.357 Maximum in a short light Rifle? Yes Sir, sign me up. Home Defense, Hogs, Plinking & the occasional Deer.

The "tacticool" version will probably be marketed as 350 Urban Legend.

@paulsimmons5726

4 жыл бұрын

Now that's funny!

@ewetho

4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately that is the tacticool version William.. the 357 Max is the old school version

@mckwilly

4 жыл бұрын

🤣👍

@philyamascunt7518

4 жыл бұрын

The 350 Wives Tale will soon follow

@mountainhobo

4 жыл бұрын

"350 Urban Legend" -- Brilliant.

Mr Gunblue Sir. It's time I say hello and share a thought and a thank you. I spend very little time online at all, and you are my number 1 hands down. This one sure excited me I couldn't agree more, great job. I love it. So thank you very much and best wishes.

Thanks again GB...wishing you and your the best this new year-

The opening to this one had me flat HOWLING! Great opening and it only got better. Thank you for all your work.

I wish I had this gentleman as a neighbor. I'd find an excuse to listen to him on daily basis.

@mountainhobo

4 жыл бұрын

I'd find out what his favorite drink is that relaxes him and makes him talk, and I would buy a container of it. ;)

2023 update on my experience with 350 Legend. I have used in the past 30-30 (my go-to rifle), 7mm-08, 243 (great deer round), 30-06, 65.x55, and a couple others in 47 years of hunting all sizes of North American game animals. In the last 3 years since I picked up a Ruger Ranch in 350 Legend. I have taken in one shot, 3 - 250+lb whitetail bucks, 3 does, 2 Black Bears, and a Bull Moose who dropped in on me when I was hunting deer. All deer dropped on the spot (under 150yds) which has never happened before. The 2 black bears ran at most 40yds before dropping. The moose took one in the engine room and one in the shoulder which is my standard moose shot after 23 moose. Not one moose ever dropped in one engine room shot. We always put one int he shoulder to immobilize it. The lethality of this round is now unquestioned by me and our group. I can say with real field experience this is the most ethical round I have used. The 150gr XP Winchester drops deer on impact. The 180gr Super-X Winchester drops bear and moose as well as any calibre I've taken those animals with. The real bonus is 8lb recoil, 16" -18 inch barrels and super lightweight rifles. It is without question the most accurate round I have ever shot. I have 4 different manufacturers bullets I use and every one is far less than 1MOA. The beauty of this round due to recoil is its incredible accuracy. If there is one rifle that every person should have in the safe is a 350 Legend bolt action. My hunting camp crew all agree. They have flipped to it with the same incredible results.

Hello Sir, Welcome back to you. Delighted as always to be educated by your knowledge. I usually say... First on the Frontier First on the Firing Line Winchester, It is Your Hertiage I guess I will have to add... Sometimes Last on Facts.... Thank you for sharing, the best part for me was that you have taught about sectional density and I knew the number! 240's 👍 It looks like for lower Michigan, the Ruger American .450 Bushmaster is still the best choice for deer using a limited range straight wall cartridge. We have it accurate out to 300 yards and then gravity rules. With regard to recoil, it is equal to a standard 20 guage, very manageable, my wife loves it. Best to you and your family, continued prayers for Benny. God Bless, Rick Mansberger

@GunBlue490

5 жыл бұрын

Rick, thank you. I'm intrigued by your wife's conclusion about the Bushmaster's recoil, given that it is typically listed with 30-06 recoil figures. It's one round I have not used, so I have no literal comparison. And that's with a light American?

@rickmansberger4136

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunBlue490 We give it about the same recoil as a .20 guage which is what Ruger said it would be. Some like to lessen it more with a a muzzle brake which now it comes with one installed. The original 450's from Rady's Gun Shop in Bad Axe, Mi had the muzzle brake as an option. It is a very hot setup for lower lower Michigan whitetail Hunters because of shotgun only rules until the the straight walled cartridges were allowed 2 years ago. Here are the specs on the firearm. You would like it because you are a Ruger man. RUGER AMERICAN RIFLE® RANCHO MODEL NUMBER: 16950 CALIBER: 450 BUSHMASTER StockFlat Dark Earth Synthetic SightsNone-Scope Rail Installed Barrel Length16.12" MaterialAlloy Steel Capacity3 MagazineSingle-Stack Twist1:16" RH FinishMatte Black Weight5.5 lb. Thread Pattern11/16"-24 Overall Length36" Length of Pull13.75" Grooves5 Suggested Retail$599.00 Ergonomic, lightweight synthetic stock designed for quick, easy handling blends a classic look with modern forend contouring and grip serrations. Ruger Marksman Adjustable™ trigger offers a crisp release with a pull weight that is user adjustable between 3 and 5 pounds, allowing shooters to make that perfect shot. The one-piece, three-lug bolt with 70° throw provides ample scope clearance and utilizes a full diameter bolt body and dual cocking cams for smooth, easy cycling from the shoulder. Patent-pending Power Bedding®, integral bedding block system positively locates the receiver and free-floats the barrel for outstanding accuracy. Offers minute-of-angle accuracy that can make every hunt a success. Compact threaded barrel (11/16"-24 thread pattern) with Ruger® Muzzle Brake is cold hammer-forged, resulting in ultra- precise rifling that provides exceptional accuracy, longevity and easy cleaning. Features a visible, accessible and easy-to-actuate tang safety that provides instant security. Single-column detachable box magazine. Soft rubber buttpad is crafted for maximum recoil reduction. Factory-installed one-piece aluminum scope rail. Also includes - magazine; sling swivel studs

One of your best yet, truthful, theoretically correct, enjoyed listening to a straight shooter. Rare today.

Hope your Leg gets to feeling better soon. 😂. Your point is this....Don’t run with the Masses, because sometimes the “M” is silent. God Bless.

Thank you for sheading some light and not blowing smoke. Another excellent video my friend!

My 350L load is 28.9gr lilgun with the Hornady 170sp...getting 2485 m/v out if a faxon 20" 1:16 twist printing well inside an inch at 100 yards. There are other alternative cartridges for use in the straight walled cartridge only area where I live, but none shoot as flat as my 350L handload.

It was released for the AR-15 market. It is only a viable option for those platforms and for the straight wall restricted states. For everyone else it is of no consequence or value as the market is already flooded with capable calibres of which we generally already have one if not multiple versions.

@GunBlue490

4 жыл бұрын

Very true. Winchester thinly disguised their agenda by releasing it chambered for their bolt action, having no AR rifle of their own, at least at this time. If their true intent was to satisfy the need for folks who are restricted to straight wall cartridges, with ample power and sectional density for deer sized game, they would have designed a round using a case of correct dimensions that truly has that honest capacity, not a half baked one that conveniently fits an AR-15 magazine. Energy alone without sectional density is just a number. What is most disgusting to me is that nobody in the world knows about bullet sectional density requirements on game better than Winchester (Fabrique Nationale). To place this round on par with the well established killing performance of the (imagine, their own!) 30-30 is snake oil quackery. As you said correctly, we already have a slew of highly capable straight wall cartridges, including their own 375 Winchester that they've ignored for decades.

Love it Mr. Gunblue thrilled to see benny is well. It be cool if you can make an in depth video on Turkey loads, guns, chokes etc for the upcoming spring season.

@christinamoneyhan5688

5 жыл бұрын

My two cents, I been hunting Turkeys since the early 1970s before all the hype of hunting them started. Here is a load for you but, pattern it out of your shotgun . 30" circle at 30 yards. Yes 30 yards no more. You are looking for a shot pattern with out a lot of areas not covered tightly with the shot draw a normal size Turkey head and neck on the paper that's what you will be shooting at for a clean kill. You will also try different companies loads due to there performance till you find what works to your satisfaction. That's as far as anyone should be shooting at a Turkey. Standard 12gauge full choke 26" or longer barrel, and your shells should be #6 with 11/4 ounce load. Shoot for the head only. You will take the bird leanly with that shot placement. If you cannot get to within 30 yards 40 maximum then come back and hunt them another day. Happy hunting. Hope this helps you.

The 350 Legend is competing with the 6.5 Grendel, 25-45 Sharps, 6.8 SPC, 300 Blackout, 223 and other AR conversion ammo. It has the market mentioned in the video for states that have the straight wall requirement, which is probably meant to limit range in deer rifles. It's a middleweight cartridge for shooting deer at short range and I suspect it will be around for a while due to low price and mild recoil.

Common sense vs. consensus and marketing! You have the most honest videos and one of the few channels that gains my trust!

I always appreciate your content..

Great analysis as always. Thank you for another great lesson in reality!

In my home state of Michigan, which I live half the time from about central Michigan to Norther Michigan we can hunt with any caliber you want, which is nice. But from southern to central Michigan we are kind of screwed and only limited to 44 magnum or up to a 450 BM,shotgun/muzzle loader, and now looks like we can now legally use this new 350 Legend caliber. Maybe I will get 1 of these rifles now. Thanks for bringing this to my attention GunBlue490.

Your awesome bud. Just a weld of knowledge. Thank you for doing what you do. I learn so much from your channel.

Great video as always! Thank you for the breath of fresh air. When I was hearing about this cartridge I though wow, the marketing department worked overtime here. Simple lesson here...physics.

I knew that there was a smell coming from some where. Great info as always. Take care.

Watched a podcast that had a Winchester rep. He said all the figured were from a 20" barrels, not the standard 24" barrels. The .350 Legend was made for a 20" barrel from what was said.

Just took a 350 Legend hunting. Shot a hog approx 175 to 180 pounds, 180 gr winchester grey box factory ammo. Went straight through hit both lungs.exit wound as about 2 inches. Approx. 160 yards. It was designed for states that CANNOT shoot shouldered cartridges. It doesnt kick at all. It is good to 200 yards. Just my personal experience with it in the field. Reading a bunch of number without actually testing it is bogus.

@garythomas2735

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you i kill a 7 point with Winchester 150gr & a black bear with Winchester 180gr. The 7 point was a bought 165 to 180 yards away dropped him & the black bear didn't even go 15 yards. So I agree do some testing before you try to talk crap on something number mean nothing until you test it for yourself.

I purchased a Ruger American Ranch 16in 350 Legend and I am really happy with it. I will say this much about it. It is a 150 yard round, it's recoil is really mild, it's not terribly expensive to shoot with 147gr fmj, and It makes a good "truck gun" for my needs. 10 round mags are plenty in a bolt action and keep the weight down. It all boils down to needs and philosophy of use. I knew going into buying the rifle that it was a brush gun and use it as such. It also makes a damn fine range "toy" with just a decent red dot or holo sight. I am really glad to see this video because it really hits the nail on the head about the bogus marketing schemes involved. 350 Legend is a great cartridge and I do hope it sticks around for a while but people just have to have the truth about what it is and it's limitations. Cheers, God bless, be safe.

P.S. Great video Gunblue. This video reminded me of a tough time I had in the woods once, a long while back.

How I’m just now finding out about this man truly baffles me... What a guy!!

Great analysis, when I first saw the article in the American Rifleman I had two thoughts; 1 A big 30 carbine round and 2 A souped up 351 self loading round. What goes around comes around. Keep up the good work.

Apples to apples did you check the 30/30 ballistics from a 20" barrel which is a typical length vs the 24-26" test barrel?

Thanks Gunblue for not completely disregarding this cartridge I live in Michigan and we have that law in regards to only being able to used shotguns in certain zones I believe this cartridge is gonna be real fun for load development and casting especially seeing that you can used .357 molds I mean honestly the combinations are vast and yes Sir you did in fact hit the nail on the head with the AR crowd that enjoys hunting with said configuration with that being said what would you recommend for a good straight walled case that meets the requirements for Michigan other then the 350 legend because right now really all that’s available would be the .357mag and 44mag and really there is only a few offerings for decent platforms to shoot those out of my first choice was gonna be the Ruger 77/44 now that’s a nice bolt action I can get behind thing is Ruger discontinued that model then you have the lever action rigs and those are nice to only problem is with those you can’t get a good one nowadays with out a safety you have to go used and since the DNR ( DNR=department of natural resources) has opened up the restrictions in the shotgun zones those types of rifles have skyrocketed it’s really ridiculous so with all that being said I definitely have to look at this cartridge

@dudeoutdoors6441

5 жыл бұрын

I am not GunBlue, just a friendly passer by. Michigan requires straight wall? It would make sense, with so many people...but who could blame them? Michigan is just so dang beaitiful! As to cartridge, I've heard buffalo bore and hornady make great loads. As to finding a good quality lever action, sans safety these days...

@scottb.8250

3 жыл бұрын

In Maryland they just put straight walls in use as most of the states with the exception of a few counties were shotgun only. I looked at the 350 and a couple of others but I don't worry too much about recoil yet so I will stick with the Savage 210F and a Winchester Partition Supreme Sabot at 385gr and I am easily good out to 175yds. Devastating with mid shoulder shots. Will maybe to look at one of these la

The states that are now requiring Non-Lead bullets (California) for all hunting. For hunters that reload, there's not a lot of available options. Especially for the hunter who shoots a 35 caliber or a 32 Special Winchester. What's your thoughts on the Non-lead bullets available and what differences are there vs common lead bullets as far as reloading them? Thanks for your time..

This is a two year old video, but what is your opinion on a 180gr hc gc bullet? I saw factory velocities around 2150fps with a 180gr bullet. That seems like it would be a good under 200y cartridge.

I’m wondering if they were comparing the .30-30 fires out of common length barrels (not the test barrel lengths used prior) and then compared the energy

Thank you for being so straight forward. I think that manufactures do themselves harm with inflated claims. Many cartridges come and go, ultimately, real hunters figure out pretty fast what works and what does not work. I personally do penetration tests as part of my recreational shooting (I have a little range in a gravel pit on my farm) and have come to appreciate the effect of bullet construction and a host of other variables when it comes to penetration. I am sure that others do the same. Before too long, someone will do real world testing on the 350 Legend, penetration, velocity etc. and put it on KZread. I do not need a straight walled cartridge to hunt deer in my area so it won't be me.

Good, honest, and frank review of this cartridge. I appreciate that your BS detector is working, and I am unhappy that Winchester has resorted to selective marketing. Keep up the good work.

They are talking about shooting both ammos from a 20 inch barrel, the 30 30 figures on the site are from a 24 inch barrel.

@GunBlue490

5 жыл бұрын

Irregardless of barrel length and velocity, the sectional density of the 30-30 is far superior in penetration, which Winchester is well aware of, and of which they are concealing from folks quite cleverly for marketing purposes. Penetration by virtue of sectional density is the vastly superior indicator of killing power and they know it better than anyone, because they built the 270 upon it.

@anthonyperotti151

3 жыл бұрын

Sectional density is a mathematical determination...not necessarily a true tell-tale of penetration and killing ability. By mathematics...a bumblebee shouldn’t be able to fly. Shot placement and terminal performance/bullet construction is more the determining factor of a bullet’s ability to kill.

Thanks for your input I live in Michigan lower just got a 450 to use two weeks later I thought I might have made a mistake after watching your video I am ok with the 450 I could not see how that round could out perform 30-30 in rifle zone I am a 270 guy if you have time would love to hear what you think of 450 god bless you and your family thanks

@capt.shaffer8655

5 жыл бұрын

John King 450 kicks ass

I love hearing your knowledge and that you are straight up honest with facts and your opinions.. I love the 30-30 and retired mine once I got ahold of a 375win I wish Winchester would have done something to bring it back but the 350 will fit more platforms and I understand they will make more with that over bringing back something old. But I come from the state of mind if it ain't broke dont fix it.

Great information as always Thank you stay warm

CONFIRMS THE OLD SAYING, LIARS CAN FIGURE, BUT FIGURES CAN'T LIE! THANK YOU SIR!

@coreypotter1193

4 жыл бұрын

except their are already tons of videos that just show he is babbling about his own fears. it is a beautiful round

@grunt-0311

4 жыл бұрын

potter it has a niche and undoubtedly performs well in said niche. But I've used 30-30 and 243 for decades, the numbers given are not accurate, plain and simple.

@nathanlambshead4778

4 жыл бұрын

@@coreypotter1193 You seriously think this man has 'fears'? Time to get a few years under your belt.

I didn't pay any attention to any marketing hype, because I am not going to be hunting deer with this cartridge. I am going to be using it for coyotes, plinking, and as a subsonic round for varmints. It will be a minimal expense to build an upper for an AR, and there are a number of attractive and inexpensive bolt action rifles. The Ruger American uses AR pattern magazines which are available in short 5 and 10 round versions as well as 20 round versions. As a bonus I can use .355 and .357 bullets I already have. Winchester made a deliberate choice to not use .358 bullets, which I wholeheartedly applaud. I am also confident there will be plenty of factory loadings available in the near future that will take plenty of deer.

What cartridge would you recommend in the AR-15 platform for taking deer sized game?

@GunBlue490

4 жыл бұрын

If I were to use an AR-15 for deer, I would choose the 6.8 Remington SPC or the 6.5 Grendel. The 6.8 is a .270 bore diameter, though the limitation of short bullets reduces its sectional density, so I'd go with a very strong bullet rather than a ballistic tip. The 50 Beowulf is more powerful, but unnecessary in terms of ammo cost and recoil for deer. Frankly, I'm rather perplexed about the use of an AR-15 for deer, unless it's the only gun a person has. Its advantage of firepower is nullified by most state laws which restrict magazine capacity to five shots, and the selection of really suitable calibers is limited to cartridges that generally have marginal penetration, bore size, and limited range. I am an AR-15 owner and enjoy shooting it often, and I have much praise for it as a worthy target and defense rifle, with combat experience with it in Vietnam, but honestly, it's the last gun I'd take on a deer hunt for a basketful of reasons. I know that's not a popular opinion, but I believe that a gun should fit the required ammo and hunting conditions, not the other way around.

Great info. as always. I so enjoy and learn from you Sir. God bless.

Thank you! Finally someone with some knowledge with an unbiased opinion! Was looking for some more info and you delivered thank you!

when i saw Bennie running in the snow with you plowing it made me smile. My Shadow getting old now and might be facing a decision this year. good video as always.

@MegaBait1616

5 жыл бұрын

this was made also so you can use a AR platform nothing more. The states that only can hunt with straight wall cases don't usually let you hunt with semi.'s. either. a .357 rifle would be a better choice in my opinion.

I'm curious about the barrel length for these charts. It's an important aspect of the calculation.

I've been looking at the 357 Remington Maximum cartridge for use in my TC Encore with a rifle configuration. Give the availability advantage of 350 Legend ammunition, I'm now wondering if this may be a better choice. In the same barrel length and bullet weight, how do the 2 cartridges compare? Do you see any advantages for either cartridge in a rifle considering case designs and reloading factors?

@GunBlue490

3 жыл бұрын

They are peas in a pod ballistically, and though I have no specific data, I presume their relative performance would be similar in different barrel lengths. However, I would prefer a rimmed cartridge in an Encore for more consistent headspacing without reliance on maintaining exact trim length. Most successful Encore cartridges are either rimmed or have standard bottleneck headspace, so I'd go with the Maximum.

@jerryreynolds8151

3 жыл бұрын

Thak you for the feedback. Great channel 👏

Winchester, if I remember correctly, used 20” barrels in their tests, instead of the normal factory test length of something like 26-28”.

I recently picked up a savage axis ii xp in the 350 Legend... it's pleasant to shoot the rifle with a scope is lighter than my Winchester 94... and it's just about the same length due to the 18 inch barrel. Now... for me I wanted something light short don't beat me up and is accurate. It definitely fills the bill. I'd say it's a perfect caliber for woods hunting and it's pleasant to shoot!

@blackie1of4

3 жыл бұрын

I bagged a big bodied pennsylvania eight point this past season.. complete pass through... and he stumbled thirty yards to his death bed. My brother's nephew downed a huge 10 point with his... his snow plowed twenty yards to his death bed. My opinion is if you want a short lightweight carbine rifle that points fast and the ammo is inexpensive get yourself one. It will knock the snot out of the biggest buck in the woods inside of 100 yards!

Have you looked into the Hornady 170 grain power point I only ask cause now I somewhat feel bad I took 3 deer last year between 170 yards and just over 220 and it did really well but if it’s not ethical to take them at that range I would like to know that is above my knowledge level I do know the bullet density is like .218 or something like that but I would appreciate feed back sir thank you.

For those who live in strait wall cartridge areas who only own an AR but want to try and hunt deer out to 150 yards, buying an upper in this may be a decent budget way to start. If they decide to stick with hunting, strongly suggest getting a dedicated deer rifle.

Great and useful information. I was jumping on the bandwagon and after watching your video, decided to do more research into solid hunting rounds. Thanks!

Thanks for the review. I live and hunt in Ohio (straight walled rifle calibers only for deer) and I just picked up a Savage 110 in .350 Legend. So far I like how it shoots, it seems accurate enough at 100 yards, and I just made some reloads for it today with 9 mm bullets I had. Hopefully I'll have a chance to shoot a deer with it this fall. I'm retired LE myself and I really appreciate the no BS, straight forward information you present. Makes me feel like I'm back at the academy for an in-service class!

I was suspicious of it when footage from SHOT Show started to come out. Seems Winchester needed a new product to spark some interest in the company again. Perhaps it will work out decently for some, but I suspect this will be yet another "All Talk, No Walk" cartridge ala .224 Valkyrie from last SHOT Show. Thanks for your incite on this. I always enjoy the wealth of knowledge you impart in each video.

Good morning would you be able to give some knowledge on the Winchester short Magnum rounds such as the 270 WSM 7 mm WSM and 300 WSM I have been looking at the 7 mm WSM but not sure yet on what to get thanks.

@GunBlue490

5 жыл бұрын

They are answers to solutions that nobody needed or asked for. Whatever merit they might have over their original versions entirely arguable, and won't be evident to game or targets. Their large, ungainly cases call for larger and heavier diameter specialized rifles, expensive ammo and brass, rounds that chamber more like cigar stubs than rifle rounds, and certainly more difficult to find ammo in hideaway places. Popularity of them is still struggling, which translates to reduced market value in resales. The ultimate survival of any one of them may still be questionable, and when a manufacturer determines one to be a cost liability, those who own them will be in the same boat as countless others. Don't get me wrong. They are very fine cartridges. Gun makers make few mistakes on that score. The issue is one of practically, of which I see none, and some further increase the rate of barrel wear over their former counterparts that are here to stay. As for which diameter bore, I really couldn't offer you any advice without knowing what your game is.

I wonder how it would compare to the 357 Maximum or Magnum carbine?

Awesome video! Thanks 👍🏻 What would you recommend for black bear?

It's nice to see someone check the numbers, I recently had this exact conversation with a friend.

The same way Winchester has a specific market is the same way you have a market as well....senior citizens fearful of their old 30-30 becoming extinct and the tech leaving them in the wind. Theres several videos demonstrating during a deer hunt what this cartridge is capable of at range

@waynehajek6346

Жыл бұрын

There are millions of 30-30 rifles out there in the hands of not only "senior citizens", but younger folks as well. So we're not fearful of that caliber becoming extinct. Lever action rifles have become very popular and desirable in recent years, partly due to nostalgia but also due to practicality. Look at Ruger putting out the new Marlin line with people jumping on the new 1895 and anticipating the release of the new 336 and 1894 models. Look at the deep lineup and popularity of the Henry line. It's not likely that either the lever action or the 30-30 caliber will become extinct.

I see the points your making but what you’re not considering is the Sammi specs for the cartridges. 30-30 maximum pressure is around 42,000 psi, the 350 legend maximum pressure is 55,000psi. The 350 legend allows and does utilize much higher chamber pressures than the 30-30. 350l will use hotter faster burning powder than 30-30. So Honestly your argument is invalid. You did research but you yourself cherry picked your data and left out the most important factor is ballistic performance, that being the allowable chamber pressures.

I just love the clock tic in the background sound as you start your vidjayo speaking about perpetuality..😛😛😛

I was happy to see you made a video sharing your opinion on this new cartridge. Here's why I'm getting very interested in it, I'm thinking of it somewhat like an M1 carbine Magnum, in my state we do not have to worry about this straight wall cartridge thing and we mostly have a bunch of elk and mule deer. However, if my wife or my teenage daughter was to grab a carbine and step out the back door, she could be shooting at coyotes or two-legged predators. I'm thinking this might fill that role very well. It also seems to me as far as reloading goes this might be a good candidate if I can use 9 mm projectiles.

The 350 is offered in 180 gr. At 63yrs of age I don't shoot long distance. The light recoil aids with follow-up shots. I think you need to test the round to compare. It with other calibers. Be well.

In full agreement with GunBlue490, the 350 legend fulfills a niche in those states that have the mysterious straight wall cartridge regulations, and only for those who are less robust than a full grown man. The 444 Marlin would be a better cartridge for a full grown man, in those straight wall states. But, what if you live close to the southern border of the United States and feel the need for an AR platform rifle that can both eliminate people, and take down small to medium game? If one is looking for one firearm to hunt game and protect against people, it is an option. I would choose the M14 for that dual purpose firearm, but I'm a full grown man. I'm not knocking the AR platform, because I've shot it and it's easy to see how somebody would choose it.

I recently subscribed and I'm still catching up on all of your videos. You have _a lot_ of valuable content. I had the same gut-feeling about this cartridge as you when I first noticed it. There are so many fantastic cartridges already available, it's not easy to find an open space in the market. As you say, perhaps this will be great for states with peculiar, uh, I mean particular laws, but I'm not sure how useful it would be for anyone else. My only foray into recently debuted cartridges turned out to be unusually successful, I love my little .17HMR! I have a few thousand rounds through my Savage 93R17 over the course of 10 or so years. It's a rifle that I can let any friend or family member shoot and they end up loving it too.

@davidzakrzewicz707

Жыл бұрын

I have that same rifle in .17HMR and it is a great pest rifle. I was slow coming to the party where the .17 is concerned because years ago I bought a 5mm Remington Rimfire Magnum and eventually couldn’t get ammo for it. I wanted to be sure the .17 would stay around. Shortly after I got the Savage in .17, Aquila started making 5mm ammo again, so I have them both in service, much to the chagrin of the starlings and pigeons around my farm.

Awesome...l have said it before, some of the best gun related info on the net....👍 Love it when you destroy a myth...shame on you Winchester. God bless.

Legend is a tool so people in 4 states can use their AR for deer hunting. The AR is a good hunting rifle with an adjustable stock, even from a stand where the single point sling means the magazine is against your leg and keep your hands in your pockets. So, it isn't for me, but I understand why it will be popular. I will continue to hunt with 300BLK for the above reasons but my 30-30, 35 Rem and 45/70 Levers will remain my faves

Would be interested in your thoughts on the 35 Remington, I am presently restoring an old Remington model 14 in 35 Remington that I acquired at a gun show.

@GunBlue490

5 жыл бұрын

It's a proven, powerful deer and black bear cartridge that has been around for many decades. It's large open point can be very destructive if it hits muscular tissue. It is everything that the 350 Legend is not, by virtue of greater bullet weight combined with strong velocity, and much greater powder capacity. Heavy bullets cannot be loaded into the 350 Legend with it's restricted AR-15 magazine length, which is the obvious market it is engineered for.

nice breakdown of cartridge sir, it's a niche round like a lot of others just coming on the scene.

Always love you going public and cutting through the BS

I think your right. By the way I always have been a fan of the 256 Win mag. What do you think of a 256 maximum? I think it would be a hot little round. But I would like your opinion. Maybe a ruger m77 with a new barrel and rechambered in 256 maximum?

@GunBlue490

5 жыл бұрын

It would be a hot round in 19th Century terms, but I'm not sure what the point would be. In terms of powder capacity and brass construction, it would be a lesser version of the obsolete 25-20 Winchester lever gun. Lots less powerful than a 250 Savage, which was replaced by the 257 Roberts, and ultimately overshadowed by the 243 Winchester and 25-06. The Maximum case was a revolver round, and is much thinner and weaker than rifle cases, so it's pressures must be kept comparatively low. Minimum power for a short range deer round, and too powerful for short range varmints, and not powerful enough to be a flat shooting gun. I think it would be a cartridge looking for a purpose. Lastly, rimmed cartridges don't feed well from box magazines, and require very careful follower design. Invest your new barrel in a round that will do your M77 justice. If you like 25 caliber, the 257 Roberts is the cream of the crop.

You should have your own tv show on one of the hunting channels!

How does the 300 Ham'r compair to the 350 legend?

I do like that people are more and more hunting with their AR rifles because hunting is one of the things the gun grabbers say they think is okay, and they say the AR is for killing people, not for hunting. So the more pictures of hunters standing over their game with an AR rifle the better.

@GunBlue490

5 жыл бұрын

That's logical to us, but gun grabbers are almost universally anti-hunters, and they certainly don't enjoy or look at photos of dead game, and the sight of hamburger in a store is a horror to the vegan-PETA crowd. The only folks who see our photos or are impressed are members of the choir, and they already know what kind of gun they prefer. Though I love to shoot my AR, and enjoy it immensely, it is clumsy, cold (all that metal and plastic on a snowy 26 F morning??!!) heavy, and awkward in the field, and it unnecessarily limits ballistic selections to cartridges that are crammed into it. With a standard 20 inch barrel with so-so ballistics, they are balanced at the carry handle or scope, and the barrel has no weight to steady on shots. But with a heavier barrel that aims well, they become ungainly to carry. Most states don't permit hunting with a semi auto with greater than five rounds, which negates the capacity advantage they were designed for. They are an excellent design for what they do, but in a world of so many far superior options, I would be the last person to recommend an AR as the best hunting solution. Whether we keep our Second Amendment rights is a persistent fight against hysterical anti-hunters and anti-gunners that has nothing whatsoever to do with associating the AR-15 rifle to hunting, which is just another reason for condemnation to Friends of Bambi. I've been fighting this fight since the 70s, decades before the AR became popular, and they came after my walnut stocked bolt actions with just as much enthusiasm. They will always have a reason to come after guns, because their logic is tied up in their man buns and yoga, not their pot-fried brains.

@CarbonGlassMan

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunBlue490 I live in Indiana so I am limited in what I can use. I hunted with an AR pistol chambered in 300bo one year. 300bo was illegal to use in a rifle, but ok in a pistol. Some of these laws make no sense. The only rifles you can use here are pistol cartridges like 357, 45 colt, 44mag, etc. I know the gun grabbers are against hunting, but they lie and say they're all for it to fool the people on the fence, people who are not gun people, and hunters that are not gun people but who hint with traditional looking rifles and shotguns. I just like to be able to point to pictures of deer hunters who hunted with an AR rifle to show the non gun owning voters that the gun grabbers are lying when they say a deer will explode if you shoot it with an ar15.

Mr. Gun Blue: Iowa requires rifle calibers from .350 - .500 bore (necked-down, straight-wall or pistol), or, shotguns, for deer during most gun seasons except the special January antlerless hunt whereby virtually any caliber CF deer rifle cartridge can be used to clean up those remaining mangement does as a result of any surplus tags. The Savage Axis in .350 Legend seems to be the "new .30-06" for rifle-caliber-restrictive more-eastern American states. The 6.5 Creedmoor was once so wonderfully touted but some cornfield state game regulators don't seem to dig it much. I don't fancy toting my nice 1971-vintage steel-blued/checkered wood stocked Sako L579 Forester .243 bolt-action in the freezing snow for a January freezer doe should I end up moving to the Hawkeye State. I must have a modern shoulder-fired low-recoiling but accurate gun with a grooved bore to haul in the venison to my freezer. This notion of shotguns, Savage 220 bolt slug guns, handguns, muzzle-loaders and archer's bows for deer doesn't make my cut. In no mood to trifle, I like the notion of taking down a trusty rifle on a November day so clear out to hunt some deer.

Thank you for the information sir. It makes me so angry when manufacturers are deceptive about their products. Like you said there is a market for it. No need to embellish or outright misinform people about it.

I’m in the straight walled cartridge state of Delaware and am back and forth between the 350 and 450. I like both for different reasons leaning towards the 350 because it’s quieter, but I do have long shots and am not sure if it’s worth giving up the longer range potential of the 450, tho from what I’ve read it’s not that much of an advantage. I’ve heard with some if the better bullets 250y is possible with the 350, I’m not planning on taking a shot at a deer at a range like that without shooting at paper first, even then it’s not a deer. Just wondering what your opinion is. Thanks for reading and keep up with your video's I definatly enjoy them

@thanielsommers4500

2 жыл бұрын

I may seem strange to base a decision on how loud a rifle is but i have a 300 win mag and that’s an ear ringer, not enthusiastic pulling the trigger without wear ear protection which on a range in the back yard is fine but when your listening for a deer sneaking through the woods followed by a cannon going off you can perhaps see what I’m trying to avoid (:

How do you like the .35 Remington?

I appreciate your video. I have no experience with a 350 legend round. I myself am in the process of crunching numbers. All I can say at this point is I think it's the flavor of the month. Just like last year everybody jumped on the 10 mm bandwagon when it came to handguns. I truly love my gun community... But sometimes I have to roll my eyes when the flavor of the month comes out. A lot of the people that do that are not reloaders.... And they don't look at things the same way. A true reloader would never go off the stats from the manufacturer. We do our field research.

Syill a good cartridge for the ar - 15 gang , i like it. Thank you very much. !

I have reached the age in which I have seen a lot of hype about new products and grown skeptical. I don’t believe in what writers in gun magazines say anymore. I see the hype and the marketing to sell new products over and over again. I have been fortunate to have bought my guns over a period of 30 years, so they became affordable. I have decided that I have everything I need to hunt anywhere in the world. My 7-08 rifle is plenty for Pennsylvania deer. My Tikka .270 should do for Pronghorn at long distances. The Winchester model 70 in 300 Win Mag. should be enough for mule Deer, Caribou and Elk? My 45-70 or 450 Marlin should do for close range large pigs, black bears and Sasquatch. If I am lucky enough to go on an Alaska coastal grizzly hunt, My Remington 375 H&H should be plenty, given that I put the bullet on the right place. See, we old guys have come to the realization that we don’t need a new cartridge. We just need the proper load for the rifle in question and practice, practice, so when the moment comes, we put the bullet where it needs to be. Thank you for the honest talk. It is never too late to learn new things and I have learned a lot on your channel.

@GunBlue490

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Speaking from personal experience, your 270 is plenty of gun for mule deer with a good 130 grain bullet, and a friend took caribou with his 270 quite handily with 150 grain Partitions. Pronghorn are light and can be taken with anything that can reach them. I'd reserve the 300 for your elk and moose. You have all you need for anything in your collection!

20g slug, BM450, or 350L is the million dollar question with straight wall deer cartridge on white tail deer in limited States. Ohio here. I like 350 for recoil but, is it a niche cartridge for us non reloaders?

I say, it's like fireside chats with you. I do like your videos like this...of course I like your tutorials as well!

I was almost drawn in by the hype, but my deer guns are a 1973 win. Mod.94, a Henry .44 mag and a 1943 Enfield .303. Thanks for reafirming my decision.

Thank you for another great video full of really good Information

Have you reviewed the 35 Remington? I would love to hear your insights...

@squirrelhunter1300

3 жыл бұрын

Yah he talked about it

The AR 15 is the best selling and most popular rifle/carbine in the USA. Neither the 30/30, nor the 35 Remington is short enough to cycle in the AR15 platform. This round will sell like hotcakes as it basically turns an 11.5" Braced AR Pistol into a 357 Lever Action Carbine. It's the modern incarnation of the '92 Winchester/ 1894 Marlin 357 mag and fills the same roll. Short, Handy, and HARD hitting... Jeff Cooper's "Thumper". And if they meet the price point of under $10 a box I think it will quickly surpass sales of 300 Black Out. They are advertising 150gr@2300fps out of a 20" barrel. Quite a bit warmer than 357 magnum and almost approaching my 35 Rem 180gr handloads which clock in at the same velocity with a 30gr heavier payload.

@Predalien195

5 жыл бұрын

From the research I've done, from some chronograph results I've seen and from Winchester's data and from others. Winchester is claiming 20% more velocity and energy over a .30-30 at the muzzle from the same length barrel and bullet weight. So far, those numbers seem to be on point. Ballistics in terms of energy and velocity however seem to be identical to Remington 6.8 SCP 2 loads and .35 Remington loads. Which is a good thing truly... Unlike 6.8 SPC it seems like it will not limit capacity, so like .300 Blackout it will allow for a 30 round capacity on the AR platform. Ultimately though.. I think it will be a marginal success as it ultimately seems to be targeting hunters who live in states that restrict straight walled cases and such.

@lordaleksandre

5 жыл бұрын

It will never be $.50 a cartridge in 1,000 Rd cases. Can you even buy .300 BO at that price? Not that I can see. $.29 is about the best price for 5.56 NATO right now, and prices are unseasonably low at the moment.

@Predalien195

5 жыл бұрын

@@lordaleksandre Cheapest 1,000 round lots of .300 Blackout on AmmoSeek have it listed at $0.36 a round. So... yeah I guess you didnt look hard enough. Average price seems to be about $0.40 a round. .300 Blackout has come way down in price... It's comparable to brass 7.62x39 and some .30 Carbine loads in terms of costs right now. Doubt .350 Legend will go that low ever.. At least so long as it remains marketed towards hunters only. But you'll likely see $0.50 to $0.60 a round, which isnt bad for what it is. May go lower in time, depends on how big a splash it makes.

@mikeborrelli193

5 жыл бұрын

@@lordaleksandre As Christopher noted you didn't look very hard. Because 35 Legend can use bulk 357 pistol bullets it can be handloaded for as little as 10 cents a round of you hardcast your own bullets from a Lee 6 Cavity gang mould.

I live in the shotgun zone of Michigan, and would like to know your thoughts on the 450 bushmaster. I mostly hunt in the rifle zones, but I am considering a 450 for the southern zone, instead of my muzzleloader

@GunBlue490

5 жыл бұрын

The Bushmaster is certainly fine for the person who wants an AR, but is far and away more than needed for deer, with extreme recoil that is over 2 foot pounds more than the 30-06 in an awkward handling gun. I would greatly prefer the more versatile 45-70, which has a large selection of bullet weights and velocities, or even the 444 Marlin. If you can find a 375 Winchester, that's a terrific choice, too. The Bushmaster would be my last choice, mostly because I would never want to carry my AR-15 around in the field, which feels more like the bumper jack in my old 59 Buick Electra than a rifle, and points about as naturally. ;-). Great combat weapons never translated to great hunting rifles.

@jima28080

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunBlue490 None of the cartridges you mentioned are legal in the restricted zone in Michigan. I have been cutting 45-70 cases to 1.8" to comply with the silly law.

The 300 So What (Aka Blackout) and the 350 Legend,,, Wow what's next? I've been using my old Marlin 1894 in 44 magnum for deer the last few years. It works great for the thick woods down south, drops em like a rock most times with a well placed shot. Thanks for another good video and God Bless you and yours.

is the 350 legend has as much as the 357 maximum ?

I have a .350 in the Winchester XPR. Nice cartridge to shoot, I don’t doubt it will work fine on deer at 200 yards and under but it is NOT as powerful as the 30-30.

Love listening to your knowledge. Can you do a video on the straight walled cartridges that are legal in the Midwest? (Michigan)

Yes. But can it change the course of mighty rivers, bend steel in its bare hands. And if disguised as a mild mannered newspaper reporter fight for truth, justice and the American way??

Any thoughts on .450 bushmaster?

I'll take the 35 Remington.

Have you ever spoken about the 8mm Remington magnum. I have been shouting Nosler’s 180 etip about 3300 FPS. It’s 1 moa or better. (Depending on my shooting that day). I don’t understand why this cartridge didn’t become more popular. The recoil isn’t too bad. For elk moose and bear its awesome. It’s fairly flat shooting also. I’d really like your opinion. If you have talked about it could you send me the link of your video.

@grizzlycountry1030

5 жыл бұрын

It was created to compete with the 338 win mag... "Even though the 8mm Remington Magnum has never been very popular, it is a very suitable cartridge for the hunting of elk, moose, caribou, and larger African antelope. However, the .338 Winchester Magnum had a 30-year head start on the market, and is short enough for medium length actions, which increases the models of rifles it could be produced in. It is also available with heavier bullets, although this isn't a problem for people that load their own rounds of this caliber. Bullet selection is quite critical with the 8mm Remington Magnum since the bullets have to be designed and constructed to hold together at magnum velocities."

@GunBlue490

5 жыл бұрын

I have not done one on it. It's a good but highly specialized round for very large game. I remember when it came out with lots of fanfare, but it died on the vine very shortly afterwards. I was working part time at a sporting goods store then. The reception was almost always the same. Someone would come into a store to look at one after reading about it, but when I showed him the round, he would say something like "wow! that's too much gun for me!" The one Remington we had on the shelf was looked at and pawed over for nearly two years before it was finally sold at dealer cost, just to get rid of it. Dealers everywhere had the same issue, so they never re-ordered them. I must be honest; I don't think there's much point to hosting a round that is so rare, which was obsoleted by Remington so long ago. It's a great round. Enjoy it!

@kennethbailey2616

5 жыл бұрын

When Remington announced the 8mm Elmer Keith asked what did we need it for. :)

@luvtahandload7948

5 жыл бұрын

@@kennethbailey2616 Elmer Keith was dead when the 8MM Rem Mag debuted. ;>))

@kennethbailey2616

5 жыл бұрын

Luvta Handload sorry, but that’s a direct quote from guns and ammo magazine. Remington announced it and Elmer made that statement. Now, he may have died before it came to market but he dang sure made that comment. He was a good friend of my old friend, Erv Malnarich of Hamilton, MT. Elmer used to teach marksmanship at Erv’s guide school.

I wish I had all the guns I've bought and sold since 1978! But I've kept it down to a large safe full instead of a room full. The classic guns I had from the 60's - 80's are now selling between $1,500 - $2,500+! Oh well. I consolidated the 30-30 and 30-06 to 308 bolt action. I sold my .243, 6.5x55, and .270 along the way, expanding the .223/5.56 category instead. Yep, I loved every one of the calibers I sold, but I can only afford and be proficient with a few calibers. My faves (must haves) are down to .22LR, .223, .308, and 20g. I still have 12g shotguns with ammo. But the 20g is lighter, faster, less recoil, and does everything I want. So I've been using up and phasing out the 12g. I've been stocking up on 350 Legend and looking for an AR upper. Seems like a good woods rifle, with an occasional shot across a field. So a little more flexible for deer than my shotgun, without the power and expense of the .308. If you're all set up with 30-30, or a .35 Remington, keep it. Even the 7.62x39 is good enough and cheaper. And the Ruger Mini 30 is lighter and a bit more accurate than the AK47 if you can find one. I agree that the 350 Legend is best where straight walls are required.

Love your channel, the straightforward presentation of information, and cutting through the crap. Speaking of the 30-30 Winchester I really like your video about it and the rifles chambering it. Would really like to see a video about the Marlin 336 if possible. Keep up the good work and spreading the truth.

@GunBlue490

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Look back through my videos. I discussed the Winchester and Marlin rifles a couple of years ago, along with the venerable 30-30 cartridge. My first centerfire rifle purchase was a 1964 Marlin 336T chambered in 44 Magnum. I've owned a number of very good 336 rifles over the years in their various chambered offerings. The lever rifle remains one of the finest and most efficient, lightweight, woods companions ever made, and the 30-30 (or 32 Special) with it's deep penetrating 170 grain load cannot be beat within 150 yards. While good with cartridges of greater than 2600 feet per second, I consider the 150 grain bullet, with only .225 sectional density, to have marginal penetration at 30-30 velocities. The late Jack O'Connor had the same conclusion. In general, cartridges for deer sized game should have sectional densities greater than .240 for best performance, and the 170 grain @.256 SD does that in spades.

@edfeldman8955

5 жыл бұрын

@@GunBlue490 thank you. I hadn't come across that video yet I will go back and look for it. My first big game rifle was a synthetic stocked Savage 111 in 3006 that I bought on the advice of the guys I first started going hunting with. Didn't take me very long to realize that I was pretty over gunned for the area I was hunting (upstate NY) didn't really enjoy shooting that rifle very much and I liked carrying it and looking at it even less. My go to for years now has been a Marlin 336 with a 16 and 1/4 inch barrel loaded with 170 grain soft points. Any deer I've ever shot with it didn't seem to notice that it was a supposedly week cartridge fired from a short barrel. Greatest gun in cartridge combination for thick woods in my opinion. A lot of new cartridges will come and go and still not do anything really better than the 30-30.

So how would u compare the 350 to a 44 mag rifle? Would it be an improvement over a 44mag out to 150 yards?

@marcogram1216

5 жыл бұрын

I really don't think so. The 44 Magnum out of a rifle is a whole different animal all together. The extra barrel length really wake it up.

@GunBlue490

5 жыл бұрын

The 350 Legend and 44 Magnum are in different velocity class, so they cannot be compared on equal terms. The 44 Magnum is nearly a thousand feet per second slower than the 350 Legend, and its hunting effectiveness drops off the charts after 65 yards, even in rifles. Beyond that range, penetration, energy and trajectory deteriorate uselessly. The 444 Marlin is in the same velocity class as the Legend, but is significantly more powerful in all measurements due to it's far greater bullet weight and sustained velocity. The 350 Legend's attractiveness will be for AR-15 uppers, which is a thinly veiled motive, despite it's offering in bolt rifles. I won't be surprised if Winchester has an AR-15 rifle coming soon if the Legend gains popularity. However, I think they could have done better by simply inventing a new straight wall case of a larger diameter and longer bullet with reasonable recoil levels. Winchester manufacturers ammo and rifles, and does not need to follow the crowd with any standardized case design.

@joshhasenour4157

5 жыл бұрын

The reason I ask is many hunters in indiana use the 44mag lever evolution ammo out of a rifle. I have killed deer with mine out to 100yds before with a pass through shot. So I know they are different and cant be compared easily im just wonder if the 350 would be a better choice then the 44mag.

@marcogram1216

5 жыл бұрын

@@joshhasenour4157 Exactly. I forgot about this conversation but was reminded about it today. I have had two complete pass throughs on deer and another that ended up under the hide all between 60-90 yards with .357 hardcast gas checked 180s out of a 20" Rossi 92. More than one of us in our group have had zero issues plowing through the side plates of multiple hogs with the same cartridge. Federal makes them. People used to and still cleanly kill deer every year with a freaking flintlock patched ball. If an arrow with a flint can do it cleanly so can a properly aimed small caliber smokeless round within reasonable ranges. I will say again, the 44 mag is a much different animal out of a rifle. Paper results are just that. Paper.

Thank you! Glad you mentioned the AR demographic, which does seem to be the marketing target.