It’s strikes me as funny that I refuse to watch an hour long episode of wheel of time, but I will gladly watch these reviews no matter how long they are. 😂 Gone are the days of good writing in television… just read the books people! Btw Love your book Shad! I’ve listened to the Audible version at least 4 times now and it is such a great story with amazing characters, in a fantastic world! 10/10

@musiccraftsman2192

2 жыл бұрын

Same!!!

@talkingmudcrab718

2 жыл бұрын

Amen. If a good film adaptation comes along for a book or game or whatever franchise you like then cherish but never get your hopes up to expect it. always expect the worst. Studios are 75% more concerned about money, 20% concerned about personal ideological messaging, and 5% concerned about quality. Look at Viileneuve's adaptation of Dune. He was extremely passionate about the project and still had to fight tooth and nail to get what he got out of Part 1 and it probably still fell short of what he really wanted to do because of studio execs. He wanted to do a 5 hour long film just for one part. By the Grace of the Box Office he is getting a Part 2. Ask David Lynch how he felt about his adaptation and what the studio did to him.

@le_bouvier

2 жыл бұрын

that makes at least 2 of us :)

@insensitive919

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it was great stuff! He needs to hurry up and make a sequel!

@dawall3732

2 жыл бұрын

I too have not watched a single episode of the show. Yes I have all of the wheel of time books except for the new version they made which is basically just the show. I have also watched all of these episodes of game nights and the nights watch now. It is really saying something when I would rather watch a 2 hour and 45 minute video breaking down a one hour show episode then actually watch the show episode itself. I also have Shad's book. I'm hoping for a second book before too long :)

"There are people who are not watching the show but are watching the reviews of it." *Raises hand*

@gokbay3057

2 жыл бұрын

I am watching this particular show, but there are many shows where I do do that.

@alexanderm8880

2 жыл бұрын

I read the books and I liked them even if I disliked most of the female characters. I liked it enough that I can't subject myself to this show, I gotta let Shad suffer for me. :p

@johanjarvinen

2 жыл бұрын

Only because I couldn't get through the episodes. I'm a massive fan and I've been waiting for an adaptation for over two decades, and yet the writing is so bad I can't watch more than minutes at a time before I have to turn it off.

@gavinfreenone6626

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know wtf this book or show is even about but I'm here for the boys lol

@malevolent7650

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderm8880 Many of the characters were intentionally unlikable, it's a testament to the author's ability evoke such strong emotions in the reader. It's the same for actors, some actors portray an evil character so well that you can't even see them in another role without hating them. There are definitely flaws with the books but I don't think the characters were one of them, almost without exception they were unique and interesting.

Shad: I'm heartbroken seeing WoT being butchered. Me: Just wait until Amazon butchers Tolkien in their upcoming series.

@wolfereignowns1154

2 жыл бұрын

For me it wont be as bad because I feel the Lord of the rings trilogy at least got a faithful attempt at an adaptation not perfect imo but next to This show damn near perfect.

@starfreek101

2 жыл бұрын

@@wolfereignowns1154 the first trilogy is the best book adaptation I have seen so far of any book. I wish the wheel of time got that treatment. Peter Jackson did such a good job. You could tell he actually appreciated the source material.

@TheTinLion

2 жыл бұрын

Black elves & hobbits.... they're literally going to diversify a SPECIFICALLY Eurocentric vision.

@eugeneflores6153

2 жыл бұрын

We wuz Ainurs, elves, dwarves, hobbiz and shizz~

@dariyanvalentine3564

2 жыл бұрын

or the Dragonlance Chronicles. or Enders quartet... oh wait...

It really feels like we had more time spend on that warder, then on Mat and Rand over the whole 5 episodes...

@hanklewis769

2 жыл бұрын

exactly

@haqq1

2 жыл бұрын

they skipped the encounter of Rand with Elayne, Galad and Gwayne over some no-name warder.

@ignacius8466

2 жыл бұрын

They had to really emphasize the emasculation of Lan's alpha male book character.

@Sleepless4Life

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Now they wants us to believe that in an hour and a half before the season finale they'll (the EF 5) be ready for whatever awaits them at the Eye of the world. When they have done nothing at all for their development through 6 episodes. Instead they wasted time on nonsensical OC stuff. Press F for this show. They wanna be GoT, when GoT had phenomenal actin', but not realizing they're not on the same level of actin' as GoT. Even if GoT wasn't true to the books, they had me hooked for the first 4 seasons because all characters were so well acted and developed. WoT is just a mixed bag of shit. I'll keep watching till the end of this pilot season. I owe Robert Jordan that much at least. But if nothing changes, I just don't see myself keepin' up with the show.

@franciscoquintana2017

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sleepless4Life To be fair (character development aside), they were just as unprepared for the Eye of the World in the book...

I started reading this series in response to how much someone I love loves the books. Now I too am loving the story. To say that we are both disappointed in the tv adaptation would be the understatement of the year. So awful.

@huaquita22

2 жыл бұрын

I agree very disappointing adaptation.. Love the books..read all of them.

@kevinjust6740

2 жыл бұрын

Just an FYI, but the Wheel of Time book was altered in later years slightly, it use to be the prologue then chapter 1 with Rand going to town with his father. I was told buy a coworker that they added some sort of short story about them being kids and some stuff with Egwene, in the more recent books, that was inserted before Rand heading to town. But I have the older hardback and paperback and it's not in ether.

@nate2838

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevinjust6740 Makes me glad i have the original.

@kamion53

Жыл бұрын

I don't follow the tv serie, but started to read the books again to get the pictures more firm settled in my mind. turned out that having 6 books with the cover art by Darrell K. Sweet, I stopped in book 2. Even with some info from the fansite I think it is still a tough cookie.

"Shad did not give the show the benefit of the doubt. " -Ba'alzamon 2021

@357Dejavu

2 жыл бұрын

You had me laughing with that one!

@LevenScholar

2 жыл бұрын

Father of Lies!!

@DameTara

2 жыл бұрын

Right on

@Sleepless4Life

2 жыл бұрын

Rafe confirmed Ba'alzamon! F

@richardhockey8442

2 жыл бұрын

I think the forsaken must be masquerading as the show's writers

"Death is lighter than a feather; duty is heavier than a mountain."

@marcobhuachalla9814

2 жыл бұрын

Not with this version of Lan. :(

@dylantowers9367

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcobhuachalla9814 And not with Amazon's writers either.

@al-imranadore1182

2 жыл бұрын

Not with Feminists and SJWs.

@jackrose6996

2 жыл бұрын

Duty is definitely too heavy for whomever is writing this show, unless they think their duty is to make the series into something it was never meant to be.

@sigmundferd1359

2 жыл бұрын

"Death is heavier than a mountain, duty is a heavier mountain"

As big as dumpster fire GoT season 8 was, WoT managed to surpass it in just a few episodes, witch is an astonishing achievement I did not think was possible.

@ianvera4299

2 жыл бұрын

GOT season 8 is a masterpiece next to the entirety of WOT season 1

@SarahDuke01

Жыл бұрын

And at least they had the excuse of not knowing how the series ends! What’s Rafe’s!?! 😡

I actually laughed out loud when Thom said that Mat "has all the signs" of channeling. No. No he doesn't. He has NONE of the signs. None. ...Granted neither does Rand, but... yeah, still...

@richardhockey8442

2 жыл бұрын

the writers misdirecting attention way from 'the other guy' Rand yet again

@lore_shards

2 жыл бұрын

I felt like that was justifiable honestly from Thoms perspective

Even Tam was nerfed *a lot* from how he was in the books. In the show he barely manages to hold his own against a single trolloc and doesn't even get the kill, but in the books he takes down several before finally getting injured himself, he jumps out of the window and is about to circle around the house to the backdoor because he thought Rand would be there. All of that was thrown out in the show, you didn't get the feeling that he was a blademaster at all.

@gokbay3057

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, yes. But tbf by all indications he hadn't practiced for more than a decade.

@arronjerden915

2 жыл бұрын

@@gokbay3057 The point is that in the books he hadn't picked up a sword in almost 20 years and was STILL good enough to take on half a dozen trollocs, it is all in the flame and the void man. Be one with the blade.

@tilemacro

2 жыл бұрын

@@arronjerden915 The flame and the void is also out of the show.

@arronjerden915

2 жыл бұрын

@@tilemacro You dont say? I hadn't noticed!

@tilemacro

2 жыл бұрын

@@arronjerden915 What is it with internet chat and people assuming every comment is aggressive, dunno. Its a mystery i want solved at some point. 😁

You have made a place in my heart where I thought there was no room for anything else. You have made flowers grow where I cultivated dust and stones. - Lan

@Warlocke000

2 жыл бұрын

Kind of loses its impact when he drops to his knees, rends his garments, and bawls over a warder we don't know, doesn't it?

@Robisme

2 жыл бұрын

@@Warlocke000 Yep there goes that arc.

@Chambers_90

2 жыл бұрын

These words lose much of their impact when coming from this version of Lan.

I've come to realize there are two kinds of scenes in the WoT show: Scenes that never even remotely happened in the source material and scenes that sh*t all over the source material while presenting the worst possible version of it. They've done the same thing with the casting. For example, why is Perin just as tall as Rand?! Rand is supposed to be absurdly tall for his village ... but if other people are just as tall, that plot point is destroyed. Then there's the "diverse" cast of Emmond's Field. This is supposed to be a geographically isolated village where it's so rare to see outsiders that it's a big deal with the trader comes to town, and he's just one guy! This is actually another plot point that they touch on in the first episode, which is that "the old blood runs strong" in the two rivers. If newcomers are always coming and going in intermarrying with the locals, how is that old blood supposed to be preserved?! Just from a logical perspective, the people of the two rivers have basically been inbreeding for over a thousand years. That should be a very homogenous population. I'm not saying they need to be white. They just need to be homogenous. They could all be Asian or Hispanic or Armenian or whatever. It doesn't matter as long as they're homogenous. And don't even get me started on Loial! This character is supposed to be a literal giant, but the actor is only one inch taller than Rand's actor, and that guy is only 6'2". One inch does not a giant make! They could have at least found a guy who was 6'5"! And let's don't forget how the character design of Loial is such a poor substitute for how he is in the books. In the books he has articulating ears with tufts of hair that droop or stand up or quiver depending on how he's emoting. In the show, the guy just has regular human ears. He's basically just a somewhat tall (though not terribly), thick human in the show. Overall, this show is just the worst possible version they could have made. At best, most of it is just wrong. At worst, it takes a great big steaming unapologetic dump on the source material and the fans who love it.

@Sleepless4Life

2 жыл бұрын

This right here! The show in a nutshell. I hate it! The OC stuff would have been fine (and is fine) on it's own if it wasn't WoT books related. But then they just rush or brush off stuff that makes WoT WoT and it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth and all the points they earned with OC stuff from me is just wasted again.

@courier7049

2 жыл бұрын

I guess is like with cowboy bebop actress explanation "they just couldn't find someone even close to original description"

@richardhockey8442

2 жыл бұрын

I'm suprised they don't have 'Bad Hair Day' Loial tell corny jokes or do silly tricks, his appearance is so comical

@saysHotdogs

2 жыл бұрын

They need appeal with TV shows. That doesn’t happen with racially homogeneous casts anymore. I just expect it now. I’m a huge fan of A Song of Ice and Fire and all of its lore, and seeing as how spin-offs of a Game of Thrones are coming out I’m imagining some pretty surprising racial substitutions in a universe where most (possibly all) of our real life races have counterparts. But that doesn’t matter. What matters is representation and it’s valid so concessions have to be made. There’s no live action TV show yet to properly tell a story with source material anyway. It’s fun to watch the adaptations if you just kinda let ‘em happen

@buttkingsley1403

2 жыл бұрын

@@saysHotdogs why is it valid?

I feel your frustration deeply. We lost Elyas Machera in favor of a second rate warder that was no more than a name mentioned in the books. Oh, and we ruined Lan's legendary stoicism by him wailing and weeping.

@TheJordanK

2 жыл бұрын

We can still get Elyas. But also he’s really not that important tbh. His main purpose is to drop exposition on what is happening with Perrin, then he bounces. But I still think we will get him cause him explaining what’s happening would be very helpful because everything in the books happens in Perrin’s head and we can’t have that in the show. So I think we will still get him.

@meithstorm7662

2 жыл бұрын

the actor was pretty darn good though.

@ignacius8466

2 жыл бұрын

@@meithstorm7662 such a waste too. He could have been cast in a more important role than that sad warder.

@wolfereignowns1154

2 жыл бұрын

@@meithstorm7662 Cool have him play Elyas.

@Sleepless4Life

2 жыл бұрын

Wait so you're sayin' Elyas was cut? No mentor for Perrin? Wtf! I thought they'd leave him for later on. Not cut entirely! Thought the warder was just a foreshadowing for Elyas. Just F. Just F man!

Another thing that I thought about with the whole men and women differences is that Jordan often made the different characters remark on the other gender quite humourously. Like, I think it was Tam that warned Rand that women are horrible gossips and in another part Nyneave said the same thing about men. The one gender was constantly making small comments like that throughout the story, yet they would always bring up the besr part of each other, making it kinda sweet and romantic.

@kc0dawnte

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget the time with the Tinkers where Perrin asks Egwene what she talked to Ilia about so much. “She was giving me advice on being a woman.” “Advise? Men don’t need advice to be men, we just are.” “And that’s why you do such a horrible job at it.” I loved that line.

@lazyassassin267

2 жыл бұрын

One I loved on my recent rereads was after the Mat/Galad/Gawan fight. When the green sisters are all fawning over Galad, the warder had an aside with the boys about how they're no better than the accepted. It's such a great moment, especially from a gaidiin, especially after several chapters following egwane and nyneave saying the same shit about men. It's not a mater of hate, since again, it's a gaidiin saying it, it s just stating the obvious/ giving the usually stoic warders some personality.

@Amokra

2 жыл бұрын

@@norcalbowhunter3264 I wouldn't doubt it I can't wait till they get to the reborn guy/girl that should be fun

@Jimi-Check

2 жыл бұрын

@@norcalbowhunter3264 oh I don't know if you guys noticed it. But did you see the effeminate white cloak in the background in first scenes of them? I don't know why but I thought that was the weirdest change Of the show so far.. If seeing somebody twice makes them a dark friend, I can't imagine what that walk would make them in the eyes of purist

Not only does Rand not react to Loial calling him Aiel, Loial did not seem all that surprised to find an Aielman with a SWORD!

@alucard374

2 жыл бұрын

why would he react? The writers didn't bother to set any of that up via delirious Tam's murmurings, as Rand dragged him to Emond's field

@childrenoftolkien

2 жыл бұрын

Loial looks like a character from The Wiz.

@chaz9808

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah and it’s a very special sword too a sword he would definitely comment on after seeing it

@matthewhunter1970

2 жыл бұрын

The most accurate part of loial was the voice XD. The fact the the sword wasn't brought up makes me think aiel will not have any stigma about swords which well is rather important you know. At this point I actually think they haven't read the books and are using the wheel of time wiki as a source. Or maybe book reviews and summaries? Reddit comment sections? Eragons movie was more accurate to the book....at least it had a cool dragon and sword! This has nether XD (Book spoilers?) The best think they could really do is probably throw out the books its not like they are keeping to it anyway. Make Logan or the other false dragon in the books the actual dragon and go from there.

@junglejoe40

2 жыл бұрын

@@childrenoftolkien or a German shepherd dog

I've seen enough. I am now convinced that I do not want to give the Wheel of Time show even the barest of chances. Your vigilance is appreciated, Sir Shad

Well look at that. A youtuber that didn't utterly sellout to ride the show hype. You guys are absolutely right, and episode 6 was somehow EVEN WORSE. Looking forward to your breakdown of 6. My wife and I are both huge book fans and we were practically out of our chairs raging. Paused multiple times just to reiterate how stupid the scenes were.

@eddragon2264

2 жыл бұрын

Lol basically the same thing Iv been doing with my friends over discord. Since the first 5 mins of the show where they say Perrin has a wife. Literally had to rewind to make sure we heard currently. The yelling of WHAT! And WHY! Has not stopped throughout.

In The Eye of the World there's a great scene with Lan where he hears about a losing battle the Border Landers are about to fight, and that if he announced he would be there thousands more men would join them to help fight and that could change the outcome of the battle. But Lan knows he has to travel into the Blight with Moraine and the others and can't stay and fight. Lan shows no visible change of emotion, but crushes the cup he's holding with his hand, which reveals how much he's struggling inside. That's the most emotion he shows the entire book.

@donaldgooch7869

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think he's Vulcan level - but yes - he's stoic. You need an actor who has very expressive eyes - his emotions can be apparent from his look and subtle facial expressions - but not whatever the heck we got in ep 5.

@theawebster1505

2 жыл бұрын

@@donaldgooch7869 totally on board with you on this. Book Lan would never show such emotions in such a way. But I guess that sells and also appeals to the weakened state of humanity right now.

@JoelAdamson

2 жыл бұрын

Correction: the most emotion he shows is when he reveals his true feelings for Nynaeve, but he does so privately when he knows no one but Nynaeve can hear him, and he clearly tells her that his feelings for her cannot matter more than the war he's fighting. And it takes twelve books for this to get resolved; that's the right way to do Lan.

@waifuhunter9709

2 жыл бұрын

@@theawebster1505 " having emotions and showing it in such a way appeals to weakened state of humanity" This is only weak mentality i can see here 🤦‍♂️

@GiSoxfan

2 жыл бұрын

@@theawebster1505 bad take. In my experience, if any weakness comes from emotion, it's from one of two places. 1) Not allowing yourself to experience your emotion fully, bottling it up, and allowing it to fester inside like a cancer. 2) Allowing emotion to justify poor behavior rather than practicing disciplin and dealing with it in a healthy way so that we are in a better place in the future.

The thing is Egwene is unbreakable. At the end of a long multibook arc. Which now can't exist cause she's already unbreakable

@jayclearmen411

2 жыл бұрын

Nah I’d say that’s more lans character he oozes stoicism not taking anything from egwene because she was a badass in her own right!! An she earned that shit her progression her journey trials & tribulations etc… that’s what make it so worthwhile.

@Echidna23Gaming

2 жыл бұрын

I see what you're saying, but similar to how this episode was a test of her will, so will the Falme Arc, CW Arc, etc and we'll see her break and develop over time

@Henbot

2 жыл бұрын

The show isn't going to have ten years to make characters a certain way considering how big the books are

@solindasedai2252

2 жыл бұрын

@@Henbot but they are putting in a ton of new stuff that isn’t in the books. They only have the excuse of not having enough space/time to develop characters like they were in the books if they weren’t filling literally hours of screen time with irrelevant non-book stuff and throwaway (steppen, karene) or secondary characters(siuan, logain, alanna).

@Sleepless4Life

2 жыл бұрын

Aahh... the old story ARC but without the ARC part. Classic story telling!

Thank you so much for this review. I needed the laugh after I finished throwing up all over myself watching this disgraceful misrepresentation of WOT. My wife hasn't read the books, but even she said she was embarrassed for everyone involved in that last scene. This episode officially separated the adaptation from the books for me. I am joining your crusade in whatever capacity I can.

Rand & Mat enter the city and casually walk past a CAMEL. No stare, no pointing, no open mouth. As if it's a chicken passing by. Mat only snaps as Nynaeve wants to touch him but never says the famous words: "You've changed Nynaeve" in that malicious tone. (major miss of an open goal) 10 million dollars per episode but they couldn't TELL A STORY to save their lives. Big studios suck.

@chadhill6831

2 жыл бұрын

nail meet hammer👍

@Jimi-Check

2 жыл бұрын

10 million per episode, and rafe is probably paid 9,300,000 per episode and everyone behind the scenes are volunteers.

@lecabillaud6060

2 жыл бұрын

In a fantasy setting, camels get punched, it's mandatory !

I just found out that the rest of my family likes to wait and watch me rage like Shad after each episode. I haven't read the books in almost 20 years and yet the inconsistencies has driven me to near madness.

@NathanTenney

2 жыл бұрын

The one good thing that this show has done is made me want to re-read the entire series again.

@mindartis4081

2 жыл бұрын

Same here so off course. Terrible show

Amazon: We need our own Game of Thrones. WoT Show: Reading you loud and clear. We will deviate from the source material and fill in the gaps with our own storytelling. Everyone loved that in GoT. Amazon: Genius!

@rams3955

2 жыл бұрын

Wtf the problem with GoT wasn't deviating from the books it was once they caught up to the books having no idea where to go with the story. Why do people think the show is a 1 for 1 adaptation of the books they changed alot. They aged up characters changed characters entirely created new characters and plotlines and the fact is most of the changes worked until D&D got lazy starting with season 6. Honestly book readers are so weird. The show has been really good so far sorry it's not page for page what you remember reading. And an edit one of the reasons GoT is so Infuriating is that D&D actually proved early on the show with genuinely phenomenal scenes like tywin and Aryas interactions that they didn't need the books to write great shit. But the show ultimately became a victim of its own success and popularity

@jpb2366

2 жыл бұрын

underated joke lol

@chrismath149

2 жыл бұрын

@@rams3955 The characters in GoT remained true to their literal self. While changes were noticeable the motivations, cores and flaws did stay in line.

@rams3955

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrismath149 What you are explaining here is 90% of the complaints I've seen from book readers for WoT who don't like the show lol. And imo this isn't actually true for a decent amount of characters.

@abuabdullah9878

2 жыл бұрын

@@rams3955 The ending for GoT was mostly good and in line with the vision of the books. The only problem I had with S8 was how they ended the Nightking like he was a joke. Other than that, Daenerys buring King's Landing, Jaime running back to and dying with Cersei, and the rest was all in line with their characters.

I never knew Shad was so based he gets my respect for being honest and saying what he thinks because he's certainty going to get crapped on for it.

I'm so glad I found this channel, this is honestly a hundred times better than the "wheel of rafe". Keep it up guys, you are saying what we are all thinking. Love the passion you have for the books, and the three of you are a great team.

No man can walk so long in the Shadow that he cannot come again to the Light. I hope that more and more people walk in the light. So that one day we can have a true adaptation of Wot, preferably an animation.

@blueeyed5074

2 жыл бұрын

Yep... and made by the japanese :))

@xFirtewx

2 жыл бұрын

@@blueeyed5074 not need to be by the japonese , only by competent people who are not woke , just that.

@LOWBORN-the-LOATHSOME

2 жыл бұрын

The "writers" of this weaving of the Pattern are most likely Darkfriends that thought only of their own glory, and not salvation.

@blueeyed5074

2 жыл бұрын

@@xFirtewx Pff, in America that's really hard ro find.

@nathanmorgan3647

2 жыл бұрын

@@blueeyed5074 Doesn't need to be Japanese, though it could be. The important thing is to make sure it never, ever, ever falls again into the hand of a Western Democracy.

"I have won again, Lews Therin" - The Dark One every time an episode comes out.

@larsandrune

2 жыл бұрын

Have Not read the books but hear they are good. Ep 5 show is feminized, beta males with stereotypical gays and other creatures or characters you don't really care about. There's also a couple of contradictions in the storyline. Its just awful to watch.

@HoHhoch

2 жыл бұрын

@@larsandrune I mean, the books are pretty progressive themselves. Women basically run the world. There are gay folks, non-traditional relationships, and tons of different cultures represented. But all of the characters aren't just those aspects, but rather they're an aspect of them. Like any normal gay person isn't just gay.

@Typexviiib

2 жыл бұрын

@@HoHhoch which all the more confusing why the show runners decided to inject massive amounts of identity politics. I was really enjoying 1-4, but 5 was trash. Hopefully they got it out of their systems

@shanejarry1978

2 жыл бұрын

So accurate.

@brednbudr2406

2 жыл бұрын

You win it all.

Oz's smug expression of "I told your so" throughout the show is freaking priceless!

I watched the wheel of time without ever reading the books and throughout the show I was trying to figure out why they had a bunch of adults go through a coming of age story.

@RuailleBuaille

10 ай бұрын

Did you get to read any of the books since, or did it turn you off the idea completely?

"But mah bum!" - omg, you killed me Oz lmao. My lungs hurt.

It’s really sad but I feel like your video reviews are the only place where I can honestly express my feelings and opinions about this show because everywhere else if you have a dissenting opinion from this show is amazing and perfection you will be attacked. I felt like this episode was a complete waste of time. The moment this episode was over my immediate reaction was that at least half of the episode was wasted on characters that are not even a part of the main story. But I actually feel like this has been the case for all of the episodes. There has been new side stories which they used to explain things within the books that are already explained within the books through the direct plot. And they can’t even say these side stories were done to save time because they are nearly as time-consuming but make the story objectively worse.

@SilverSidedSquirrel

2 жыл бұрын

Yep! Amazon has the banhammer out and they are going apeshit.

@TheJordanK

2 жыл бұрын

The problem with dissenting opinions and what a lot of people who don’t like it do is they quickly take criticisms into insults or gatekeeping. That will always be shut down or ignored in the larger conversation. What your comment does is perfectly fine however. People can actually address you statements and discuss. But just scrolling through these comments here half of them are insults or gatekeeping. That’s impossible to engage with. Keep doing what you did in this comment and you’re golden! Thanks for the comments.

@realnickmasters

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheJordanK Being a content creator myself (On a different channel) I like criticism because I want to be steered in the direction that pushes me to bring the best product forward. But I agree insults and gatekeeping don’t do anything except create enemies.

@nadiatappous802

2 жыл бұрын

I completely empathise and agree, I feel the same way. You aren’t allowed to dislike the show or point out its numerous flaws. Blind worship of plain shit. That’s okay, it will be cancelled by the end of season 2 or by mid season 2. As far as I’m concerned it doesn’t exist it’s just a woke cash cow. It’s not the wheel of time. It’s the waste of time. (Credits to my friend who dubbed that name that wasn’t me 😂, but it’s apt ). It makes me want to hurl. My favourite series ever. It should be animated and follow the books honourably.

Something good did come out of this show. Your reviews convinced me to buy the books. Thanks Chad the Shad #oziswrongonrelationships

@mamochhamlhaml9480

2 жыл бұрын

Ok so we all agree on calling him Chad the Shad or Shad the Chad for the rest of his life?

@pirualado47

2 жыл бұрын

I'm reading the first book and I'm thinking it's slow and a lot of times just generic and boring. Hope it gets better.

@starfreek101

2 жыл бұрын

They are amazing. I am nearly done doing another reread.

@noroses4you

2 жыл бұрын

i envy you! the first 3 books are really good fantasy

@inspectorjavert8443

2 жыл бұрын

likewise

In reference to Lan calling Tar Valon home: that was yet another switcheroo between Warder and Aes Sedai. Lan's home was destroyed and does not believe it can be reclaimed and spent next to no time at the tower. Moiraine spent years and years there training to be Aes Sedai. The line where she tells him her home is him and her horse and blah blah "Man Shit" should have been his. Lmao

@deadskinrippers

2 жыл бұрын

Moraine was VAGesplaining much😂

@haku8135

2 жыл бұрын

She studied there for SIX years, pissed off immediately to find the Dragon Reborn, and met Lan outside the Tower. She specifically has avoided the White Tower because she RAN AWAY because the Tower wanted to put her on Cairhien's Throne and she was like "Nope, not dealing with that shit, I got work to do." She was basically ordered by her leader to stay in the tower, and she ran away from the tower. She is NOT going back there unless she ABSOLUTELY has to. So in the almost 2 decades between her leaving and finding Rand, I'd be surprised if she went back to the Tower ONCE. So Lan seeing it as his home, assuming he's EVER even seen it before then, is just amazingly retarded. Like Lan doesn't like the Tower either, he DOESN'T LIKE AES SEDAI! He's only with Moiraine because of his personal investment with her, these morons needed to read New Spring.

@shanejarry1978

2 жыл бұрын

@@haku8135 that's a good point. She really did despise being there. I wasn't aware she was only there for 6 years studying though, hahaha. That makes this garbage even worse.

@haku8135

2 жыл бұрын

@@shanejarry1978 3 years as a novice, and 3 as an accepted. Siuane got there at the same time and was raised at the same time, within hours of each other. The only reason Siuane stayed at the tower was because the head of the Blue's information network got her hooks in her and wanted to train her to take over. She only manages to briefly get out to find Moiraine and warn her about something, then she had to go back and eventually becomes Amyrlin after like 10 years. Turns out, READING THE BOOKS IS VERY HELPFUL!

@shanejarry1978

2 жыл бұрын

@@haku8135 100% agree. New spring is the only one I haven't read yet, but that's mostly because I didn't even know the damn thing existed for the longest time. Haha

Oh, and a note on Lan and his emotional outburst. Page 4 of The Great Hunt: "Warders, those half-legendary warriors who served the Aes Sedai, seldom showed emotion, and Lan showed little even for a Warder." Perfect fit with how he behaved in this episode, right?

@biggidousthethird2672

2 жыл бұрын

Don't even see the difference lol

@kaladongstormguy

2 жыл бұрын

My take is that Lan chooses to not show emotion, not that he's incapable. He was asked to be the lead mourner for the funeral, so he was the only one allowed to openly grieve. So he decided that this would be a good time to openly show how he felt. I really liked it. We even got to see Moiraine look really surprised by how strong his emotions were and that really highlighted how he's so stoic usually (and their bond for those less familiar with it).

@jamesf2743

2 жыл бұрын

@@kaladongstormguy Ah, he did something completely out of character because of something the writers invented that wasn't in the books. It would have been fine for him to twerk over the body too, right, as long as he was the designated tweker?

@dionshaewishum4179

2 жыл бұрын

Totally blew it. I was pissed

@kaladongstormguy

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesf2743 If Lan were given the duty of twerking, I 100% think he would do it. The core of his character (way more important than his stoicism) is his sense of duty. Don't you agree? Lan isn't afraid or incapable of showing emotion, he just chooses not too. But when it comes to duty, he will do it.

Their insistence on trying to "subvert expectations" on who the main character/Dragon is; plot, consistency and character arcs be damned, is the most mind buggling thing I ever seen. It's like watching a child bulldozing through a dessert buffet destroying everything in their path towards one particular cake which, while noteworthy, isn't even the best one in the room.

@TechnoMinarchist

2 жыл бұрын

It's honestly bizarre tbh. Who was the Dragon was never really in question in the books from the reader's pov. It's a layer of tension that was never there and the writers cannot write it properly if they tried.

@danielsaines602

2 жыл бұрын

When it's revealed the show fans are going to be angry. Like "what happened to the rug I was standing on!? This hasn't been set up at all! I don't even care about this character, since they have had like 30 minutes of screen time this whole series!"

@midora588

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielsaines602 The writers are clearly inspired there by Dragon Reborn book, where Dragon Reborn himself also gets like 30 pages at best.

@danielsaines602

2 жыл бұрын

@@midora588 Makes sense, just like "the dragon reborn" episode they did. Pretty sure that was my least favourite of all the books.

@jadenkorr32

2 жыл бұрын

Mind boggling for sure. But even more so that this ‘creative approach’ has been the norm for several years now.

I think episode 5 clearly shows that we cannot trust anything Rafe says.

@Sleepless4Life

2 жыл бұрын

Or we can trust anything he's said. Cuz he was very out spoken before this show was filmed and were still shopping around for it to get picked up about his wokeness and what he'd like to change from the books. Now we see all on screen what's he's been preaching since he was assigned to project.

I'm curious as to several of the changes made to characters. Take Perrin, for example. _MUCH LATER_ in the books, he develops something of a bloodlust in battle. In the show, they foreshadow this with killing his wife. Because, naturally, that's what relatable characters do. Kill their significant other in a fit of uncontrollable rage. Makes total sense. You should all heavily imply your main characters are the abuser in a relationship, it'll definitely not send the wrong message, not at all. In the books, he is a calm guy who is scared of hurting anyone. What the showrunners seem to have missed is that after discovering one is less than a decade away from a tangible apocalypse brought about by the primordial pre-universal darkness given form; getting ruthlessly hunted by eleven-foot-tall flesh eating monsters with swords large enough to cut a horse in twain, as well as by pale-skinned eyeless lads that find dying real hard to do, *and* humans in the service of the Dark One, for over two years; having several hundred foreign minds pass through your own; having one's home village burn down; discovering one's friend is practically guaranteed to go insane and die horribly; getting on the bad side of some religious fanatics who think you're some kind of demon-worshipper because of - I shit you not - _the colour of your eyes_ and have now decided they need to kill you and all of your associates; and getting hounded by a group of virtually inhuman sorceresses who want to study you, ideally through dissection of magical or practical form... well, one is likely to be quite emotional in such a situation. Perhaps even a touch prone to anger. Which would be fine to express in the show except HE IS NEVER SHOWN TO HAVE ANGER ISSUES IN THE BOOKS. WHAT THE FUCK IS _WRONG_ WITH THESE PEOPLE?

Don't worry Shad. No matter how bad it gets, they can't take the books from us.

@shawnm1902

2 жыл бұрын

Are you sure?

@benjaminwhitehead4050

2 жыл бұрын

@@shawnm1902 Immana buy a whole lot of copies to give away later just in case XD

@TechnoMinarchist

2 жыл бұрын

@@shawnm1902 So long as you got your copies it's safe. I got physical and digital copies.

@RyanFieldHuzzah

2 жыл бұрын

They can give normies the impression that the books are like the show.

@brakdanych4329

2 жыл бұрын

in theory, yes, they can't but now wheel of time will always have the image of the show, fanarts, discussions, new content they all will have a deep shadow made by the show on them

2:05:04 You forgot to mention Shad how he also goes on about how terrible his father was to which another Warder then says something like “at least a yours didn’t try to kill you”. Along with Mat Cauthon’s father, are all fathers in this show going to be portrayed as the most despicable examples of what in real life is a tiny minority of males? At least Rand’s father was depicted pretty honourably but at the same time he couldn’t even kill 1 Trolloc in the show when he kills multiple Trollocs with relative ease in the book in the opening seconds of the attack at their house.

@sigmundferd1359

2 жыл бұрын

Thom and Tam are the only non-castrated and at least of average intelligence men jn the show. I genuinely don't think I've missed anyone. They combine for about 15m of screen time...... but "men were mean to us forever so our sexism is allowed"

I very recently made a post on the /WoT subreddit talking about how I wondered if the show would’ve been better had it stuck to the books, like the beginning starting with young Egwene, Rand, Mat, Perrin, Nynaeve, and all the other Emond’s field folk and establishing them as characters, and wishing there would have been more artistic vision. It got removed almost immediately for “violating community guidelines”. I wasn’t targeting anyone or being aggressive that I could see, so I tried to put it up again, and it got removed again, with a ban threat if I tried to post it a third time. Apparently any less than positive expression of opinion there is absolutely prohibited

@facepwnagewtf

2 жыл бұрын

Reddit is a dumpster fire when it comes to rational discourse. Your almost never allowed to go against the grain of what mods deem acceptable if you have dissenting opinions. Even if it doesn't violate their community guidelines.

@Sleepless4Life

2 жыл бұрын

They're gettin' paid to shill for the show, either that or you pissed off the wrong woke mod. Reddit is an echo chamber of the wrong kind. Never go against the majority if you value not getting banned.

The funny thing is, the way they portrayed the warders pain and depression after the death of his Aes Sedai is how the Aes Sedai react to the death of their warder in the books..... When their Aes Sedai dies in the books warders fly into a near unstoppable murderous rage

I thought Perrin meeting Elyas Machera was crucial in the books. As a side note, Elyas has a very interesting background, which is never revealed in the books.

@rhuiden4086

2 жыл бұрын

Lol. If Elyas secret background was not revealed in the books where was it revealed.

@nathanw1010

2 жыл бұрын

@@rhuiden4086 it's hinted at in the books, but they never reveal it.

@TechnoMinarchist

2 жыл бұрын

@@rhuiden4086 Robert Jordan had a lot of notes that had to be cut to finish the series. Sanderson said there was easily 14 more books worth of story in them.

@out_spocken

2 жыл бұрын

of course it is. it literally explains the entirety of the wolves and how it fits in. It's incredible. the tv series literally cuts the most important bits and fills it with useless shlt like lan having a cry over a warder that killed himself. Eh.

@rhuiden4086

2 жыл бұрын

I read the books years ago, do remember Elyas and that he was a rather mysterious figure.

I believe the books clearly state that 13 weak people linked together could shield a forsaken.

@KCSamurai

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the Magic Number 13

@indianajeremy5491

2 жыл бұрын

13 together can overpower and cut even the strongest channeler from the true source. It was common knowledge to the Aes Sedai and presumably SOP when hunting a man who could channel. Except in this dumb show.

@dylantowers9367

2 жыл бұрын

It's been a while, but isn't 13 the biggest a circle can get before you need to get a male channeller involved?

@KCSamurai

2 жыл бұрын

@@dylantowers9367 Ooooh yeah there is something about that it might be 13

@TheJordanK

2 жыл бұрын

And hiring so many extra ppl just to hold a shield is not a good move. Especially if you have to have them all on screen. When you can get the same result with barely any loss to the storyline this decision specifically is exactly what adaptions should do.

Lets break this down properly - Female Leadership - Tar Varlon, Andor, Ghealdan, Mayene, Saldaea (Tenobia), Cairhein, SEANCHAN, Kandor, Tremalking, Tarabon, Altara Male leadership - Shienar, Cairhein, Tarabon, Arad Doman, Murandy, Illian, Tear, Amadacia, Arafel, Aiel, SHARA Female Leaders 11 - Male Leaders 11 (both Tarabon and Cairhein have both genders leading)

@TheRussBus94

2 жыл бұрын

The Merchant Council of Arad Doman are all women and the choose the King

@richardhockey8442

2 жыл бұрын

Aiel is debatable, since its a foolish clan chief who'd ignore or discount his Wise Ones

As a lover of the books, with multiple read throughs, I despise this show. That said, I would be interested to know what the huge budget for this show got spent on. Where’s the Trolloc and Whitecloak armor? Fur suits and robes? Why does Loial look so ridiculous? Ive seen better attempts by E3 attendees. And to answer your question of why they made the men look like cowards; It serves their intent to further their real-world narrative that all the world’s problems can be laid at the feet of men.

I never had hope for this series, seeing Amazon was making it. I will just reread the series again for the umpteenth time, and laugh angrily at the Knights tearing this show a new sheath-hole.

@reclaimerbear6760

2 жыл бұрын

I've started that exact thing this week lol

@reclaimerbear6760

2 жыл бұрын

@@ICBMSteve I just finished the prequel

@tropik5724

2 жыл бұрын

I started today to reread them.

We're getting close to 3 hours,lads! I expect season finale to be 4 hours long,make it happen.

@scottkrametbauer90

2 жыл бұрын

Nah It'll be 6hrs with only 90 minutes of on topic content

@JewishFrog

2 жыл бұрын

I'd love Shad to make EFAP long podcasts.

@TechnoMinarchist

2 жыл бұрын

@@JewishFrog I'd love for a Longman series review. But I'm not sure if Longman has read WoT.

@JewishFrog

2 жыл бұрын

@@TechnoMinarchist They could still review the show on it's own, it would be more reflective of the show's quality rather than how it compares to source material. I think I've heard one of the hosts or regular guests on EFAP mentioning that they're familiar with WoT.

@DaviHorner

2 жыл бұрын

@@JewishFrog I would actually love to see maybe a Mauler or Efap special with Shad ripping this series apart.

“I do question how much you love the books if you are ok with all of these changes...” Looking at you Daniel Green 🤨

@jonnygranville281

2 жыл бұрын

I got to where I could not watch anymore Daniel Green. He refuses to critique in an honest way if it's WOT Amazon.

@bishopthefool

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, Daniel Greene is a shill and his videos are very disapointing

@poppag8281

2 жыл бұрын

@@bishopthefool Who?

@FJaypewpew

2 жыл бұрын

@@poppag8281 rainbow guy

@myaccountisntthisone

2 жыл бұрын

@@poppag8281 KZreadr who supposedly is a massive fan of wheel of time and critical of good and bad writing who seems to have nothing negative to say about this series butchering the story he supposedly loves with horrid writing that destroys Jordan's masterfully crafted world with endless tweaks that undermine the immersion in Jordan's painstakingly realistic creation.

I'm having more fun watching this than if I watched the freaking show.

Hide your sheep, folks! Shad is about to reveal himself as the dragon! Just give him a couple more episodes for the rage to fully kick in...

@nicolasvillasecaali7662

2 жыл бұрын

He will awaken his draconic wrath by flipping the table while listing all the continuity errors of this series from start to finish.

@balrog262

2 жыл бұрын

HE'S THE DRAGON REBORN.

@svensorensen7693

2 жыл бұрын

After a few more episodes like this, the Shadlands will be replaced by a massive volcano

@thegreenxeno9430

2 жыл бұрын

@@svensorensen7693 Shadowmount

@balrog262

2 жыл бұрын

@@thegreenxeno9430 No. SHADIMOUNT.

I've been saying for years. Studios really need to invest in high-quality Animation for Fantasy, especially if you are adapting a series of fourteen Fantasy books. It's the perfect medium to use than having an actor stand in front of a green screen.

@shadowofhawk55

2 жыл бұрын

See, the film industry is terrified of that. Why? Cause eventually animation WILL replace actors. Why waste time having those massive set pieces and all the infrastructure behind it when you can do everything in a single building with a team of like thirty people and instead of paying millions for actors pay a few thousand for voice actors.

@al-imranadore1182

2 жыл бұрын

@@shadowofhawk55 Voice actors and motion capture(facial expression and stuntmen) might start asking for more money and that will increase the overall cost of operation, the act of acting will definitely be divided into a person giving voice and facial expression and another doing physical movements and nobody will see the faces of all the "Future Actors" unless thier incredibly famous and super fans really pry into it to fish out thier personal info, for example we all know who Tom Cruise looks like right!!! but future equivalent of Tom Cruise who will either give voice and face or motion capture for a famous character in one of his movies, will not have to hide his identity or have bodyguards keeping the weirdos away cause most people wouldn't know or care what he looks like!!!! and only a few crazed fans with keen hearing power will recognize him!!!!!

@AnotherHistorianWargamer

2 жыл бұрын

Yep it's like when sound came to movies and some studios and people strongly resisted it because they felt it would kill their art. Extremely realistic CGI and facial replication software will eventually replace the modern actors and sets.

@nadiatappous802

2 жыл бұрын

100%! It’s the only way to adapt it well - please see anime for reference. It would be perfect.

@remixisthis

2 жыл бұрын

The WOT Originals are really good. They immediately give a weight to the world that’s not as apparent in the live action. I’m hoping one of the Sanderson series does this, especially after watching Arcane

"You didn't kill her!" "How do you know!" I then imagined not "Check your knife!", but instead: "Check your bloody knife!" Then I thought, oh, the not bloody knife.

When I was a teenager I talked to my grandmother about how grandpa made all of the decisions on their farm. She just smiled and said, "Men rule the world, and women rule men." I didn't get it right away but a couple years later I met my future wife and immediately understood. Anyone who thinks that the way to be a powerful woman is to act like a man, doesn't get it.

Loial: "Red hair is one of the few physical traits that can tell you where a human is from." But no other physical traits than that, according to the writers of this show. 🙄🙄🙄

@alucard374

2 жыл бұрын

Helps them to explain their ham fisted attempt to force diversity. When they could have just honored the diverse nature of the world Jordan created.

“If Mat & Rand weren’t there I wouldn’t care”. That’s a feature for the writers, not a bug.

@wyrdthane

2 жыл бұрын

I LOVE THE RANT, And your two voices of reason. "You have to approach the show runners with an open heart." "I have."

@solindasedai2252

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair that’s true of the books too- mat and Rand are by far the best characters with the most interesting story arcs. Which is why it is a tragedy that they are not focusing on them more

@hankwebb3891

2 жыл бұрын

That statement was the most damning description anyone could give to this show. Sad, but so true.

If you notice, even the opening credits scene with the loom weaving and the Aes Sedai, there is no dragon symbology at all. The Wheel of Time series is supposed to center around the Dragon Reborn and the Dragon's importance, but it seems like the show runner is trying to make the Aes Sedai more important

Not giving Rand, Perrin, and Matt adequate screen time is a mistake. Every character is solid in their own way but the dynamic of the 3 are huge for the first book. Eegweyn and Naineive (sorry for spelling) get more to do once they get to the tower so artificially inflating their parts now is unnecessary.

@dylantowers9367

2 жыл бұрын

The entire adaptation is a mistake. Shai'tan take Amazon and its script writers.

@bunscita

2 жыл бұрын

I thought the same, they spent ~15-20 mins on a warder's depression and about 5 minutes on Rand who barely speaks.

@tiagodagostini

2 жыл бұрын

@@dylantowers9367 Well said, but even the Dark one does not deserve that indigestion.

@malcolm_in_the_middle

2 жыл бұрын

Nynaeve.

So, just as I really notice that shad is truly becoming INCANDESCENT with rage. My eyes wander to the left and I burst out with laughter as I see Oz's devilish grin. Clearly enjoying this. Never change Oz. Edit: I too do not watch the show but enjoy watching your breakdowns (pun intended)

@bigadam

2 жыл бұрын

If only we all could be so grossly incandescent

@TheREALSimagination

2 жыл бұрын

Oz tends to have that effect on people under certain circumstances

@al-imranadore1182

2 жыл бұрын

Oz's red scarf is kinda incandescent 🤔

@gunblade7610

2 жыл бұрын

Yep Oz has the best "I told you so" grin 🤣🤣🤣

I'm reminded of the Red Letter Media clip of what a "strong female character" is nowadays. Used to be a female character was someone like Ripley, The Bride, or etc, but now a "strong female character" has to be on a motorcycle chase with the bad guys, then she jumps off the bike into a bus filled with villains, beating them all up while the bus hits a tanker, then puts a flame retardant suit on while midair as she heads into the flames, only to have her land on the other side of the inferno perfectly fine without a scratch on her and her hair even looks amazing...

@marcogenovesi8570

2 жыл бұрын

that would still be better than the level of inconsistent dumpster fire that most "strong female characters" are shown as

@dirkbsilver9260

2 жыл бұрын

With her nonbinary partner waiting eagerly to be saved from the Toxic Male that just did exactly as the strong female lead without a thought to how it makes him look evil. Truth is people are people and making Mary Sue's out of every female lead only weakens the stories built around flawed people. To these modern screen play writers all RJ wrote was a pro TERF story. Truth that they miss is that it is a story showing how even a seeming matriarchy will be flawed and bigoted because people are just people.

@blm6683

2 жыл бұрын

How is the Bride different than that? She kills dozens of guys with ease.

@disruptive_innovator

2 жыл бұрын

couple that with insufferable character traits that are treated as virtues instead of flaws or vices

@-logic6654

2 жыл бұрын

@@blm6683 her opposition punishes her for her mistakes.

Logain actually talks in book 5 about when he's being transported through Caemlyn about how he looks up and see's a glow around Rand, knows that mean's he can channel, and that's what makes him laugh.

@0x0221

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Isn't this where he mentions seeing a glow around rand "as bright as the sun"?

@matthewmyers8357

2 жыл бұрын

Been a long time but didn't they all meet up in Caemlynn and not Tar Valon? And didn't they find Minh before getting to Tar Valon?

@malcolm_in_the_middle

2 жыл бұрын

No, that's not about Rand being able to channel, that's about Rand being T'averen. Men cannot see the glow of saidin, they can sense it clearly, but it's not seen. Women see other women holding saidar.

@shazariahl

2 жыл бұрын

Ya, they meet Min super early, and she tells Rand some of her viewings. This sets up TONS of foretelling throughout the entire series. Would have been much more productive than spending half our time with doomed warders and other side characters.

@Mrsjcoen

2 жыл бұрын

You’re right chris, I could have sworn he said it was because he could channel, but going back it doesn’t say. And I was wrong again about it being book 5, it’s book 6. 🤦🏻‍♀️

29:30 start of best rant ever, a few seconds of calmishness explaining then right back into it. I nearly choked on my beer laughing..... Awesome.

Oz is absolutely hilarious in this being the little devil urging shad on..

@jeffreytroublefield4265

2 жыл бұрын

He's like the Emperor.... embrace the dark side Shad

@youngtally2677

2 жыл бұрын

he's more like the voice of reason id say

@Errycane

2 жыл бұрын

Oz is Shad's Shadar Logoth dagger

@StonedDragons

2 жыл бұрын

Some men just like to watch the world burn. :-p

@teddyharvester

2 жыл бұрын

He was onto this show's bullshit from the start. Surprised at his restraint thus far, to be honest.

So I just thought of this but Moiraine intentionally brought the candidates for the Dragon Reborn into Tar Freaking Valon, some of whom are men, into a place where there are Sisters who can pick out Ta'veren by sight with their Gifts and thought that it was the best course of action?!? If the Dragon has a Channeling fit it's game over, Caemlyn made much more sense in the books and there the Dragon Reborn just happened to run into Elaida which set off the Tower chain of events. There was a reason Robert Jordan kept the Dragon as far away from the city as possible until he was established.

@matthewhunter1970

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair. In eye of the world she was trying to take them all to tar valon because the dark one wanted them. But they had to go to well the eye of the world instead. The bigger issue is moiraine wasn't panicking and searching for the rest of the company just walking to tar valon for a mouth. when in the books that was her soul aim to everything she did was find them and keep them safe.

@hapablap2088

2 жыл бұрын

Caemlyn was one of the best parts of eotw. Wtf would they cut it for? Just the gay warders or pointless logaine.

I don’t find Rand was whiny. I would be suspicious of Moiraine too - everybody just believes what she says? She shows up then trollocs and fades appear and everyone is like “she must be helping us”?? I find rands reaction VERY realistic and correct. They don’t know her- why would no-one second guess her? I like the fact that he stands up to her and demands an explanation.

@davezdude3200

2 жыл бұрын

I like that too, but remember that in the books, the EF 4 are young (18-20), this is their first trip out of the Two Rivers, and their parents (yes, their actual good, loving and wise parents), tell them to leave but be cautious...here, they've aged up the actors but kept them unreasonably immature...no excuse

@PouDaddy

2 жыл бұрын

@@davezdude3200 Unless I'm misremembering, in the book, they (except for Rand) leave notes for their parents...their parents don't actually tell them to leave nor to be cautious. But yes, their parents were all good and loving though.

@fenixchief7

Жыл бұрын

@@davezdude3200 have they even aged them up? They literally just took away the conservative attitude towards sex, at least that was my takeaway.

For all the showrunners talk of going to Tar Valon instead of Caemlyn in order to move things forward, they've done exactly the opposite. Not once has The Eye of the World even been mentioned yet. So why would they bother taking the Ways to Fall Dara and the Blight? There's no point. They're in Tar Valon. They've reached their goal My guess is they're going to bring it up at the last second next episode with zero explanation and drop everything and go there for no apparent reason 🙄.

@karlchristen

2 жыл бұрын

You nailed it

Morraine's "eyes and ears" didn't see Rand & Matt because, in this show, only the girls are important.

@sigmundferd1359

2 жыл бұрын

*strong genius women

The problem with this episode wasn't their little end funeral ritual, it was that it wasn't earned

@Springheel01

2 жыл бұрын

The whole time I was watching it, I was thinking "why are we spending so much time on the death of a secondary character"? The main characters are teleporting around (what was that library Rand appeared in? How did that girl get out of the tower?) but we spend half an episode on a minor character we only met an episode ago?

I would never watch a modern adaptation of a fantasy/scifi book while being optimistic about it. And I would drop it as soon as I smell wokeness. But I'll gladly watch KZreadrs I like talk about a bad show/movie for hours upon hours !

Your sacrifice in continuing to watch this garbage heap makes me tear up...

If I remember right, when it comes to shielding a man who can channel in the books, the White Tower has an SOP where they always use a full linked circle of 13 sisters for the initial capture, and never go below 6 linked sisters when maintaining a shield that's already in place.

@snarkywriter1317

2 жыл бұрын

@@grazzitdvram Yeah, that's fair. The wife and I have stopped trying to compare the show and the books since the show seems to be more a pastiche now than an adaptation, and to your point even Jordan and Sanderson sometimes played fast and loose with the specifics. I would say, though, that I interpreted the scene you describe as a symbol of the sisters disdaining the boy in the box and letting their feelings of superiority make them complacent (hence why said boy was able to escape the first time and, even fully shielded, kill at least one Warder with his bare hands, and even after *that* incident the sisters were still tying off weaves, though in the end that was due to admittedly understandable distractions).

@EndlessMystify

2 жыл бұрын

@@snarkywriter1317 It was long ago that I read the books so I may be completely wrong here, but I always imagined the box scene as the sisters having tied off their shield (hence why there was a knot to unravel) and the boy not-quite-so-simply figuring out how to use those knots to break out of the shield from the inside. Someone else in the comments mentioned a tube-like thing connecting the channeler to the source when they are siezing it and I always imagined the boy threading this tube along the gaps in the shield created by the knots and then streightening the tube by reaching out for the source through it, thus bursting the knot it had gone through. But maybe I am wrong on that interpretation. It was very long ago that I read that book last and I don't have my copy available for reference when I am right now.

@snarkywriter1317

2 жыл бұрын

@@EndlessMystify Indeed. That's an excellent point, and that's how I envision it as well. I think of it like a metaphysical thread that "links you to the Pattern", and a shield is like crimping a multi-dimensional metaphysical garden hose. My reply above was more focused on the more meta-textual "why did they write it that way" bits, i.e. what I consider the odd approach the show has taken to how they were writing Logain's capture and shielding. My apologies for being oblique (the books are very meaningful to me and I have *a lot* of feelings about the show, and it's hard for me to put them into words effectively). For me it's a general feeling that there were perfectly usable scenes and lore in the books they could have used, and I don't entirely understand why they didn't. I feel like the procedure from the books for handling a male channeler is an (admittedly fairly minor) example.

@LordLewsTheDragon

2 жыл бұрын

@@snarkywriter1317 don't forget that people only tied the shield weaves after a certain other group showed up and started making it a little dicey around so they needed to pay attention to other things.

@snarkywriter1317

2 жыл бұрын

@@LordLewsTheDragon Yeap, those were the "admittedly understandable distractions" I was referring to. :)

I knew from the first two episodes it would get worse from there. Episode 4 was like a kidnapper giving me a bit of warm food and the promise of release only to lead me to a torture chamber in ep 5

One interesting thing in the bonus features, the actor for Lan thought that crying was wrong, and that screaming was more in line. Which means the actors are trying but the writing is putrid garbage.

@Alpha___00

2 жыл бұрын

I’m sorry for them. They are trying their best, they are not bad actor and certainly have room and potential to grow, but direction and writing are not good.

@stevenstewart1033

2 жыл бұрын

When looking at the actors I can definitely see potential for the adaption wheel of time deserves. Though the writing is just.... like the voice and actor for loial is gd perfect its just his look is wrong and the writing again is bad....

@Sleepless4Life

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting thanks!

Very good points, I've been sick of stupid reaction videos opening with "I haven't read the books, but..." followed by a sack of bullshit. Thank you for taking your time to put together your well defended arguments.

Anyone saying "you can't compare it to the book" is just admitting defeat. If they paid to adapt the books, why would they change things if it was going to make it worse? Answer: because they don't care about the books and just want to use it as a vehicle to inject their message. Star Trek, Star Wars, Doctor Who, et cetera. They're all like this.

@danielsaines602

2 жыл бұрын

They bought it so they can vandalize it.

@The_Friendly_Fire

2 жыл бұрын

If "you can't compare it to the book", then why adapt it in the first place?

@Sleepless4Life

2 жыл бұрын

Amen!

Lan needs to be EXTRA stoic and "toxic masculinity" THAT IS PART OF HIS CHARACTER ARC! He is MEANT to be toxic, and he does not know the cost of being near suicidal. This leads to Rand making some bad decisions by sacrificing when he should not, because he has given up and accepted his "fate." This leads to Lan making bad decisions by sacrificing when he should not, and accepting his "fate." This is why when him and Nynaeve are finally joined, her cracking through that ACTUALLY DOES SOMETHING. NOT TO MENTION WHAT EVENTUALLY HAPPENS TO RAND AT THE END OF THE STORY! Writers do not understand how these books actually share a lot of their own views, but understand them better and tell them better.

@melanatedqueen6662

2 жыл бұрын

If you haven’t learned film adaptations are usually vastly different from written work by now, it’s gonna be a looooong painful journey for you. I learned this crucial lesson at 6 y/o when the animated version of sleeping beauty was MUCH different than the story my Mama read me every night. Y’all sound like Linus clinging to his blankie. It’s funny to me watching a bunch of white men cry about things not going their way. Y’all are big mad and it’s funny AF 😂

@Xentillus

2 жыл бұрын

@@melanatedqueen6662 This is not about things "not going their way". They've said many, many times, that they'd be happy for changes as long as they're still well written and meaningful. But when you throw out great writing and replace it with something objectively worse, that's something else entirely. Yes there are problems with the Wheel of Time, but these changes are not improvements on those flaws.

@laurapossenti3007

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know wether I'd call Lan's attitude toxic or not, but I agree with you. I think he is depected as a man whose background has forged towards a sense of duty, of necessity. He's stoic because he has accepted his own role in the "turn of the wheel", he's embraced it and used it as an armor. He's a "man of duty" who does what must be done, but there is also a kindness to him (unfortunately as you said his words are not always a "good" advice for Rand), a strong pride and melancholy. Somehow he's a man of his time, bound to his traditions and faith, to a world which could have been, but never was, which he lost before even knowing. Jordan himself was a man of his time. The show is something too modern in concept to make any comparison, and the characters are totally different. Personally I find Mat even more changed than Lan. He's basically an other character (not a bad one, but definetely not the kinda childish prankster who looses his innocence and must grow up as in the books). I'm watching it as a different turn of the wheel, as explained by Sanderson. One of the "possible" worlds.

@laurapossenti3007

2 жыл бұрын

@@melanatedqueen6662 They are overly dramatic on purpose, it's meant to be funny.

@sirdiealott

2 жыл бұрын

@@laurapossenti3007 I don't consider it toxic, and Jordan played this end of "balance" exceptionally well, but what do I call this thing when I want to communicate what I'm talking about? I don't mind using other's language when I can use it to dismantle their crap. :)

I just found out from another user that you have a book yourself. Because of these quality and honest reviews, I'll be buying it this evening. I still have about 6 more books in queue before I'll be able to start it, but I definitely will!

It's pretty clear that the showrunners don't give a shit about Rand or Mat.

The way I always imagined drawing on the power and shielding in the books was like it is described in the eye of the world, where there is a...tendril?...of the power, like a rope, or a pipe, that connects the channeler to the one power. So the shield is like a sluicegate that closes and cuts of the flow, like a gate would cut off the flow of water. Which is why if someone is already holding the power, it is harder to shield them because you're effectively trying to close a gate on a pipe full of water, rather than an empty pipe.

@TeslaRifle

2 жыл бұрын

I think the tendril is the connection of the forsaken to the dark one

@steves578

2 жыл бұрын

its more of thread, or a conduit, which only grows with more thread and weaves together almost seamlessly as it flows more and more.

@TheCreatorII

2 жыл бұрын

I believe in in EotW, the dark tendril is mentioned, but also a bright tendril connecting our aforementioned dragon while he was fighting the forsaken.

@steves578

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCreatorII I believe the tendrils were more describing the taint than the power itself.

@TheCreatorII

2 жыл бұрын

@@steves578 maybe I used the wrong word. I think our tendency is to associate tendril with something sinister. Here's the quote from the ch 51 Against the Shadow: "Beyond the doorway was stil the black of nothing, split by the shining thread that ran from his body. And out there, Ba'alzamon's heavier cord ran as well, so black that it stood out in the dark as if against snow." As far as I recall, the only other time "cords" are mentioned to indicate a connection to the power are in....Shadow Rising I wanna say...when the Dragon fights a certain forsaken and cuts him off from the Dark One's protection.

00:42:14 that line “Duty heavier than a mountain, Death lighter than a feather” actually saved my life when I was young. And here they are butchering these characters. Lan is a rock and while I can see him having a private moment of weakness, he makes sure to keep up his front. Even when *REDACTED* happens and he is adrift he poops (EDIT: yay autocorrect, poops is throws) himself into practicing to stop his grief for the other one to the point of making Sword Masters scared of him.

@Sleepless4Life

2 жыл бұрын

👍

When the warders are smacking their chests at the funeral, I kept laughing because it reminded me of Maureen ponderosa from "its always sunny"

@zyncarla

2 жыл бұрын

It reminded me of wolf of Wall Street and McConnhay saying “those are rookie numbers you gotta get those up”

we need true fans of the books like these guys to make a true to the book series

@chrisf2636

Жыл бұрын

Nahh, just need 1 or 2 to edit and veto some idiocy.

It's a shame because there are legit good elements in the show. I like the subtle way they show the animal corpese to establish trollics in the area and the rising dread because none of the characters see it yet(maybe setting up Aram's arc) I don't see a problem with Child Valdir wanting to question Perrin and Egwene, they are out of place. Finding them there doesn't match up with the narrative Moraine gave him on their first meeting. Questioners have detained people for less.

@chrismath149

2 жыл бұрын

A lot can happen on the road, especially with bands of Trollocs attacking travellers. It is not far fetched that a group is split up.

@dargoz8

2 жыл бұрын

Child Valdir doesnt say that. So although that would be a good explination, its still head cannon. So until something else is stated by him then his reason is because he saw them twice.

@HoHhoch

2 жыл бұрын

@@dargoz8 I mean, that would still be weird given that it's an entire land they're traveling, and Moraine said they were going to Whitebridge or some such. Awfully strange to find yourself near Tar Valon instead.

@philipcollier4883

2 жыл бұрын

@@dargoz8 yea true. My actual head canon is in the first encounter Moraine barely passes her diplomacy check. The whitecloak commander is convinced but Valdir is sus. He can't act on Moraine now because its too risky. If one or both the women in the group are channellers he doesn't have surprise or manpower to subdue them. Next encounter, Perrin and Egwene absolutely BOTCH their disguise checks. Valdir assumes they have some connection to the White tower and since they are hiding among Tinkers, they wont be missed.

@dargoz8

2 жыл бұрын

@@philipcollier4883 i would throw in a nat 20 insight or sense motive check from Valdir when looking at Egwain

Hahahahaahaaa HEEE’S ANGRYY!! I don’t delight in seeing people angry but Shad is just so great in general lol

@shawnm1902

2 жыл бұрын

He didn't break out the almighty stick to right the wrong though

@JewishFrog

2 жыл бұрын

Aaangy Sheeed

@jonl316

2 жыл бұрын

His anger is focused though, it's not pointless anger. It's anger at people trying to fundamentally change this series and doing a really crappy job of it.

Thank you, this put my own thoughts together nicely. Have just started reading The Eye of the World and have real sour taste about the amazon series in my mouth.

“But my bum!“ Too soon, Oz. Too soon. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

1:26:23 Perrin actually kills 2 Whitecloaks WITH his battle axe that he has carried all the way since Edmonds Field that his blacksmith Master Luhan made for a merchant guard that never paid up. Like I said in a comment on another video, this isn’t WoT but like a really bad parody..

@jonsimpson6240

2 жыл бұрын

@@norcalbowhunter3264 jebus. That is absolutely going to happen...

@BillyBasd

2 жыл бұрын

In the stupid show Perrin doesn't bring the battleaxe when he leaves

@craiggallagher4461

2 жыл бұрын

@@BillyBasd It wasn’t even a battle axe he used to kill the Trollocs, more like a wood cutters axe and not at all as described in the book. If you watch Shad’s video on the heron marked sword Rand gets from Tam, it’s a pretty shitty representation as well of both them type of sword and as described in the book.

They could have easily made Perrin attack the whitecloaks to protect the tinkers, Valda has instant cause....

@DoggyP00

2 жыл бұрын

That would be an even bigger deviation from the books than the show lol. Given the different way Perrin's group encountered the white cloaks, it just wouldn't make any sense.

@peopleschampiii584

2 жыл бұрын

@@DoggyP00 would be better than what's on the show

@DoggyP00

2 жыл бұрын

@@peopleschampiii584 that's a very low bar

@NateDecker1982

2 жыл бұрын

But the white cloaks were only harassing the Tinkers because of Perrin and Egwene in the first place.

Not really going to argue point by point, but I am a long time fan of the books and I do enjoy the TV show. I think I just managed my expectations properly: I expected the series to be an absolute disaster but I actually do think its ok. Not nearly as good or detailed as the books, but that was never going to happen anyway. Obviously there are things that could have been improved (quite easily even, looking at you Loial's hair and Episode 1 ending - meaning how easily the 4 kiddies left emonds field), but I honestly think we got a pretty decent adaptation. A solid 3/5 so far I think. I do get Shad's perspective that the show could have been so much more... But I honestly dont see it. Being the pessimist I am, I Just dont think it ever was in the cards that the first season would have been any better than we have so far gotten. Too many people in production/amazon have their hands on this, and there is too big of a need to cater to the non-book people. On average, we end up with average shows. 3/5. already is above average, though not by much. It is sad to get a slightly above average show based on a legendary book series, but thats reality. Saying this or that is crucial in the books doesn't necessarily make it so. My wife, for example, got Perrin's connection to wolves pretty spot on without Elyas in the show so far. She also guessed his point of view on violence and his fear for the wolf thing based on the events of episode 1. And she has never read the books. So, it turns out, Elyas is not crucial, at least not so far. Same thing applies to many other things.

@nyxicide

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I agree. Its also been so long since my last reread of the books I'm not starkly aware of every single lore error/change (I don't think most are errors, I think they've just changed things because they need to because the books are just too much for a TV series)

> watching the show These guys: WTF > "Is it really THAT inaccurate?" > reads the book > *stops watching the show.*

I think Shad loved it, hard to tell.

@JewishFrog

2 жыл бұрын

Yeeee the messages were rather unclear 🤔

@shawnm1902

2 жыл бұрын

He needs to tell us how he really feels

@michaelavery5618

2 жыл бұрын

He probably liked it as much as the Star Wars sequel trilogy.

@michaelavery5618

2 жыл бұрын

Which do not exist

Yeah, in the books it's pretty obvious that Logain is very powerful, on par with the Forsaken.

@danielsaines602

2 жыл бұрын

He's about the 4th most powerful channeller in the world. So he's weaker than two, on par with two more, and more powerful than the rest. The Wheel of time companion book gives a detailed list of who ranks where in the series.

@TheNordhammer

2 жыл бұрын

In the books Logain is a minor side character,that not till the end becomes a...minor side character.

@ChickenBiscuits

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. He is nearly as strong as Rand. The reason Nynaeve was able to shield Logain after she healed him (book 5?) is that she put everything into the shield just before he realized what she had done. Once he found out, he almost broke free and Nynaeve wouldn't have been able to hold the shield that long.

@danielsaines602

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheNordhammer Logain a minor character? The sealbreaker Logain. The Light's leader of the Black Tower Logain. The Dragons envoy to the Seanchan, and the sea folk Logain. Commander of two of the largest victories against the shadow spawn, one near Cairhein, the other at Pendaloan Manor. I'll grant you he's a side character, but he's not a minor one.

@hopefulmayhem5744

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielsaines602 he is pretty minor and he literally disappeared for 6 books. You can't really do that in a show if you want the actors to come back.

The only reason I don't want any spoilers is because I want enjoy these gradually increasing rages as Shad tries to hold things in. Could give a shit less about the show being spoiled, but the progression of these reviews is great

They breezing thru the story, not letting things sit and breathe - as such the plot points feel cheap and cliché, but it is not so in the books because we get more than enough time to understand the world context and characterizations, and we are there with the characters the whole way thru. It is so sad to see Robert Jordan's memory disrespected posthumously *once again...*

@Amokra

2 жыл бұрын

the only and I mean only point I will give them is that if they did only one season per book it would take 14 years and they would need more than 24 episodes a season to do it right so a little speeding up is fine but it should be put in cutting the descriptiveness of the book (put into visuals) not in the narrative.

@Sleepless4Life

2 жыл бұрын

OC > Books, just sayin' fam.

@HierophanticRose

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sleepless4Life lol. I dont disagree

@sigmundferd1359

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine perrin having absolutely zero blacksmith moments after leaving 2 river. It's his job and his life but he doesn't even say a line , look at a forge or touch a peice of metal longingly lol no character is actually a character except moraine and debatably Lan. Well Thom has some personality I guess.....

Yep- Step committed seppuku rather than spend the rest of his life dodging broke back mountain warder sausages.

Hour and a half into the video... "so the episode opens." 😂😂😂😂

Well, after years and years, you gentlemen have finally convinced me to read the Wheel of Time books.

It just so happened that i watched this review before i got a chance to watch the actual episode, and thought it cant actually be that bad. Having just now finished watching it... Holy crap what an absolute butchering of the source material. How do you screw up an episode that badly? They skipped over a ton of story and key character developments, added a bunch of useless nonsense, and fundamentally changed key characters and how their events unfold. Amazon's WOT series already had a tentative grip on my attention, and I've mostly held on because of my love for the amazing story that Robert Jordan composed with the help of Brandon Sanderson. Now it feels like the show has or is teetering on the verge of jumping the shark (I haven't quite decide yet). What an absolute train wreak this series is becoming, and it's all the more pathetic because the show runners have all the material laid out for them. As well as the ability to contact the people who could give them all the direction they needed to make the show a hit. All they had to do was stay the course, and yet they are still managing to screw it up. This is rapidly becoming (possibly already become) yet another sacrifice of a beloved story, to the alter of modern sensibilities and poor writing.

"Why do you guys make us do this??." Because this is far more entertaining than the show we've waited decades for. It's therapeutic.

@danielschroder5733

2 жыл бұрын

And because duty is heavier than a mountain

@noneed4me2n7

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I voiced the exact same sentiment just not as concisely.

@mindartis4081

2 жыл бұрын

Cathartic is correct. I can’t see how anyone thinks this show is good compared to the books.

Thank God I found these reviews. I thought I was going insane.

I couldn't get threw the first episode. Just out of curiosity I thought I'd see what some other fans thought about the series. I stumbled upon this video and love this review so much that I've subscribed.