They forgot the paniolos. Hawaiians trained in the art of vaqueros by Mexican californios long before Hawaii was turned in to a U.S. territory

@vaquero7x

3 жыл бұрын

Muy buen comentario

@cowgirl4Christ63

6 ай бұрын

They did make a movie about them.

❤❤. The Vaquero taught Hawaiians how to ranch 50 years before texas. Paniolo : Mexicano Hawaiian cowboys.

Where's all the Mexicans in this video. You can love me You can hate me MI VALE MADRE 🇲🇽

Vaquero = true mexican tradition! : D

@vaqueromx2186

3 жыл бұрын

Asi es viva Mexico 🇲🇽 M X 🇲🇽 🌵🌵🌵🌵

@huntersmith2592

3 жыл бұрын

You mean 'Spanish'.

@ThroughDarknessComesLight

3 жыл бұрын

@@huntersmith2592 Mexican are half Spanish and half indigenous, btw the Mexican made Their own culture which was the vaquero .

@broomtailcountry

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThroughDarknessComesLight The vaquero did come out of Mexico. They were a product of the harshness of the land and the need for people to be able to handle the vast amounts of cattle on open ranges.

@guilhermecorrea9483

2 жыл бұрын

@@broomtailcountry I am Brazilian, and skeptical of the South American vaquero influence, if they really meant that. Gauchos, I believe, developed their own system, and Northeast Brazil vaqueiros' was probably also independent of both.

I'm from mexico and I'm charro and we are also know as vaqueros and we know vaqueros from california as californios and tejanos vaqueros from tejas.. TEXAS..

@alejandrogonzalez1541

4 жыл бұрын

Yup.

@cruzvarela9254

Жыл бұрын

All right my Brother any help we would appreciate it.

The rest of America needs to watch this.

At 4th of July parties some people dress a cowboys/girls across the USA. Many of them do not know the cowboy look is Mexican

@Itssantiagodiaz

Жыл бұрын

by the sound of the doc i think today Americans dress the way that the vaqueros met in montana. so technically i feel white americans do not dress like mexican cowboys.

@tonicrvnts

Жыл бұрын

@@Itssantiagodiaz 😆 The truth is not what you just feel. You need to get informed. Here is a sample: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eaB22JWpdN3HibQ.html

@cruzvarela9254

Жыл бұрын

Very sooo, true. Going to start in my community small town the charro traditional way.

@NB-sy5gb

21 күн бұрын

Wrong

The Spanish did the first cattle and horse drive in 1598 under Juan de Onate! They started the first ranches, had the first rodeos (etc.). Why do people think the first vaqueros were Texans or Californians? They were latecomers! Read about the New Mexicans! Luciano Martinez

@50magnum805

6 жыл бұрын

What do you mean by first Rodeo? The charro was the desendent of the spanish cowboy and the Mexican vaquero developed in Chihuahua and and spread North to Texas and California, not to mention that most Californian Cowboys we're not in Alta California but in Baja California.

@fidelrivera2845

6 жыл бұрын

The first rodeo, or roundup, was in 08-11-1598. As soon as the colonists arrived they let their cattle and horses out to graze. That evening they had to round up their herds to protect them from the Indians. So that was the first Rodeo (duh)!

@50magnum805

6 жыл бұрын

Fidel Rivera yes which was more likely in the center of Mexico since that's where the Spanish first are to populate and spread their cattle. By first rodeo I mean the American event that consists of many sports the most popular one being bullriding. Bull riding was practice way before alta California, Texas, Chihuahua coahuila, Sonora or Baja California. It arose in central Mexico and then to spread north.

@fidelrivera2845

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly! But I meant the original meaning of Rodeo which means roundup! It started in Mexico and spread in all directions. But the first cattle and horse drive in the U.S. was here in New Mexico in

@50magnum805

6 жыл бұрын

Fidel Rivera yes the American Rodeo was a misunderstanding of the Mexicans when they used to bring cattle and horses into rodeos. A rodeo was a circular structure made usually which large rocks or stones that were meant to hold horses and Cattle when they were going to be branded or sold off. Many times after the selling of livestock celebrations would be held in these rodeos where are they would practice a spectacle called jaripeo ( bullriding). Americans associated bull riding with rodeos and that gave birth to the modern rodeo. To roundup is to redondiar with is why rodeo was called cat it's called. To herd cattle is arriar ganado. The first cattle was herded up north from central Mexico specialty major ports like veracrus. Rodeo American( United states) even, Bullring (mexican sport).

Viva México 🇲🇽!!! Land of the hard working people land of the vaquero.!!

@davidojedamartinez97

5 ай бұрын

En realidad la tierra de los vaqueros es España A México le viene dada por España

Outstanding

Thanks for sharing this...

This was interesting. As info to many commenting, caballo is horse in Spanish. Caballero is horseman, gentleman and knight, the latter coming from the medieval period because then the horseman (of nobility, military or both) was and had to be much more than just a man riding a horse (no peasants could ride only work from the ground). Vaca is cow, so vaquero is cattle hand, ranch hand, herdsman, in short everyone who worked cattle. In Spain 99.9% of vaqueros obviously also rode and still ride horses. The conquerors (conquistadores) took their lifestyle with them.

@lohaiza216

9 жыл бұрын

Vaqueros originated in Mexico not Spain. Spaniards were not vaqueros they were Ganaderos. They just tamed cattle with horses and stuff. But the true Vaquero Traditions are of Mexico origin they were developed by the Mestizos. The cowboy hat and boots and all that cool stuff you see originated in Northern Mexico. Spaniards didn't have that stuff. Charros are the ones who wear the sombreros vaqueros wear the cowboy hat.

@akanewe

8 жыл бұрын

lohaiza, you are adding to my point without realizing it. Should we go back to the begining? The language is the language and what you understand by it is your problem. Vaquero is a Spanish word meaning just what it means, "person who manages vacas, bovine cattle" from there whatever......I am Sapnish so I know. Your "Spanish" is Mexican Spanish, whether you know it or not, it is mispronounced, grammatically incorrect and corrupted Spanish (imposed on the conquered people found by Hernán Cortez and his invaders). From the Spanish those were forced to speak, came the "Spanish" spoken in any S. American country, each with its own variations of Spanish. So, vaqueros did not originate here or there, the word is what I am talking about, so there were vaqueros (in their own language) in Mongolia, Algeria, India, China or wherever you choose to look. What "YOU" call or consider a vaquero is your problem, whatever image you have given the word is your thing, hence people, areas and countries vary the original meaning of words, I am talking about the Spanish word "vaquero". Now your idea of the origin of the vaquero culture is completely wrong. For your information the Mexicans that the Spanish found wore nothing like what you see today. The clothes they wore in time of conquest were the Spanish clothes (if they were to be considered civilized, morally wrong but this is history) Do you know what a "mestizo" is in Spanish? A cross or mix of breed. Therefore the mestizos were a mix of Spanish and Mexican. They developed in their own way what the Spanish had imposed and taught or forced on them, no doubt...this is why Mexican cattle hands look nothing like Spanish cattle hands today, of course. Yet there was a time when the Mexican vaquero did not even exist because the Spanish had not yet conquered Mexico (not before 1519), this is history...no moral value, plain history. So all your stuff about boots, hats and charros is whatever you want it to be, I was and am talking about the laguage and the historical facts.

@scotgcoab9380

6 жыл бұрын

what fuck are you saying? jajajaj spanish were caballeros from long ago coming to america, in fact the discoveres were army people not farmers. Spain brougth all of this culture to america and still in spain we have vaqueros and I am a caballero. Dont tell bullshit man. Developed by mestizos? Are you kidding ? Before the arrival of spanish there were not even horses in amrica bastard.

@50magnum805

6 жыл бұрын

scot gcoab don't be a fucken idiot, the Spanish didn't denominate there self vaqueros, this term was used by the charros(mostly criollos of wealthy family's ) to refer to the mestizos(native/europien mixed) who tended there cattle due to the fact that Native Americans were not allowed to ride. The vaquero started to evolve until it finally rich is more familiar form in Chihuahua which was adopted by the Americans. To say the the first cowboy were spanish would be the same to say the first gaucho or huaso( south american cowboy)were spanish. And if you're trying to generalize with the word vaquero, then yes the Spanish were the first and before them were the Moors the mongoloid and whoever tended cattle before then.

@50magnum805

6 жыл бұрын

Dang Erous I think what Lohaiza 21 means is that, Mexicans were the first North American Cowboy as we know it today in the United States and Mexico. The world vaquero come from the Latin word vaccarius. The Spanish Horseman practice the tradition doma vaquera ( domadura vacunna or taming of cattle) but did not denominate there self vaqueros just like they did not denominate there self gaucho ( Argentinen cowboy, llaneros (Venezuelans cowboy) or any other of the South American cowboys. When we say Mexican we're not talking about Native Americans before the Spanish, we're talking about a culture and a group of people that are descended from Spaniards and Native. The charro evolved from the caballeros and the vaquero evolved from the charro ( its teacher). And I do understand your point, Cowboys were way before the Mexicans, spanish and the moors; you can even argue that the first Vaqueros or Cowboys were the first people who domesticated cattle.

This video is a masterpiece. I will add it to my Global Heart Warming Playlist.

when i go for day work, i tell people i work for :these legs where meant for dangling not walking:..lol

Thanks, great video.

The California vaqueros are originally from Baja California more specifically Baja California sur. This is where they get their name California vaquero. There wasn't very many Spanish or Mexican in the California we know of today. The California vaquero originated in Baja and simply we're adopting by the Americans in California

@jaypay8954

2 ай бұрын

Yea but all vaqueros/cowboys come from what is now northern Mexico then it spread to Texas,New Mexico and California.

I loved this video!!! Going to FRC college in Equine Studies.... Learning a lot of natural horsemanship but I also have a mentor back home who truly believes in the old Vaquero ways which I am loving much more from learning from him... First time I have learned about the hackamore... As all they use at my school is the Snaffle bit and I have seen horses become dull in the mouth because of it...

@bajadan2769

Жыл бұрын

The only thing snaffles we're used on in Mexico is plow horses

VIVA MEXICO LA TIERRA DE LOS VAQUEROS 🌵🌵🌵🌵🇲🇽M X 🇲🇽

@cruzvarela9254

Жыл бұрын

Tejas has always been Mexico. That's why this republicans can't stand it.

I wish I would of lived in the late 19 century to be a vaquero or a bandit in Joaquin Murrietas gang and drink in saloons.

@nbayoungboa

Жыл бұрын

No you don’t kid

My grandfather was a Mexican Vaquero

ian tyson sings a song in tribute to the vaqueros. Ian Tyson ...Jaquima To Freno enjoyed the video educated me on things I never had an idea about. thanks

Vaquero tradition also went to Hawaii. They are the basis of the paniolo.

Vaquero the most mexican tradition. 🇲🇽🦅

@porte-majestuoso

2 жыл бұрын

Gay ass flag you're using smh....

Anyone know what hat he has at 6:08

Long live the native people from the north to the south.

I think this is the same lady who filmed me for her documentary when I was working as an outrider for tourist rides on the Oregon Trail near Poison Spider Creek, Wyoming in 2006. My grandmother five generations ago was a Californio, her husband Frank Bekheart owned the gunshop in Coloma in the El Dorado gold country. Most all my family living today have left California because we consider California to be a fallen authoritarian Socialist state and the beginning of the demise of the United States of America (kind of like Venezuela, North Korea, and China). I would say that the independent Buckaroo tradition and lifestyle will be stamped out by the same immoral and corrupt people who are dismantling America and the western Democracies in 2021.

@caseyhansen4567

5 ай бұрын

Is that you Doug Berry😊

Exactly. Training at 4 to 6 . Yeahsa. Si Claro.

All cowboy traditions come from Mexico. You're welcome America!

@alejandrosotosantamaria248

7 жыл бұрын

thats right!!!

@sonseere10

7 жыл бұрын

The horse people in Mexico are generally very hard on their horses.

@scotgcoab9380

6 жыл бұрын

FROM SPAIN PLEASE (H)

@texsonitas2685

6 жыл бұрын

aztlanwarrior1983 yes but at the beginning was Spain ...don't forget that.

@gustavobarajas6155

6 жыл бұрын

Most of the techniques were actually developed in Mexico not Spain. Mexican history and demographics are composed of White Spanish, Anglo-Germans, Native American and Mestizos. Here is a link: www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/cowboyculture.htm

That old couple ruined it..

@searchforthetruth1998

4 жыл бұрын

Who Karen and Kevin?

Thanks alot... i appreciate the feedback. Did you ever know any brand inspectors up in the cottonwood ca area?

@nbayoungboa

Жыл бұрын

No kid

My gpas dad and uncles were the very first vaqueros..theres books called we were the vaqueros theres other books as well.

Please read " Origins of the first American Cowboys" by Donald Chavez. It is probably the best study of the American Cowboy. Thanks

@cruzvarela9254

Жыл бұрын

Sorry got it wrong, it was the Mexican cowboy. Great horse manship. Stop trying to be white washed.

All this vaquero deal first originated in the mexican haciendas in the 1600's by the designated cattle workers of each hacienda... Just watch a charro video performing manganas a caballo and piales, there is no other better example of aman working in synchronization with horse and rope

Los vaqueros y su trabajo fue originario de Mexico y con la batalla por el territorio ustedes a los nombres de estilo de lanzar lo nombraron con un nombre en inglés y nosotros teníamos la silla Santa Fe que fue utilizada por vaqueros 🤠.

@cruzvarela9254

Жыл бұрын

Very true mi Amigo. El true cowboy es El vaquero Mecixican.

Thankyou sooooomuch i worked with horses i know

what do you call the the spade next to the window with the big ring? when my uncle passed away we found one like that in his gear. how does it differ from the spade?

@nbayoungboa

Жыл бұрын

Not reading allat

SORRY, I Lived w/ them in the 1950`s & 60`s in Anza Calif.& Learned 1st hand & Not word of Mouth. Hands on & ON Spanish/Mustang Horses

Truthfuly ,one of the best vids I've seen on you tube . Enjoyable and moving.Thanks

@nbayoungboa

Жыл бұрын

Shush kid

the hat vaquero cow boy o norteño is invention Mexican 🇲🇽🤠🌵

...The Vaquero: Uma Historia Clássica e Original...

But we can all agree that blacks were not the first cowboys

Very interesting... but I must ask: If the Spanish word for horse is "Cavalo"... wouldnt the word "Cavallero" (or a word to that effect) be a more accurate term or title to describe a "horseman"?? Just asking. Maybe I'm reading into it to much... but perhaps the adjective "Vaquero" was applied because it was the cattle that they were working with that were deemed as greater importance and the horse was viewed as more of a means to accomplish the successful working of cattle. Just my 2cents.

Si,,,,,,,,,,, mi Vaquero

I'm just kind of wondering why this documenterian couldnt seem to find a single Mexican person to be in this film about Mexican history 😬

@cruzvarela9254

Жыл бұрын

It soon happen eventually we are waking up

@S4v3_w3st

Ай бұрын

Not Mexican history. It’s white European Spaniard history.

Vaquero tradition. There was good and there was bad. Some of the good has come through to so called natural horsemanship. Some of the bad remains. It will take additional generations to weed out the bad.

You must comprende the ways of the vaquero

Es cuestión cultural, vaqueros son gente del campo,ruda,con propias costumbres ,es una forma de vida, no,como,los de,hoy muchos vaqueros de banqueta aparentan ser vaqueros

The James Walker paintings you show in the video depict Mexican charros not California "vaqueros". The riding suits, hats, saddles, sarapes, etc. are all from central Mexico

@peleadorartesmarciales

Жыл бұрын

Los vaqueros son tan mexicanos como el charro, solo que unos surgieron en el centro y los otros en el norte, es increíble como algunos mexicanos son ignorantes respecto a eso, especialmente los del centro, el vaquero no se deriva del charro sino que surgieron a la par

@vaquero7x

Жыл бұрын

@@peleadorartesmarciales buen comentario amigo vaquero Mexicano. El gabacho se quiere apropiar de lo que nuestros antepasados inventaron, saludos

@peleadorartesmarciales

Жыл бұрын

@@vaquero7x Se me enojo un venezolano porque comente que los cantantes de joropo copiaron el sombrero vaquero mexicano y me salió con que nosotros lo copiamos de USA kzread.info/dash/bejne/namCrsutd9bbYbw.html&lc=UgwwVAPV_k4fXepT1EV4AaABAg.9lj9ejqcKTc9miZ88gCdl_

@peleadorartesmarciales

Жыл бұрын

@@vaquero7x kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZmWi2tuhnraunpM.html

@mikehungcho

Жыл бұрын

You gotta know the difference between charro, chinaco and vaquero to know the history.

Now that I've watched this, I'm not surprised at the CaliPornia horses and he New Mexican Horses.... With Cali Horses you ALWAYS have to use Spurs, whereas with NM Horses, being more Native American teachings of the Horse, you can control it with your knees, and with good verbal commands, not to mention, leaning and other body postures, which the horse will clearly understand and follow easily, WITHOUT BEING TORTURED like the Idiots in Cali do to their horses.....

They need to check out the cowboys on the gulf coast

@cruzvarela9254

Жыл бұрын

They also classes by the Mexican Vacherro.

Vídeo sobre: SACA DE LAS YEGUAS 2016. Almonte (Huelva) kzread.info/dash/bejne/fXVnwZN9lt29YMo.html

totally disagree with 7kole4. This was a very informative video and the couple was great. At least the majority had no issue with them..

Vaquero

vaquero

I think tradition has gotten in the way of advancing in horsemanship. A horse can be worked with finesse and trust, not fear. Spade bit is not needed. One can go beyond the so called spade bit 'signaling device', with a rope halter, hackamore, neck rope, or nothing on the face or neck.

@s-g9076

5 жыл бұрын

absolutely, spade bits are really not necessary. Basically you ride a horse from the waist down, not with your hands..

@gerrycoleman7290

4 жыл бұрын

@The Lost Media Library Wrong answer. Try again.

The bridle is completely unnecessary. The hackamore or rope halter can be refined to whatever degree the rider wants. It just takes time.

5:19 6:29

✝️🇱🇷💪🤠☕

Actually the spanish word for horse is 'Caballo'. The word 'Caballero' does exist but it actually means 'knight'!!

@errcdes

5 жыл бұрын

As in a horseback man; a knight.

A horse is much more genteler than a women, if you know how to treat it right. That's my philosophy

The word cowboy is the Hollywood name for vaquero. The word vaquero came first.

Other Than The "Old Man",,, He's The "Real Deal"... The Other Two Are At Best,,, About Half Right

First vaqueros were mestizos in Texas and el Norte

Imitators texanos mexican vaquero original

@scotgcoab9380

6 жыл бұрын

spanish imitators.. first arriving to florida & california were spanish

@Martin_89

5 жыл бұрын

@@scotgcoab9380 the Mexican mestizo created these methods, the Spaniards were too upper class in their own eyes to do this work

@lafierasgamefarm258

3 жыл бұрын

scot gcoab no pelan pa trabajar

@mikehungcho

Жыл бұрын

@@scotgcoab9380 The anglos weren’t raising cattle they were raising cheep. Y’all welcome

@jaypay8954

2 ай бұрын

@@scotgcoab9380 Mexicans arent spanish and the vaqueros arent spanish they are Mexican. Spain is in Europe vaqueros dont exist in spain. Vaquero is from Mexico

16:15 Beating their horses to make them more sensitive? They should be ashamed. I'm a horsewoman and trainer--I would never do something so cruel.

@cruzvarela9254

Жыл бұрын

You are sooooo right. Braking horse now. Easy and gently.

@mikehungcho

Жыл бұрын

Yea back then it was a job. Now you ride horses because of a hobby it’s not the same.

@bryanitza-chulopez1658

5 ай бұрын

@@mikehungchoBingo! It was a different time back then. Homesteading was a matter of life and death. If you worked, you ate and had a roof over your head. What these modern day equestrians and hobbyists don’t understand the struggle ranchers and vaqueros had to endure in the 19th century.

Oh...that's right...I forgot John B. Stetson was from Mexico City...

@TheAlhambralions

7 жыл бұрын

Mgetreal no he wasn't but he got the idea of the cowboy hat from the hats that the vaqueros would wear

vaqueros first spsnish style dont forget dragones de la cuera , all the vaquero culture came from spain , neither france nor england

@jaypay8954

2 ай бұрын

Vaquero culture did NOT come from spain. Spain brough their horses and cattle the vaquero is purely Mexican invention/innovation,dont get the two confused. Vaquero is a major part of Mexican culture becasue its origin is Mexican.

el verdadero vaquero es originario de México

@Argamboy100

3 жыл бұрын

De España. En América no había caballos ni ganado. Esa costumbre es originaria de España.

@JoseHernandez-bd9mk

Жыл бұрын

@@Argamboy100 en España nunca han usado las reatas o lazos ni monturas con cabeza,que son las principales herramientas de trabajo de los vaqueros Mexicanos 😅

@sinaloense5798

Жыл бұрын

@@JoseHernandez-bd9mk es cierto , y no visten como los Norteños o chalino sanchez aya en su pais ,

@jaypay8954

2 ай бұрын

@@Argamboy100 No existen Vaqueros en Espana lo que hay alli se llaman "caballistas" pero TODO europa tiene caballistas eso NO significa que todos son "Vaqueros". Los vaqueros son de origin Mexicano de Norte America.

@vj7994

16 күн бұрын

el vaquero nace y se hace en México con la ayuda de la cultura Española. Por eso vas a encontrar "vaqueros" en otros países hispanoamericanos pero cada uno adaptado y con un nombre diferente. El vaquero nació en México.

Not ashamed to dress well imitators texanos

@iekoom

8 жыл бұрын

You get a 50%! Hence, you fail! "Mexican" is a nationality. If the Spanish were in 'Nueva Expana' i.e.: Mexico then, the first vaqueros were "Mexican". Get it?

@OchoaPrideMex4Life

8 жыл бұрын

+iekoom people forget that the spanish from then where mixing with natives with is pretty much a mexican now...so its a tradition passed down...and like they say in the video...it branched out to other countries....it always been in mexico and western usa

@alejandrosotosantamaria248

7 жыл бұрын

+Andres de Villanueva a los españoles les conviene adjudicarse la historia a su gusto. Le recuerdo, los vaqueros Novo-Hispanos en su gran mayoría eran nativos del lugar y si lo duda lea los documentos. A Los peninsulares no les interesaba la Nueva España, no sabían de ella ni sus formas peculiares de vida(prueba de ello las Cortes de Cadiz). Los hombres que hicieron a la Nueva España y a los vaqueros fueron gente nacida en Nueva Vizcaya, Arizpe, California, Nuevo Santander, etc. Esa cultura le pertenece a Méjico y san se acabó, ¡ya basta de abusar de ese país! España se quedó en la península.

@alejandrosotosantamaria248

7 жыл бұрын

+iekoom así es, esa cultura es mexicana!

@VredesStall

7 жыл бұрын

It was the Spanish Conquistadors and other Europeans who first brought horses, cattle and the hacienda system to what they first called "New Spain" (and later "Mexico") and it was the Spanish landlords who taught the native indios the art of horsemanship as well as the Spanish language that is still spoken there today. So it was technically the Spaniards who were the very first "vaqueros"... and the Mexicans later became Vaqueros, Ranchos and Charros when they won their independence.

Rick lamb... ultimate grifter

It did not start in Mexico. It came from Spain. They bought the horses and started ranches. I get a kick when the woman says it originated in Mexico from Spain. Huh? The Spanish Language came from Spain. Catholic Religion came from Spain. Among other things. I think that people need to study their history better.

@alejandrosotosantamaria248

7 жыл бұрын

entonces según tú lógica ustedes no son americanos, su cultura viene de inglaterra, entonces ustedes son unos inmigrantes que no pertenecen a América. Prefieren creer que el vaquero se originó en España en lugar de reconocer que el vaquero es MEXICANO. ¿es tan difícil reconocerlo?

@alejandrosotosantamaria248

7 жыл бұрын

entonces según tú lógica ustedes no son americanos, su cultura viene de inglaterra, entonces ustedes son unos inmigrantes que no pertenecen a América. Prefieren creer que el vaquero se originó en España en lugar de reconocer que el vaquero es MEXICANO. ¿es tan difícil reconocerlo?

@iekoom

7 жыл бұрын

Hmmm, you are displaying a lot of horsepower!

@50magnum805

6 жыл бұрын

It descended from Spain and originated in Northern Mexico. It's like saying that the first bull riders(mexican sport) where the Spanish just because bull riding originated from bullfighting (spanish sport) even though they did not ride bulls in spain.

@juliohuizar6347

6 жыл бұрын

There are NO vaqueros in Spain, never was.. Vaqueros were born in the new world, in Mexico period..

The first Vaqueros in the mainland were established in Florida. All the way back to Ponce de Leon in 1513. Mexico (New Spain) was in 1519. Very little known fact because of emotional politics.

@jaypay8954

2 ай бұрын

NOPE the first vaqueros were Mexican the vaquero originates in Mexico.This argument about Mexico "not existing" before 1821 doesnt mean a thing. New Spain is Mexico and Mexico is New Spain its the SAME land and people. Vaqueros didnt arrive from spain they were spanish horseman NOT vaqueros. Vaquero is a mexican horseman not a gaucho not any of those other so called "cowboys" ok. Vaquero is a specific type of horseman created in what is now called Mexico. You seem to imply that the people of New spain considered themselves "spanish" I can tell you that they did not identify as spaniards as caste systems and slavery were imposed on citizens of New Spain so they were second class citizens ONLY peninsular born spaniards had full rights. And another thing as well this notion that New Spain traditions and culture just "disappeared" when it became Mexico is preposterous. New Spain now known as Mexico is the same people and culture thats why its Mexican culture and Identity. You need to understand how colonized people create their own cultural identity and form their own country. Yes Mexicans have spanish influence just like the vaquero has spanish influence but it also has native contributions and its origins are in New Spain aka MEXICO. Influence cannot equate to origin. You cannot separate new spain from Mexico because its the same people and culture, New Spain was NOT Spain. The vaquero arose in what is now Mexico from due to the geography of Mexicos harsh climate and the size of new spain was like 12x bigger than Spain that is why the cowboy is famous for its gear and techniques because its the BEST horseman there ever lived it aws formed through centuries of innovation by My ancestors the new spain citizens now known as Mexicans today. And the vaquero was a poor mans job usually done by a mestizo the most common Mexican today in Mexico. spaniard in Mexico was not doing labor work. Most worked for the Spanish crown. The Spanish introduced the horseman and the horse but the vaquero culture of Mexico is from Mexico. All of europe had equestrian practices England, France, Italy, Germany all of asia had horseman are they all COWBOYS?VAQUEROS??? I think not!! You shouldnt be delegitimizing Mexican culture becasue you are PRO spaniard. You are dismissing an entire culture and country and calling it spanish that is in very bad taste. Doesnt matter if you dont believe me anymore. History and Academics are on the side of Mexican and the Vaquero will never be spanish it will always be Mexican its very demeaning and in my opinion a very racist attitude by giving colonizers all the credit for all the culture in Mexico. That to me show me you are spreading false colonizer propaganda and are definitely pro spaniard/pro white because you REFUSE to acknowledge Mexican culture and Identity. BTW NEVER say this to a Mexican in real life it is highly offensive.

@otracuentaperra4290

2 ай бұрын

@@jaypay8954 I wish I had your emotional fervor but I stick to documented facts. The territory you know as Mexico now was called New Spain . But this was after Florida. 1513 La Florida) was the first major European land-claim and attempted settlement-area in northern America during the European Age of Discovery. La Florida formed part of the Captaincy General of Cuba....Spain arrived in Mexico on April 21, 1519, when a fleet of 11 Spanish galleons anchored off the coast of the island of Cozcamama in the eastern Gulf of Mexico,

@jaypay8954

2 ай бұрын

@@otracuentaperra4290 Im Mexican I can tell you there was NEVER any vaqueros aka cowboys in Florida. Its not emotional fervor Im speaking facts I know becasue I am Mexican, vaquero of Mexican origin NOT spanish.

@otracuentaperra4290

2 ай бұрын

@@jaypay8954 I am Latino also and I know all about the illogical rationale of "It is true because I am this or that". What you are and what I am has nothing to do with the fact that. The first Vaqueros landed in Florida several years before they landed in New Spain (what is called Mexico today). Emotionalisms are seldom facts. In fact there were no horses (OR COWS) in Mexico before the Spanish came. The way I see you talk I am sure that you ignore that there is a breed of horses in Florida older than the rest of the Spanish mustangs. But you are personally aggrieved by facts that really have nothing to do with you personally...Which is sad.

@jaypay8954

2 ай бұрын

@@otracuentaperra4290 Spanish horseman are NOT vaqueros. Equestrian practices are found all over europe hardly unique to Spain does that make English,Frencjh,Italians cowboys? NO they are called HORSEMAN. Spanish horseman are NOT vaqueros. Vaquero are Mexican. Yes Vaquero has spanish influence but the Vaquero origins are from Mexico. "Florida cracker" was not a cowboy/Vaquero they didnt use lasso to capture or herd cattle and many other things the vaquero used. They were horseman with european equestrian practices NOT Mexican Vaquero techniques the florida "cowboy" used whips. Horse were brought all over the Americas just because someone rides a horse dont make them a Vaquero/cowboy. You must be getting that confused with a horseman the vaquero is a different type of horseman with very unique and specific special gear only found with the vaquero. Now the vaquero is copied throughout the world by Americans, Australians, LAtin AMerica even Spain its whatever but the fact of the matter is its of Mexican origin and culture.