The WORST & BEST BAND in Every Subgenre!

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What is the best band in every subgenre? Mall emo, real emo, death metal, ska punk, black metal, shoegaze, metalcore and more.
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  • @FinnMckentyPRMBA
    @FinnMckentyPRMBA5 ай бұрын

    Come hang out in my Discord! discord.gg/9GbTq4d8Pe

  • @SuperTimtation

    @SuperTimtation

    5 ай бұрын

    Finn! Shirt Idea! "2006 Pete Wentz Fingers"!

  • @franktank4511

    @franktank4511

    5 ай бұрын

    Hey Finn. Would you ever consider doing a video about Jack Black?

  • @creepymcpeepers

    @creepymcpeepers

    5 ай бұрын

    You kicked me out though

  • @SailorGuy1477

    @SailorGuy1477

    5 ай бұрын

    Finn you sick duck

  • @ndhart3213

    @ndhart3213

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@SailorGuy1477why do you kinda sound like cave johnson?

  • @benjamineer3045
    @benjamineer30455 ай бұрын

    The eternal conflict between Technical Brutal Death Metal and Brutal Technical Death Metal (which are nothing alike of course) need to be resolved once and for all by trail by combat

  • @davidrichins6495

    @davidrichins6495

    5 ай бұрын

    Trail by combat sounds too tiring. I’m not a hiker.

  • @ZANGELIX1263

    @ZANGELIX1263

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@davidrichins6495nah nah nah. See, its whoever can eat the most trailmix. Us non-hikers have an advantage

  • @MySkilletfan

    @MySkilletfan

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@ZANGELIX1263dry?!?!?

  • @atvena

    @atvena

    5 ай бұрын

    Slamming...

  • @nigeltufnel7275

    @nigeltufnel7275

    Ай бұрын

    You should give Crossover Technical Brutal / Brutal Technical Death Metal a try, the two genres mix together better than you’d think

  • @edsheeran1243
    @edsheeran12435 ай бұрын

    You call yourself the punk rock MBA? Well you're right, because you're certainly not the brutal technical death metal MBA

  • @duddust

    @duddust

    5 ай бұрын

    gottem

  • @lbgtr87

    @lbgtr87

    5 ай бұрын

    I think you mean the Technical Brutal Death Metal MBA!

  • @AntonioLopez-bc6qg

    @AntonioLopez-bc6qg

    5 ай бұрын

    What does MBA stand for?

  • @robertwood3917

    @robertwood3917

    5 ай бұрын

    Master bachelor of arts

  • @morbideddie

    @morbideddie

    5 ай бұрын

    @@lbgtr87metallic brutal avant-garde. Which is ridiculous since we all know Finn is actually Brutal avant-garde metalcore. edit: Wrong person, @antonio.

  • @fdsfsdfsd1552
    @fdsfsdfsd15525 ай бұрын

    Wait, when exactly were the worst bands mentioned?

  • @keldonherriman
    @keldonherriman5 ай бұрын

    You should’ve said Deafheaven is the best black metal band ever just to make the black metal stans cry.

  • @draugarnatt3816

    @draugarnatt3816

    5 ай бұрын

    He rambled on about someone being "butthurt" for about 30 seconds because said person mildly criticized his BM video, I doubt anybody takes him seriously here.

  • @bbailey3055

    @bbailey3055

    5 ай бұрын

    @ghostfacekurdkillah4147how’s he a groomer?

  • @sinta_bique

    @sinta_bique

    5 ай бұрын

    people are still doing that? is it 2011 again?

  • @zenovixz9474

    @zenovixz9474

    5 ай бұрын

    Alcest is a better blackgaze band imo

  • @bbailey3055

    @bbailey3055

    5 ай бұрын

    @ghostfacekurdkillah4147 there’s a difference between 18 and 17 lmao

  • @rdunc1586
    @rdunc15865 ай бұрын

    Nicleback is the glue that binds all genres together … seven degrees of separation Chad Kroeger

  • @SconnerStudios

    @SconnerStudios

    5 ай бұрын

    No, MGK is. MGK created music so Nickelback could have a career.

  • @MrHamtits

    @MrHamtits

    5 ай бұрын

    HAURAKI FM

  • @MrHamtits

    @MrHamtits

    5 ай бұрын

    HAURAKI FM

  • @MrHamtits

    @MrHamtits

    5 ай бұрын

    HAURAKI FM

  • @MrHamtits

    @MrHamtits

    5 ай бұрын

    HAURAKI FM

  • @evgenymozgovsky
    @evgenymozgovsky5 ай бұрын

    Shoegaze sounds like a David Lynch movie soundtrack with heavy guitars

  • @hayes470

    @hayes470

    5 ай бұрын

    yes. I love it

  • @NFLDude56
    @NFLDude565 ай бұрын

    Those Promise Ring girls definitely got an A at their evening community college video editing class.

  • @Mofos_of_Metal
    @Mofos_of_Metal5 ай бұрын

    Can't wait to see whether Finn picks Keeper of the Seven Keys Part I or Part II for the Power Metal segment.

  • @hulluporo9067

    @hulluporo9067

    5 ай бұрын

    Part II is better.

  • @skulliomax

    @skulliomax

    5 ай бұрын

    I know I'll get shit for this, but I honestly think The Legacy is better. Maybe it's just because I like the more modern sound, but I'd take Gamma Ray over Helloweens early stuff. And I know Kai Hansen was in both!

  • @sevel7556

    @sevel7556

    5 ай бұрын

    The 17 minute solo really inspired me

  • @MetalGildarts

    @MetalGildarts

    5 ай бұрын

    Both are among the best albums ever.

  • @vonNachtmahr

    @vonNachtmahr

    5 ай бұрын

    Gamma Ray is better.

  • @lewismaclean8849
    @lewismaclean88495 ай бұрын

    Dude, first of all, awesome video. Secondly if you made a part two of this, I’ll definitely share it with my friends. Third, I would totally buy a book about Metalcore from you.

  • @irishspagetti6565
    @irishspagetti65655 ай бұрын

    I always thought the Used were the poster child of mall emo, they never got as big as FOB or mcr but I felt they had that veneer of classic emo while still being pretty mainstream

  • @joemiller7082

    @joemiller7082

    2 ай бұрын

    When I heard Take This To Your Grave and then From Under the Cork Tree, I immediately thought they reminded me of the Get Up Kids and Promise Ring, but with bigger hooks. And they were all in hardcore bands, which made it even more apparent. They’re simply a cut above the rest in cred.

  • @maxheilman5314
    @maxheilman53145 ай бұрын

    They’re only chasing safety is amazing full stop. So catchy and fun with just right right amount of aggression. Underoath just blows everyone else away.

  • @stg_tmc

    @stg_tmc

    5 ай бұрын

    Often imitated, never duplicated

  • @horizoniki

    @horizoniki

    5 ай бұрын

    100% agree

  • @littadnb.

    @littadnb.

    5 ай бұрын

    God tier album!

  • @darrenthetuber743

    @darrenthetuber743

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@stg_tmc even the band themselves didn't bother

  • @darrenthetuber743

    @darrenthetuber743

    5 ай бұрын

    I love the only song on this album to even hint at the bands Christianity was the last one, otherwise the lyrics are raw, bitter and cringy, like they are not flattering. Musically it's dynamic to oblivion, at the time probably the most polished and slickest recording for the genre up to that point

  • @robiu013
    @robiu0135 ай бұрын

    3:03 Finn has been looking at that post every day for the last 7 years

  • @jmfdm1
    @jmfdm15 ай бұрын

    Mayhem's Dead is one of the zombie backup dancers in the Candlemass video. The director went on to make videos for Madonna

  • @dictiustecare

    @dictiustecare

    5 ай бұрын

    Jonas Acklund also was in Bathory .

  • @TimSantillanes
    @TimSantillanes5 ай бұрын

    Not only do I listen to Shoegaze just for the song, but I make multiple playlists of Shoegaze music just for the songs. Eventually it becomes overwhelming, because I have a hard time deciding if it belongs in the heavy gaze playlists, or the doom gaze playlists, or maybe it needs to go into the black gaze playlists. Boy Shoegaze is just SOO complex! 😉

  • @thesecorridorsoftime

    @thesecorridorsoftime

    5 ай бұрын

    Haha insane! 👍✌️

  • @trevorjones4854

    @trevorjones4854

    5 ай бұрын

    Can you give me some good doomgaze and black gaze? Dead serious here

  • @carmen5984

    @carmen5984

    5 ай бұрын

    yes same I now have a 'heave shoegaze' playlist and a more mellow dream pop kinda playlist. and now also started one with more doom gaze but it is very overwhelming

  • @SPMinerva

    @SPMinerva

    5 ай бұрын

    @@trevorjones4854try check Deafheaven, MOL, Alcest, Bosse de Nage

  • @alexbernhardt56

    @alexbernhardt56

    5 ай бұрын

    @@trevorjones4854Brave Murder Day by Katatonia is my go to for doomgaze

  • @Interestingenough4
    @Interestingenough45 ай бұрын

    You should do a Vol 2, then, for stuff like butt rock, grunge, nu metal, pop-punk, skate punk, hardcore, goth rock, power metal, and Christian rock.

  • @marxman6896
    @marxman68965 ай бұрын

    My man really said Fugazi isn't good. Jesus Christ.

  • @chernobylcoleslaw6698
    @chernobylcoleslaw66985 ай бұрын

    Metalcore = Converge. Post-hardcore = At The Drive-In. Doom metal = Thou

  • @curtisbush5728
    @curtisbush57285 ай бұрын

    I'm gonna start a ska tribute to Alice in chains called SKAlice in Chains!

  • @Bedrockbrendan
    @Bedrockbrendan5 ай бұрын

    As an old doom metal fan, I think Candlemass definitely always belongs at the top of that list (even if they aren't someone's favorite Doom band, it is impossible to deny their dominance of the genre). I will say I also somewhat agree with your assessment of Doom. I am not as critical of it as you (there are definitely a lot of Doom bands I like), but I find I usually gravitate primarily to those earlier Doom metal bands like Candlemass, Solitude Aeturnus and Cathedral (as well as some of the proto doom bands). But after that, the genre crystalizes into something that captures much of the mood these bands were shooting for, while also losing any of my the attention these earlier bands were able to command. Also the subgenres of Doom got quite silly in my opinion. Not saying there aren't later bands I like, I do. But there is a lot that I can only listen to about a minute of before needing more variation. For me, the three I mentioned are all noteworthy for a variety of reasons. Candlemass you have covered, but they just had a real ear for songwriting, brought these operatic vocals that didn't veer into power metal territory (at least not in my opinion) and they had a sense of humor too. Plus they actually covered a lot of topics. Graves and gloom was part of that, but there was more (and they honestly tackled graves and gloom way better than later bands IMO, as you can see in a song like Epistle No. 81. Solitude Aeturnus is my favorite Doom metal band and a lot of it is the powerful and clean vocals of Robert Lowe, as well as the overall aesthetic of their melodies and chord progressions. Plus they got more into Christian themes, without being like Petra or Stryper. And they knew how to throw in very interesting harmonies on power chords that gave the songs a nice color. Cathedral I like because of Forest Equilibrium. I had many of their later albums and EPs (I particularly liked the Soul Sacrifice EP), but it is their debut that won me over. It is so slow, but within that they are able to find enormous variation and sound. I remember learning one of their songs very early on guitar and while it doesn't sound complex, it is surprisingly so. This was maybe the slowest album I had heard. But they had the good sense to not commit to that and to change up their sound after (I think they understood it would start to sound the same if they did it across all their albums). And I think that is sometimes the problem with doom that comes after this classic period: it very much has a tendency to sound the same. It often has a lot of high level technical skill and sound engineering skill, but it can be hard for me to really pick out individual songs as the genre advanced.

  • @raveygravey15
    @raveygravey155 ай бұрын

    I love that Finn’s picks for emo and post-hardcore sound like pop punk.

  • @conors4430

    @conors4430

    5 ай бұрын

    That’s what I thought.

  • @happybeejv
    @happybeejv5 ай бұрын

    Dude you never heard of mosscore? Its been around for years, it started as an underground scene in Springfield and dover in the mid 10s mixing element of crunkwave, space-yacht, yacht-goth, post-seapunk, mellowgrind, gothadelic dark-psy, and dankstep with such great artists as the chimichangas, the purple vapours, gyroscopic tea mangers, the chinchillas, the cosmic splazzoids, unmarked engines, and the deaf taxi drivers

  • @Korloko
    @Korloko5 ай бұрын

    Prime era FOB cranked out no-skip albums like Finn makes tier lists 🫡

  • @atomictoaster8013
    @atomictoaster80135 ай бұрын

    bro you’re such a cop

  • @FinnMckentyPRMBA

    @FinnMckentyPRMBA

    5 ай бұрын

    And?

  • @Fiveash-Art
    @Fiveash-Art5 ай бұрын

    I like Death, and Obituary more than Morbid Angel .. Morbid Angel was iconic death metal though. Surprised Death wasn't at least mentioned. weird

  • @joemiller7082

    @joemiller7082

    2 ай бұрын

    Death is the best Death Metal band. By a mile. IMO they’re so good, they transcend death metal. They’re just my favorite metal band, period.

  • @Fiveash-Art

    @Fiveash-Art

    2 ай бұрын

    @@joemiller7082 They're total prog .. I agree with you.

  • @hulluporo9067
    @hulluporo90675 ай бұрын

    Great video. I hope there will be a second one. I agree with you on Metalcore. Killswitch has the highest batting average in the genre. I'm not into Death Metal. There are only two albums that I like: Mercenary by Bolt Thrower and Human by Death. The whole Emo thing passed me by somehow. Probably because my oldest son was born in 2005 and so I had other priorities. Is it possible that Doom Metal is the only subgenre of Metal which hasn't evolved since its invention?

  • @mcbattledonk1383

    @mcbattledonk1383

    5 ай бұрын

    Anyone who says that about doom needs to listen to Conan

  • @RSFArocks

    @RSFArocks

    4 ай бұрын

    Nah, doom metal has evolved a LOT since it's invention. Type O Negative doesn't sound like Katatonia doesn't sound like Sunn O))) doesn't sound like EyeHateGod. Only traditional doom metal hasn't changed much since the whole point of it is to sound as much like the traditional 70s sound as possible.

  • @BAMEDIA_
    @BAMEDIA_5 ай бұрын

    Clearly doesn’t listen to shoegaze 😂😂

  • @springer90
    @springer905 ай бұрын

    Say's Sublime is the best ska punk band, but plays a song from them that's neither ska or punk.

  • @RedDevil_Joe

    @RedDevil_Joe

    4 ай бұрын

    I mean generally speaking that 90s American stuff that is considered ska punk just needs a new name 😂

  • @vonNachtmahr
    @vonNachtmahr5 ай бұрын

    Nothing wrong with Emperor Debut to be the best Black Metal release. If you think about the fact that these guys were only 18 at the time, it's actually pretty impressive.

  • @CoryPlaysDrums
    @CoryPlaysDrums5 ай бұрын

    There is something about Finn complaining about his mom then playing Underoath that hits in the Nostalgia 😆😭

  • @syntezjaofficial4240
    @syntezjaofficial42405 ай бұрын

    It's crazy that the most popular comment under Reinventing Your Exit video is related to FlatOut 2, this game had so great soundtrack

  • @MalMotorDedo
    @MalMotorDedo5 ай бұрын

    "Fugazi is not good" **Picks Underoath**

  • @BlackHowl1

    @BlackHowl1

    5 ай бұрын

    Plenty of silly errors in this video, but he lost any credibility with that absolute howler.

  • @rhysdavies6340

    @rhysdavies6340

    5 ай бұрын

    I was on board until this.. Fugazi are the 🐐 of post hardcore

  • @hunterking6033
    @hunterking60335 ай бұрын

    There are so many different eras now of Post-Hardcore. They're Only Chasing Safety by Underoath is definitely up there as the best album, but I'd also throw Let It Enfold You by Senses Fail, Full Collapse by Thursday, Tell All Your Friends and Where You Want to Be by Taking Back Sunday, Discovering the Waterfront by Silverstein, Saosin by Saosin, Dear Diary, My Teen Angst Has a Body Count by From First to Last, The Used by The Used, and Go West Young Man, Let the Evil Go East by Greeley Estates. I'd probably go with Senses Fail as the best Post-Hardcore band. I know some people would throw some of these bands into Real Emo or Mall Emo or some other genre, but all of them have roots from hardcore or early post-hardcore.

  • @lithostoic2008

    @lithostoic2008

    5 ай бұрын

    You just listed a bunch of my favorite albums 😂 nobody talks about Greeley Estates

  • @hunterking6033

    @hunterking6033

    5 ай бұрын

    @@lithostoic2008 IGreeley Estates was one of my favorites. One of my favorite live bands.

  • @thedappermagician6905

    @thedappermagician6905

    5 ай бұрын

    *politely rages in Alexisonfire*

  • @meghanbeverly837

    @meghanbeverly837

    5 ай бұрын

    Excellent choices, but I’d also Like to throw Finch and Glassjaw into the mix.

  • @hayes470

    @hayes470

    5 ай бұрын

    Rival Schools?

  • @joesmith8725
    @joesmith87255 ай бұрын

    Goth rock and darkwave has more punk rock, post punk. new wave roots, sound and influences. Gothic metal is moreso on the metal end.

  • @theangelbelow88
    @theangelbelow885 ай бұрын

    I love Shoegaze, but I definitely agree, it's more about hitting a vibe, rather than good song writing

  • @SquirrelSeb84

    @SquirrelSeb84

    5 ай бұрын

    Neil Halstead: “Am I a joke to you?”

  • @renatovillatoro4746

    @renatovillatoro4746

    5 ай бұрын

    Agree. The lyrics don't say much or don't make much sense if you read them carefully

  • @renatovillatoro4746

    @renatovillatoro4746

    5 ай бұрын

    Agree. The lyrics don't say much or don't make much sense if you read them carefully

  • @sethheverly960
    @sethheverly9605 ай бұрын

    Loved the video Finn, but I think it needs a companion video where you describe the finer points of what each genre “are”, cause some of these I had no clue what they were😅

  • @honyakey
    @honyakey5 ай бұрын

    Love you Finn! Your brilliant, hilarious, sharp, witty. Keep it goin!

  • @bilosdiogee410
    @bilosdiogee4105 ай бұрын

    In Finn’s recent car video I had to google what giga Chad and beta cuck mean. That’s what being old is all about. I wanna see a deep dive on the band nerf herder. I bet Perry would come on for an interview

  • @pathead9944
    @pathead99445 ай бұрын

    Operation ivy and mighty mighty bosstones > sublime

  • @austins.2495
    @austins.24955 ай бұрын

    They’re Only Chasing Safety is one of my favorite albums to this day. Glad to hear the shout out 🙏

  • @lifeiscreepingdeath
    @lifeiscreepingdeath5 ай бұрын

    Are Kilswitch even Metalcore? I thought they were more like the sort of Melodic Metalcore that came later? When I think of Metalcore I think of Hatebreed, Earth Crisis, Biohazard, early Machine Head, Madball, Bloodlet and Vision of Disorder.

  • @MrJordwalk

    @MrJordwalk

    5 ай бұрын

    That's right, Killswitch is Melodic Metalcore and one of the bands that pioneered it. Vanilla Metalcore is also stuff like Converge, Shai Hulud, Coalesce, Integrity (arguably).

  • @roflc0re
    @roflc0re5 ай бұрын

    Ska-Punk, what about Less Than Jake?

  • @EPILEPTICS
    @EPILEPTICS5 ай бұрын

    About the Shoegaze pick I think Finn has never listened to Slowdive

  • @erikberg8352

    @erikberg8352

    5 ай бұрын

    or Swervedriver

  • @polarbearoughey
    @polarbearoughey27 күн бұрын

    What was that website at the beginning of the video? I need it for my musical education.

  • @dreadiction
    @dreadiction5 ай бұрын

    Where i can get those list?

  • @Retro-2-now
    @Retro-2-now5 ай бұрын

    That “Doom” metal band should’ve been called Judas Monk with the outfits they were wearing

  • @TheUglyPants
    @TheUglyPants5 ай бұрын

    In high-school someone carved Morbid Angle into a desk. It wasn’t a math class…

  • @kalebseiler8577

    @kalebseiler8577

    5 ай бұрын

    What class was it?

  • @ericsiemens9891

    @ericsiemens9891

    5 ай бұрын

    I bet it was an elective like film studies

  • @atvena

    @atvena

    5 ай бұрын

    Clearly not an English class

  • @jcook693
    @jcook6935 ай бұрын

    Deicide Once Upon The Cross was my intro to extreme music in middle school and it still goes hard

  • @rebllion9866
    @rebllion98665 ай бұрын

    As a Swede. Real emo is Fireside and Shield. And yes that is hardcore scene mid and late 90ies..

  • @ghost_face
    @ghost_face5 ай бұрын

    To be fair, Pete Wentz was up on Mikey Way of MCR as well… 🤣

  • @queensofthedthrone8267
    @queensofthedthrone82675 ай бұрын

    Dopethrone by Electric Wizard is doom’s ONE uberly fantastic album (I never heard Candlemass’s second album, but Dopethrone is my favorite album amd every other doom metal album isn’t even in the top 500).

  • @benlazar6017

    @benlazar6017

    5 ай бұрын

    Check out the album Polar Fleet by Operator Generator. I’d describe it as one of the best Doom albums no one’s heard of.

  • @dahmersbraindrill9585

    @dahmersbraindrill9585

    5 ай бұрын

    Go listen to Come my fanatics by electric wizard, it’s just as good if not better than dopethrone

  • @queensofthedthrone8267

    @queensofthedthrone8267

    5 ай бұрын

    @@benlazar6017 will do!

  • @austins.2495

    @austins.2495

    5 ай бұрын

    Dopethrone is such a good album

  • @ossharkuenmeursault5609

    @ossharkuenmeursault5609

    5 ай бұрын

    isn't electric wizard stoner metal tho?

  • @brandonsgas
    @brandonsgas5 ай бұрын

    okay, the Jimmy Eat World shout-out made my day. Their 1999 album Clarity is banger after banger from start to finish.

  • @virgilflowers9846

    @virgilflowers9846

    5 ай бұрын

    I went back and relistened to Clarity a few months ago and found myself thinking it could be one of the best albums ever. The songwriting and performances are so great, and there isn’t a single bad tune on it

  • @lisajohnson521
    @lisajohnson5215 ай бұрын

    How long did it take you to put all these lists together?? Wow.

  • @FinnMckentyPRMBA

    @FinnMckentyPRMBA

    5 ай бұрын

    Sadly, not long at all lol

  • @dudleyhamby2029
    @dudleyhamby20295 ай бұрын

    I was truly lucky enough to see Sublime at the Hardback in Gainesville Florida. A very small, close, intimate environment club that should have been a landmark in Gainesville but was torn down. Gainesville Florida is just not the same.

  • @jimhimesjr

    @jimhimesjr

    4 ай бұрын

    Was mentioned in Thanx on 40oz. Pretty cool

  • @dudleyhamby2029

    @dudleyhamby2029

    4 ай бұрын

    @@jimhimesjr Yes it was. Very very cool show and very lucky to have been there to see it. Thanks for the reply. Truly hope all is well with you my friend. Be well.

  • @ultrasnail6927
    @ultrasnail69275 ай бұрын

    Saints Row 2 fans need to make peace with Saints Row 3 fans so we can all unite against Saints Row 4

  • @FinnMckentyPRMBA

    @FinnMckentyPRMBA

    5 ай бұрын

    🫡

  • @WastelandOniGaming
    @WastelandOniGaming4 ай бұрын

    I'm so glad you mentioned Morbid Angel. I swear I'm like the only person who knows them in my personal circle, haha. And I hear absolutely no one talk about them or mention them in metal genre vids. Morbid Angel is absolutely amazing 👏

  • @audreyazwell
    @audreyazwell5 ай бұрын

    IMO the best post-hardcore band was poison the well. Interestingly Thursday seemed to develop at the exact same time, both formed in 97, PtW in Fl & Thursday in NJ. To clarify I don't *like* Thursday but I find it incredibly interesting that both bands came out at the same time with VERY similar vibes only one went the heavy route (screamo even?) while the other leaned more into the direct emo route. As those two bands seems to be the pioneers of popularizing if not inventing the genre, it REALLY makes me wonder who their influences were, as it clearly had to be something similar. When you consider when those bands dropped, they were very ahead of the curve & changed rock music forever. I'd go as far as saying it was the beginning of the end for Nu-Metal, while we were still getting great newer Nu-Metal bands like Linkin Park or Disturbed, System of a Down, Slipknot, Chimera etc, only a few years later would the gate keepers push the heaviness out of the mainstream radio in favor of what I call "post nu-metal" bands like Breaking Benjamin & all that (watered down, safe-generic bands imo) which in turn violently shoved all of us into bands like Poison the Well & the likes. That was the moment people were forced to venture into underground music, thus starting the beginning of the end of mainstream rock. While we can also mention the hipster crab mentality, I believe it was THIS moment that actually popularized/normalized it. People were jaded & began to vehemently loathe anything remotely commercial. The mainstream machine absolutely created that monster. Wow that turned into a lot more than I expected tbh lol I guess I wanted to write it out as I don't really see people talking about it & I think it's a significant oversight in terms of rock music history...

  • @oliverbock5659

    @oliverbock5659

    5 ай бұрын

    Poison The Well are definitely Metalcore and would be in my Top Tier of Metalcore bands together with Converge (you can also call me Mathcore) and others.Thursday is a great pick. At The Drive In or Quicksand i could also choose for Post Hardcore.

  • @slayabouts
    @slayabouts5 ай бұрын

    "This is Fugazi, it's the guys from Minor Threat and Rites of Spring!" "Uggh, who would listen to this?" I would, Finn, gaw... I actually would love to watch you do a video shitting on Fugazi even though I like them

  • @mikehunt5926

    @mikehunt5926

    5 ай бұрын

    how could you not like they’re yelling

  • @slayabouts

    @slayabouts

    5 ай бұрын

    @@mikehunt5926 it’s not all yelling, there’s a lot of out of tune singing

  • @AmiliaCaraMia
    @AmiliaCaraMia5 ай бұрын

    Sigur Ros and Thomas Newman are some of my favorites writers because they write in a way that doesn't really worry too much about genre. There's something creatively freeing about making music just for the sake of doing it 🙌

  • @rj5822
    @rj58225 ай бұрын

    Surprisingly my gate way to heavy music was back in 2007 hearing Taking Back Sunday at American Eagle, and then seeing the guys from August Burns Red wearing Abercrombie and Finch

  • @GeekFurious
    @GeekFurious5 ай бұрын

    I'm 52 and people arguing with me about subgenres has cured my insomnia more times than Metallica has won a Grammy for pedestrian work.

  • @kendallmallon1763
    @kendallmallon17635 ай бұрын

    The best ever death metal band were "Satan's Fingers," and "The Killers," and "The Hospital Bombers"

  • @craigitr0n
    @craigitr0n5 ай бұрын

    Alice in Chains is the Sublime of Grunge.. Jerry Cantrell is such an incredible song writer much like Bradley Nowell minus the OD'ing on junk.

  • @MrJordwalk

    @MrJordwalk

    5 ай бұрын

    I saw Alice In Chains when the Blackdiamondskye Tour came to Toronto in 2008 I believe (either then or 2009, I've forgotten which), a show that remains the best I've ever been to because I found them after Layne died and didn't think I'd ever get to see them live, but they didn't only reunite and release an amazing album in "Black Gives Way To Blue"..... This Tour was all about incredible new albums, "Diamond Eyes" from Deftones and "Crack The Skye". JUST AN ABSOLUTE GOD TIER LINEUP.

  • @Vb98765

    @Vb98765

    5 ай бұрын

    What a horrible comparison

  • @ackyducc5040
    @ackyducc50405 ай бұрын

    I do like Killswitch, but there are definitely a handful of bands I would take over them. Trivium, converge, the dillinger escape plan, early avenged, and even some modern stuff like Spiritbox.

  • @meghanbeverly837

    @meghanbeverly837

    5 ай бұрын

    I think KsE was the pick just because of how BIG the band got comparitively… and it’s hard to argue about the absolute chokehold The End of Heartache had on the early 2000s.

  • @ryanrowe1975
    @ryanrowe19755 ай бұрын

    Great video

  • @jesusdelarosa1204
    @jesusdelarosa12045 ай бұрын

    At The Drive In is the best Post-Hardcore band....

  • @BlindingSun_

    @BlindingSun_

    5 ай бұрын

    This

  • @danielleclair1360
    @danielleclair13605 ай бұрын

    Finn I agree with your take on Sublime. The fact yoh dislike doom/sludge snd like emo/pop punk rattles my cage though. Solid list all in all though. My picks Emo-Mallcore: NOFX...sry Fatmike kek. Deathmetal: Bolt Thrower Ska: Can we do Proto? If we can I am going with The English Beat otherwise Id back you on Sublime. Doom: Electric Wizard hands down. Black Metal: Emperor...with you there. They slay. Trv Kvlt Shoegaze: Duster...BUT hear me out. Title Fights last album was basically a post punk shoegaze album and it was good. Just sayin' Metalcore: Unearth...but yeah Killswitch...Kind of hard to argue Killswitch.

  • @austin6071
    @austin60715 ай бұрын

    The best mall emo albums are by far: Taking Back Sunday- Tell All Your Friends Fall Out Boy - Take This To Your Grave Their subsequent commercial success after those albums definitely tainted my lenses as a fan, but I also think I’m correct that those later albums just weren’t as good. For the less well known bands, I’m still flabbergasted that Diffuser’s 2000 album injurylovesmelody isn’t more widely known.

  • @bbailey3055

    @bbailey3055

    5 ай бұрын

    Oh purrr girl

  • @Lurch350Z
    @Lurch350Z5 ай бұрын

    As a guitar gear nerd I love shoegaze, and your comments about pedalboards is dead on.

  • @qwertyforwen2342
    @qwertyforwen23425 ай бұрын

    Nickleback is my favorite death metal band

  • @eetuhiltunen9911

    @eetuhiltunen9911

    4 ай бұрын

    Death metal with a slight twist

  • @Bloods2006
    @Bloods20065 ай бұрын

    They’re Only Chasing Safety is top tier. Definitive best post hardcore album. After UO made the album they were actually pissed that it didn’t come out as heavy as they’d like. Which is why they went very heavy and leaned into less pop influence on Define the Great Line.

  • @cookingwithvince
    @cookingwithvince5 ай бұрын

    I can definitely say that we disagree on some of our music taste Finn but honestly say when it comes to music overall, you are one of the most knowledgable people I know.

  • @robertmclaren5711
    @robertmclaren57115 ай бұрын

    Mall emo: AFI Emo: Rites of spring or Husker Du(might not count) Death Metal: Carcass Ska punk: Real Big Fish(fond memories of Basketball💗sorry not sorry) Doom metal: Black Sabbath Black Metal: Imperial Triumphant or Liturgy Shoegaze: If Deftones don't count then: My bloody Valentine or the new Slowdive record ("Vibe music" are like the cat people of music, "catchy music with good hooks" are like the dog people music). I prefer to vibe personally but you do you. Post Hardcore: three way tie: Fugazi, At the drive, The Refused. Metalcore: Killswitch early work is overall better, it cliché to claim to hate this genre but wow is it all about the formula. This a hooks over vibe kind of genre and its a little meh to me.

  • @Retro-2-now
    @Retro-2-now5 ай бұрын

    You asked what we would pay to be Pete Wentz’s fingers in 2006. Well, jokes on you because Pete is still paying for medications due to where his fingers were in 2006 😂

  • @bushleague3472
    @bushleague34725 ай бұрын

    I think Sublime is great, but I just dont consider them Ska Punk. The Police were more ska-punk than Sublime. IMO Sublime was just one of those oddball 90's bands that didnt fit anywhere, so they got stuck with the Ska label. I would call them the Nirvana of reggae, and if you listen to any modern reggae its got more Sublime DNA than Bob Marley.

  • @concretefinisher57
    @concretefinisher574 ай бұрын

    There is also the argument for August Burns Red as best Metalcore band being as they did win a Grammy, and have gone platinum

  • @dubiousdaydream1695
    @dubiousdaydream16955 ай бұрын

    honestly curious now what screamo actually is and where the line is between that and post-hardcore. There is a genre out there somewhere that's actually called screamo right? Circle takes the squere maybe? But how's that so differnt from underoath...

  • @robertoalvarez5652
    @robertoalvarez56525 ай бұрын

    I loved hearing your thoughts on music genres. Hopefully in the next installment, we'll get to hear who you think is the best Soundcloud/EmoRap artist. My pick will always be Lil Lotus, mostly because he's the one who made me enjoy, discover, and appreciate the genre as a whole, and I have you to thank for that. The only reason I discovered Lil Lotus and If I Die First was because of your videos, so thank you.

  • @FinnMckentyPRMBA

    @FinnMckentyPRMBA

    5 ай бұрын

    Peep is the goat, no question

  • @pekerhed101
    @pekerhed1015 ай бұрын

    Most of the planet doesn't live in Seattle and Portland, so we're still aloud to say that Underoath is gay AF.

  • @benzedrine5314

    @benzedrine5314

    5 ай бұрын

    😆

  • @AgarwaenClips
    @AgarwaenClips3 ай бұрын

    I've been seeing a lot of this "metal tier list" videos last week. KZread thinks I am reely into in, apparently. But most times i was disagreeng with them i didn't understand wtf with dudes's taste. But i've wathed few or yours, and its really clicked. Like you know some ancient stuff, and don't despise new music. When you had choosen "They’re Only Chasing Safety" as yor post-hardcore pick - i wascompletely sold. Like + sub. Good shit

  • @tubbsthabarber4507
    @tubbsthabarber45075 ай бұрын

    How do you feel about Title Fight?

  • @Lucifermorningstar21
    @Lucifermorningstar215 ай бұрын

    Millenial men are lost and aimless. We NEED structure. And thats why these 'wikipedia entry' style videos do so good. It's tapping into our subconcious need for structure. Its the same reason people (millenial men) want fantano to do. 'Classic reviews DUDE REVIEW SOME CLASSICS REVIEW KING CRIMSON OOOOO' Also this kind of content is very easy to comsume its not like trying to listen to 'challenging music' ala swans throbbing Gristle etc you can just sit back and watch without thinking too much I'm no better YOU NEED STRUCTURE BOY

  • @FinnMckentyPRMBA

    @FinnMckentyPRMBA

    5 ай бұрын

    You speak facts

  • @ihavealife002
    @ihavealife0025 ай бұрын

    Always good to see Underoath get some love. Seems like they're always overlooked. And considering the huge impact they had on the scene in the mid 2000's and their solid catalogue, and not to mention how fucking good they are live, it seems a little strange.

  • @_Xypes_

    @_Xypes_

    5 ай бұрын

    @@stg_tmcthey have since disassociated a bit, but bands do get unlucky tbf, and there’s a lot of christian metalcore

  • @greeksdorok

    @greeksdorok

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@stg_tmc im not christian and it never deterred me from liking define the great line in particular. I enjoy the singles from theyre chasing safety but that album is a little too screamo for me. Define the greatline was thunder in a bottle and their golden age. They just kind of fell off aftwr which is why theyre not talked about anymore...

  • @OfficerBobbie
    @OfficerBobbie5 ай бұрын

    Sublime is not “frat boy music” I grew up and live in Long Beach, it’s beach bum music. I grew up surfing and all the old heads and beach bums listened to Sublime and LBDA all the time.

  • @Duality_of_Man
    @Duality_of_Man5 ай бұрын

    Saying Killswitch isn't the best Metalcore band, is like saying Pantera isn't the best Power Groove band... it's blasphemy

  • @Ructions
    @Ructions5 ай бұрын

    Goatswitch engage are the best band in the history of music. Nevermind the best in metalcore

  • @loganpeters7543
    @loganpeters75435 ай бұрын

    I'm here for my drug dealer best friend.

  • @TWProductions90
    @TWProductions905 ай бұрын

    Still wild how Underoath openly say they borrowed tons of stuff from jimmy eat world for TOCS. Chris has made several IG posts on his stories going through bits and pieces they got from them

  • @RedDevil_Joe
    @RedDevil_Joe4 ай бұрын

    8:10 we definitely need a new name for that genre that then means 90s American ska punk, because ska punk is really The Specials, The Beat, even The Clash at times

  • @SconnerStudios
    @SconnerStudios5 ай бұрын

    Best in every subgenre should be MGK, as he is an artistic visionary who encompasses all genres of music. Sublime? No, MGK rules ska punk. Nirvana? No, MGK rules grunge. BTS? No, MGK rules K-pop.

  • @alucardthebloodleech5293
    @alucardthebloodleech52935 ай бұрын

    I'm sorry (not sorry) but both Mike and Mckenty are wrong. The best ska punk band ever was Choking Victim and in turn, Leftover Crack

  • @thelastdaybreathinginetern1385
    @thelastdaybreathinginetern13855 ай бұрын

    Wow he mentioned my favorite subgenre of Metal right from the getgo. Technical Death Metal is my favorite subgenre. Archspire being my favorite band!

  • @muosda1
    @muosda14 ай бұрын

    "what would you pay to live just a single day as 2006 pete wentz's fingers?" Is such a fall out boy song title

  • @coreybuck3428
    @coreybuck34285 ай бұрын

    Sublime is a terrible choice for ska-punk. My dad would probably say Sublime. The correct answer is: LTJ, RBF, Fishbone or MMB. Finn should really not comment on ska-punk, he obviously doesn't know or like that genre of music. I love Finn's channel, I've just always found his take on ska-punk kind of dismissive and frustrating.

  • @jkbezo1

    @jkbezo1

    5 ай бұрын

    You are right, Sublime is reggae rock like 311. Reggae is slower Caribbean music. Ska has more horns and upbeat Caribbean music. Ska punk a fusion of punk and ska. Bands like Fishbone, Mighty Bosstones, Goldfinger, No Doubt, Reel Big Fish, Rancid, Less than Jake, etc

  • @alanmay6172
    @alanmay61725 ай бұрын

    So mainstream for saying sublime

  • @comebackkid625
    @comebackkid6255 ай бұрын

    I tuned out of this video for a minute or so to send an email and all I hear as it comes back into focus is " But nobody ever asks about the black wizards"

  • @FinnMckentyPRMBA

    @FinnMckentyPRMBA

    5 ай бұрын

    They feel so left out 😥

  • @sasquatl
    @sasquatl5 ай бұрын

    The best doom metal band is probably Trouble. But I do like Candlemass too. The best black metal band in my opinion is Dimmu Borgir.

  • @dprice81
    @dprice815 ай бұрын

    Sublime best of ska punk?? I dont hear any punk and also dont hear amy horns so maybe hornless guitar ska but ska punk, hell no. Op ivy has ska and punk sounds so id say Mike is more correct

  • @joesmith8725

    @joesmith8725

    5 ай бұрын

    Sublime isn't even ska punk. They are reggae rock. lol. You are correct.

  • @slowboy1236
    @slowboy12365 ай бұрын

    Prime Killswitch with Howard Jones is untouchable.

  • @mykuntstynx9463

    @mykuntstynx9463

    5 ай бұрын

    Agreed. But don't say that on the latest Bloodstock live footage. The Jesse fans will have an aneurysm.

  • @frankiefadda
    @frankiefadda5 ай бұрын

    Write the book!! I’ll buy it🤙🏼

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