The Venn Diagram of Sunny Weather, Urbanism, and Affordability

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In consulting, it's often said, when working on scope, schedule and budget with a client: "Good, fast, and cheap: pick two." I think about good weather, good urbanism, and reasonably housing prices the same way -- it's very hard, maybe impossible, to get all three.
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- "Urbanism Score" ratings pulled from Walk Score: www.walkscore.com/CA/San_Diego
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  • @Fuego065
    @Fuego06510 ай бұрын

    Loving unbearable heat has become a reoccuring issue with this Mr Nerd guy I think he's paid by Big Sun

  • @donalddavis303

    @donalddavis303

    10 ай бұрын

    He lived in Portland, sunny is high on the priority list

  • @TohaBgood2

    @TohaBgood2

    10 ай бұрын

    To be fair, consciously moving to an artificially irrigated desert city like Vegas or Phoenix is basically a climate war crime. So some cultural deemphasizing of "sunny weather" should probably happen in urbanist circles. There's a reason why pre-artificial water supply and air conditioning no one wanted to live in those places and everyone was completely fine with Chicago and Pittsburg weather.

  • @Arbiteroflife

    @Arbiteroflife

    10 ай бұрын

    We’ll he specifically constrained himself to places less than 90° highs and that matched San Diego most of the year. So he’s clearly not just choosing sunny at the exclusion of mild temperatures.

  • @wiesejay

    @wiesejay

    10 ай бұрын

    I bet he endorses solar power too

  • @CommentLikeDescribe

    @CommentLikeDescribe

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@TohaBgood2this needs to be understood by more people and is very much not. The Sunbelt (with all it's "low taxes" and "growth") will rather quickly become a no go zone by 2050.

  • @areader2253
    @areader225310 ай бұрын

    I think a better measure for weather would have been the number of months where the weather isn't unbearable (what is unbearable weather of course differs from person to person, but extreme heat and extreme cold I think would qualify).

  • @Kjeleman

    @Kjeleman

    10 ай бұрын

    Is there any city in the US (excluding Alaska) which has unbearable cold?

  • @cgillespie78

    @cgillespie78

    10 ай бұрын

    @@Kjeleman If unbearable means you can't sleep outside without freezing to death then yes, there are hundreds.

  • @blubaughmr

    @blubaughmr

    10 ай бұрын

    Give any cities in North or South Dakota, or Montana a try. Cold, but also major windchill. @@Kjeleman

  • @southvballa

    @southvballa

    10 ай бұрын

    @@Kjeleman Ever hear of the Great Lakes region? New England? Northern Great Plains? Half of the country's area has unbearable cold.

  • @cloudyskies5497

    @cloudyskies5497

    10 ай бұрын

    @@KjelemanIdk, I'm in the continental US but up north. It gets cold enough my eyes freeze shut when I'm trying to walk outside. You have to squeeze them really hard to melt the ice and get your eyes open. Last winter wasn't too bad for temperatures but we still had a cold spell where Celsius and Fahrenheit were nearly the same: -34C and -37F iirc.

  • @aerob1033
    @aerob103310 ай бұрын

    Times like these I'm grateful to be a person who loves cold weather and hates the heat. There must be at least five of us, right?

  • @cieproject2888

    @cieproject2888

    10 ай бұрын

    Dozens of us! DOZENS!

  • @samul7531

    @samul7531

    10 ай бұрын

    I am the exact same, give me avg temps below 10C

  • @JohnFromAccounting

    @JohnFromAccounting

    10 ай бұрын

    I'm English and if I can see the sky for more than half the year, I don't like it.

  • @vicepresidentmikepence889

    @vicepresidentmikepence889

    10 ай бұрын

    Agree, I could never live in a place with oppressive, suffocating humidity, like Florida

  • @jtsholtod.79

    @jtsholtod.79

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@JohnFromAccountingwell all the English people who do like to see the sky now live in Spain, no?

  • @tepperpepper1047
    @tepperpepper104710 ай бұрын

    I must be blessed by the strange preference of enjoying bad weather. Makes the decision of where to live a lot easier.

  • @blores95

    @blores95

    10 ай бұрын

    Living in Los Angeles, I love the rain and think our "perfect weather" is overblown. I haven't lived in a place where it's inconveniently awful (like torrential rain or snow every year), but I would love to live in a place that's cooler and has more weather variety. The bigger issue for me is weather on a short term basis, like hot and humid one day and cold and dry the same week, I can deal with consistency.

  • @marques9392

    @marques9392

    10 ай бұрын

    Not so much anymore everyone’s weather sucks at some point

  • @tepperpepper1047

    @tepperpepper1047

    10 ай бұрын

    @@blores95 agreed. I lived in Oakland CA and I missed thunderstorms. Nice to have them being in CT now

  • @davidfoust9767

    @davidfoust9767

    10 ай бұрын

    I lived in Phoenix 35 years so I guess I got enough sun. I don't mind cloudy days at all.

  • @cstrutherskgs

    @cstrutherskgs

    10 ай бұрын

    ^ same

  • @matthewmenendez6981
    @matthewmenendez698110 ай бұрын

    As someone who lived in the Tampa Bay Area most of my life up til ‘22, it’s nice to see Tampa, St Pete and Sarasota mentioned in a mostly positive light, but for people searching for “San Diego” weather you’re much more likely to live through Wet-Bulb weather

  • @DuncanAdkins

    @DuncanAdkins

    10 ай бұрын

    Yeah, I was gonna say that despite what the Fahrenheit gauge says about any cities in Florida, it's the humidity that will absolutely brutalize you. An 85 in 50% humidity and an 85 in 98% humidity might as well be the difference between earth and the surface of the sun

  • @SkySong6161

    @SkySong6161

    10 ай бұрын

    @@DuncanAdkins Yeeeep. Which is why in FL the "temperature" isn't what you look at, it's the *heat index,* which is usually 15-20 degrees higher than the temperature would indicate.

  • @JoeNunyabidness

    @JoeNunyabidness

    10 ай бұрын

    St. Pete is far and away better than Tampa, especially in terms of heat. The cross peninsula breezes are amazing throughout the area while inland Tampa is just a stifling heck hole of concrete and stale air. Of course, this all changes in Tampa by wealth. Get rich and you get a breeze, get poor and you're gonna die.

  • @SkySong6161

    @SkySong6161

    10 ай бұрын

    @@JoeNunyabidness That's cause the rich parts of town have *trees.* I was soft-evicted (my landlord was already parading future residents through my home before even sending me the renewal notice, which was an extra $700 a month, so I moved back in with my mother) from Tampa back in June and moved back to St. Pete. The place I left? Had trees. St. Pete? No trees. No amount of crossbreeze in St. Pete makes up for the fact that the entire place has been almost completely paved over, save for the strip that's downtown. Even checking the weather maps show's Tampa as anywhere from 5-8 degrees cooler than St. Pete is.

  • @CityNerd

    @CityNerd

    10 ай бұрын

    I'm all about wet bulb, can't be worse than Miami in July

  • @hugocast
    @hugocast10 ай бұрын

    Most engaging Pareto efficiency lecture I’ve ever seen 😄

  • @robertcartwright4374
    @robertcartwright437410 ай бұрын

    I love it when CityNerd gets geeky and technical and pulls out interesting, non-intuitive results from some complicated analysis. Go, you Geek!

  • @guydreamr

    @guydreamr

    3 ай бұрын

    Living up to his name.

  • @cartermoberg3092
    @cartermoberg309210 ай бұрын

    Mid-westerner here, I personally love the snow, winter, having a real fall, and all 4 seasons!

  • @diantefieldsbowling6264

    @diantefieldsbowling6264

    3 ай бұрын

    i like them, just not all in one day.

  • @whimsicalhamster88
    @whimsicalhamster8810 ай бұрын

    “There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.” Nigel Powers

  • @rogerpatry5167

    @rogerpatry5167

    10 ай бұрын

    😂

  • @CityNerd

    @CityNerd

    10 ай бұрын

    Such a good line

  • @Crevulus

    @Crevulus

    10 ай бұрын

    That comment made me do a spit take with my tea. He's right though they're a handful. You learn to love it when you live there.

  • @holygooff

    @holygooff

    10 ай бұрын

    Couldn't agree more.

  • @kevinthec

    @kevinthec

    10 ай бұрын

    "Dutch Hater!" Goldmember

  • @hugocast
    @hugocast10 ай бұрын

    Now I want to see a video where we optimize by Cheesecake Factory restaurants per capita and walk score (gotta burn off the cheesecake somehow) 😅

  • @MartySalo

    @MartySalo

    10 ай бұрын

    Tampa has a few Cheesecake factories, but not very walkable many months of the year.

  • @CityNerd

    @CityNerd

    10 ай бұрын

    There's no amount of walking that can do that

  • @cooljonathan
    @cooljonathan10 ай бұрын

    I feel like the weather being too cold is better for walking/biking than weather being too hot. If its cold, you can always bundle up, get snow tires, whatever. If its too hot, you gotta just bring lots of water and hope you don't die of heat stroke. Maybe this is my northern new england showing, but extreme cold seems a lot safer than extreme hot.

  • @thequraininstitute6618

    @thequraininstitute6618

    10 ай бұрын

    It does, trust me , saying I love walking is an understatement , but not when it’s 125 f outside with the Arabian desert’s sun directly above your head

  • @cooledcannon

    @cooledcannon

    10 ай бұрын

    It's more functional to be too cold but definitely not more comfortable imo. Cold is draining for many people

  • @dbclass2969

    @dbclass2969

    10 ай бұрын

    I prefer being hot. You go around Atlanta in the summer and people are outside everywhere. Go out in the winter and outside is dead. No people sitting at the park, cafes, or anywhere.

  • @TheRossChambers

    @TheRossChambers

    10 ай бұрын

    Heat kills more Americans in an average year than any other extreme weather.

  • @jessamineprice5803

    @jessamineprice5803

    10 ай бұрын

    Lol I love the cold too. I’ve lived in New Hampshire! Maybe northern New England messes with our internal thermostats. When I go to Phoenix and people are sitting outdoors at a restaurant in 110 degree weather, I don’t know how I’m the same species as them. (Edit for spelling)

  • @jacobschmidt6008
    @jacobschmidt600810 ай бұрын

    I couldn't imagine watching your videos DESPITE the extensive methodology sections. The methodology is what sets City Nerd apart and what keeps me coming back every Wednesday!

  • @TheArmedGreek
    @TheArmedGreek10 ай бұрын

    I lived without a car in ABQ for 2 years. Cycling there is actually pretty nice compared to other placed I have lived due to all the protected and dedicated bike paths. Transit was reliable enough that if I needed it in a pinch it worked. That said, this only applied east of the Rio Grande. On the West side it is much tougher to get around on a bike safely. Overall, I enjoyed my time there a lot more than I expected.

  • @Trilldauterive

    @Trilldauterive

    10 ай бұрын

    It’s so wild that it’s like two different cities. I live about a mile west of the Rio Grande and I’m completely car free. Whenever I need to do anything I always travel East even if west would be closer and more convenient. Heading west is almost suicidal by bike. The speed limits are too fast, dedicated bike paths are almost non existent and don’t get me started on the raised trucks and people riding illegal side by sides way too fast

  • @thomasmcroy1756

    @thomasmcroy1756

    10 ай бұрын

    I live in Portland. We have friends who keep moving there. The bike network looks pretty good. How is the civic life tho? Downtown looks like it could use some help but over by NMU looks pretty good

  • @sunglassesemojis
    @sunglassesemojis10 ай бұрын

    As you’ve talked about in other videos, neighborhood granularity helps as well. Even in cities with overall poor urbanism scores, there are neighborhoods that score well on these metrics (especially in proximity to universities)

  • @CityNerd

    @CityNerd

    10 ай бұрын

    Yeah, I didn't wanna regurgitate all that, but if the walk score for an entire city is 50, that means it probably has a balance of 75s and 25s (and stuff in between). The 75s are usually more expensive, but you can find value.

  • @user-dd5nn8dg7w

    @user-dd5nn8dg7w

    9 ай бұрын

    The issue is, though, that in the walkable neighborhoods the houses are the most expensive typically in that city.

  • @sunglassesemojis

    @sunglassesemojis

    9 ай бұрын

    @@user-dd5nn8dg7w Always a challenge. One thing I might do is pick a few things I need to be in walking distance of (eg, grocery store & a park), and accept that I'll have to drive for the rest. And neighborhoods mostly occupied by university students tend to have good bus service & walkability at somewhat affordable prices, though it may not be the right vibe for an older adult or a family. Then your final option is to be on an early wave of gentrification, move into an "up and coming" neighborhood that hasn't gone full yuppie yet but is along transit lines and has at least one grocery store. There's always tradeoffs if you don't have a high budget.

  • @JordanPeace
    @JordanPeace10 ай бұрын

    Also, to avoid having cities like Las Vegas show up on this list, maybe a better method for the weather calculation would be the deviation from ideal (75-80 highs and 50-55 lows) for each individual month and create an average across the year. That way you wouldn’t get insanely hot summers with winters that happen to mirror California weather for 4 months, and would instead have a mix of cities both hotter and colder than ideal that still have the most “pleasant” temperatures year round

  • @MrEmptyKay

    @MrEmptyKay

    6 ай бұрын

    I was just getting ready to type up this comment, and I'm glad someone else is on the same page. I would also argue that you can't have a weather metric that is trying to quantify 'pleasant' without taking into account humidity. 90 degrees in Florida and 90 degrees in California are not even remotely the same thing.

  • @AllDogsAreGoodDogs

    @AllDogsAreGoodDogs

    6 ай бұрын

    Not all cities in California have the same weather. SF is very different than SD and LA, for example.

  • @BonnerRepublik
    @BonnerRepublik10 ай бұрын

    So much for your Dutch audience! 😄

  • @angellacanfora

    @angellacanfora

    10 ай бұрын

    And his unsigned musical artist audience! 😿

  • @eddihaskell

    @eddihaskell

    10 ай бұрын

    I'm American and lived in The Netherlands for two years. "Polite" is not a term one would use to describe many Dutch people. "Direct and honest", perhaps. One stereotype which is true -- if you go out to eat with Dutch friends, they calculate who owes what more often than not. It drove me crazy.

  • @burkec33

    @burkec33

    2 ай бұрын

    I was never really affected by winters or cloudy days, but after living in the Netherlands for a while and seeing gray skies for the many months during the winter (except for a few hours of blue that entire period), it wore on me.

  • @MrImmers

    @MrImmers

    6 күн бұрын

    Love this channel, and I think most of us Dutch people can take (sarcastic) criticism. As long as you don't beat around the bush...

  • @igneous85
    @igneous8510 ай бұрын

    One important aspect of the Sun Belt is it wasn't really habitable without air conditioning, in particular central A/C. Lived in a few places in the South without A/C and yeah there's a reason people only visited Florida in the Northeast's winter. But since Sun Belt didn't prosper until central air became cheap, development didn't occur until well into the era of car dependency.

  • @michaelpepe105
    @michaelpepe10510 ай бұрын

    I have lived in Salt Lake City without a car. It's doable....takes a little work and planning, but the UTA is comprehensive enough and the airport connection is unbeatable.

  • @646464mario

    @646464mario

    10 ай бұрын

    Moved downtown a month ago without a car. 100% doable and I maybe use Uber once per week? Other than that, walk, bike and train

  • @michaelpepe105

    @michaelpepe105

    10 ай бұрын

    @@646464mario that's great. I did it while living in Sugar House. Once I moved to Millcreek, I had to buy a car.

  • @theblondebomber
    @theblondebomber10 ай бұрын

    “Dutch people have terrible personalities.” Hahaha! From now on urbanists can safely assume all irrational Dutch critiques are really a veiled shot at the Supreme Leader Urban Dutch Emperor himself, Not Just Bikes.

  • @massvt3821

    @massvt3821

    10 ай бұрын

    But he's really Canadian.....

  • @vucub_caquix

    @vucub_caquix

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@massvt3821converts make the fiercest zealots

  • @CityNerd

    @CityNerd

    10 ай бұрын

    Nah, Jason's fine, I just don't know how he can stand hanging out with those people. Just kidding, I actually met a half-pleasant Dutch person once

  • @GregDee
    @GregDee10 ай бұрын

    When I first moved to Tampa in 2017 I was very skeptical. All I could think of were strodes, shopping centers, and 5 min red lights. We settled a mile north of downtown and have been impressed so far. The city has re-focused on its core with development along the water and a much more urban-friendly design. The Riverwalk is a fantastic asset not just for sightseeing but also for moving through the city. The new Water Street development prioritizes sidewalks and outdoor spaces over parking and cars. Bike lanes are being added everywhere and walkability is improving. Outside of the core, Tampa is still as bad as the rest of Florida, but there's definitely a move to improve things.

  • @DonnyBurhan
    @DonnyBurhan10 ай бұрын

    Four seasons in Albuquerque and the zero fare bus program were some of the reasons I'm settling down here and living car-free. Although the amount of tweakers is comparable to Portland and they do sleep on the bus... Oh and the rail trail is being built this year too!

  • @pLaNbAKeR922

    @pLaNbAKeR922

    10 ай бұрын

    Rail trail should be completed by 2027. As someone who lives downtown, I’m super excited for it. The lack of bike lanes in downtown is hilariously bad.

  • @OldAssSax

    @OldAssSax

    10 ай бұрын

    Even the "extreme" heat wave this summer wasn't awful...15 degrees lower than Phoenix.

  • @JonVanOast

    @JonVanOast

    10 ай бұрын

    agree with most everything, but would argue the street situation is worse in portland. and (hopefully) abq is arguably doing more to address it. (tho still not, say, anywhere-in-europe level)

  • @nickmehl1465

    @nickmehl1465

    10 ай бұрын

    I don’t think I’ve ever see Albuquerque and Austin compared but here it is! Makes me want to check out Albuquerque a little closer. Being an Austin resident I have to say that extreme temps have to factor into this analysis. While 6 months out of the year here are comfortable (Oct-April), the 4 months of the summer are absolutely brutal. I feel like other cities suffer a similar fate but in opposite ways.

  • @jongroubert4203
    @jongroubert420310 ай бұрын

    Albuquerque? Vegas? Yikes! Have you even been paying attention to the weather reports this summer . . . and the last couple of decades? No waaaay.

  • @absurdstuff
    @absurdstuff10 ай бұрын

    I just took a 6-month hiatus from Brooklyn to live in Salt Lake City and have enjoyed it much more than I anticipated. SLC is a very progressive city in a predominantly conservative state. People in SLC have immense civic pride and the city continues to do great things to improve itself, my current favorite being the new bike path and road diet on 9th South. Since living here I've been telling friends who don't live here to stay on their toes because within 10 years Salt Lake City might be one of the best cities in the country. Decent transit, pretty good cycling infrastructure with great improvements underway, great restaurants and walkable pockets of neighborhoods, and a lot of great weather. Needless to say I predicted it as your top for this list and was very pleased to find my prediction to be correct.

  • @manmasher

    @manmasher

    10 ай бұрын

    I won’t take issue that SLC may be a nice city but it’s still subject to Utah law and that’s too far right. The same can be said about cities in FL,TX and other ruby red states. Unless you’re a far right leaning person,it’s not going ti be a good fit.

  • @gschweiger

    @gschweiger

    10 ай бұрын

    Until the toxic wind kicks up in a decade or less.

  • @rdecredico

    @rdecredico

    10 ай бұрын

    salt lake city is a very fecked up place to live get out while you can

  • @rjlindeman

    @rjlindeman

    10 ай бұрын

    serious question, aren't you afraid it won't end well there, with no water et all?

  • @NathanAverett

    @NathanAverett

    9 ай бұрын

    @absurdstuff You're right. SLC is definitely on the right path in terms of urbanism. There are challenges, such as the conservative state government's gerrymandering away of SLC's influence on the state. Still, the state is changing and at some point the scales will start to tip. Also, I get that City Nerd had to draw the line somewhere, but I think it's unfair to say that SLC gets only 3 months of good weather. Summer nights in SLC are glorious, but spring and autumn are quite nice too (if unpredictable). And Utah's winters are so good that the state's official tourist slogan for many years was "Greatest snow on earth" - promoting Utah's excellent winter sports opportunities. Easy access to the mountains is something that gives SLC an edge over its Rocky Mountain sister Denver.

  • @Jimmukun_
    @Jimmukun_10 ай бұрын

    Albuquerque has great weather imo. I really did this analysis myself when moving away from the PNW and i think Burque has pretty amazing weather 3/4 of the time. Summer can be hot, this year especially, but the low 90s average in the desert summer is far more pleasant than you might think. The worst weather here imo is the spring actually. Temperatures are great but the wind and dust is extreme. Winters can be chilly but its dry and sunny 90% of the time. Perfectly pleasant.

  • @jonamcc

    @jonamcc

    10 ай бұрын

    100%. there are a few reasons why ABQ is not high up on my shortlist of places to move (employment mostly) but I’ve always thought it would be a solid option in another life!! Same with Spokane or Reno. Coming from Tucson, I have a soft spot for high-desert sagebrush cities that are just a little grungy around the edges.

  • @mdp581

    @mdp581

    5 ай бұрын

    calling Abq 'a little grungy around the edges' is being very kind, in reality its quite a crime infested mess and urban wasteland.

  • @bostonwood6578
    @bostonwood657810 ай бұрын

    As a Utahn its awesome to hear Ogden and Provo mentioned on your channel!

  • @scottanno8861

    @scottanno8861

    10 ай бұрын

    Provo is getting more pleasant by the day. The city really is trying to make the downtown to farmers market as walkable as possible, encouraging cars to go around rather than through main street

  • @thebestbaseballguy
    @thebestbaseballguy10 ай бұрын

    Conveniently some of us love the cold and snow! Even here in Pittsburgh, with climate change we barely get any snow anymore. The summers are almost too hot for me at this point. I'll never live further south than here!

  • @LenaRacing
    @LenaRacing10 ай бұрын

    Hi City Nerd, love the videos. As someone who is having to deal with 105 degree feel like in Tampa currently I can tell you that this is one of the most car centric cities I have been in. No one walks around here, they will even move from one side of a strip mall to the other side using their car. With the heat and sun even at night (when the temp is still over 90) no one is walking around. This weather pattern remains from late May until November (we might get one cold front in October but the heat comes back quickly). Same for Sarasota minus one or two streets in downtown. I wouldn't put central Florida on any good urbanism list. SAD happens during the summer when the days are longest and you are stuck inside because of the heat. Keep making the videos as I still very much enjoy them and I search out my own personal urban utopia (its not in Florida)

  • @MartySalo

    @MartySalo

    10 ай бұрын

    Hey, the youngsters like to party down in Y'bor City and tend to do bar crawls for a few years. Granted, there are many who spend a lot of time staying out of the heat. Yes, many cars. Not much walkability.

  • @entity9576

    @entity9576

    10 ай бұрын

    Yep, lol, the urbanism is atrocious and the local politicians (especially in counties like Manatee) are largely in bed with real estate developers. Ybor is pretty cool like the last person said, but it’s a drop of urbanism in a sea of sprawl. There are people working on things like urban inequality and environmental justice! We’re just outnumbered by real estate and droves of people driving the worst kind of sprawl

  • @DuncanAdkins

    @DuncanAdkins

    10 ай бұрын

    I have relocated from Florida to Philly, partially on the advertising of Mr. Nerd and Alan Fisher, and I don't care if there are 3 months of bone-chilling winter weather, it's worth the tradeoff to be somewhere that you can walk more than 10 feet in the summer without sweating thru your shirt. Add the great urbanism on top of that and Philly absolutely clears any city in FL

  • @SkySong6161

    @SkySong6161

    10 ай бұрын

    @@DuncanAdkins No kidding. I'm leaving FL and moving to Philly myself soon. The folks who want to get heatstroke in January and want to drive 30 minutes to go 2 miles can keep Florida.

  • @daveassanowicz186

    @daveassanowicz186

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@DuncanAdkins I'm originally from the Philly area and had to move to Lehigh Acres, FL. ...and that's what got me interested in urban planning

  • @pokezx8298
    @pokezx829810 ай бұрын

    As someone from san diego and lived in many other US cities no other place has it's weather except LA and even LA feels hotter in the summer and when you take into account humidity and other aspects the weather is truly one of a kind there it's amazing!

  • @TohaBgood2

    @TohaBgood2

    10 ай бұрын

    Shhhhhhhh!!! Come on, dude! We had a deal to keep this quiet! Did you miss the meeting or something?!

  • @danweinstock4972

    @danweinstock4972

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@TohaBgood2 I think San Diego recently became less affordable than San Francisco in terms of housing so the secret is EXTREMELY out. :((

  • @TohaBgood2

    @TohaBgood2

    10 ай бұрын

    @@danweinstock4972 Well, SF is still almost 2x more expensive. We've loving the media frenzy that Fox News has raised and some of us are starting to hope that we might even be able to buy housing here at some point. But San Diego is still a bargain compared to the Bay Area. And yes, "the secret" such as it was is indeed _extremely_ out. San Diego weather is literally perfect year round and it's surprisingly still much cheaper than both SF and LA. The only thing that's keeping it from becoming insanely expensive is the relative dearth of very high paying jobs. But this is also changing and the prices are already leveling out with at least LA. The folks down there need to brace for impact. If I were there I'd be rushing to buy anything at all livable pronto.

  • @1981menso

    @1981menso

    10 ай бұрын

    I agree it is hotter in LA. Seems like it rains more up in LA as well.

  • @dmike3507

    @dmike3507

    10 ай бұрын

    @@danweinstock4972 Lol that is not remotely true. I check housing prices periodically and SD is not so bad. It has become more expensive than Seattle but it's nowhere near SF.

  • @Anglerbe
    @Anglerbe10 ай бұрын

    2:32 I sort of understand where CityNerd is coming from but to me calling timestamps "spoiler comments" is as absurd as calling the table of contents for a nonfiction book a "spoiler". I actually really appreciate it when people leave those comments because it makes it so much more convenient to come back to the video later and reference specific moments without having to waste time skipping through the video to find the part I'm looking for. For people who want to use the information provided in these videos as something more than entertainment, timestamps are incredibly useful. If it bothers you when other people leave their own comments (people who I presume are only trying to be helpful, by the way), please consider putting some of your own in the video description. That way people who don't want to be "spoiled" won't have to see them, but people who find them helpful for navigating re-watches can still utilize them.

  • @perishingflames

    @perishingflames

    10 ай бұрын

    Wanting people to appreciate the methodology is the reason he tells himself, not the real reason. Hint: it’s the same reason some university professors refuse to put lecture notes online.

  • @Grumpist1
    @Grumpist110 ай бұрын

    As someone who's been suffering through Dallas summers for 30+ years, I cannot believe peeople have continually moved to Texas over the past decade.

  • @matthewshultz8762

    @matthewshultz8762

    10 ай бұрын

    I moved only a couple hundred miles north of DFW after spending but 3 summers in Fort Worth. While they are enjoying the 105+ temps this week, it's a breezy mid 80s with rainstorms up here. There's a tradeoff of moving into tornado alley, mainly the monsoon season, but getting out of the oppressive summer heat was worth it. People also fail to mention that winters in north Texas are just as miserable as the rest of the plains, just without the snow. Cold and brutal winds make that 40F low temp feel like 25F.

  • @thomasgrabkowski8283

    @thomasgrabkowski8283

    10 ай бұрын

    Well at least you don’t have to shovel heat

  • @Tylertc13
    @Tylertc1310 ай бұрын

    Never thought I'd see the day Tampa or St. Pete win a category on this channel. Hell yeah!

  • @oscarmonje7770
    @oscarmonje777010 ай бұрын

    Agree. Left LA for SLC and the infrastructure is amazing. The city is on a grid and it has bike lanes, bus routes, brts, light rail, commuter rail, government run rideshare, bike share and escooters and two brand new airports!

  • @P4DDYW4CK
    @P4DDYW4CK10 ай бұрын

    I’m okay with cloudier weather. I’d rather have green with grey skies than beige with blue skies. The latter can be depressing too. Also - snow with blue or grey skies is pretty and I can always add on layers. I just hate driving in it (all the better to have public transit).

  • @1981menso

    @1981menso

    10 ай бұрын

    Give me the Granite hills covered in dead brush in San Diego any day over the 8 months of soul crushing gloomy skies of Seattle.

  • @eanerickson8915

    @eanerickson8915

    10 ай бұрын

    I don't like the dessert either.

  • @manmasher

    @manmasher

    10 ай бұрын

    @@1981mensoI find grey days soothing and never ending sunshine and dead vegetation depressing. That said,SD is a fine city to visit.

  • @kstanblair
    @kstanblair10 ай бұрын

    YAY! Finally Spokane makes a list. As a resident I'd its really underrated. The outdoor opportunities are fantastic and the city is really consistently upping its game :)

  • @r6798
    @r679810 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the Albuquerque shout out! Actually saw you in the city a few months ago and was gonna stop and get your autograph (official recognizable celebrity status! ) but was on my way out and didn't want to bother you. We're not a perfect city by any means, but have a lot of good things going and continue to try to add to that list. We're also in the midst of streamlining our transit line and adding more affordable housing options along the line. Hopefully this improves our transit score in the future, but also recognize our roots as a post-war car-centric city. Thanks for all you do in bringing thought provoking content to the masses.I really enjoy your videos.

  • @cadamo10
    @cadamo1010 ай бұрын

    The background you give on analysis is what originally made me subscribe. It's really fun to see your "Methods" section each time.

  • @extra_toast
    @extra_toast10 ай бұрын

    I don’t think a city having seasons is a bad thing I think it’s a good thing

  • @oufukubinta

    @oufukubinta

    10 ай бұрын

    You're right 1000%

  • @emmaa138

    @emmaa138

    10 ай бұрын

    this though

  • @BellaBellaElla

    @BellaBellaElla

    10 ай бұрын

    SEASONS all. The way!

  • @bradmakesgains8779

    @bradmakesgains8779

    10 ай бұрын

    You can have seasons without the sun hibernating in the winter like in Pittsburgh.

  • @BellaBellaElla

    @BellaBellaElla

    10 ай бұрын

    @@bradmakesgains8779 to me, the break from excessive sunlight is one of the best things about colder months.

  • @significantjoe
    @significantjoe9 ай бұрын

    I appreciate the Spokane mention and comparing it to Idaho is apt. I'm curiosity over the similarity between Spokane, Fresno, Salt Lake City and Albuquerque.

  • @natewiditor8961
    @natewiditor896110 ай бұрын

    This is precisely the video I didn't know I wanted. What a nice present for me! Thank you for your analysis.

  • @APJTA
    @APJTA10 ай бұрын

    I feel like Coastal California is one of the few places in the US where year-round warm weather actually means nice weather. Florida is too humid, and Arizona is too dry. Frankly, the only city in Arizona where I think I'd enjoy the weather is Flagstaff.

  • @hughgray158

    @hughgray158

    10 ай бұрын

    As someone who lived in Az for 15 years I enjoy the dryness, I think it’s more of the summer heat that makes it unpleasant

  • @stephentomaszewski8501

    @stephentomaszewski8501

    10 ай бұрын

    @@angellacanforait’s 73 and sunny in Santa Monica right now. And it was chilly enough to consider a sweatshirt with shorts and the grey was for like a few hours each morning. LA is still amazing weather.

  • @tim1724

    @tim1724

    10 ай бұрын

    @@angellacanfora just move inland a bit if you want sun and warmth. Pasadena for example.

  • @thomasgrabkowski8283

    @thomasgrabkowski8283

    10 ай бұрын

    ⁠@@tim1724inland and it gets too hot, like often 100+. However coastal has more comfortable weather, however extremely expensive and often foggy

  • @theysisossenthime
    @theysisossenthime10 ай бұрын

    I really appreciate how much CityNerd gets into the tools he uses and how he uses them. Since watching this channel, I've found myself using several of the tools for practical purposes. Bonus, I define ideal weather through completely different criteria that this video. Knowing how he optimized was interesting to me. For example, I am no good at living in warm climates. I've tried and failed. I require at least 3 months in the 0 to 32 F range. I would prefer to minimize the number of days in the -30 to -60 F range. I would want to maximize for the number of days in 40 to 60 F range.

  • @marydaniels

    @marydaniels

    10 ай бұрын

    Me, too.

  • @KendallKD

    @KendallKD

    10 ай бұрын

    Yes, I too have been inspired by his methodology and have made a spreadsheet comparing different places to live that includes an urbanism score

  • @michaelbouchey5794
    @michaelbouchey579410 ай бұрын

    Another shoutout to Albuquerque. I love it! I can't believe you didn't mention possibly the best bus route in the country when discussing the poor transit score though.

  • @PaulTalley

    @PaulTalley

    9 ай бұрын

    What's the best bus route?

  • @rosemarymcbride3419
    @rosemarymcbride341910 ай бұрын

    thankful that i actually like winter

  • @thatoneotherotherguy
    @thatoneotherotherguy10 ай бұрын

    Come do a SLC video. It's really changed, largely for the better, over the last 20 years. I just wish they'd get UTA bus/TRAX/FrontRunner service to increase in frequency. It is getting easier every year to live in SLC without a car. Caveat: if you really like exploring the mountains we have, you will probably need to own a car, or a friend with one. I do a lot of hiking and camping, and that renders me required to own a vehicle, effectively. But for those that don't, car-free is getting pretty widely attainable here.

  • @cieproject2888
    @cieproject288810 ай бұрын

    As a committed New Yorker, I continue to remain baffled at how it is a broadly-accepted, apparently self-evident truth that having abundant sunny weather is just obviously desirable. I have lived in such places, and find the consistent sunny warmth to be repetitive, bland, and irritating. A variation of weather throughout the year, including overcast, rainy, cold and not-generally-sunny climate provides for different experiences of the outdoors, opportunity for different sartorial options, and provides a natural rhythm to the passage of the year. Keep me out of those perpetually sunny places!

  • @gars129

    @gars129

    10 ай бұрын

    im puertorrican and the hot summer weather is quite exhausting, especially when you work from home and have no air conditioner. Can't wait till November when it gets very nice, especially in the mountains.

  • @MF-fd2ug

    @MF-fd2ug

    10 ай бұрын

    Cope

  • @RyanS32

    @RyanS32

    10 ай бұрын

    Preach! I was born in NYC but now live in San Antonio, and this relentless sunny, 100°+ weather is destroying my soul. I need to get back to the Northeast/Mid Atlantic ASAP!

  • @JohnFromAccounting

    @JohnFromAccounting

    10 ай бұрын

    Same but for original York.

  • @reilandeubank

    @reilandeubank

    10 ай бұрын

    I envy California weather not because of the sunny heat but because I live in alabama and from May to September it is so suffocatingly hot and humid I never want to leave my apartment even to walk to the grocery store

  • @BloodRider1914
    @BloodRider191410 ай бұрын

    As an Austinite, I must tell you that the weather here is anything but okay. It's uninhabitable for three months of the year, and weather here can be highly unpredictable in winter. And it's expensive as fuck, but at least there's a big push to invest in transit right now.

  • @beardyben7848

    @beardyben7848

    10 ай бұрын

    As general Philip Henry Sheridan once said, " if I owned Texas and Hell, I'd rent Texas and live in Hell." Even with good urbanism my home state would still be an unruly place to live considering both our temperature extremes and extreme weather. When you can get both hurricane and tornado destruction, wildfires and droughts, months of 100° summers and thunder sleet in the winter, it's not exactly hospitable. Land is still pretty cheap, if you can afford to not really have any social programs to speak of. It's kind of funny that we're kind of the opposite of urbanism as a state, except, I ain't laughing.

  • @ricardorangel3241
    @ricardorangel324110 ай бұрын

    Good video, as usual. LOL'd when you took a shot at the Dutch and Northern Idaho. I needed that chuckle to get my morning started.

  • @sinatrabone
    @sinatrabone7 ай бұрын

    Nice to see my town get some love here - I think your analysis sums it up pretty well. The access to nature here in Salt Lake is fantastic, and the urbanism is acceptable in the central cities of all three cities you mentioned. There’s a lot of suburban sprawl around those three cities, but there’s also a lot of energy around making the infrastructure better in each place. I’m cautiously optimistic for the future of the area.

  • @matthewshultz8762
    @matthewshultz876210 ай бұрын

    ABQ (more reliably Santa Fe for that matter) have such good potential, there's just not a whole lot of anything out there. Santa Fe has been one of my favorite places to visit and their downtown area is surprisingly dense. They even have an Amtrak stop!

  • @maxpowr90

    @maxpowr90

    10 ай бұрын

    The downside is New Mexico is one of the rare blue states that's very poor. "Affordable" comes with a lot of asterisks attached to it.

  • @dianethulin1700

    @dianethulin1700

    10 ай бұрын

    @@maxpowr90 I lived in Santa Fe and Albuquerque. I found it expensive and HOT! Currently live in San Francisco and able to afford it with no car. Yes salary is higher

  • @matthewshultz8762

    @matthewshultz8762

    10 ай бұрын

    @@maxpowr90 Yep prices are cheap which is good news for tourists but you can't find a good paying job out there unless you work oil and gas in the southeast of the state. I looked at moving to either ABQ or Santa Fe but they just didn't have enough job opportunities. That area isn't close enough to other major metros to have good connections and there's not enough population growth to spur demand for industry.

  • @a.godinez3912

    @a.godinez3912

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@matthewshultz8762I think population growth is coming as more and more people move out of red states and choose a more affordable blue one. There's honestly more to see and do than people think. I wouldn't be surprised if the Albuquerque-Santa Fe metro become a sleeper boom(ish) town in the next few years.

  • @gameshoes

    @gameshoes

    10 ай бұрын

    I'm not going to count on the Southwest Chief (Amtrak) to be a selling point of Albuquerque, but there is hope for downtown. I'm not really seeing the needed improvements made in the suburbs though. Bike lanes on the roads are neglected making bikes vulnerable to flat tires. A major concern of mine is how much longer hot air ballooning can last in Albuquerque. They keep building the suburban sprawl. All of the places hot air balloons could take off and land at are disappearing very quickly. After the end of the COVID lockdowns, suddenly the empty spaces started being developed. Now the hot air balloons are pretty much only able to fly in Rio Rancho which has even worse suburban sprawl. It's going to be nigh impossible to host Balloon Fiesta here if the city keeps building the way it is now.

  • @danrazzaia3152
    @danrazzaia315210 ай бұрын

    I passed through SLC on a highly inefficient road trip from Seattle to Ensenada Baja in June, and was honestly blown away by the urbanism and vibe of SLC and Ogden as well.

  • @IgottaV8
    @IgottaV810 ай бұрын

    It’s nice being in San Diego, and it gave me and my wife a great chuckle to see Months of San Diego Weather as a data point.

  • @zachperkins688
    @zachperkins68810 ай бұрын

    I'm glad you mentioned Sarasota! It's a pretty overlooked city despite getting a lot right in terms of urbanism recently.

  • @gbarker2951
    @gbarker295110 ай бұрын

    As someone who's from Tampa and about to move out of state, I've definitely seen it improve on urbanism in the last decade and a half. But rent keeps rising (new law passed by the state is prob gonna make things worse) and this July and August have been absolutely brutal in the heat+humidity department. And, living in Tampa means living in Florida. I'm escaping while I still can.

  • @jarrettjackson3677

    @jarrettjackson3677

    10 ай бұрын

    As a former Tampa resident as well I completely agree. If you could take Tampa out of Florida it’d be perfect.

  • @nzagorsky

    @nzagorsky

    10 ай бұрын

    As someone who recently moved to US and Florida in particular I’m wondering what is exactly wrong with Florida? Everyone says Florida = bad but I’ve never heard a clear explanations on why except for humidity.

  • @cassinipanini

    @cassinipanini

    10 ай бұрын

    @@nzagorsky weather wise theres hurricanes, but a lot of the Florida = bad comes from stereotypes abt the people that live there, since its full of rich people, retirees, and is known for the "Florida man" memes of people doing crazy things (which is happening everywhere, but Florida actually has a law saying its in the public's interest for arrest records to be public info, which is a good thing. most places dont do this though, so thats what leads to "Florida Man")

  • @cjuice9039

    @cjuice9039

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@cassinipaniniyou forgot probably the biggest reason, politics.

  • @cassinipanini

    @cassinipanini

    10 ай бұрын

    @@cjuice9039 yeahhhhh 😭 Florida's not exactly unique in that though, that whole general region is..... not welcoming 😅

  • @aquaticko
    @aquaticko10 ай бұрын

    Just a warning for east coasters: they don't have weather on the west coast. Moving from New Hampshire to metro Portland, OR, one of the most striking things has been how dull the climate is. There are two seasons here: hot and dry, wet and cool (not cold; it's rarely below freezing here unless you're up in the mountains). Within those two seasons, 95% percent of your days are going to be sunny or cloudy, respectively. I never thought I'd get bored of "nice" weather, but 3 years later, I'd kill to actually NEED to look at my phone to know what the weather's going to be like in mid-summer. I'll grant that it's nice not to feel like you're in a sauna whenever you go out during the summer months, but man, I'd kill to be surprised by what the sky's doing from on a regular basis. I suppose that's acclimatization for you (pardon the pun).

  • @samh15

    @samh15

    10 ай бұрын

    And here I am in the northeast upset about how I have to look at the weather forecast everyday to plan how much time I can spend outside. Wanting variety is great until you only get 3 months of proper summer and most of it is rainy where you can't be outside.

  • @dbclass2969

    @dbclass2969

    10 ай бұрын

    I like the south because 3/4 of the year is perfect, we get 4 seasons but winter isn’t miserable, and it rains a lot but it’s in short storms instead of all day mist.

  • @emma70707

    @emma70707

    10 ай бұрын

    Eh, whiIe do enjoy sometimes visiting my folks in the Midwest for the summer thunderstorms, I do love being able to bike everywhere mostly carefree in the summers here in Seattle. The other day I was surprised when it started to spit a bit (the forecast had said a bit of rain earlier in the day, so I did have some rain coverings in my backpack which is good because I was carrying electronics in my basket, lol), but not having surprise torrential downpours is wonderful actually.

  • @critiqueofthegothgf

    @critiqueofthegothgf

    10 ай бұрын

    in south florida i have to look at the forecast every 30 minutes to figure whether or not i can take my dog for a walk without us both dying of heatstroke or being struck by lightning

  • @rexx9496

    @rexx9496

    10 ай бұрын

    @@dbclass2969 winter here in the south it can definitely rain all day and be overcast a lot. Here in Nashville it's often damp and grey starting in Mid November and gets quite depressing.

  • @Chaca811
    @Chaca81110 ай бұрын

    Never apologize for explaining a methodology! It's the most important part of the resultant list (SF resident here advocating for more housing, it's an uphill battle)

  • @scottduke2809
    @scottduke28099 ай бұрын

    I really enjoyed the format and style of analysis in this video, bravo sir!

  • @markfennell1604
    @markfennell160410 ай бұрын

    i wish i live in a bad weather at the moment, this constant 90-100 degree heat in Atlanta is exhausting (literally)

  • @jamestong8080
    @jamestong808010 ай бұрын

    But I like my cold winter! You, and other urban commentators, think the world ends if it snows. The changer seasons are a real joy. I live in a very walkable area of Detroit. Winter is great. Put on a coat and get out.

  • @arenomusic
    @arenomusic10 ай бұрын

    9:45 Ogden shout out!!! Lived here for a couple years and loved it, prettu tiny but there's a bike path running from the mountains down to the freeway

  • @SpencerHeckwolf
    @SpencerHeckwolf10 ай бұрын

    Florida has abundant sunshine but terrible weather and tons of exposure to hurricanes and flooding.

  • @BlueHans
    @BlueHans10 ай бұрын

    @CityNerd: I'm from Europe and been living in f***ing PHX for thelast 5 years (soon moving outta here tho). I was totally affected by "UNseasonal effective disorder". The perpetual sunshine and monotonous blue skies drove me crazy, even (or especially?) during the more pleasent winter months. It's like being in Antarctica and getting snow madness.

  • @lucky247365
    @lucky24736510 ай бұрын

    For weather I would put the range of comfortable weather between 60-80 F for daily highs. I just came back from LA and it was unbearably hot last week with temps pushing the high 90s.

  • @brianp2489
    @brianp24894 ай бұрын

    My new fav channel. Love the dry humor!

  • @dotistlaurie
    @dotistlaurie10 ай бұрын

    I can't wait for your Montreal assessment!

  • @Leviajohnson
    @Leviajohnson10 ай бұрын

    Woo SLC! I bike and take trax here and it’s not bad! Downtown area is disappointingly small and we are still subject to the missing middle housing problem, but there are workarounds. I’d love to see a video dedicated to slc

  • @TF417
    @TF41710 ай бұрын

    I’m curious what this list would look like if you swapped out “sunny” with “nature”. What are the places with good urbanism, affordable, and easy access to nature, state parks, hiking trails, etc? Not sure how that would be quantified exactly

  • @sinatrabone

    @sinatrabone

    7 ай бұрын

    Salt Lake would take the cake again!

  • @swansawng

    @swansawng

    6 ай бұрын

    Roanoke VA😁😁😁

  • @96ethanh

    @96ethanh

    Ай бұрын

    Spokane, WA

  • @Wafflinson

    @Wafflinson

    12 сағат бұрын

    Yeah, this would just make Salt Lake even more of a number 1. Being right up against the mountains is a cheat code for outdoor recreation.

  • @shhhentient
    @shhhentient9 ай бұрын

    This is the video I've been waiting for! Makes me feel better about ABQ being on the top of my spreadsheet right now ..

  • @extralift2012
    @extralift201210 ай бұрын

    Hey City Nerd! I’ve been watching your videos for several years and love your channel. I’ve actually gotten a lot of other people in my circle to think about the topics you cover because of how compelling your videos are! One topic I’m not sure you’ve covered in the past, is examples of how relatively smaller communities in the US have been negatively impacted by car dependency and the urban renewal movement of the 60’s and 70’s? One fascinating example I stumbled across recently is that of Amsterdam, NY in the Mohawk Valley of NY. Historical aerial photos there prior to the 70’s are just tragic to see. Again, thanks for all you do!

  • @evanshively1294
    @evanshively129410 ай бұрын

    That income scaling is a big point to make. Yes, some incomes will increase when moving to these areas, but most people will not see an increase that balances out the increased cost of living. The reason we really see these high average salaries is because there's more pay for higher end/more skilled careers. If you're a software developer with years of experience, you'll probably see great pay. However, like you said, a school teacher won't have that same experience. In my current career field, I wouldn't make anymore money by moving to California.

  • @thetransbay

    @thetransbay

    10 ай бұрын

    For sure any conversation about the cost of California is always coupled with income scaling. The household of 4 I grew up in made around $50k and that never increased more than a couple thousand since 2000. And I knew many families in similar situations.

  • @jamestucker8088

    @jamestucker8088

    8 ай бұрын

    Actually school teachers make a lot more in Socal due to being in a union. Its software that doesn't scale because you can work from home and live anywhere.

  • @michelletabares5336
    @michelletabares533610 ай бұрын

    I got major deja vu when you showed the street view of Howard Ave in Tampa, I used to live in the apartment building that was in this video and went down this street all the time. A big reason why I left this area recently was because in about 5 years, rent went up about $1,000 and it was no longer affordable (It wasn't terribly cheap to begin with, either). This specific part of Tampa is definitely walkable, but it is NOT affordable. The affordable parts of Tampa pretty much all require cars (unless you're okay with waiting for buses that could be 10, 15 or more minutes late in 95 degree weather). But as you said yourself - maybe that's the tradeoff some folks are willing to make for sunshine and warm weather.

  • @tatianamorales9286

    @tatianamorales9286

    10 ай бұрын

    Thiss

  • @tatianamorales9286

    @tatianamorales9286

    10 ай бұрын

    Every single part of tampa has had their rents go up at least 50% which has just destroyed communities

  • @GingerConcierge
    @GingerConcierge10 ай бұрын

    Gotta say my favorite thing about the three Utah cities is that they all connect via the FrontRunner train which runs from Ogden down to Provo and hits several towns along the way. We went to go visit family in Provo and when we arrived at SLC airport, we took the tram to the train station and then the train all the way down to Provo. Cost about an hour and $10

  • @transitlover
    @transitlover10 ай бұрын

    I feel like a lot of us want the opposite of what we grew up with weather-wise. I grew up in Southern California, and when I experienced seasons the first time, I knew I'd never go back. I may be an outlier, but one of the reasons I live in New York now is that I get excited by the changing seasons. I can do without the gross summers, of course, but the rest of the year is worth it for me. Yes, I'm one of those freaks who actually loves the cold.

  • @enjoyslearningandtravel7957

    @enjoyslearningandtravel7957

    10 ай бұрын

    Me too! I love the cold, but New York City is too big for me

  • @greenbrown7776

    @greenbrown7776

    10 ай бұрын

    I'd love to live up North for the political climate and to escape the coming ravages of climate change but I am miserable in cold weather. I actually tolerate heat quite well. I'm in a conundrum for sure.

  • @katiem.3109

    @katiem.3109

    10 ай бұрын

    I'm the opposite, I grew up in Minnesota and I love the cold and snow. I live in Honolulu now (for grad school) where it's warm year-round, and I miss Minnesota weather (but I miss the bikeability, walkability, and affordability of the twin cities far more than I miss the snow).

  • @Hup.

    @Hup.

    10 ай бұрын

    The thing about seasons is, there's more than 4. Sure you could argue that Southern California has 2, but SLC and Albuquerque definitely have four seasons: they just happen to be a different 4 seasons than the 4 you get east of the Mississippi.

  • @PS987654321PS

    @PS987654321PS

    8 ай бұрын

    Whatever. @@Hup.

  • @Skip6235
    @Skip623510 ай бұрын

    I don’t know, I moved from Michigan to Vancouver, and while affordability is definitely the downside (and to me still worth it for the fantastic urbanism in comparison!), the weather doesn’t bother me at all! Everyone warned me about the winter and how awful it is, but grey gloomy skies are certainly the norm in Michigan in the winter, and I would pick grey and gloomy and 40-50 degrees Fahrenheit over grey and gloomy and -10 degrees Fahrenheit every damn day. I love walking around in February in just a light waterproof jacket! And the summer here is so lovely (minus the heat waves we’ve been having lately that make not having AC suck), beautiful sun and 75 with a light breeze every day for four months? Awesome!

  • @robertcartwright4374

    @robertcartwright4374

    10 ай бұрын

    Vancouverite here; I even like the rain. It feels homey and domestic and unpretentious and undemanding. When you want to go out for a walk, you just bring an umbrella.

  • @emma70707

    @emma70707

    10 ай бұрын

    ​​@@robertcartwright4374, do you all use umbrellas up there on the regular? Seattle has basically the same weather and most people scorn them. Haha. I'll often still use them since I don't want my backpack to get wet, but I'm definitely in the minority. Otherwise, totally agree about liking the rain. It often feels like a hug when I'm having a bad day.

  • @robertcartwright4374

    @robertcartwright4374

    10 ай бұрын

    @@emma70707 Hmm... I use umbrellas, and I do see them around, but they definitely aren't as popular as they used to be. A ball cap and the hood on a Goretex jacket makes a pretty good replacement, and you don't have the bother of carrying (and remembering!) the blessed umbrella!

  • @eddihaskell

    @eddihaskell

    10 ай бұрын

    Is the downtown of Vancouver suffering the same effects of homelessness and lack of funding for social services like San Francisco, Portland, or Seattle is in the USA? I remember visiting 20 years ago and it was quite pleasant.

  • @robertcartwright4374

    @robertcartwright4374

    10 ай бұрын

    @@eddihaskell Depends where you go; Downtown Eastside is pretty bad, with some spillover into Gastown and Chinatown, but downtown is mostly unaffected, I think. I live in New Westminster, which is part of Vancouver Metro but 20 km from downtown, and I visit only infrequently.

  • @roysorensen6131
    @roysorensen613110 ай бұрын

    San Diego weather isn't just Downtown/Harbor/Airport weather. It can be 75 and cloudy at the beach and 95 clear and hot 20 miles inland at the foothills. Or go into the mile high mountains for snow or 100 degree + temperatures in the desert if that is what you want. The county has the most diverse weather in the U.S.

  • @danielcarroll3358

    @danielcarroll3358

    10 ай бұрын

    True enough, but anywhere along the coast of California there tends to be rapid climate change as you go inland. In the Bay Area you can ride the subway for less than an hour and go from 65 to 95.

  • @1981menso

    @1981menso

    10 ай бұрын

    Anything west of 1-15 is way cooler than the east part. I prefer East County as I hate coastal eddies and those 3pm clouds that roll in off the ocean all summer.

  • @thequraininstitute6618
    @thequraininstitute661810 ай бұрын

    Being sunny is something ( LA, Barcelona, Rio de Janeiro ) and being the hottest place in the Middle East is something else ( i’m talking about Kuwait City exclusively ) Temperature in here reached 52 Celsius ( 125.6 Fahrenheit ) this summer, and unlike Dubai or Doha Kuwait isn’t humid until late summer, which means the temperatures here fluctuates so much between seasons ( -2~ in the winter and 52~ in the summer ) “ It was so hot in Kuwait last summer that birds dropped dead from the sky. “ NBS news Which is why most of the population has given up on modern sustainable urbanism ( pedestrian paths, cycling lanes, metros etc. )

  • @lisab8277
    @lisab827710 ай бұрын

    Can't wait to see what you have to say about Montréal! We chose to spend our summer here because of the reasonable cost, pretty good weather, and urbanism.

  • @tymckinney433
    @tymckinney43310 ай бұрын

    I lived in Salt Lake while in grad school and I can say its definitely a hidden gem if you can learn to live with the local drama. The inner city is surprisingly diverse with a great counter-cultuer arts scene, its got functional regional rail (except on Sundays), and reliable sunny weather for 3 months straight every year. Basically, SLC is everything you think Denver is, but better, more affordable without legal weed and plus the LDS Church. Life is all about trade offs and I was satisfied with this one.

  • @kevinwoolley7960

    @kevinwoolley7960

    10 ай бұрын

    You forgot winter inversion. Worst part of living in SLC, and you don't have that in Denver.

  • @Yardo

    @Yardo

    8 ай бұрын

    I have spent a lot of time in both cities because I have family in both. Was just in SLC last month. I would say you're generally right but also Denver is a lot bigger and has a more walkable downtown that I find to be more lively.

  • @JohnDoe-my5ip
    @JohnDoe-my5ip10 ай бұрын

    I have unorthodox views of “good weather.” For me, it’s relatively low disaster risk, good air quality, limited risk of lethal wet bulb events(>95F), and sunny days. Minneapolis has good weather in my book, as does (a few miles inland of) the Acela corridor. Atlanta would be acceptable too. Florida and Texas have truly horrible weather. California doesn’t rank well either. 70 and sunny isn’t enjoyable when the sky is orange. Chicago still scores poorly here - it is perhaps the most vulnerable city in the US to heat deaths, and they’re vulnerable to derechos and tornadoes too. I can’t do the whole 6 months of never seeing the sun that they get in Seattle and Buffalo. It’s very depressing.

  • @tristancassel8986
    @tristancassel898610 ай бұрын

    Love this video. Such a good way to look at the data.

  • @guyroach
    @guyroach10 ай бұрын

    Love learning about your process ❤

  • @veraxiana9993
    @veraxiana999310 ай бұрын

    Watching this video really opened my eyes to how much my ideal weather differs from most people lol, I consider San Diego too hot & uncomfortable. Anything above 70s Fahrenheit I dislike 😅

  • @TStrait21

    @TStrait21

    10 ай бұрын

    I see a lot of this sentiment in these comments and less like mine so I figured I'd chime in as someone who's living in San Diego. I do envy people who actually enjoy what I consider bad weather or what most consider varied weather, but it's not for me. It would certainly be easier on my wallet 😅 but for me San Diego is worth it 100%.

  • @shannonbailey2837
    @shannonbailey283710 ай бұрын

    I love that Tampa made the list, but I live in the very walkable part of Tampa, and it's been too hot to step outside for months. In the winter, I walk to work most days and often to dinner or the park everyday, but June-Sept is nearly impossible. As someone who loves walking, I really do mean it's deadly to be outside right now. Thank you for considering us, though. Love your channel and spreadsheets!

  • @AndreaMartinez-qu1be

    @AndreaMartinez-qu1be

    10 ай бұрын

    Totally agree. I lived in Tampa and St Pete. It’s just too hot to be outside. And when you are it’s normal to go home and crash from being exhausted from the heat.

  • @robinrussell7965
    @robinrussell796510 ай бұрын

    You can take the city bus to the ski slopes from SLC.

  • @topolojack
    @topolojack10 ай бұрын

    ahhh you're taking me back to college econ with a pareto efficiency analysis. i love it.

  • @andrewpaul5853
    @andrewpaul585310 ай бұрын

    Grew up in Tampa. The weather is acceptable in the autumn and winter, but in the summer it's quite impossible to stay outside with the combination of bugs, heat, and humidity. And I'm amazed that Tampa met the threshold for urbanism. I'm not aware of any substantial public transit in the area, and I've never heard of anyone biking to get anywhere in Tampa. It can actually take 15-20 minutes to get from a suburban house to a highway. I'd be interested in a video on the Tampa Bay Area, and in general, metro areas that are a patchwork of multiple medium sized cities as opposed to metro areas that are focused around a single large city. My impression is that the former tends to have less amenities and less effective urban design.

  • @loganbryck

    @loganbryck

    10 ай бұрын

    I can't speak for Tampa, but St Pete and Sarasota both seem to have done a reasonably good job at building dense housing downtown, turning them from dead "central business districts" into actual livable neighborhoods with 24/7 activity. The rest of each city is pretty much straight garbage from an urbanism perspective, but those down towns go a long way to make those gulf coast cities stand out. Those downtowns probably benefit from a lot more activity by being a magnet for people on the suburban fringes, since there aren't as many enjoyable neighborhood commercial streets as in a city like Portland or SF. Everyone HAS to go downtown to have that walkable "on the town" experience, so the streets are disproportionately lively for cities that small.

  • @theaewsomepups2.0

    @theaewsomepups2.0

    10 ай бұрын

    Haha yeah, look at how much of a mess the LANTA bus system - which got 15 minute headways for the first time anywhere on the system this year, and only where two major routes run together - is despite the cores of Allentown, Bethlehem, and Easton all being more than dense and walkable enough to support good service

  • @katesweeney9101

    @katesweeney9101

    10 ай бұрын

    But when you compare Tampa to other areas of the US - where the winter and snow keeps people inside, as does the humidity in the summer - Tampa seems pretty nice. If I can be outdoors 8-9 months of the year, I'm happy.

  • @brianglas7768

    @brianglas7768

    10 ай бұрын

    I do like the neighborhood around Berns Steakhouse on Howard. Although those houses were selling at Seattle prices.

  • @alwaysardent1125

    @alwaysardent1125

    10 ай бұрын

    Tampa, Orlando, and Vegas. All of which I'm surprised qualified under these criteria for want of a modicum of urbanism but also weather is kinda hellacious.

  • @3of11
    @3of1110 ай бұрын

    I’ve spent time in Orlando and tampa and I’m going to put Orlando ahead. I knew people who lived carfree in Orlando it’s doable. Sunrail is nice. Don’t have to run from hurricanes. To save some money. Live in the old central part of sanford florida about 40 minute train ride from downtown Orlando. There’s also Gainesville. A decent size college down with a decent bus and bike network. And more arts and culture than a city of its size would suggest. Remarkably affordable too. Plenty of high paying jobs fields.

  • @MartySalo
    @MartySalo10 ай бұрын

    Thanks Mr. Nerd. I like the weather in Tampa, FL. We haven't been wiped out by Hurricanes just yet.

  • @Unterwelten
    @Unterwelten10 ай бұрын

    Nerd, excited that you're coming to Montréal! May to September are best.

  • @AndrewBehm
    @AndrewBehm10 ай бұрын

    I might be a weirdo, but I feel like I’d get sick of San Diego weather quicker than I would Seattle’s

  • @EricaGamet

    @EricaGamet

    10 ай бұрын

    I live in Seattle and I couldn't imagine being in San Diego every day of the year.

  • @erichamilton3373

    @erichamilton3373

    10 ай бұрын

    Don't worry: lots of gloom and overcast in the coastal parts of San Diego.

  • @ervin7178
    @ervin717810 ай бұрын

    I think it would better to do a more specific topic, like best cities for outdoor recreation, or beaches or whatever. Just using temperature alone is silly since humid Florida weather is very different than San Diego weather. Kinda hard to make this since different people have different opinions of ideal weather. But sweating in the 100% humidity and 90 degree Florida isn’t ideal (I’ve lived there)There’s a reason everything has all the air conditioning there. I think a big thing for me is weather that is good for outdoor recreation year around. I live in the Bay Area which is perfect for that but grew up in the northeast. The problem with the area of the northeast where I grew up is it doesn’t snow anymore enough to ski so it’s just cold, muddy and brown for 6 months of the year. I would consider living somewhere with snowy winter and real mountains but having perfect cycling weather all year in the bay is hard to beat.

  • @cassinipanini

    @cassinipanini

    10 ай бұрын

    Humidity makes a huge difference - signed, a Southerner. Used to drive a car with no AC and the only working window was the SUNROOF. Let me tell you, having to open the car door at stoplights to avoid heat stroke had me on deaths door a few times. The problem with humidity is you cant sweat to cool down, so you can actually get heat stroke at much lower temps than out west, and you wont even realize it most of the time.

  • @JWynia
    @JWynia10 ай бұрын

    I did my own version of this last year and surprised myself to keep coming back to Albuquerque. Fun to see that validated by another analytical approach. Headed there as soon as I can make the logistics make sense.

  • @rteitel1974

    @rteitel1974

    8 ай бұрын

    I did as well and keep on coming back to Las Cruces for retirement!

  • @sgtpepperrox
    @sgtpepperrox10 ай бұрын

    Bay Area school teacher here! Pay....sort of scales, but not enough. I definitely make more than most (as a 10 year teacher with a Masters and some continuing education credits, I can earn about 110k in my district), but to get those salaries you generally need to teach in wealthier suburbs (i.e. no urbanism). And then, to afford rent or a mortgage, you generally need to be commuting to these wealthier suburbs from lower income suburbs by car, which isn't particularly urbanist (BART exists but generally isn't near schools, and it's expensive af). Teachers I know who teach AND live in the more urbanist cities like SF or Berkeley struggle considerably more with affordability, and/or are considerably more likely to be in a shared housing situation. Those who comfortably live in the area often are getting help from parents in the area or are partnered with someone with considerably higher income (tech, finance). Obviously there are exceptions to this, but these are general trends I've noticed from growing up here and now teaching here.

  • @646464mario
    @646464mario10 ай бұрын

    I just moved to Salt Lake last month and can confirm sunniness and decent urbanism for an American city. One thing I really do like about this city is that better urbanism is an actual conversation here in the city… constantly talking about better infrastructure for cyclists, pedestrians as well as expanded rail. I think if it stays on this trajectory, there is a bright future here. And while SLC may not be as diverse as some other big cities, the talk about how there is none here is grossly exaggerated. There is a decent amount in downtown.

  • @ethanstump

    @ethanstump

    10 ай бұрын

    downtowns are usually more diverse than suburbs though, and Utah has it's fair share of suburbs. I'm in Ogden, and while I'm glad they just built a BRT right across from my window here, I'm always surprised more people don't understand the history of how the rail was taken out of the street here. SLC saved their street car, but even Ogden used to have a street car in the 1920's. thinking "wow, i can't wait until Ogden has proper light rail, just like it did over a century ago!" makes me far more pessimistic than most people, yet more educated than others. most people really don't understand how far the car actually put us behind. as Oscar wilde put it "the best of the poor are ungrateful."

  • @646464mario

    @646464mario

    10 ай бұрын

    @@ethanstump what you’re describing about Ogden losing rail is literally what happened to almost every other city in the US though. The best we can do is reverse it and reintroduce rail and I think Utah is currently doing it better than most.

  • @MikeP2055

    @MikeP2055

    10 ай бұрын

    I always say SLC is like any "normal" city. Provo/Utah County on the other hand . . . Oof. What a weird valley. Perfectly lovely folks, but good lord, churches and white folk as far as the eye can see, haha. Going from Orem to my condo in the Avenues feels like an exotic adventure to the big city.

  • @rdecredico

    @rdecredico

    10 ай бұрын

    if you a normal person you gonna find out why salt lake city sucks as a place to live within the next two years soon will be a toxic wasteland due to climate change

  • @walpoleandworcester
    @walpoleandworcester10 ай бұрын

    Sunny could also really suck depending on where you are. The kind that's super humid and where your face and eyes are drenched in sweat is the worst. Even the colder places out there can have some great summers too. I like a good middle ground where it's just right and maybe it snows every once in a while.

  • @KellyClowers
    @KellyClowers10 ай бұрын

    Oh your methods and thoughts are the best part. No reason to just skip to the numbers

  • @alwaysardent1125
    @alwaysardent112510 ай бұрын

    Feel like this video was made for me specifically. Thank you, very educational

  • @hughgray158
    @hughgray15810 ай бұрын

    I think Baltimore is a underrated pick, affordable, solid urbanism, and while definitely not San Diego weather it’s not bad

  • @bigdawggkev

    @bigdawggkev

    10 ай бұрын

    Pittsburgh as well except the weather isn't the best

  • @BillyBlaze6907

    @BillyBlaze6907

    10 ай бұрын

    Maybe he should add "not getting shot" as a 4th metric

  • @user-dg4yq5wr2f
    @user-dg4yq5wr2f10 ай бұрын

    You should visit SLC, it’s pretty unique in a lot of ways. Big ish city next to mountains and a lake that constrains sprawl to the east and west. Fastest growing state of the past decade. Very blue city in a very red state creating an interesting dynamic. Super wide roads, and expanding light rail and commuter rail system. A downtown population expected to double in the next couple years. Likely Olympic city again etc.

  • @omara.157

    @omara.157

    10 ай бұрын

    Ditto this, SLC is a city of surprises for the uninitiated :P That being said, with our housing price crisis and actually having a winter (no complaints here), I am mildly surprised we got anywhere near this list, though I suppose it's hard to be as bad as Cali

  • @ethanstump

    @ethanstump

    10 ай бұрын

    @@omara.157 just being less bad than other places when it comes to pricing actually is what people are looking for (housing is so bad in the USA, that even if it's just "bad", that's tons better than places that have homeless metropolitan areas, because they made sure to underbuild.)

  • @omara.157

    @omara.157

    10 ай бұрын

    @@ethanstump yep, especially when a lot of the newcomers (particularly from Cali) just faced California prices

  • @jonhowe2960

    @jonhowe2960

    10 ай бұрын

    I can't get the sound of that annoying choir out of my head.

  • @ethanstump

    @ethanstump

    10 ай бұрын

    @@jonhowe2960 it's worse if your exmormon. i'll probably be sixty and still be able to sing hymns off the top of the esophagus.

  • @mg5570
    @mg55709 ай бұрын

    Geographer/Urban Designer here 🙋‍♀I work for an organization that increases urban tree canopy and green space. Love your videos!

  • @klingerfpv6802
    @klingerfpv680210 ай бұрын

    I was born and raised in Sarasota and yes, it’s a great place. Our parks are incredible and well maintained and they’re always building more. We recently got bike trail extended into downtown and a BRT (VERY) light trolley system running down main street and out to lido key with 20min frequency and an app to track trolleys live. That being said, it’s mostly suburban and miserably hot parking lots. Lots of potential for improvement though with gorgeous old growth street trees all over the county. Thanks for helping me make my home a safe place for everyone 🤝

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