saved myself! At one point I think I had every video from the old Wizards coverage archive saved.

  • @isaacnapell1188

    @isaacnapell1188

    Күн бұрын

    @@HungryOnPlane That’s incredible, you should upload whatever you had, so much of that coverage has been lost.

  • @noahsandler1726
    @noahsandler172621 күн бұрын

    Please more pro tour history videos ❤

  • @hudsonsin
    @hudsonsinАй бұрын

    Glad I clicked on this video, lesson is Wizards will always print more busted cards (or change the rules to fit it) 😂

  • @Jeskai
    @Jeskai2 күн бұрын

    that "trying to keep the game in balance" is as far from the truth as possible. right now this game checks how fast can powercreep occur, by printing broken cards that are either too cheap in mana compared to stats+effects or by just making cards that ruin fun in casual games.

  • @admazzola3569
    @admazzola356923 күн бұрын

    " wowww a nadu + shuko deck. daring arent we ?? "

  • @sterisharms1468
    @sterisharms146827 күн бұрын

    I remember kaladesh block when it seemed like the only deck in standard was mardu vehicles...

  • @Fauna_CR
    @Fauna_CRСағат бұрын

    I was thinking of Pro Tour Aether Revolt personally, considering 6/8 decks were Mardu Vehicles, and it also featured the infamous "combat" moment, skipping Cesar Segovia's beginning of combat step in a very dumb rules moment.

  • @youngcyanide1046
    @youngcyanide1046Ай бұрын

    I know it's not the pro tour, but the mythic championship that was 69% Oko has made pretty much any other tour watchable for me. At least almost 3/4 of the matches aren't pretty much mirror matches.

  • @HungryOnPlane

    @HungryOnPlane

    29 күн бұрын

    Oh boy Oko honestly deserves his own video. Might be the card that ruined the MOST amount of things.

  • @youngcyanide1046

    @youngcyanide1046

    29 күн бұрын

    @@HungryOnPlane Oko, Uro and field of the dead made for a very... ruined first few months of Eldrain

  • @rtvandle
    @rtvandle28 күн бұрын

    As someone who resides in New Zealand, its difficult to find someone who doesnt know a person who has been to antarctica. Currently they have 28 jobs going mostly in contruction and labourers. People go there all the time

  • @owenkeith1188
    @owenkeith118829 күн бұрын

    For me, 2016's Pro Tour Oath of the Gatewatch was the worst. 6 copies of Eldrazi in the top 8 (other 2 were affinity).

  • @noesunyoutuber7680
    @noesunyoutuber7680Ай бұрын

    14:10 - Man, you can see from the footage how exhausted Eskeland was by the end. He doesn't even look that excited to have won the Pro Tour, he's just like "thank Christ, I don't have to play against any more Rebels."

  • @HungryOnPlane

    @HungryOnPlane

    Ай бұрын

    And he only lost to it once at the event LOL

  • @tante8074
    @tante8074Ай бұрын

    I already knew which top 8 you were talking about before watching the video hah

  • @PhyYuGiOh
    @PhyYuGiOh29 күн бұрын

    I was wondering why the presentation and voice sounded scarily similar! I love competitive coverage in card games, and you scratched that itch, I don’t even play MTG, I should add Cheers to Esports in card games!

  • @WorldofSoupS
    @WorldofSoupSАй бұрын

    I wonder if the results would be different if there werent so many hate cards for ruby storm clogging up decks and sideboards

  • @crouchek
    @crouchek12 күн бұрын

    Small correction, the 2nd set in masques block (Nemesis) had the Weapon logo, not the Gemstones logo, You got them in the wrong order at 8:30

  • @HungryOnPlane

    @HungryOnPlane

    10 күн бұрын

    That I did, I only wish I could say it was for engagement bait instead of the mistake it was LOL

  • @Necrotog82
    @Necrotog8229 күн бұрын

    I can relate too Kai Budde at the end, having started playing mtg in 1995 i made alot of friends just sitting down in the local game shop and playing.

  • @LibertyMonk
    @LibertyMonkКүн бұрын

    While I miss visiting a plane or stort for an entire block, nobody misses block constructed as a competitive format, especially this stupid "here's 2 of 3 sets" deal. It's fun in linited, but awful for constructed. I'm sold on Lin Sivvi being the worst pro tour, but I think most people add the "with a reasonable format/card pool", or more specifically "modern (or mixed but only with formats I know)" caveat. Because it feels like its cheating that they actually scheduled block tournaments before the block as designed existed, and those tournaments were often clunky.

  • @TheSmartCinema
    @TheSmartCinema29 күн бұрын

    what the hell, I clicked on the video just because I was curious, I never expected to come across the MTG channel of...... one of my favorite LoL caster of all time???!!! I didn't know you were into MTG, PastryTime!

  • @HungryOnPlane

    @HungryOnPlane

    28 күн бұрын

    Oh you know I've only being playing for 25 years LOL Magic is the only thing I've done longer than League...

  • @autobotjazz1972
    @autobotjazz197228 күн бұрын

    I did not play back then but i have heard about it this, in mirror matches it was just a race to to could get Lin Sivvi out first. Yeah if the legend rule was the same as back then Nadu would be even worse than it is now.

  • @shadowofseattle1338
    @shadowofseattle133821 күн бұрын

    Nothing is worse than Nadu! I cast witness protection on it when my opponent was tapped out with nothing but it, a bristly bill and a llanowar elves on the table... He proceeded to draw 5 lands on my turn, flicker nadu, and proceeded to draw 8 more cards on my turn He literally got 5 fucking lands on my second turn... because for some bullshit reason if you flicker it, it keeps going forever

  • @bedwablackburn
    @bedwablackburn23 күн бұрын

    I had a feeling you were going to talk about Sivvi.....

  • @inflatablefish921
    @inflatablefish92129 күн бұрын

    the moment you said "another three drop" I knew this was going to be about Lin Sivvi

  • @DesArthes

    @DesArthes

    27 күн бұрын

    It's not Lin Sivvi fault 🙂. Problem was bad legendary rule.

  • @nitiratp
    @nitiratp28 күн бұрын

    I was 16 when I opened a Rishadan Port and remember being disappointed that my rare was a land. And I loved my Rebels deck, I was lucky enough to get a Lin Sivvi too, and was the envy of all my friends ^_^