Not the podcast being rated "18" while interviewing a 16 year old🤣.

@andzaniinthane

Жыл бұрын

😭😭😭

@mimi.4

Жыл бұрын

Bro!!!!

@jaftalwandile9987

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@masindimamafha4967

Жыл бұрын

😭😭

@leratomartha5333

Жыл бұрын

Gogo didn't ask inappropriate questions anyway

Thando is young, you can tell by the things she says, i wish she'd get guidance from someone while theres still time🥺

@Vskage65

Жыл бұрын

She IS a traitor

@noziphoku1916

Жыл бұрын

@@Vskage65and wena? U already judging😂🙃

@sinazomahlangu6208

Жыл бұрын

I also picked that up as well.

@ChayezaM

8 ай бұрын

She says her mother is her biggest supporter.

I personally think that gog should open the venting podcast for teenagers as gogo wama 2K

@LifewKhanya

Жыл бұрын

Yah

@nonkululekosibeko3646

Жыл бұрын

Oooooh that would be niiiice

@latoyamabe7554

Жыл бұрын

Good idea

@khangwelokhangwelo6553

Жыл бұрын

2k im a 2k 23 of age i have a job a car an apartment we 2k are now old as fuck thus is no longer 2k in the picture this are 2010s we were crazy but this kids are way above crazy

@nqobilegumede585

Жыл бұрын

Bra!

Gogo how about you invite Dineo Ranaka on the venting podcast. And talk about her journey of ukuthwasa and how that has affected her life now.

@gugulethulishivha4257

Жыл бұрын

I would love to watch this too

@DrunkwheeleR

Жыл бұрын

That would be awesome to watch

@seleloramahlo68

Жыл бұрын

She won’t come.

@gugulethulishivha4257

Жыл бұрын

why not

@lwethubuthelezi1992

Жыл бұрын

Some people are too proud to come to small podcasts

😭😭😭Gogo really hit us with the "yall gon wait for this podcast😌"😭😭can't wait❤

This soft parenting era is going to leave us with alot of bo Cyan and Inno. Kids are kids man and adults should guide kids in being better adults.

@supermom354

Жыл бұрын

Best comment 👌

@Liya_Nyengane

Жыл бұрын

I actually think assertive parenting is best. Not too soft, but not too harsh as well.

@Bondilethabethe2433

9 ай бұрын

Tough parenting gave us a bunch of junkies... Look around.

@tebuboo

9 ай бұрын

Resorting to substance abuse is a personal and subconscious decision that one takes. It's not a parent thing so what's your point?

@lolo41645

7 ай бұрын

Mediocre

I love how adaptable Gogo is man. Really love how you see the Good in people. You are so kind Gogo ❤️

Ghost Hlubi is a demand at this point. Sign here if u would want him next.

@Tee_Tee123

Жыл бұрын

That one wants to be payed😂😂😂😂Dj Sbu tried to get him on he's podcast

@mimi.4

Жыл бұрын

Wooo loyo nje nkosi uzokhuluma akhulume ma seba vala ipodcast kuthiwe it was a prank

@Lesego_Katheliah

Жыл бұрын

He will come here and lie to us 😹

@zamankosi5721

Жыл бұрын

That one will lie to the whole country 😂😂and laugh after that

I love how you easily matched her energy and stood in line with her maturity… it was a seamless transition and flowing authentic conversation.. big up to you Tumi.

@ClementinaMaraba-or9cb

5 ай бұрын

Yeah big up to her🙏🏆

People saying the interview was short and boring, hhayi bo. Unilayile Thando wangabi dramatic as you wanted her to be hahaha. Also she is just a child lol and gogo did a good job and didn't exploit her for information. She is a minor benitomjaja gogo if she went too deep. Good girl Thando and please stay in school.

@faiithmahlangu

Жыл бұрын

❤️❤️

Its sad to see people saying a 16 year old is right for leaving school and pursuing a career in Social Media. She is beautiful now but what will she be like in 10 years? Who will look at her when there will be younger more beautiful girls? She has been unfaithful to her boyfriend and has nude pictures on the internet and she is being smuggled into Clubs to be a Hostess! Lord have mercy.

@mashidikanemakgopa1846

Жыл бұрын

Serious shit yhoooooooo

@user-rg3nc3ko7r

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂I'm here like "yooooooooh" very very very disappointed as a professional tutor. Hebanna. 16 yeah old? Wtf

@zimgamer2.0tv92

Жыл бұрын

When I was 16 I was playing Mario and pac man

@cnehndlela6536

Жыл бұрын

@@zimgamer2.0tv92 kylie jenner and kendall jenner were making money at 16 and will leave enough wealth for up to their 3rd generation. So do not project your life on someone else. Amen

@velilentuli9306

Жыл бұрын

Very sad and her parents? I feel sorry for her shame

I also didn’t like school honestly… but I knew it was important, I finished. Not liking school doesn’t mean you not prepared to finish. And she did say she will finish. I think that needs to be the take away…

Kodwake bandla this kid is misguided and misinformed. I honestly feel for her. One day she will learn the truth about this world. She won't like it.

@nickyy61

Жыл бұрын

Honestly

@pakamantengento

Жыл бұрын

True that... I don't understand her at all... She's too young to be like this

@PrincessJournal

Жыл бұрын

This

@mashidikanemakgopa1846

Жыл бұрын

My daughter's her age and doesn't understand her actions. Thank God for my daughter

@Bee-zl2gq

Жыл бұрын

One of my little sisters is her age and and I have one that’s 7 years older than her and watching this made me realise how blessed my parents and myself are to have them…

I can't wait yooo I have been checking if it's out or not yooo

We have to thank gogo skhotheni for bringing Thando she's Soo sweet ❤❤

love how her mom supports her, regardless.❤

This interview missed alot of questions. We wanted more. Next 2000 should be paballo

Patience is something I don't have

@Andiswa_Nxele

Жыл бұрын

Same😭😭

@wtf.shannon

Жыл бұрын

Yho😢

@Rere.Rodesha7491

Жыл бұрын

Me too shame 😢

@Abhutitshepang

Жыл бұрын

Fact's

@Abhutitshepang

Жыл бұрын

0:00

Strange how the age restriction is 18 yet she's 16. Maybe I'm missing something.

"school is blocking my ways" aowa Thando😩😂🤣🤣🤣lengane is moving very fast😂

Thando has a nice and calm soul , girl am very proud of you keep going high leave everything behind better things are ahead 😊

At 16 she really does look like a girl that HATES school! Guys, you can't be an adult and find what this young lady say fascinating. She seem like a good child that needs discipline and life coaching. Gogo my love❤️

One thing people might miss, is she said it is important to finish school and she will finish.

@Thandeka.N

Жыл бұрын

Exactly they don’t post good things she said

@zandilezabengunigumede3069

Жыл бұрын

period

@--ChokeThatHoe

Жыл бұрын

The bad is outweighing the good

@nonkosifiona2570

Жыл бұрын

Kakalwlwlkwsjwwn TV

Timeline: 0:00 A snippet from the episode (also to promote on social media)👀 0:31 Intro 📽🎥🎬 1:11 Introducing Thando (@its.thandoo or Thandow) 🎉 1:27 "Who's 'Thando'?" (Aka Thandow) 🤔 1:50 "What made you become an influencer?" (In Thandow words)🧐 2:27 Thandow 's first trending moment 🎞📹 2:40 about her previous relationship about her ex Sasha Domnikov 👀 (its ups n downs) [along with extended is'gaxa!!!] 5:29 Thandow as a student (student life) 😩 8:08 Her mom as her supporter 🤗 8:46 Being judged on social media 😭 | the nails 💅 | age reveal 😮 | how to wipe with long nails 😲 11:07 "ma2000 are fearless!" 😅 11:22 the leaked n*des! (Haibo!!) 😰😬😨 12:44 "I wasn't okay mentally" 😢 13:35 The aftermath of every controversial situation as an social media influencer (in Thandow words) 😬 | Getting hated on social media 😢 (also affecting her school life) 15:43 What are Thandow plans?🤔 16:12 "I'm not into KZread [as much]🙄" | "When someone suggests Thandow on TikTok, there has to be Sasha there" (similar to Seemah & Hlubi timeline, annoying as f**k🙄) 17:25 Thandow decided to stay single for now. "Deciding to focus on myself" 😑🤑 17:42 "I haven't dated another gent after Sasha!" (Hai!!!😑) | "I'm still healing from the breakup"💔💝 18:18 Advicing influencers for promoting clothing brands 🎉 18:54 advice for upcoming influencers 👂🤞 19:49 mommy as a role model😊 20:49 doing gigs📱🎤 | being business wise as an influencer💵💳 | doing background checks when collabing with others🧐 22:37 "Influencers should know their worth!"😇 22:47 "regret on being friends with some ppl" 🤕 | Thandow regrets on being friends with a "baddie" 👀 (I know who she talking about but I ain't snitching 🤫) 24:23 "You cannot be friends with ppl who do the same thing as you!" (Preach, sis! Hallelujah, jesu!🙇‍♂️🗣🙏) 24:55 "Who's your favorite TikToker?" 👀 25:11 Talking about confronting Ghost Hlubi over his shenanigans 😂 25:46 Thandow 's nice life problems 😜😝 | "I've overcome a lot of things" 🙁 26:17 imagining Thandow as a mother 😊 (in the future, but for now, HOMEWORK!!!) 26:59 "depression is a serious problem" 😢 27:37 Advice for ppl who hate school 28:22 Random closing (almost)| ancestral or Christian believing 🛐 | about fam talk from Thandow 😐 30:02 Random question by crew member of the podcast: "Do you think that social media is your biggest blessing or a curse?" (Haibo!!! Why this question?) 👀 31:07 "Still need social media for work!" 🤑 31:25 a couple of last things from Thandow 🗣 | her official social media accounts 📲 33:12 Closing (last words) 🎉

@ZiyandaSibeko

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much❤

the way I screamed when thando said " I'm in grade 10 " 😭😭😭 hayibo I genuinely thought she was in grade 12 😭😭😭🙌🏾

@Life_with_Saint

Жыл бұрын

Same here 😭😭😭😭

I feel like I'm part of the problem by watching this podcast. Thando needs to get off SM and regroup. Surely, this life is not sustainable for 16 year old. I hope life will be gentle and kind to her. Trending for n**es is not a good look, especially at 16. She's definitely done well for herself but she needs to regroup. Hope she has good people surrounding her. Love and light miss Mamas 😘

I hope Thando gets to be someone she wants to be. Cause with this mentality, it’s scary.

You are wrong thinking school starts in term 4. All the hard work during the year adds up to your final mark to go to the next grade

@stanment4202

Жыл бұрын

She never said it starts in term 4. That's only 25%,if you work smart you can still do good with the 75% of final exams in term 4.

16 year old healing from a heartbreak. This world is definitely moving fast bro

@syeh779

Жыл бұрын

Yah neh

@KgolaganoMaboa-os1pi

Жыл бұрын

But it was her first love

@liferesetwithboni

Жыл бұрын

Me watching this as a mother of a 14 year old and like 😢

@nombusozikhali1601

Жыл бұрын

Guys don't act innocent just because you behind the keyboard we all dated at 16 yrs we all did some even had kids at 15 years guys be honest with yourselves wiybo😮😮😮

@linergyza

Жыл бұрын

@@nombusozikhali1601 ey some of us started dating at 20. It's not the norm tbh. Maybe 18 yes

Gogo Skhoti khoti is a real one for helping us find out more information from what we missed on titok😭😭❤

She is 16 and she believes school is not for her. South African fame is a gamble. She knows nothing about that

@zinhlemqobo

Жыл бұрын

But she said she’ll finish school and not everyone likes school

@nolubynature9513

Жыл бұрын

​@@zinhlemqobo💯facts... And school is not for everyone vele, it's a one size fits all forced system. She did also mention that she feels homeschooling would be better for her which shows that she isn't totally against education or learning...but the setting

@lebored1660

Жыл бұрын

Her future plan is to sell "snacks". She really needs to be a 16 year old and go to school.

@presh2011y

Жыл бұрын

@@lebored1660 🤣🤣🤣

@asonelemaguma4536

Жыл бұрын

Yhuuu! Nina and acting like you love school and that you were never a teenager and went through things you aren’t proud of! She’s definitely not the only 16 year old going through istage…there were and are many 16 year olds just like her, they just never trended.

U just know how to drive audience to this podcast... love this for u Gogo

This was a hard watch for me (this is a child, on a 18 rated podcast. The inappropriate sexy comments from an adult, regardless of gender that is hyper sexualisation of a minor) so having siblings her age I was cringing 😬. She seems like a sweet girl who really NEEDS her mother as a mother and not only ‘best friend’. She needs guidance and I hope going forward she’s surrounded by people who’re genuinely gonna look out for her without weirdness. All light and love nonetheless

@user-zf8wt7dv3y

7 ай бұрын

Stru🤞🏾

@NombusoxCele-uk3zn

6 ай бұрын

ayy y'all talk too much ,mind your business

Ey I feel sorry for her that at 16 she thinks she's figured it all out, the Backup plan that's social media isn't reliable ey. I hope 10 years from now she doesn't regret this decision ey...

@lindiwemahlangu8601

Жыл бұрын

True 😭

@kayteekmoh-lc8jj

Жыл бұрын

she specifically said shes gonna open a businesss meaning shes not only relying on social media

@lindiwemahlangu8601

Жыл бұрын

@@kayteekmoh-lc8jj even if she does, in this current economy education is needed

@Thandeka.N

Жыл бұрын

But she said she doesn’t like school but she is going to finish it. You didn’t get that point?

@esthermani6376

Жыл бұрын

She will... Look at bo Inno. They're pushing 40 and still living hand to mouth with club & p1mping money. It's not sustainable.

Why is she inviting a 16 year old mara the parental guidance is 18 ?

@JoyPrincess-fc8hb

Жыл бұрын

Same here

@Itss_mazulu

Жыл бұрын

Me 2

@lindiwemahlangu8601

Жыл бұрын

Everyone who acts funny on social media they are nice people when you give them a chance. It’s just that they allow social media to get into their heads.

@Itss_mazulu

Жыл бұрын

@@lindiwemahlangu8601 mara Thando is not doing that ukuthy nje people will find like a clip of her sayin something then post it causing drama ebe eshilo ukuthy kyadlala

@andilesthole4813

Жыл бұрын

I'm seeing the same thing also

286k subscribers in less than a year❤ you are force to be reckoned with ❤❤❤❤ we love your content gogo keep it coming 💐💕

@Roe_Roe

Жыл бұрын

That’s what I was thinking

Gogo must bring Ghost😂

@tyoda2.2

Жыл бұрын

welele Gogo will be pranked😭😭😭😭

@LifewKhanya

Жыл бұрын

​@@tyoda2.2true😂😂😂😂

@simphiwemncube8094

Жыл бұрын

@@tyoda2.2 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Makhosazana_

Жыл бұрын

Ghost wants to be paid 😂😂😂😂

@lifewithpeace4296

Жыл бұрын

Ghost is expensive 😂😂😂😂

haters are going to use school to shame her, like how The Bomb RSA use to be shamed but wabanyisa, now she is actually in varsity!!!

I've been waiting for this 'finally it's out'😊

Other people when they talking to Gogo Skhotheni they say "Yebo Gogo" and then there is this one ngabo "Uyang'thola" eyyiii ama 2000 baf2🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@rejoycethebe6486

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@kopanounity5635

Жыл бұрын

😂🤣😂🤣😂😂😂🤣😂😂😂😂😂

Thando should definitely start a clothing line we will support Mo'girl❤!!

@thandiwembele6856

Жыл бұрын

Lol.

@user-lh3fc4ll9d

Жыл бұрын

You are telling the truth 😂🎉🎉🎉❤

I'm starting to love this lady thando and the tissue part of it😅😅😅 And gogo your new name is gogo wabantwana🔥♥️

For the first tym i watch interview and learn nothing. I loose interest on watching once she said i hate school. Gogo i love u , u not judgemental 😘

I think we need a part 2 hle I enjoyed this interview

I love Thando shame , shes so sweet & people misunderstand her alott❤

Yohhh I have been waiting so long to watch this one 🔥😊

I will watch all the ads. You deserve the money 🥺❤️

Been waiting for our girl Thando with her drama😂😂❤

A big round of applause to our super mothers out there❤❤❤❤our besties

Grade 11 will show her flames😭

It was a a nice interview and I love the fact that you made her feel free to open up coz if you hadn't it was going to ve BORING......your energy is good Gogo

I felt attacked wen u said "wena ubukela ungaSubscribe" i immediately subscribed

This is so wrong... In what sense is it right for an adult to say "you're sexy" to a child's pornographic images?

@reethachoshane6919

Жыл бұрын

Yah noh...it came from another woman but the entire context w what gogo said was hella cringe. Aii

I really feel like this podcast make us see the real personality of this wonderful influencers ❤because we judged them a lot but a minute we see this podcast we understand that the are great people

i don't know how this interview with Thando made me feel , She's a 16 year old child not yet adult and this podcast is rated 🔞 . Yet uGogo continuesly laughs when Thando said she hates school not offer any advice to her as a ADULT she is supposed to be on school and finish her Grade 12 , another thing kept saying her body is sexy NO HATE she could have used words such as " PRETTY / BEAUTIFUL .!! Lastly I don't care how any of you receives this 😌

@Agrishaz

Жыл бұрын

But they ddnt say anything wrong Mus

@lesegomaodii

Жыл бұрын

@@Agrishaz i am not saying anything wrong but the context , unfortunately you wouldn't get it cause you didn't , you'll know in future how wrong this was in many ways 😉

@I-am-Grace336

Жыл бұрын

It's not that deep

@lesegomaodii

Жыл бұрын

@@Agrishaz It does not have too , neither did I say it's deep .

@seleloramahlo68

Жыл бұрын

@@AgrishazYoh misssd the point.

What a coincidence 😅 Episode 16 with a 16 year old 😂😂😂

@BeingWaffles

Жыл бұрын

Fr Fr 😅

@lethabolee9298

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly 😂😂😂

@RebaoneMaine

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

I love how Gogo dress for the characters ❤😊

She gained my follower on tiktok and insta🤩💗I was judging her all along and she’s a good person😭🤦🏾‍♀️🫠

What I like about Thando is that she is very honest and she doesn't hide anything about herself if School is not for her then that's that she's living her life to the fullest..........,........just leave the kid alone😩😩😩😩😩😩

@user-lh3fc4ll9d

Жыл бұрын

Thank you someone gets her 😊😊😊😢😢

I can't wait for this podcast episode l've waiting shm kunini

Guys i can't get enough of Gogo Skhotheni's Beauty and Smile

@neomotloung4527

Жыл бұрын

though i was the only one

@khutso5359

Жыл бұрын

Nam.. She's so fucken pretty, cute.. Nje yazin

@godlymnisi7368

11 ай бұрын

Damn😢

❤Love your Podcast.. please bring more of your initiates (amathwasa) to share their journey.

A 16 year old on a rated 18 podcast is wild and weirdly, it's not the wildest thing about this episode. If it were man sitting there and saying a 16 year old girl has a nice body or she's sexy or whatever Tumi said, he'd be getting buried but no we're just gliding by because it's a woman saying this, completely discarding that she's an OLDER woman nogal

@Keorapetse.

Жыл бұрын

100%

@romeog9292

Жыл бұрын

Maybe they got consent from her parents

@esthermani6376

Жыл бұрын

@@romeog9292Are you d.umb?

@justthandeka9729

Жыл бұрын

​@@romeog9292There are parents who give other adults consent to film their underage children nude. In the eyes of the law...it's still child pornography. If this channel has an age restriction, then younger viewers should not be interviewed especially without an adult representative.

@msk1692

Жыл бұрын

​@@justthandeka9729all she's doing is uplifting Thando and telling her that she is beautiful despite all the backlash she's getting. Why are you referencing things like child pornography? Aowa

I hated school so much, I was the first one out the gate afterschool 😂but I had to make sure I worked so hard so that I pass, not repeat a year and finish Matric.

@nduna3878

Жыл бұрын

I only studied because I wanted to finish school

This kid is ahead of her age she is way too sharp i love her She handled the akukakeki issue like a G😂😂😂

I dont know how many times ngzolunguza ukuthi sifikile yin ntombazanyana yethu❤❤❤❤❤❤

I love her..She’s more matured than I thought,especially for her age ♥️

Can we get ghost on the podcast😂so he can talk why pranks always

That whisper wasn’t whispering enough 😂😂

Ngiyangena🥰❤️I love how both of you connect like 🥰❤️

I love Gogo interviewing skills,

I jus love thandoo so much ❤️❤️❤️have laughed and don’t understand some words..keep doing you girl am happy for you 🧡🧡🧡……much love from Kenya 🇰🇪

I wish Thando didn't do any interview until 18 years. I hope if she's doing it, her parents/guardians are well aware. I hope Thando won't look back and regret being so much in the Internet. Anyway kids, stay in school. Trust me, you can always be a creative after solidifying yourself, especially using education.

🎉i love the young lady tht u are becoming thando❤ Danko gogo wama 2k for usenza simazi kungcono u thando❤❤

And gogo understanding that we as 2k's are going through alot of low self esteem/body shaming and all, saying thando 's body is sexy isn't a bad thing ❤luv u sis tumii❤❤

Gogo ke smart KZreadr like Ghost, who ever is trending o daa.😂😂 and will watch when the tea is still hot.. this is the 2nd big podcast in the country after Mac G

really enjoyed this podcast

I’ve loved thando the first day I knew she existed 🤞🏾❤️regardless of the negative things she’s been through I loved her even more. She is really inspiring me to keep up with my KZread channel honestly ❤️🎥🔥

Please interview Andiswa (theBomb) has to be one of the most unproblematic influencer teens .

This interview wasn't what we expected gogo. You should have asked more hey.

I have just realized that thandow is a nice person.People always judge for no reason and so she was helpless so the only way go be rude so that people avoid being rude to her... Thank u gogo skhotheni for showing us that thandow is sweet

I honestly love thando's confidence. Even after or during the period of the nudes she is still standing ❤️. Mina I've learnt something from thando,uguthi life is short and you gotta love your life and not mind other people's perspectives about you. I wish she was my sister honestly ❤️🥺 Thando Im homeschooled online and it's hard brah like yohhh. But go for it girl , school cannot stop you from making money,phela you making money girl. I hope I'm that next influencer and I'll surely look up to you ❤️

Thank you Gogo Skhotheni for the podcast with Thando❤👏

ghost should come to this podcast . who we really need on this podcast is the ghost itself.

l have been waiting for this for awhile

Can we please have Blulyt on the podcast 😩🕯️

Finally I've been waiting 😂❤

This one is go' be a good one!

This one doesn’t know life. She’s half my age and I’m still discovering things about life. Bathong how does she think she has arrived at 16😂😂😂.

@Sena_melena

Жыл бұрын

You not her and she’s not you❤

@ndalogumede5474

Жыл бұрын

Awuphilele wena uphume kuye

@mokgadimelba6207

Жыл бұрын

You are very small minded

@seleloramahlo68

Жыл бұрын

@@Sena_melena Fact remains.

@seleloramahlo68

Жыл бұрын

@@ndalogumede5474 BOTTOMLINE !

🥺🥺Let’s be honest Thando is really pretty with her soothing voice..☺️

Thando is a 16yr old living in a digital era ... People judging her are adults born before tech... Imagine what you were doing as a teen , tsek ! Leave Thando alone ( she is acting her age )

@Life_Thru_Ciann

Жыл бұрын

Atleast someone is getting my point, you are judging the person that is making money at her age while when you were sixteen, you were looking at your parents for everything. Thando is just doing what people do on social media done. Why the hate if she doesn't even know if you exist eses. Thumbs up to this.

@zandisilemoshoma8351

Жыл бұрын

And this tsek is to the adult?

@msk1692

Жыл бұрын

​@@zandisilemoshoma8351they mean the adult yes 😂

@praisemushayi1631

Жыл бұрын

​@@zandisilemoshoma8351YESSS😂

@Nelafyed

7 ай бұрын

Danko

Khuza gogo Khuza! All encouragement, which is okay but there’s no Khuzing which is a problem

Thanks for the podcast we enjoyed

When they said, ' what is your name on social media, and she said 'bayangazi' ... Ingane le... I wish Mama would put more boundaries, she needs to be protected

I cant wait 💗

One thing i love about her. Is her honesty

i enjoy watching your podcast as always.

When it started I was waiting for ahhh danko Thando

I so can't wait whooo ❤❤❤

“Ang groove nje just for fun” 😢 God, I can’t imagine how challenging it is to parent. This is scary!