The Vegan Cyclist on the Future of US Bike Racing

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A special episode of the Nero Show featuring an in person chat with Tyler Pearce aka ‪@TheVCAdventures‬.
After a couple of weeks riding together we sat down and went over a range of topics including his love of road racing and what has pushed him away from the disciple. The rise of gravel, at both an amateur and elite level.
We talk about Tylers own KZread journey, the impossible route, his sponsors and his awkwardness with the Ultra Distance National Championships.
Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:19 FUTURE OF RACING IN THE USA
20:00 WHY CHOOSE GRAVEL?
29:00 GRAVEL ON KZread
36:00 THE VC KZread CHANNEL
44:12 RATING CANYON BIKES
55:24 HOW MUCH DO YOU MAKE FROM YT?
1:01:00 IMPOSSIBLE ROUTE
1:10:13 ULTRA DISTRANCE NATIONALS
1:30:14 YOUR FAMILY
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  • @TheJhnyDrmr
    @TheJhnyDrmr10 ай бұрын

    @TheVeganCyclist is the real deal. He is who he is, on social, and real-life. I got to meet him and ride with him at the Eliel Shake-Out ride at Unbound this year. He rolled up next to me and chatted me up asking about my story I told him I used to weigh 400lbs and decided to make a change and his videos are great motivation and inspiration. He was generally interested and I felt like he showed genuine interest. Thanks for this interview.

  • @ryansuchodolski68
    @ryansuchodolski6810 ай бұрын

    Tyler is awesome. Im a Veteran and have been through a lot of trauma and he his videos has got me through some really hard times and ultimately, gave me motivation and resilience to keep going in life and stay alive. Thank you so much Tyler!

  • @AdamJStoryDC
    @AdamJStoryDC10 ай бұрын

    Why hasn’t cyclocross taken off? It’s fun, better for spectators and families, it’s only an hour and if you’re fit, you can do multiple races. Love gravel, but not everyone wants to do a 4-6hour day. Just curious

  • @XxxxTxTxxxX

    @XxxxTxTxxxX

    10 ай бұрын

    It's pretty big in Europe. But that might be because all types of cycling are big here

  • @HkFinn83

    @HkFinn83

    10 ай бұрын

    I always think cyclocross should be more popular than it is. I’d much rather do a cross race than a criterium. However it is very competition based. It’s not that much ‘fun’ if you’re not seriously racing. I’ve never done a gravel race (it doesn’t exist really in Europe) but it looks like an enjoyable experience for anyone.

  • @dopamethyldopa

    @dopamethyldopa

    10 ай бұрын

    It is regional thing...

  • @goldenretriever6261

    @goldenretriever6261

    10 ай бұрын

    It's boring! You know who wins after the first lap.

  • @LukeGJPotter

    @LukeGJPotter

    10 ай бұрын

    @@dopamethyldopa I'd agree on the Regional thing. VC lives in NorCal, which is not wet enough for CX to be "fun". It is very popular on the East Coast of the US.

  • @itsok2023
    @itsok202310 ай бұрын

    Chris, just want to genuinely thank you for the content you produce. Your Nero show is the best thing on KZread. You and Jesse are brilliant together. Your hard honesty , humor, and the willingness to just say the truth without worrying about what “others” say makes it brilliant. You guys are brilliant because you are totally authentic. Vegan cyclist (who i like) is good because he’s totally genuine. But, different personalities get different responses. I’d rather watch you and jesse - enjoy your sensibilities more. And the worst thing about Tyler’s stuff is his partner. That guy is completely unlikeable. You Jesse, and Tyler should do impossible. Just my 02. Love you from USA.

  • @ChrisMillerCycling

    @ChrisMillerCycling

    10 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the kind words mate. So delighted you “get” what we are doing.

  • @FranK-eh7uz

    @FranK-eh7uz

    8 ай бұрын

    In oh hi jjj😊jjiii hi jjj hi jjiiijjjlk

  • @the_derpler
    @the_derpler10 ай бұрын

    Gravel is taking off here because riding on the roads in the most of the country is absolutely nuts. Who wants to get coal rolled then run over by a soccer mom?

  • @carlosgaspar8447

    @carlosgaspar8447

    10 ай бұрын

    many soon realize how difficult it is to stay with the pack. and then you are going solo around a parking lot as tyler says.

  • @GordonChaffin

    @GordonChaffin

    10 ай бұрын

    Yep. I'm an infrastructure professional and there is real momentum to get protected bike lanes and trails so that e-bikes get affordable and replace car trips for more families for groceries, school run etc. I care about that more because of our climate and the 44K Americans who die on roads every year. But, traditional, recreational road riding? Unprotected and on arterial roads, or rural roads with no speed enforcement? Recreational road riding is a young man's game -- which is to say, very limited possible audience. Average vehicle sizes are getting bigger and higher. EVs are heavier than ICE vehicles. The insurance liability and police/EMS costs on road races has got to be insane. It's insane for road running races, too, but those are road closures and little chance of fatal traffic crash.

  • @rayF4rio

    @rayF4rio

    10 ай бұрын

    That is one of the major reasons I retired and moved to the Philippines. Cycling here feels so much safer than anywhere I've ridden in the US. When drivers are used to (from birth) sharing the roads with mopeds, slow motorbikes, goats, carabao AND bicycles , it becomes a much better experience. There is traffic, but I can ride for hours and never go through a traffic light and many times only unclip when I decide to stop at a 7-11.

  • @TheRimBrakeGuy

    @TheRimBrakeGuy

    10 ай бұрын

    Only problem with gravel is the occasional bear or bull that wants a piece of you :)

  • @johnsims8181

    @johnsims8181

    10 ай бұрын

    dont live in a major city?

  • @tvemikel9477
    @tvemikel947710 ай бұрын

    I don’t think Tyler knows that no one cares about his results. It’s just fun to be a part of his races and rides. You root for him in his triumphs and relate in his losses. I really liked when he raced crits and road races and took us along. I could relate in many ways. The impossible route stuff was ok, but it’s the OG stuff that I loved about VC

  • @absandlittleabs1952
    @absandlittleabs195210 ай бұрын

    Another great video guys. I started watching Tyler during lockdown and the quality of some of his videos, especially the impossible route trips which are truly a different class. They deserve to be on Netflix and Tyler deserves the big bucks.

  • @PhilEnsminger
    @PhilEnsminger10 ай бұрын

    Tyler, your December Daily Vlogs are my favorite thing you do! (And I like it all). I think a month is perfect for that. You couldn’t do it all year, but I appreciate that you do it.

  • @brandoncox7672
    @brandoncox767210 ай бұрын

    My two favorite cycling personalities on KZread! What a treat to have 2 hours of you guys. Thanks for doing the Nero show, I genuinely look forward to it every week!

  • @MrJohnnyTN
    @MrJohnnyTN10 ай бұрын

    Tyler's gravel racing footage is legit best in class.

  • @jawaraoconnor
    @jawaraoconnor9 ай бұрын

    That was the best interview ever. I really appreciate you putting him on the spot. I love Vegan and I think the method you focus him down to simple facts is beautiful. awesome work. keep it up.

  • @ReVoltaire
    @ReVoltaire10 ай бұрын

    Tyler: if you read this... I loved the OG VC content. I can't get into the "cinematic" VC (I thought the original one in Hawaii was cool but after that they became more and more absurd and tedious). I would love to see you chronicle challenging, unusual but actually accessible one day rides/routes in 10-20 min format. Kind of like you've done in the past in and around Yosemite, but elsewhere.

  • @CaptnSnake
    @CaptnSnake10 ай бұрын

    I really enjoyed this episode with Tyler Chris, it’s put a lot of things in perspective for me and made me evaluate my goals as a cyclist. I’m 50 next month and I think the days of me being competitive are behind me now certainly don’t see myself on a podium anyway. I still enjoy the odd Crit but I really just want to enjoy riding my bike now and make the most of what time or physical ability so to speak I have left. Tyler makes some good points in your interview. #loveyourwork

  • @eamonn9882

    @eamonn9882

    9 ай бұрын

    I'll be 60 next month and I'm feeling the best is yet to come, there's a strong masters race scene in many countries and also UCI masters worlds in the various cycling disciplines. You can remain competitive at the highest level at any age, with a bit of luck if the desire and ability to sustain consistent training and focus is strong. I know of a few riders who are still racing well into their 70's and can finish ahead of riders 20 years younger.

  • @rident
    @rident10 ай бұрын

    Tyler's The Impossible Route series reminds me of The Fifty by Cody Townsend. Long form series, big adventures, not on a channel of the series name, but just as epic with great filming and production. Neither of these properties get the views they deserve. Dustin Klein's Everything's Been Done falls into this adventure/endurance cycling category. He's got a cool style, produces shorter form content more often and seems to be more about riding bikes then winning races. Maybe Tyler should try team up with either, or both, of these other creators.

  • @SeeYouUpTheRoad

    @SeeYouUpTheRoad

    9 ай бұрын

    I’ve watched DK videos. I like his quirky style. Something I’m going to pick up from him for my videos is “Tell me about your bike” he does that often during his epic rides as he comes up on a rider with a cool bike. Watching videos exclusively focused on racing the event don’t interest me all that much. I’ve raced enough ultras at or off the front and sadly off the back too 😂 I don’t really care about watching someone else do it.

  • @RK01
    @RK0110 ай бұрын

    Great chat, love watching Tylers stuff.

  • @FreeFlowSports
    @FreeFlowSports10 ай бұрын

    Good content as always Chris. You are one of the few subscriptions I watch every time something new comes out and am genuinely excited to watch/listen. My desire to post a comment on your videos with some regularity is in stark contrast to all of the other content I watch or listen to on KZread. Looking forward to your continued growth in this space. I appreciate that your videos aren't a big advertisement, but honestly I wouldn't care if you included ads during videos if it allowed for continued/more content.

  • @matthewbenger8355
    @matthewbenger835510 ай бұрын

    As a brand Tyler: i have and do watch every single impossible route/gravel race and never think they are one and the same. You tell stories very well. The clothing, meh probably wouldnt buy a t shirt or a hat, but if you made some kit with it on...for sure, the colours/logo/message are great and unique

  • @mlafleurhua
    @mlafleurhua9 ай бұрын

    If you have not seen it, I recommend you give a watch to Joe Goetti's chest cam video of his participation in the BWR Cedar City Race. Joe was in the front of the race almost the whole time. His coverage was excellent and the event itself was massively tele-visual. Just an excellent video of a gravel event.

  • @ShawnIsBatman
    @ShawnIsBatman10 ай бұрын

    Fantastic interview! Thanks to you both for the thoughtful content!

  • @romankarabutin3781
    @romankarabutin378110 ай бұрын

    Nice chat guys👍🏼 so glad to see you together. Great collab🔥

  • @binitbob
    @binitbob10 ай бұрын

    Nearly 2 hours bud. Epic interview. And frankly you have your niche. You are the "Parkie" of cycling. I love the way you draw out frank answers where most interviewees would hedge around and avoid the answers. And Tyler what a legend. Nice to see he has found the balance for his family which is of tremendous value. He hit the nail on the head when he said his relationship with his son would get better but there are only a few golden years for his daughter. Some people miss that window so it is great he has noticed it is a valuable opportunity to grab a hold of something precious.

  • @prayforstoke
    @prayforstoke10 ай бұрын

    as a person who loves to compete - this is why I just race short track MTB and cyclocross - no real team tactics, just racing, which is why I love it - great pod!

  • @alprime9548
    @alprime954810 ай бұрын

    Great interview, it's always nice to see the human side of content creator's and you two are some of my favorite to watch in the cycling genre.

  • @nicmcs4
    @nicmcs410 ай бұрын

    I must say, I’ve found this video very informative and while I had nearly no experience of VC’s channel or videos, I really like how he came across and found him very interesting and articulate. Great video guys.

  • @BikeRacingWithoutMercy
    @BikeRacingWithoutMercy2 ай бұрын

    Not sure how I missed this, but really enjoyed the discussion relating to how you pivoted your channel and also the discussion as to the different options in respect of developing a differentiated business model based on personality, storytelling vs insight and brand support. Based on how well Dan Lloyd has done transitioning from bike racing to GCN to commentator on Eurosport - I’d say that VC would be more than compelling at making the transition to TV / Netflix with the right advice and support. Well done on the really compelling interview style enabling VC to elaborate and open up .

  • @kurtleitch5240
    @kurtleitch524010 ай бұрын

    Banging episode lads. Keep them coming!

  • @grzegorzkapaka2655
    @grzegorzkapaka265510 ай бұрын

    2h with guys that I watch every video. Pure pleasure

  • @collinklimek1660
    @collinklimek166010 ай бұрын

    I wonder if Tyler would ever entertain the idea of creating a narrative for someone else. For instance, what if Keegan’s team came to him and asked if he could create a story around the next race that Keegan participates in? It could be the best of both worlds in that we get to experience the front of the race with a world class rider, but still with Tyler’s storytelling abilities at the forefront.

  • @pierrex3226

    @pierrex3226

    3 ай бұрын

    That's probably where he's headed, whether he knows it or not. He's saying his calling is story telling, doesn't have to be his story, and if he can't find big funding for his stories, there are deep pockets that have stories to tell.

  • @dekta4
    @dekta410 ай бұрын

    This episode made me subscribe. Please keep them coming. Cheers

  • @tapuzak
    @tapuzak10 ай бұрын

    I get a feeling of a really cool cross continental respect between you two. Great stuff gentlemen.

  • @jasonkatz8
    @jasonkatz810 ай бұрын

    This guy is the man. Best show yet

  • @kgregg06
    @kgregg0610 ай бұрын

    you two put together some great content. i hope for some more colabs in the future!

  • @PTAguy2010
    @PTAguy201010 ай бұрын

    RR is norcal isn't dead , struggling yes but not as tyler portays We actually had good fields in pescadero, Berkely, cats hill, ect.. Also Snelling had good turnout considering it was literally freezing temps. Permits and effects of our late winter/rain effected roads which caused repairs to roads like Winters RR for example. Also, the game playing in races happens everywhere, it's called tactics and racing your bike. This why pros yell at each other every race

  • @kidsafe

    @kidsafe

    10 ай бұрын

    Third place at Snelling P12 this year has an FTP that starts with a 2 while VC just did 440W for 10 minutes. Why he thinks he’d be uncompetitive is a great mystery. And yep you’re right, most of these cancellations are due to permitting difficulties and has little to do with turnout. Giro di SF cat 4/5 has 75 registrants (sold out.) The P12 races this season have been very tactical and very fun.

  • @Stevenv74
    @Stevenv7410 ай бұрын

    Such a great chat with VC.

  • @neilmckenna236
    @neilmckenna23610 ай бұрын

    Great video Chris and great insight. Two very nice and interesting guys 👍

  • @matthewbenger8355
    @matthewbenger835510 ай бұрын

    Can't agree more about the sleep contest for alot of these ultra events. And definitely not healthy

  • @matthewbenger8355

    @matthewbenger8355

    10 ай бұрын

    @@MrSpecialized75 mike Hall?

  • @jwo011

    @jwo011

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@matthewbenger8355yes

  • @cordinolongiotti
    @cordinolongiotti10 ай бұрын

    I like your perspective on road racing vegan. That's why I gravel, mountain and cyclocross race, I hate team BS

  • @thecyclinggreek274
    @thecyclinggreek27410 ай бұрын

    Excellent interview/discussion.

  • @mountainmoments
    @mountainmoments9 ай бұрын

    great content (again from you two) especially liked the real talk about the payment side. as a photographer, editor and co i found that you need to find multiple uses for your content. the more usages, the better. back in the day we sold travel stories to a magazine, sometimes 15 mags, to producers etc. you can guess which story was moneywise more interesting.

  • @OldDavo1950
    @OldDavo195010 ай бұрын

    Took me 4 days to get thru all that, but enjoyed every minute of it.

  • @evanxmc
    @evanxmc10 ай бұрын

    Thanks for this! Awesome work.

  • @ChrisMillerCycling

    @ChrisMillerCycling

    10 ай бұрын

    Glad you liked it!

  • @adammckinney6850
    @adammckinney685010 ай бұрын

    Definitely your best podcast so far.

  • @ChrisMillerCycling

    @ChrisMillerCycling

    10 ай бұрын

    Glad you think so!

  • @richardfarias2920
    @richardfarias292010 ай бұрын

    I'm 69 and I love VCs content. VC content is about human drama IMO. The drama of finishing is important to more people than who won. He's about the everyday Joe who rides with a passion and loves riding for just ridings sake. Tyler I like your content because it's so heartfelt and personal. Don't stop keep it up please. Chris, you're doing some real good content too. You're becoming more down to earth with cycling. It's finally not all about crits, fondos, and all that other 2 percent cycling sh.t. I see you cycling and picking up more of VCs passion. Press on with pride. I ride everyday, 69 and feeling fine.

  • @SeeYouUpTheRoad

    @SeeYouUpTheRoad

    9 ай бұрын

    58 and feeling great - the racing stuff and the stuff Chris and Jesse cover such “top selling bikes” blah blah is so not interesting to me. Content about people rather than gear is far more relevant to most people. Everyone feels despair, doubt and pain but not everyone owns or wants to own the latest and greatest equipment.

  • @JeanFrancoisDesrosiers

    @JeanFrancoisDesrosiers

    9 ай бұрын

    Exactly

  • @GregBrantUK
    @GregBrantUK10 ай бұрын

    This was awesome!

  • @jesserandall1819
    @jesserandall181910 ай бұрын

    Great video. Enjoy your content. To VC on his questions about what content he should produce, I think he is doubting himself too much. We just like the content and stories, it doesn't matter if he wins. At least that's my view as a subscriber. I always enjoy watching The Gravel Cyclist, when he does race videos, even though he is back of the pack. I think for a lot of us that haven't done all these events it's just awesome to see any footage of them. VC produces great footage of gravel events that not all of us can travel to, so after any gravel event I'm always searching KZread to see if anyone made a video, no matter if they were a back of pack racer or a competitor in the Life Time Series.

  • @JayLato
    @JayLato10 ай бұрын

    Love the mic setup.

  • @antoinecrite8085
    @antoinecrite808510 ай бұрын

    SOLID interview!!

  • @KetzalSterling
    @KetzalSterling10 ай бұрын

    Team racing in amateur road cycling is incredibly toxic. It's absolutely a huge portion of the current demise of the sport. What used to be something an individual could easily enter and enjoy is immediately gone. Team racing tactics ruin the race. Spending hundreds of dollars and travelling to do a race, only to have the race neutralized by some random team with 8 riders is ridiculous. I will never race a road race with teams again. It needs to be removed from the lower tiers of the sport. If not, it will only more rapidly kill the sport.

  • @goldenretriever6261

    @goldenretriever6261

    10 ай бұрын

    Svein Tuft won the Canadian nationals because there was only one pro team in the rac e(his team) and 8 guys working for him. It was a joke, he won with out trying. Granted he was the strongest guy, but the strongest rarely wins Canadian nationals because everybody marks them.

  • @Martin-ls9bz

    @Martin-ls9bz

    10 ай бұрын

    Needing to spend a few hundred for a random RR sounds like a bigger problem than some team tactics

  • @luxsasha
    @luxsasha10 ай бұрын

    ohhhh yess!!! mah man is back!!

  • @gregmorrison7320
    @gregmorrison732010 ай бұрын

    Seems to me that about 8 years ago I knew heaps of people that rode a lot of road events here in NZ, big turn outs, then gradually more and more of the people I knew were riding Zwift and more and more were spending less time on the road, I noticed they were riding less and less (even in online platforms), event numbers went down and then started to disappear. Yeah it might be a stretch but in my circles I'm blaming the indoor riding platforms for at least dropping the numbers of participants, of course costs, road management have had a factor as well but if I could go back 8 years there were no lack of events, now there is nothing, I repeat, nothing! Then gravel events became more popular and they were laid back but competitive at the front of the field and even a guy like me in my 50's could pull off a win. Then the roadies started to show up in their groups wearing the same kit and they would actively work to eliminate you from their front group, so road tactics made an appearance. I mean they are working to drop a near 60 year old guy (and others of course). I don't bother even entering the gravel events now, the fun has gone and I get more enjoyment in riding from home and doing all day missions that don't involve driving for hours only to get teams working to drop you from the front of the race.

  • @larspotter1866
    @larspotter186610 ай бұрын

    Tyler@ love your stuff. Would love you to do more adventure rides in different States. Would be a great way to promote great routes we would never had thought of.

  • @konarocky
    @konarocky7 ай бұрын

    You guys are great together. Very interesting conversation.

  • @lordraymondynostroza6798
    @lordraymondynostroza679810 ай бұрын

    Chris keep it up … the videos are dope

  • @WeberWoodworking
    @WeberWoodworking10 ай бұрын

    I've been a cyclist for a couple decades, I've done epic events, road races, I'm an occasional mountain biker/racer, an avid ex-cyclocross racer, and I just don't get gravel. I have a couple friends from my cyclocross days that gravel race. However, I can leave my house and ride various terrain for as long as I like, to find more than an occasional gravel road I would have to drive hours. Cross is intense and a blast, however I don't want to ride a cross bike for 5+ hours, not sure I would want to ride a gravel bike that long. I do get the car free aspect, but once you get outside most cities, country roads seem to be relatively quiet. As for growing the sport, road racing has died in the midwest, criteriums seem to be doing ok, cyclocross and mountain biking are hanging on, and I've noticed a couple gravel races (although not close). The problem I see is the novice/beginner classes. My son did a cyclocross race last year, and the CAT 5 were sporting skin suits and $8k bikes (not exactly beginner friendly). He's started doing some criteriums as well and the CAT 5 are almost always mixed in with the CAT 4's and Masters. It would be really nice if he could race against similar competition. I think to build the sport and get more people participating, we have to make it enjoyable on many levels.

  • @goldenretriever6261
    @goldenretriever626110 ай бұрын

    In Ontario gravel is taking over. Road is dead, we used to have fields of 100, last time i raced a big crit we used to have 15 guys showed up and half were masters and the other half were visiting from NZ. Everyone can do gravel at their own pace, unlike a road race where your race is over as soon as you get dropped.

  • @dopamethyldopa
    @dopamethyldopa10 ай бұрын

    Great interview!

  • @CycoWarriorx
    @CycoWarriorx10 ай бұрын

    I’m no expert, but I have some thoughts why road racing is suffering in the US… 1. Cost. A recent regular road race promoter had to cancel his entire series because he could no longer afford the city cost (ie police/traffic control)… 2. Racing itself. Some promoters have relaxed the Cat upgrade process. Once you needed at least ten races before you were allowed to upgrade. Now it’s very few. So you have some racers jumping into a Cat 2/3 race that don’t have the technical skills. That’s a turn off racing with inexperienced riders. 3. Bike costs. Despite sometimes using a second bike, the cost to replace it, or the parts are becoming costlier. One racer who didn’t race this past season cited as much and said it wasn’t worth it to win a sport bottle. Lol 4. Race entry fee. $50 or more to enter one race, plus an additional cost if you’re entering two is for some people, cost prohibitive when you factor in gas and travel time. Just a couple of thoughts.

  • @massimocaradonna3857

    @massimocaradonna3857

    10 ай бұрын

    50 I wish. Most are close to 100

  • @goldenretriever6261

    @goldenretriever6261

    10 ай бұрын

    $50 was 15 years ago in Canada. No idea what is now, once it went over $50 it was no longer worth it.

  • @ashrockdigital
    @ashrockdigital10 ай бұрын

    Some teams are ruining the sport by making racing too dangerous. Bro you weigh 100 lbs more than me why are you elbowing me into the curb and then posting a brag video about it? Racing isn’t worth the risk to me of getting wrecked by a 250 lb dude or the ensuing fist fight. Perfectly happy as a no drama solo rider

  • @dopamethyldopa

    @dopamethyldopa

    10 ай бұрын

    Thats why I like gravel. I can drop those dudes over the course of a race. Anyone can do 45 mins in the office park. Give me a climb or two and they are gone.

  • @meatmotorendurance
    @meatmotorendurance10 ай бұрын

    You should become the new Phil Liggett of gravel. Get a couple of ebikes and follow the lead pack and give commentary and do an interview on the bike. Then produce the race edit. I bet every race would allow that for the footage and promotion they'd get.

  • @opherjames
    @opherjames10 ай бұрын

    I love this, and i quote:"It shifts amazing" but really, the best shifting is #fixed

  • @Mindnbodyexp
    @Mindnbodyexp10 ай бұрын

    American motorists say they view cyclists with helmets on as less than human. That’s why gravel is the future. I did a race recently where my closest calls were with Amish buggies.

  • @irvhh143

    @irvhh143

    10 ай бұрын

    Ha I know a couple guys with brain injury from being kicked by a horse.

  • @bykr2009
    @bykr200910 ай бұрын

    Great video. I've really got a better perspective on VC.

  • @petersouthernboy6327
    @petersouthernboy63276 ай бұрын

    Every cycling club in my area is now hosting gravel rides and gravel races. It’s appealing to XC MTB racers and to roadies sick of the traffic

  • @huntingsynth
    @huntingsynth10 ай бұрын

    Golden State Race Series…always a great NorCal race weekend

  • @JordanHammond7
    @JordanHammond710 ай бұрын

    Matteo Jorgenson just did a race in Maryland. I am sure Jumbo will be paying him more than a gravel race will.

  • @Galaxieguy428
    @Galaxieguy42810 ай бұрын

    I think the future of road in the US, are fondos with timed segments (GFNS). The front of fondos are road races (super fun) and if you get dropped there's another group behind to ride with.

  • @bobbyiv9335

    @bobbyiv9335

    10 ай бұрын

    Agreed. 10 years ago I would have never even thought about doing a grand fondo but now I’m really drawn to the exact idea you’re talking about.

  • @debasishnayak8610
    @debasishnayak861010 ай бұрын

    8:08 competently makes sense! Gravel is getting traction because there are less elite races currently. The day current(no retired) worl tour rides show up to these events they will be like, people are "ruining gravel!" 20:20 Another example. Just imagine Tour of France with age division.

  • @cjohnson3836

    @cjohnson3836

    10 ай бұрын

    Its already happening, current tour racers were at Unbound this year. The problem isn't European pros showing up. Its that they are complaining about the format/rules trying to bend a distinctly American approach to racing to fit their baggage. Example; aero bars at Unbound. They can say all they want, its got shit to do with safety. They got the axe because Laurens ten Dam threw a bitch fit after losing the 200 to Ivar Slik (who was on aero bars) on camera that got pasted all over YT. When Ted King won on aero bars and a lefty suspension (he argued the susp allowed him to stay aero through more of the race), everyone thought it was awesome. Then Europeans show up and bitching about everything, and the rules get changed. That's the problem.

  • @debasishnayak8610

    @debasishnayak8610

    10 ай бұрын

    @@cjohnson3836 so true!

  • @Martin-ls9bz

    @Martin-ls9bz

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@cjohnson3836wut, Ivar is European. It seems to mostly be Americans talking about the spirit of gravel and all that stuff

  • @cjohnson3836

    @cjohnson3836

    10 ай бұрын

    @@Martin-ls9bz No shit, Sherlock. Ivar's nationality is fucking irrelevant. Christ I wish people had the basic ability to reason...

  • @MaxRothFitness
    @MaxRothFitness10 ай бұрын

    Loved this

  • @Rshorttt
    @Rshorttt10 ай бұрын

    Great interview.

  • @timlee3000
    @timlee300010 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @MS-bw7yt
    @MS-bw7yt10 ай бұрын

    Maybe it's arrogant because I live in Germany and my whole riding takes place here or in the Netherlands, but if you ask me the reason why everybody moves to gravel in America are the roads, the infrastructure and general traffic culture. Whenever I see footage of riding in America, it basically looks like the worst place the ride a bike with an infrastructure and a society that is 50-60 years behind compared to Europe

  • @LyfeisByke

    @LyfeisByke

    10 ай бұрын

    50-60yrs behind? 😂. From someone who has actually ridden in America I can tell you it’s great.

  • @itsok2023

    @itsok2023

    10 ай бұрын

    I disagree with the society part. But the road infrastructure was designed for cars. You are correct. However, we have had huge bije racing booms (80’s, late 90’s - 2000’s). Armstrong hurt racing after 2012. Then covid and we never recovered. Also, promoters lose money, they don’t break even. It’s definitely dead. Gravel is fantastic.

  • @MS-bw7yt

    @MS-bw7yt

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@LyfeisByke what changed in the USA since the 1970's regarding the traffic? Okay, cars are more modern sure, we have a lot of tesla's... but at the end of the day especially when you get out of the big cities, everybody drives around in a huge ugly pick-up with a trucker cap on, driving skills are very low in general, infrastructure is build around cars, roads are bad, the highway system is a bad joke compared to a German Autobahn...

  • @LyfeisByke

    @LyfeisByke

    10 ай бұрын

    @@MS-bw7yt you already said you were arrogant but you’re also just falling into the stereotypes of what you think an American is. But ya the autobahn is great for cycling. Have fun with that 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @MS-bw7yt

    @MS-bw7yt

    10 ай бұрын

    @LyfeisByke Well, indeed from time to time a segment of the Autobahn gets closed down for cyclist. I always enjoy this. I also enjoy traffic, where people can actually drive and had proper training on how to drive a car. Most Americans struggle with super basic thinks like driving a manual. Or holding a straight line on a road that is big enough for an aircraft carrier

  • @goslingmarcus
    @goslingmarcus5 ай бұрын

    Love TVC. Tyler is hella strong, but somehow relatable to us mere mortals, because he is always authentic and humble.

  • @GoustiFruit
    @GoustiFruit10 ай бұрын

    Yeah, my first bike was a Canyon Roadlite (under $ 1000), so mostly a road bike with flat bar (!), and I turned it into a gravel bike simply by switching the original 28 mm road tires to 38 mm gravel tires.

  • @HkFinn83
    @HkFinn8310 ай бұрын

    Seems like gravel is the modern cross country mtb’ing. It’s a bottom up response to the conditions in the United States. I like it (from what I know) because it looks enjoyable (sorry, amateur criteriums are pointless) and it’s still close enough to the blue ribband event of cycling (the roads of Europe) that you could imagine a kid ‘coming through’ gravel and making it on the road. The issue with what happened mtb is is became its own thing with very little crossover to the road, other than the occasional 56kg cross country guy.

  • @daness40
    @daness4010 ай бұрын

    Incredible podcast. I love both of you and the content you produce. One thing that I think is misleading, from my perspective, is that people are starting to think the best riders in the world are racing gravel....they're still racing road. I believe that WVA, MvP, Pidcock, Roglic, Kung, Ganna, Evenepoel, etc. could win any one of these gravel races by a decent margin (barring mechanicals/flats).

  • @the_derpler
    @the_derpler10 ай бұрын

    Also, just imagine how juicy almost everyone at a big gravel race is if they take it seriously.

  • @leoturgenov7440

    @leoturgenov7440

    10 ай бұрын

    Juicy??

  • @thedownunderverse

    @thedownunderverse

    10 ай бұрын

    Edgar Allen Po

  • @the_derpler

    @the_derpler

    10 ай бұрын

    @@leoturgenov7440 💉💉

  • @LukeGJPotter
    @LukeGJPotter10 ай бұрын

    This was awesome, basically unpausable.

  • @911tj
    @911tj10 ай бұрын

    great interview

  • @cyclingmaven
    @cyclingmaven9 ай бұрын

    When Tyler has a Rode USB mic plugged into his Mac, you know cycling is the wrong sport to make money. 😘 Enjoyed the podcast lads, was great to see you boys again.

  • @pierrex3226

    @pierrex3226

    3 ай бұрын

    Why? I don't know anything about mics. Sound was good I thought?

  • @marekbialik2789
    @marekbialik278910 ай бұрын

    Hello from Poland :)

  • @timtaylor9590
    @timtaylor959010 ай бұрын

    The reason Tyler doesn't get big contracts is the same reason why we all want to see top riders making Tyler quality content. There's a piece of the puzzle missing in both cases. But forget contracts grow your brand yourself like the other big social media celebrities, then you don't need outside investors but inevitably they would be sure to follow. The question is how do you get that mass appeal in such a niche space.

  • @richardmarzec9136
    @richardmarzec913610 ай бұрын

    Excellent interview. I'm an even bigger fan of both channels now.

  • @mltagraff
    @mltagraff10 ай бұрын

    you can plug an external battery into a shimano di2 system and charge it while riding. Not sure what he's on about.

  • @wendysuperfan1014
    @wendysuperfan101410 ай бұрын

    Thanks Chris.

  • @patrickmannion4952
    @patrickmannion49529 ай бұрын

    A bunch of people (and myself) got shelled off the back of a super-hard 75 mile road race on a brutal acceleration during a tough climbing section. Except once the climbing was done, a group of 5-10 of us totally could have made it back on-except for the “guys with teammates” who felt it was their duty to not assist. They were actively trying to thwart our chase efforts. This was a Cat3 race. Shit, I had guys from my CLUB in the race, but it certainly wasn’t my duty to not be able to race. Fuck team tactics if you are a weekender. It’s not worth putting in the training time if you’re not trying to also win.

  • @zorcycle
    @zorcycle10 ай бұрын

    Random thought: Would be interesting to see if they implemented a mandatory 2-5 minute stop in gravel races.

  • @zorcycle

    @zorcycle

    10 ай бұрын

    @@tadaias8540 In a lot of gravel races there is a "gentleman's agreement" to stop at aid stations for food, water, to pee etc. It's one of the nice things about gravel that appeals to people over road racing. In the last Lifetime Grand Prix series one of the riders talks about how other riders blew past the agreed aid station. It made it more like a cutthroat road race and less "gravel spirited" so to speak. Most other sports have some sort of halftime, timeout, inning, etc. I realize it's a race, but a set timeout in gravel might help even the playing field a bit and make it more enjoyable. Probably safer too.

  • @cjohnson3836

    @cjohnson3836

    10 ай бұрын

    @@zorcycle People at the front of the race have been skipping aid stations for a long time. The issue isn't the aid station. The issue has been male riders shuttling female racers. If you want to even the field its not about mandating stops. Its about getting rid of teams. No they aren't wearing the same jersey necessarily, but there are teams in gravel.

  • @roadcyclist1

    @roadcyclist1

    10 ай бұрын

    You are a poison that needs to be stamped out. Your thought process will destroy this country, let alone racing. Some people will never win a race. It's OK. That's life. Let's just put everyone in robot bodies and make everyone equal, right?

  • @roadcyclist1

    @roadcyclist1

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@cjohnson3836 part of the dynamic and always will be. Deal with it

  • @cjohnson3836

    @cjohnson3836

    10 ай бұрын

    @@roadcyclist1 No, males drafting female racers has not been "part of the dynamic" until recently. But given your username, I'm going to assume you fall on the statistical mean and are a beer fueled trog that doesn't actually own a bike, let alone race.

  • @jockclark3660
    @jockclark366010 ай бұрын

    Love Tyler. The man with the best beard snot on KZread

  • @claytonjoseph4682
    @claytonjoseph46829 ай бұрын

    I switched over to gravel because of Vegen cyclists videos. ❤

  • @GratzRides
    @GratzRides3 ай бұрын

    Sorry - repeat commenter - it timestamp 1:02:28 is astounding. Little do we know. Props for the honest reveal

  • @dopamethyldopa
    @dopamethyldopa10 ай бұрын

    I ride gravel because I won't get hit by some driver watching tik toks

  • @richard7059
    @richard70594 ай бұрын

    That was brilliant

  • @williambob111
    @williambob11110 ай бұрын

    Chris Miller still exudes this vibe of " I'm desperate to find my KZread niche and become an influencer". Not trying to be a dick but this vibe is always there, sometimes closer to the surface than others but always there and ironically, he's closer than ever to accomplishing that so Chris, if you see this, chill out FFS.

  • @charliedillon1400

    @charliedillon1400

    10 ай бұрын

    True. I like this channel but it's often more about being a KZreadr than being a cyclist. The content creator stuff gets nauseating to hear about all the time.

  • @williambob111

    @williambob111

    10 ай бұрын

    @@charliedillon1400 Yes it does!

  • @tombarnes2652
    @tombarnes26528 ай бұрын

    Next impossible route ride from crit to crit one in each state

  • @timtaylor9590
    @timtaylor959010 ай бұрын

    They did a really good job with Lance Armstrongs win on the flat tire beating the defending champ.

  • @Paganiproductions84
    @Paganiproductions848 ай бұрын

    i also like to ride gravel mixed whit xc style single tracks because i only ride xc hardtails mountainbikes

  • @timtaylor9590
    @timtaylor959010 ай бұрын

    For road Gear ratios arent an issue now a days. If you need something easier than a 34/34 then it's more of a specific specialty set up. And with Shimano you can use 34 and 53 chain ring combo despite thier recommendations it works.

  • @meatmotorendurance
    @meatmotorendurance10 ай бұрын

    Escalator to Space (possible new band name along with Escape Goat).

  • @superboost1574
    @superboost157410 ай бұрын

    I think teams are more important at certain levels of racing. They keep people in the sport more as they’re more social maybe?

  • @ZenEndurance
    @ZenEndurance10 ай бұрын

    You're looking at it all wrong. What happened is a bike standard was developed that allows to road ride where there is hardly any cars. Slack geometry + 40mm tubeless tires with sealant = millions of miles of ridable road with no traffic just opened up all over North America. And the scenery is way better! Yes you could do it before, but it wasn't reliable enough of a bike that felt stable enough for enough people for it to create a critical mass to become a thing. Now that I have a gravel bike, why in the world would I choose to ride or race where there's traffic (injury or death), pollution, crime, whatever's nasty when I can ride someplace nice? Think about it - you're biking for sport, not need. You're going to make your enjoyment as enjoyable as possible. And now that gravel bikes exist, All the gravel roads that were off limits before are now usable and cars hate being on them. It's like if the ability to fly by flapping your arms was suddenly figured out, you two are sitting around wondering what happened to all the stores that sold walking shoes.

  • @Guaracifiorini
    @Guaracifiorini8 ай бұрын

    Hoje tem quadros com freio a ferradura que comportam fácil pneus de 28mm, neutralizando uma das vantagens das bikes com freio a disco. Tenho uma Cannondale Caad10 assim, que pesa menos de 7,5kg.

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