What do you think is the BEST or WORST adapatation?? ~ Tim

@4mobius280

Жыл бұрын

It’s one you know well. An adaptation which we try not to acknowledge. A film you’ve talked about. It’s Avatar the Last Airbender. Sorry about the resulting flashbacks

@kurathchibicrystalkitty5146

Жыл бұрын

Best adaptation...well, when it comes to the very few movies that I like more than the original books: Stardust, How To Train Your Dragon [I do like the books a lot, but I like the movie even more], and Howl's Moving Castle [I'm a big fan of Diana Wynne Jones' books, and I know that most people don't like it because of all the changes, but it was my first Studio Ghibli movie, and I feel that the book and the movie can exist in parallel, to be enjoyed equally]. As for worst...it's a three way tie of 'Bad Avatar', the 'Peter Johnson' movies [Percy Jackson movies], and the BBC Watch adaptation that is supposedly an adaptation of Discworld's City Watch books, but it mashes together multiple plot lines into an incoherent mess and makes the characters unrecognizable, and that's all putting it mildly. Truly, the Watch adaptation is an abomination until Nuggan.

@RunningOnAutopilot

Жыл бұрын

Any fan animation of worm is very cool but also very disappointing because there will always be a worm anime by studio orange or some other 3D studio cause worm is too long to do in more expensive 2D shaped hole in the world READ WORM Or anything by wildbow The stuff is so good that I have to recommend it to everyone and every time it's a genuine recommendation But also I think you specifically would like it

@indigodarkwolf

Жыл бұрын

I'll admit the first movie that occurred to me for "worst adaptation ever" was "World War Z", but the simple fact is that the movie is so disconnected from the book that I can't decide whether it really even counts. It has zombies, it has a scene in Israel that uses dogs in cages as a zombie-infection detection mechanism, and... pretty much nothing else. Honestly, it offended me for using the title or claiming an attachment to the book, even moreso than the famous example of how the movie adaptation of "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" used the title of "Blade Runner", in spite of those two books being wholly different from each other. But "World War Z" at least *claims* to be based on the novel.

@wizardsknowledge1138

Жыл бұрын

Here's my list, I'm including both TV shows and movies (and an honorable mention) because I'm feeling super generous (I know I'm amazing, feel free to praise me and my list): *Best **_movie_* adaptation: The *_Harry Potter_* film series *Worst **_movie_* adaptation: The *_Avatar: The Last Airbender_* movie *Best **_TV show_* adaptation: The *_House of the Dragon_* TV show *Worst **_TV show_* adaptation: The *_Rings of Power_* TV show *Best **_overall_* adaptation: The *_House of the Dragon_* TV show *Worst **_overall_* adaptation: The *_Avatar: The Last Airbender_* movie *Honorable mention* for *best **_TV show_* adaptation: The *_Game of Thrones_* TV show (Seasons 1-5 only; if Game of Thrones didn't start to decline after the 5th season (reaching peak horribleness in season 8), it would have been the best TV show adaptation instead of House of the Dragon.)

I'm honestly impressed that you managed to feature at least two movies that don't exist in the thumbnail

@caseyglover7298

Жыл бұрын

None of them exist

@matthewmuir8884

Жыл бұрын

There is no The Last Airbender Movie within the walls of Ba Sing Se. Here, we are safe. Here, we are free.

@Anarkitty420

Жыл бұрын

I love that he invested so much time into designing the thumbnail that you could almost convince yourself that those pictures were from real movies.

@noramorad560

Жыл бұрын

That reminds me of when people kept telling me there was a Harry Potter Stage Play but whenever they tried to show me I just saw a black void.

@SkyP9812

Жыл бұрын

There's three movies there that don't exist... ... One of them is a show

I'm honestly surprised that you didn't mention how to train your dragon when discussing good but unfaithful adaptations. That movie is basically nothing like the book, and yet it is fairly universally beloved

@valentinaaugustina

Жыл бұрын

when i was little i refused to watch the sequels bc i was mad they weren’t accurate

@projectpems8304

Жыл бұрын

It felt strange seeing Hiccup and Toothless be so....normal

@Thunderdumpe

Жыл бұрын

I acknowledge that they are a high quality, but it was also the most disappointing movie I've ever watched, the sense of humour from the books was unique, I've never found anything like it, and the one and only name thay invented for the show was INGRID?!?!?!?!?!?!? Every other name in the whole world is a brutal insult, tha main characters name is literally 'mistake' and I get they needed to rename Kamikaze, but Ingrid?!? None of the humour was translated at all, except for the names that they kept, although they changed the meaning of Toothless to not be a joke too.

@lambda5949

Жыл бұрын

​@@Thunderdumpeikr, I liked the adaptations but it's pretty obvious they were just piggybacking off an existing IP to tell a completely different story, and they overshadow the original and the uniqueness it had.

@Scowleasy

Жыл бұрын

Iron Giant

I think the big lesson I've taken from failed adaptations is, "Don't give amazing properties to showrunners who don't understand what makes those properties amazing."

@ShadeStormXD

Жыл бұрын

or to showrunners who think they can do better and seem to actively dislike the source material, the witcher show comes to mind

@paulderosa3065

Жыл бұрын

Or showrunners who are far more interested and telling their own stories under the guise of a popular one

I hope this means we are eventually getting a three hour rant video for Rings of Power like we did for Avatar.

@themythosarchives7520

Жыл бұрын

YES!

@emilyrln

Жыл бұрын

PLEASE!!!

@angelabby2379

Жыл бұрын

and for Ariel

@ashtingreene8725

Жыл бұрын

I would watch literally every single minute of that just like I did with Avatar!

@ug2254

Жыл бұрын

@@ashtingreene8725 I would watch it twice

FINALLY! SOMEONE ACKNOWLEDGES ARTEMIS IS A FULL-ON VILLAIN PROTAGONIST IN THE FIRST BOOK! IT’S *CRUCIAL* TO THE SERIES, AND I’VE ONLY EVER SEEN PEOPLE CALL HIM AN “ANTIHERO”!

@Parker8752

Жыл бұрын

Yeah; antihero is where he sits maybe midway through the series, and he might be an actual hero by the end, but the first book? He's the bad guy.

@MasteringJohn

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, he was a villain protagonist in a children's series, so there was always been a pretty hard floor to how evil he could actually be. Doesn't excuse that travesty of an adaptation, though.

@kellharris2491

Жыл бұрын

Can we talk about the fact that Holly had skin like a nut IE she was brown and the first woman in Leprecon special forces? They had this positive representation that they didn't make a big deal about. And then they took that out and somehow made it racist by making butler this Manny character? Like Massa Fowl? How did they mess this up so badly? Why did they think that was a good idea race swaping and making Butler and Julia black? And if you gender swap everyone how is Holly working in the special forces special anymore?

@aelechdeepestflame4347

Жыл бұрын

@@kellharris2491 Exactly. Root says in the book that the only reason he’s hard on her is that she is the first female police officer in the force, so everyone’s eyes are on her. The movie removed that entire plot point.

@David_Fellner

Жыл бұрын

Wait, you mean abducting and ransoming someone in order to gain money and power is an act of villainy, not morally-grey _heroism?_

Worst adaption for me would be Eragon. I loved that book growing up and was thrilled to hear of an adaption. The only thing it got remotely right was Jeremy Irons as Brom.

@Whendego

Жыл бұрын

Just thinking about it has ruined my entire day.

@jackwriter1908

Жыл бұрын

It was bad. So, so bad... But, considering that I for some reason keep watching horrible adaptations have to say, hated the _Percy Jackson_ movies more. Eragon whe being horrible, still somehow followed the plot. In Percy Jackson the entire plot of Hades being innocent was destroyed, three people have three pearls with which they know they can return to the surface and decide to go down into the underworld while planning to take another person with them? Electronics are suddenly something normal at the camp and... Sorry, maybe it's just more in my mind then Eragon, haven't seen it in a while. But in Eragon, the theme seemed to stay the same in a way. In Percy Jackson, if something exists, it was probably swapped and making a 12 year old kid that is most of his time away from home, into a 16 year old kid that goes home everyday and have them both being scared of a man that is the same height as 16 year old Percy... Sally killed Gabe in the book and sold the Evidence! She planned ways to fight against greek monsters without being a Demigod! In the movie she is that damsel in distress type that has nothing else to say then _I had sex with a god and you are the result, I am getting kidnapped now so you can rescue me._ Sorry... none of my friends actually read much, so it's sometimes hard to show frustration...

@xfel5913

Жыл бұрын

I’m not sure it’s objectively worse than say, the Artemis Fowl movie, but the big thing with Eragon is that it happened back when we still had hopes for good adaptations. And those hopes got thoroughly crushed.

@ArukiTsukaru

Жыл бұрын

...worse than ATLA?

@NoiseDay

Жыл бұрын

I vaguely remember both Eragon and Percy Jackson. With Eragon, I was confused as to why they did it "differently" aka poorly. With Percy Jackson, I was offended.

A fun thing about the departure with Bill, that I haven't people talking about, is that he and his partner's story IS actually from the game. It just isn't theirs. If you are paying attention and exploring the environment, you find an old couple dead in their bed. Their is a letter or a journal entry that explains exactly the circumstances we see Bill and his partner go through at the end of their arc. That couple essentially lived the life we see Bill and his husband live.

@guyjperson

Жыл бұрын

Whether you find a couple dead in their bed is immaterial to the BILL story line. The couple dead in their bed is ripped off from AT LEAST 28 Days Later. The shows Bill plot line is entirely outside of the thread of the show. In fact, his entire contribution to the show is ultimately five minutes. In the game, the character gives Ellie some insight into a mindset outside her ken. It allows you to see Ellie's character in dealing with a new antagonist. It informs Joel's character. In the show, Ellie reads a note. She doesn't know Bill, never sees him, doesn't know the relationship. Joel ALSO doesn't see the relationship. Joel & Ellie's relationship is in no way similar to Bill and...Frank? Its garbage and doesn't add to the narrative in any way. It's a "For Your Consideration" episode and sux balls.

@uvn6210

Жыл бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@guyjperson the arcs that Bill and Frank vs Joel and Ellie have are very similar (except obviously one is a couple and one is a father-daughter relationship) from my point of view. Joel and bill are stoic and closed off men who are physically strong but emotionally unhealthy; refusing to let anyone in out of the fear of losing them. In the middle of the arc for both, the strong protector gets injured and the other has to step into the role of providing. By the end, both become deeply appreciative of the place the other person has in their life and does something extreme to protect themselves from living without the other.

@t3tsuyaguy1

Жыл бұрын

@Guy Person Obviously, you had a bad experience of that episode. I just don't agree with your take. It's a reasonable enough take. I just don't agree.

@Soulferno

Жыл бұрын

​@@t3tsuyaguy1Gonna TLDR this since I got carried away but I found the episode in question a good example of how the show could kinda fall flat in some ways. It wasn't badly written but it felt pointless and too slow at times to where it felt like I was watching a different show and this is disregarding the context of the game. Now for the original comment. Don't get me wrong, the episode is very well written as a backstory but narratively speaking serves ultimately no purpose to the story in any way, shape or form even with the context of the game. Sure, it was nice to see their relationship and how it turned out better than the game but halfway through it all, it felt really pointless. Even without the game, it feels like some other story from some other show. Just change some minor things up and you can fit this romantic plot anywhere, with anyone. It's made even more confusing with the context of the game because Joel and Ellie actually spend time with Bill and you get to see all the characters grow a little and even see some insight into Bill and how his ideas made him so jaded to where he drove his partner away. It's meant to further show that this post-apocalyptic world can break you in other ways rather than the fear of death by infected or the desperation for survival. His paranoia is definitely in the show but it feels more like a basis for the story they want to tell than an actual character trait from what we see in the episode. Ellie gets no growth and we get very little for Joel too, our main characters btw. Felt more like filler than anything else which is probably the only issue I had with the show. A lot of the extra stuff is hit or miss with no in-between. I may have had the game to work off of but sometimes I really did feel like the show was jerking me around for plot threads that honestly didn't matter. Seeing how the infection truly started was really cool and adds a lot more the game didn't have but seeing Bill's relationship with Frank just felt like filler rather than a good backstory. And then there's seeing how David actually ran his little community, which was a genius idea to really add to just how much of an insane creep he was but before that we got Sam's story which had a very undercooked antagonist for no other reason than to cause drama and conflict when it was already there to begin with. A 1:1 adaptation of the game would've ended in disaster as much of it would've been just meandering about but some of the liberties they took with certain plot ideas felt the same regardless so while the show was good it fell flat more than a few times in trying to be its own thing instead of simply reframing some game moments

@t3tsuyaguy1

Жыл бұрын

@Cesar Pena I think your take is fair enough. Adaptation always involves a certain number of risks. I actually loved every minute of the show, and it all felt completely cohesive. I contend that for whatever reason, I received what they intended, while you did not, in some cases. This isn't a failing on your part nor a strength on mine. It's just how our experiences played out. I would say they risked people having your experience, with the goal of people having mine. Time will tell how well their risks paid off.

“I was so immersed as Joel was carrying Ellie out of the hospital.” Playing through that segment for the first time, I genuinely entered a flow state. I was no longer playing a game, I WAS Joel. I felt the rifle in my hands, the shiv, the Firefly I was holding as a human shield. I swear I managed to do things in that first play through that I’ve never been able to replicate subsequently. And when it cuts to the truck ride, I like “woke up”.

If you were an anime fan in the mid 2000's then you remember the plague of adaptations that just ignored source material and made up an original ending 😭

@cyan_oxy6734

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes the anime got ahead of the manga. I think FMA still is a good show. The real baine of anime adaptation is live action. The people making those overwhelmingly don't seem to have one inch of respect for the source material.

@sztroodle2578

Жыл бұрын

That is super fair. How do they manage to pitch live action adaptations and get actors like Willem Dafoe to do mo-cap??

@caffeinepuppy

Жыл бұрын

The 2017 live-action Ghost in the Shell... 😬

@ccasserole5267

Жыл бұрын

I mean a lot had no choice b/c their endings literally weren't even written yet

@Plotbunnyhunter

Жыл бұрын

boi do i have news for you about the FMA live action movies

I still can't believe that the "Its feeding time!" scene is easily one of the most faithful parts in the Artemis Foul movie.

@Deadflower019

Жыл бұрын

What the fck WAS THAT?

@greyfox4838

Жыл бұрын

is Artemis Fowl even a good book to begin with?

@nachos247

Жыл бұрын

@@greyfox4838 Yes, it's good, it's like a fantasy heist story. The protagonist is a morally ambiguous genius who discovers that fairies and other fantasy creatures are real and decides to pull off an oceans 11 type heist on their entire society. That's the first book anyway, the later books go in slightly different directions, but they're all still really good.

@Majin_Koolaid

Жыл бұрын

​@@nachos247 you should write the sleeve on the back of the book😂

@shainahum6717

Жыл бұрын

i liked the moment he said "it's feeding time" and started to feed all over the place

On the subject of good movies that are bad adaptations...Jurassic Park is my number 1. The book and movie are both really good but share nothing other than a basic premise and basics of each character. However, despite the fact that they have very different plotlines and themes, both versions explore each thing really well, and it's clear Spielberg respected the original story and just wanted to take it in a different direction-but he did it in a way that made sense.

@ethanmillward675

Жыл бұрын

I disagree that it’s simply a bad adaptation. The overall story’s mostly the same, it’s just that the details are often different. They also have the same themes overall. For me it falls into a weird place where I’m not sure what to think of it as an adaptation

@nathanross8409

Жыл бұрын

@@ethanmillward675 True, tbh it's been a while since I read the book, I just think it's really interesting how the plots of each are pretty different but they're both still really good.

@dmgroberts5471

Жыл бұрын

In the book, Robert Muldoon shoots a Raptor with a grenade launcher and blows it to bits. While shitfaced on whiskey. I'm not sure how they'd fit that into the movie, but I wish they had.

@zenebean

Жыл бұрын

@@dmgroberts5471 Muldoon doing all that crazy stuff and dragging Gennaro (the lawyer) were some of my favorite scenes because they are so fun, but I get it would probably mess up the tone or pacing in a short movie

@darmorel549

Жыл бұрын

by what I remember, like 80% of the things not in the movies where death scenes. So many people die in the book. Only the archaeologists and the kids survive (and are basically place under house arrest in a hotel the government buys after blowing up the island). And it also go into a lot more detail. You remember the one who sells out and dies in a car right? well, it doesnt fade to black at that point. And let just say, you do not want to read it before or after eating lunch.

HTTYD is another adaptation that is soooo different from the book and so much the better for it. We got 2 great stories instead of just 1. Also, the movie takes advantage of the medium to showcase flying.

One of my fav adaptations is Netflix's A Series of Unfortunate Events. They retconned and added extra scenes not in the book and I felt enriched the world building and the story a bit more while keeping the essence of the book series I enjoyed while growing up. They did such a good job

@lasernatoo0

Жыл бұрын

That's the one adaptation that I actually like more than the books. I'm sure a lot of that has to do with the fact that the author of the books wrote like half the episodes.

@sims2lovealot

Жыл бұрын

Interestingly enough, I absolutely hate that adaptation lol. I felt like it made a mockery of the characters and made everything seem cartoonish and childish. I far prefer the movie because it brought out the black comedy and the cleverness of the writing and the characters, and actually showed them using their skills to get out of situationts. Plus the casting was spot on. I was actually scared of Jim Carrey's Olaf but also loved watching him on screen, whereas NPH's Olaf is rather bland in comparison. But each to their own, it's so interesting to see how everyone's take on an adaptation is different. Except for the ATLA movies and ROP, we can all agree that those are abominations lol.

@mr.jeorgexiii1732

Жыл бұрын

@sims2lovealot yeah it did mock most of the adults but the books do the same thing too, making them look incompetent and bumbling. I guess the one thing is that as much as I love NPH, he didn't make Olaf look intimidating in the few moments he was supposed to be actually scarry

@Nerd1090

Жыл бұрын

I really liked the show. Not without criticism, it was a little lighter I think but frankly mostly rocked

@RHKang-hl3ps

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, definitely more light-hearted than the books, but it was entertaining, and I love the narration because that's exactly how I imagined it in my head.

I am absolutely loving this entire video but now it has also become a game of how many times an animal will walk across the couch behind you while you are talking about incredibly dark themes 😅❤

@lillianwolfe8314

Жыл бұрын

It is a game I’ll play forever lol. Dang, love that cat, and all the best to you, Tim!!

@emilyrln

Жыл бұрын

The best game! That little moment with the dog was solid gold, and I will forever be here for kitty scritches 🥰

The adaptation of The Wheel of Time literally made me cry. I found the first book when I was 15 and spent a significant portion of my life faithfully following that story. They completely and utterly wrecked it. I was so sad about it. What they did to Mat and his family was unforgivable. On the flip side, the adaptation of The Magicians was incredibly well done. One of my favorites of all time.

@zenebean

Жыл бұрын

I was so hopeful about WoT, and it slowly drained the hope out of me. So many wierd decisions

@Mordalon

Жыл бұрын

WoT was good though. The changes in the later part of the season were severe but it’s yet to be seen where they go with those changes.

@archangel1of7

Жыл бұрын

@@Mordalon I'll never find out. I will never watch that show.

@momo7989

Жыл бұрын

The WoT is actually good thro and I think they made some smart decisions for the future seasons. Not everything can be adapted and that's something we as viewers have to understand as well.

@Mordalon

Жыл бұрын

@@archangel1of7 So? That's a bizarre thing to claim. Again, they had to make changes for the practicalities of a TV adaptation, don't pretend it's bad just because it's different.

I’m a huge fan of Discworld, and what the BBC did with their Watch series adaptation was agonizing

@cenedra20

Жыл бұрын

It was so bad. Could be a cool series if it didn't claim to be Discworld. It did dirty every single character, and the changes in the worldbuilding were bad, shallow, or just plain stupid.

@MarkusAldawn

Жыл бұрын

​@@cenedra20yeah it was a 7 or even maybe an 8/10, but it came from a series that consistently did 11 and 12/10s. I think i genuinely liked it, but it's hard to tell, because i kept going "hang on, so they're doing _Guards! Guards!_ right now? Or is this _Night Watch?_ Oh they've started at the end of Cheery's arc. That's a shame, that whole arc meant so much to me. Are... are those the auditors?" Genuinely likable moments like the auditors going "bye bye :)" to Carcer were kind of undermined by the fact that they'd made an entirely new character and just called him Carcer. Basically I would recommend this to people if Discworld didn't exist.

@kobresia9

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkusAldawnh... my god, they are the auditors, aren't they? I've only got into Discworld books after watching the show, and now it makes so much sense. I mean the fact that they're the auditors, the show still makes zero sense

I've always liked what Nerdwriter1 said about adaptations (in regards to the 2017 Ghost in the Shell movie): "Those who adapt works of art should be given the creative license to make the story work for them. But you can't just mine the source material for parts. Adaptations and remakes don't require strict adherence or obedience or even necessarily respect... just an understanding of what made the original so powerful in the first place."

@Lilith_Harbinger

Жыл бұрын

That is an interesting saying, but without minimal respect to the source material you are bound to lose a lot of viewers who read/played the original. In this video small examples are given like changing the characters' clothes or hairstyle. It's not integral to the story but it might piss off people who love the original thing you are adapting.

@iandonnelly6684

Жыл бұрын

Exactly the first starship troopers movie has no respect for the book but is so much better for that

@JaelinBezel

Жыл бұрын

I choose to interpret this as defending the 2017 Ghost in the Shell

The thing with video games is that the interactivity provides a lot of story shortcuts, or rather can tell the story through gameplay/interactivity. You don’t necessarily need to make the audience care about the protagonist as much because the player is directly placed into the role of the protagonist, for instance. This kind of goes for Sarah. In The Last of Us, clickers feel threatening in part because they are a pretty tanky enemy that can kill you in one shot if you aren’t careful.

I think that the new Interview with the Vampire show is a good example of an adaptation that made substantial changes to the original source material but those changes made sense and they not only kept the thematic core of the story (louis and lestat's dysfunctional relationship) but expanded on it. Louis is changed from a white slave owner in the 1700s to a black pimp in the 1910s. This is a giant change but it keeps the idea that Louis is profiting off of the pain of others. And there are a variety of changes like this that I love. I think it also helps if that the show on its own is one of the best shows of the last year. Highly recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it!!

@Arcadian-Nova

Жыл бұрын

i think that is for very similair reasons as why the last of us ended up soo good: the original creators were involved in adapting the stories. i cant say much about how passionate the people behind the scens of iwtv where but it wouldnt suprise me if a lot of other people involved in making hte show where just as pasionate about it as the people who worked on tlou were. to me its very clear that there is love and respect for the source, and a genuine attempt at keeping the core of the story true.

I feel there are worse adaptations (maybe) like the Last Airbender and Percy Jackson, but the one that truly hurt me was Queen of the Damned. It was… it was just terrible and it hurts all the more when I see people not realize how bad it was because Lestat and Akasha were hot…

@luisrods

Жыл бұрын

I second this, Queen of the Damned was a total failure, both as a movie and as adaptation (characters were changed into minor versions of themselves as contrary to elevated). I have read 5 books of the VampireChronicles of Anne Rice and almost the whole series is gold. While I ignore the specific context this specific movie was made, I feel it was a total waste of IP, they could have started with "Lestat The Vampire", in case they didn't want to remake Interview with the Vampire, and then moved to "Queen of the Damned". I still think that maybe, one day we'll see it well adapted.

@regrettispaghetti2517

Жыл бұрын

I'm curious if you have watched or enjoyed the TV series of IWTV? It's quite a bit different from the book, which I normally dislike, but I think the changes they made work and I still quite like it, changes aside.

@absolutelynotellen

Жыл бұрын

I refuse to talk about The Last Airbender

@Sabawn2821

Жыл бұрын

@@regrettispaghetti2517 I wanted to watch it, but didn’t want another subscription. I’ve heard good things, but I also hear good things about QotD an it was an abomination. I’ll have to see eventuality.

@luisrods

Жыл бұрын

@@regrettispaghetti2517 interesting, I did not know about this one. I checked some trailers and videos and does not look bad. Thank's for the information!

As a gay person, I was blown away that the zombie show based on a video game had sone of the most explicit and expertly made LGBT content I've seen in a mainstream project. Especially since the relationship was merely implied in the game.

@LC_JSE

Жыл бұрын

I have a question which might be kind of touchy so feel free to ignore. But as a gay person what do you think about gay relationships just shoehorned into shows just for diversity? Personally I’m always torn bc I am always for diversity but also most of the times it just feels like they are doing it to pander? Whereas in the last of us I think it was done beautifully to the point where to me it wasn’t a “gay relationship” it was just a relationship. I’m straight btw.

@JackedThor-so

Жыл бұрын

@@LC_JSE no, you're fine! I can assure you, it always sucks. You can tell when a character is made because the creators were genuine, and when they either wanted brownie points or were sent notes from the studio. I definitely agree - I'd rather have something than nothing at all, but that something may not be very good. That said, Disney's approach? Outside of The Owl House, trash, pure trash.

@kazuhirokawamoto7213

Жыл бұрын

should gay actors play gay characters? and straight actors should not play gay characters?

@JackedThor-so

Жыл бұрын

@kazuhirokawamoto7213 I would say it's best when it's LGBT actors playing LGBT parts, however, if it's well written and well acted, I think it's acceptable for a straight person to play it. That said, we should be supporting queer actors in the industry.

@FeebleAntelope

Жыл бұрын

I thought that storyline was incredibly beautiful. Speaking as a straight person who usually doesn't relate to gay storylines very well, they did such an excellent job inviting people to immerse themselves into the narrative. Masterfully done. I was right there with them, feeling everything until the ugly cry ending.

Halo killed my soul. How you fuck up such an iconic universe is so beyond my comprehension

Hunger games was a great adaptation. Not perfect but they mostly respected the source material.

@zenebean

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I enjoyed them, and they definitely added with some great stuff like the hydroelectric dam scene

@macaroni.5032

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@zenebean also Effie’s involvement in District 13. She wasn’t there originally but her addition really makes her a dynamic character.

@icymoons

Жыл бұрын

the people who made the movie understood that the strength of adapting the hunger games was being able to escape katniss' perspective and see what was happening outside her head

@momo7989

Жыл бұрын

That's because the books had a lot of leeway

@bethanart

Жыл бұрын

I’ve recently reread and rewatched the hunger games and 1000% agree! The scene where Seneca is taken into the locked room with the bowl of berries is exceptional. No one says a word but so much is said. The movies completely understand the core of each character, but they also knew what they could offer that the books couldn’t (being in first person narrative).

The worst adaptation I’ve ever seen was the avatar adaption because I knew Disney would butcher Artemis Fowl so bad so I didn’t bother watching it

@IshtarNike

Жыл бұрын

Haha. Same.

@jchinckley

Жыл бұрын

I knew they would butcher it, but I watched it anyway (out on the open seas, iirc). It wasn't horrific. I "enjoyed" it, but I wouldn't categorize it as an adaptation of Artemis Fowl. It was more like Disney stole the concept and then made their own movie like third-party studios do with the fairytales that Disney made/makes first. They aren't bad if you know what you're getting, but if you mistake them for the "real thing" then you are in for a world of disappointment.

Great review of TLoU, but the title of your video led me to expect a lot more discussion of bad adaptations. There’s a lot to be said about not just how these adaptations fail, but *why* it can be so disappointing for fans, and I’m bummed you didn’t get into it.

I think they nailed the choices between when to use the game as the screenplay and when to depart, for the purposes of translating the story from an interactive medium to a passive medium.

As a Percy Jackson fan, i never acknowledge their previous adaptations lmao. I wish for the best for the Disney+ adaptation because it's Rick Riordan approved! 🤗

@robinjameson4261

Жыл бұрын

I'm holding my breath for Disney. They have a high tendency of bastardizing things.

@FavineMoore

Жыл бұрын

I also wish the Disney adaptation the best...

@yko_7313

Жыл бұрын

We don't speak of the Peter Johnson movies.

@jesperburns

Жыл бұрын

It's Disney. It's guaranteed garbage.

@themythosarchives7520

Жыл бұрын

Even the trailer we got for the D+ show is much better and more faithful than the movies.

**Stares at Avatar Studios and Netflix with concern**

@ambuknight

Жыл бұрын

As you should be... The og writ es gave up on working with live action avatar cause "It wasn't our idea anymore" so in the end they couldn't do love action an yet they moved forward with more stuff hopefully we are worng on Netflix la Avatar.... But also I heard Netflix did another cutback and that means shows be getting chopped down again.

I can't think of a worst adaptation, BUT I know a really, really good adaptation instead. Good Omens. I still can't decide if I love the book or the adaptation more. The adaptation just adds to the story in the best way possible. Not surprising when one of the authors of the book was heavily involved in making the show. And I am sooo exited for season two. I can't wait.

@yunamchill9169

Жыл бұрын

Oooh, me too! I can't wait for the trailer... or have they already done a trailer and I didn't notice🤔?

@babsgalv6556

Жыл бұрын

And the other wasnt judt because he is dead, or he would havee benn totally going drunk with Martin.

@Loptr177

Жыл бұрын

​@@yunamchill9169 it dropped yesterday

@yunamchill9169

Жыл бұрын

@@Loptr177 NICE!!! Thank you!

@Loptr177

Жыл бұрын

@@yunamchill9169 You're welcome! The inefable duo is back

that episode with Bill and Frank was one of the best episodes of TV I've ever seen

Tim: She is the best adaptation of a cat... Blue (from OSP): Wait a sec *pulls out Kleo*

You talking about the TLoU adaptation reminded me of one of my favorite book-to-movie adaptations: The Little Prince. The movie has very little scenes from the book itself, but it managed to contextualize many of the concepts and reflections from the narrator, mostly by showing us what he meant in a more modern world. I grounds the themes, instead of just throwing the episodic scenes there and calling it a day. It's specially jarring to see a good adaptation like that when I was pretty much used to the attrocity that was the Percy Jackson movies.

I'm very partial to Denis Villeneuve's adaptation of Dune. Yes, some stuff gets lost in translation (chiefly the infamous dinner scene), but that is stuff which works better in a book than in a movie. For a part 1 which is supposed to set up everything it shares almost all of the exposition in multiple formats (narrative, the main character doing research and the main character finding out), without it feeling forced. Despite that it feels organic and shows a lot about the players in the movie, their characteristics and motivations. And the images is just plain stunning. Every image is almost a work of art itself. With the footage and score giving such an epic feel the movie truly hits home and I can't wait to see wether they can stick the landing in pt. 2

@Blimbus-Blombo

5 ай бұрын

I’m from the future. They didn’t just stick the landing, they were playing in an entirely different league.

GoT is an exceptional example for how adaptation is a totally different story than original writing: The first seasons were an outstanding masterpiece of an adaptation, with all the right things brilliantly translated into the different format, and all the right things left out or altered, while the last seasons were an abysmal atrocity of a „continuation“ (yes, the quote marks are there on purpose).

@y.s.mnails7834

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't have said it better myself.

@ehleeinn9743

Жыл бұрын

I hope we get a movie adapt of the last book.

@Ashbrash1998

Жыл бұрын

In my opinion, the first season was good but it was doomed from the beginning. First mistake was the showrunners purposely deciding to show little to nothing of the magic in the show, without considering how it would affect the story later on. And then they just kept cutting more and more

@tasha5605

Жыл бұрын

Unpopular opinion maybe, but I definitely don't think that all the right things were left out during the early seasons. Important things were left out that had a sizable impact on the plot much later down the line. It just wasn't immediately apparent. I still can't watch past season 1 without getting majorly annoyed and turning it off.

@ezrafriesner8370

Жыл бұрын

I think the new Dune film is another example, naturally it couldn’t keep everything from the books, so it cuts and adds things as necessary in a really tasteful way

Making a good adaptation honestly feels like a whole different craft of its own. Understanding and appreciating the source material and bringing it to a different medium, knowing what parts would be wise to take out or stay in, all the while trying to keep it faithful to the ultimate core of the original work, etc. That's why I'm all the more thankful (and even quite suprised) that've we've gotten incredible adaptations like LOTR and now The Last of Us, and even more frustrated with the ones that didn't work out (looking at you ATLA movie and Rings of Power lol). I hope we get more good adaptations like Last of Us more often, because boy do we need them lol

AtLA and the Eragon movie were the ones that taught me betrayal, so I was braved for the Percy Jackson movie. Haven’t seen the Artemis Fowl movie and have no intention to!

The one adaptation responsible for ruining my childlike excitement for seeing my favourite stories on film or TV was Eragon. It genuinely made me cry. I walked out of the theater so fucking ashamed because I took my younger brother with me to see it. It ruined everything: the menace of the Urgals, the relation between Eragon and Saphira, the relation between Eragon and Brom, how Saphira comes to trust and love Brom as well, the fight with Durza, the dwarves... Fucking EVERYTHING. I still get genuinely fucking ANGRY every time I think about it.

@vivianejenoc

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely this, me too. My family refused to read the books at the time (not following the recommendation of a 11 y/o, most likely), so I thought I'd get the DVD for Christmas and have my family watch it, then for sure they'd want to read it. Same as you, I was so heartbroken and ashamed, because as a bonus my family was now certain I loved an idiotic, empty story to bits. The PAIN to see everything so shallow and purpose-less, Saphira having no growth at all, Angela reduced to a f*cking fortune teller with sequins hanging out her nose, the Ra-Zac so transformed that I didn't even recognize them until I watched that abomination of a film for the SECOND time... It was an endless list of beautiful little ideas utterly crushed and mashed into uniform goo. I don't think I've ever felt this betrayed since.

@CaedenV

Жыл бұрын

Yeah... It felt like a bad book summary with CGI that wasn't ready yet, and actors who didn't get their characters. My son just finished the books and we suffered through the movie recently (we love laughing as bad movies)... And it was just as bad as I remembered. It's a fun laugh! But I also remember going to theaters to watch it and was so angry I almost walked out multiple times except I thought it might get better.

@bluesbest1

Жыл бұрын

​@@vivianejenoc iirc, watching Eragon enraged and confused me because I hadn't yet realized a movie could be _bad._ I was also 11 when it came out and had grown up on Disney films and other enjoyable movies. I must not have gotten into it until later, since I'd already gotten familiar with the cream of the adaptation crop, aka the LOTR trilogy, but it's like it lacked basically everything that made the book enjoyable. For example, Eragon being held captive. Did he starve himself in the movie? The sorcerer Bad Guy that Eragon kills at the end, did he die properly in the movie? Did Saphira have her "I'm using fire for the first time" moment as the culturally significant gem was shattered, all to distract the sorcerer so Eragon could kill him? I honestly can't remember, but I'm pretty sure those significant points were cut utterly. As an entirely unrelated aside, I find it interesting how I started getting into reading pretty much right when the Harry Potter films started diverging from the books in a, IMO, very bad way. That whole time period, including...There is no movie in Ba Sing Se...was rather childhood-ending. The worst part was, I hadn't even _watched_ ATLA beforehand and the first episode rubbed me the wrong way so I put off watching it for, like, 5 _years._

@RevanReborn3950BBY

Жыл бұрын

@@bluesbest1ditto on not watching the series for years due to the first episode, it’s a great episode, but I didn’t appreciate it at the time

@destroyer4929

Жыл бұрын

@@bluesbest1 I can tell you most things from the final fight were cut they cut the dwarves out entirely if I remember correctly they removed that the urgals and durza were attacking from old dwarven tunnels and just made the urgals mount a frontal assault on the heavily defended front entrance which I'm pretty sure they remove the waterfall as well they remove so many things that didn't need to be removed like the dwarves and just so much of the traveling scenes that allowed chemistry between brom,eragon and saphira so the characters end up feeling shallow and they change things that just didn't need to be changed like just removing the dwarves. TL;DR:the movie is fucking terrible and it should not exist

See that's the thing. I feel like you CAN make changes, but the adaptation still needs to be *about* something. Like, I LOVED LOVED LOVED the Crazy Rich Asian books because they felt like a modern day Jane Austen. A cutting social satire with a grade-A romance on the side. The movie was very different, in that it took the basic structure and characters of the book and instead made it about the conflict between Asian and Asian American cultures. Which, honestly, I was fine with because it was still a good story. And, really, you can't cast Michelle Yeoh and have her play a caricature. So hands-down: Ella Enchanted. I loved how fresh of a take on Cinderella the book was, and the movie was just...everything the book was not. They scraped off the very surface level plot, changed the ending, and slapped it onto a bunch of teen movie tropes. And white-washed Char. Oh, and the new Persuasion was also pretty bad.

@emilythesmelly

Жыл бұрын

I was so blinded by my Eragon anger I completely forgot about Ella Enchanted! Truly took an incredible book about agency and nuance and dumbed it down, sucking out the joy and the nuance 😭

@megroy6396

Жыл бұрын

@@emilythesmelly I try to forget about Ella Enchanted, too.

@michellesteimle9969

Жыл бұрын

I saw the movie before the book and I know that if I had read the book first I would have hated the movie but in the end I have to admit there was not a good way to appropriately show the agony of her fighting the curse at the end with out actually showing her hold the knife and struggle against it and open her hand to let go. So I see it like the Bladerunner or How To Train Your Dragon. It was never meant to be a match to the book. Just take elements and use them and have a fun time.

Congrats on the wedding! I do have a question, though. But what if the Phantom of the Opera's scar is on the wrong side?

@Alleyoop1-7Fanfiction

Жыл бұрын

Oh man, I adore the musical and I love the book. They change the ending so much to make it more climactic or climatic or whatever, but I don’t care, I live for the drama. But I also miss the quiet confusion of Raoul and the events that occur that lead up to Christine’s freedom. If you want another adaptation you should check out the Yeston/Koppit musical and retelling. It’s changed quite a bit, but still enjoyable. Focuses more on Erik.

Really liking the little funny edits spliced in, they feel fresh but perfect, like a natural evolution from “A WIZARD DID IT”. Congratulations on marriage!

Great discourse. Congrats on snagging Mrs. Hello Future Me. When you did the cutaway with you saying, "my one ring that gives me absolute power and I will only be referred to here on out as Dark Lord Hello Future Me," I was expecting to hear Mrs. HFM in the background asking you to take out the trash and you saying sheepishly, "Yes, dear!" Total missed opportunity. :)

One of the best adaptations from book to movie for me was "Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World". "Master and Commander" was the first novel in the series, and "The Far Side of the World" was the tenth - and while the movie mostly follows that one it's quite a bit different from the book, and generally pulls from all over the series. But man, it's an amazing film. Also, despite being an entirely fictional story it's one of the most historically accurate movies I've ever seen in regards to details.

@ThePowerofStoriesDK

Жыл бұрын

Love both the books and the movie. I'd argue the film is in the same vein as Blade Runner, a terrible adaptation (because of how massively different it is from the books) but a fantastic film in its own right. The historical accuracy of everything in that movie is incredible.

@Technodreamer

Жыл бұрын

I STILL have hopes that they'll make another one, someday.

@ianwestc

Жыл бұрын

Boy, did I ever hold out hope they would continue that series. That was one of my favorite movies. Unfortunately, incredibly expensive, and they didn't make a lot of money.

My favorite adaptation is Expanse. The series takes scattered and fragmented characters, glues them together into realistic people, and does it VERY well without losing what is important.

@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus

Жыл бұрын

I love the Expanse so much. Hate that it got cancelled in the end though, I would have really liked to see the last three books adapted. Also sucks that SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER Alex died because of what his actor did.

@BrokensoulRider

Жыл бұрын

@@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus The show wasn't canceled. Season 5 was meant to be the last one. They were contemplating continuing it with what we saw at the end, but they decided not to. It's up for something later on, because the MC's we got done following are no longer relevent from there on out, I believe.

@joannaholden943

Жыл бұрын

I went into the Expanse knowing nothing about the source material. I'm glad to hear it was a faithful adaptation. I loved it so much. 😊

Man, the hope I had for Rings of Power, only for it to cave in the way it did. Such a waste of potential. Makes me wonder what would have happened if the rights were given to some other studio.

The top of my personal worst adaptation list is Ella Enchanted. I had just read the book for school when the movie came out a little while later. I was _so excited_ because the book had been so fantastic. It is an absolutely _stellar_ retelling of the Cinderella story. You don't even realise what's happening until the night of the ball which is deep into the book. It's _such_ an _amazing_ plot twist. The movie was _none_ of that. It was modernised terribly. Instead of going to finishing school, the girls went to _community college._ It was absolutely terrible. And it was turned into a musical. I was _so angry_ that I still remember the movie which is an achievement due to the fact that I can't remember most of my life (dissociative amnesia). I also remember the Cirque du Freak movie being disappointing but it was made in the Twilight era, so I shouldn't be too surprised. I don't remember anything specific about it though. It was dull. On the flip side, the Holes movie is absolutely 100% one of the best adaptations I have _ever_ seen. A lot of conversations were taken directly from the book. I don't think anything from the book was skipped. It's just a chef's kiss of an adaptation.

@nerdywolverine8640

Жыл бұрын

🤝 on ella enchanted when i got to that point i looked at the title and went "oh i guess I should've seen this coming" lmao

@Erin-bu1ud

Жыл бұрын

Totally agreed on Ella Enchanted! I thought the movie totally flipped the story from the book inside out to try to create irrelevant political conflict and a clear villain when the story was never supposed to be about that; it was supposed to be a coming-of-age story. And they just totally butchered all the character development and made every single character so one-note. And the creators thought they were making so many good jokes that were just so cringey.

I would love to hear your thoughts on Lord of the Rings (the original Peter Jackson trilogy) as an adaptation because a lot was changed too but it is still loved by fans of the books and people who don't even know who Tolkin is Also for me the worst adaptation has to be that god awful Dragon ball movie

It's been so long since I watched your stuff, you've articulated once more what I love about something so much better than I could. Glad to be back and congrats on your wedding!

WORLD WAR Z. Literally the only thing the movie has in common with the source is the title and that there are undead creatures. Not even the same type of undead creatures.

I have waited for the Artemis Fowl movie since they announced it in the hardcover copy I got as a kid. Also, how do you managed to mess up a fantasy language and code made for 12 year olds!?

Petition for Tim to make a compelling and great story for Graham the wizard who likes cats. (Which contains why he like cats in the first place.)

Weirdly for me, I can't think off the top of my head of any particular adaptation I particularly hated, but there is a particular style of adaptation I hate. Movies like Seventh Son, Mortal Engines and Chaos Walking take interesting source material, cherry pick character's names and a handful of distinct elements, then cram them all into the exact same generic Hollywood plot that they use for everything. Then they act all shocked when these adaptions bomb, as if the exact same thing hasn't happened countless times before.

@dmgroberts5471

Жыл бұрын

Hollywood is terrified of taking any kind of "risk," to a degree that is self-defeating. The only good things coming out of Hollywood these days are the things that the executives don't consider important, because they had low budgets, or the things championed by proven directors who haven't vanished up their own asses yet.

@Nickachuuuuu

Жыл бұрын

And that's exactly why I didn't even bother watching the Chaos Walking movie. I love the book series, and I didn't feel that that movie would do anything good with it.

I'm really glad The Last of Us has been well received, because, while I do think it is the most faithful videogame adaptation I've ever seen, I still don't think it's as good as it COULD have been. There are details and themes that should have been conveyed better. Namely, the lack of infected, which undermines the hardship of their journey, and the stakes of needing a cure in the first place. The world just isn't as dire as it is in the game. And the relationship between Joel and Ellie, which doesn't get enough time because we're spending it with too many other characters. A good adaptation should understand the importance of these things. But at the same time, a good adaptation should convey its key message, and somehow, they pull it off. Viewers were able to respond to all the important beats exactly as intended, and appreciate TLOU the way it's supposed to be appreciated. That's a win. Favorite adaptation: Silent Hill Least favorite: Super Mario Bros. (1993)

@mariekeho

Жыл бұрын

I agree with the lack of infected bit, although I do appreciate that nearly always whenever infected show up in the series, something horrible happens, and we see just how strong they are. Obviously they couldn't add in the number of infected as in the game or you become desensitized as a viewer, but I would have loved to have seen Joel and Ellie having to sneak past infected and barely making it out or something.

Its important too to point out Joel is basically 10 years older than he is in the game. Things like in the show He has problem hearing while in the game he has Daredevil's ass power to know exactly where people are by hearing, and that he isn't as Proactive to violence anymore as he is in the game and he is now getting physically weaker due to his age is an interesting choice to make.

@jude60772

Жыл бұрын

not really though? joel in the show is 56 and in the game he's 51-52, so it's not that drastic of a difference. and his hearing issue in the show is, i'm pretty sure, not really a result of old age, but his failed suicide attempt.

@yunamchill9169

Жыл бұрын

​@@jude60772Of his what?? When was that???😮

@jude60772

Жыл бұрын

@@yunamchill9169 he tells ellie about it in episode 9, it was a little after sarah died

@yunamchill9169

Жыл бұрын

@@jude60772 Holy heck! No wonder I didn't know about it... I'm still at episode 5. But good to know, then I can prepare.

@Ashbrash1998

Жыл бұрын

It's the main thing between the game and the adaption. The game is just the player PLAYING as Joel, the gameplay is for the player and then the story. The adaption removes the player's active role in the story and makes it realistic. In real life, people get older, woundsscar and don't heal properly, having guns (or loud noises) go off several times will damage your ear drums.

Congratulations on your own ring based soul-binding! I hope it works out better for you than it did for Sauron...or Amazon...

A big and rare reason The last of Us was a successful adaptation is the director on the show also was the director of the game. Speaks to the power of people that understand the spirit of the material working alongside the adaptation

All hail the Dark Lord Future Me! Possessor of the One Ring, scourge of darkness, master of the creative arts

I started reading ASOIAF in the 5th season of GOT, and to me, game of thrones went from one of the best adaptations ever, to the absolute worse one there's.

i think the biggest thing i always got stuck on with the percy jackson adaptation wasnt their looks or the dumb jokes (though the character assassination of annabeth and grover sure stung), but rather how old they were. their age is, just as you say, a fundamental part of the story from which most of its themes stem from. the series being centred on "troubled kids" who cant trust adults, whove been left in the dust by their parents and teachers, really doesnt hold any water when the characters all look 20. that one change made it clear they didnt understand the point of the original story and why it was so beloved

Screenwriter here and I agree with every word you said. An adaptation should elevate and expand the story in ways that matter. Sure, you can add creative freedom to some elements, but some screenwriters/directors/producers like to change the stories so much to make it "their own" and it pisses me off because a good adaptation should serve the fan audience, not the makers' egos! I am just at the beginning of my journey as a screenwriter, but my passion is to write adaptations and write them well, and I hope I'll get many opportunities to do so in the future. Thank you for making this video!

I’m so happy for you, I’ve literally grown up watching your channel I go 18 in less than two months. From watching you breakdown the httyd classes to avatar, now studying film as an A level 😂 then going to uni for law. All hail the supreme leader 😂

Bill in the game and in the show are the same character but given their different fates they are the a display of the worst and the best joel could become, but the warning is not lost in the show, since we got to see pre frank bill in all his misantropic isolation and misery.

The adaption that pissed me off the most is League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, not only did that POS movie ruin an amazing comic but it also made classic literary characters boring af. I hate it with a passion

Worst Adaptation. Eragon by a landslide. Eragon as a book is pretty basic and simple. It was written by a 15 year old when he decided "What if Star Wars as medieval fantasy with Dragons." Even he admits it to be that, yet as a teenager I loved that book series. That super basic plot line was done so badly in Eragon live action, I can't fathom how they could have messed it this badly. Getting hard complicated stories wrong can happen. Getting something so simple and fun wrong? How?

Netflix’s The Wither is an utter failure that can never be repaired unless started from scratch

Congrats on your marriage, Dark Lord Hello Future Me!

Probably my favourite adaptation of a book series was Lockwood & Co, which was my all time favourite series as a teenager and earlier this year it got an adaptation on Netflix. The adaptation was just so accurate to a lot of things behind the main story events, like the *vibes* of the settings and the snappy dialogue which had to sometimes be converted from first-person narration. I was so happy with it as a fan of the books but just yesterday Netflix announced they’d cancelled it for some reason

When I think of how to make a good adaptation I always think about the highs and lows of adapting the stage into cinema, specifically musicals, and no other film is more successful at this than Chicago. The story is relatively unchanged but the visual experience is a completely different experience from the play. It’s in my opinion the perfect example of a director recognising that even if you’re adapting a visual medium into another visual medium, you can’t just phone it in and create the same aesthetic product. You need to understand the visual language of both mediums in order to know what to change for it to work without losing the original works identity.

Ah yes, I remember when Numenorean's were worried about Elves taking their jerbs.

@AggelosKyriou

Жыл бұрын

"They took his doooooooog"

Another good adaptation staring Bella Ramsey is the Netflix show Hilda. The show took what matter from the books and elevated it amazingly. And making your best episode an Appa's Lost Days emotional gut punch is a good but very painful addition to any show.

For me, book adaptation to movie always brings me back to the Divergent series. Where the first movie felt almost perfect of an adaptation of the book, keeping what was important and removing what wasn't. But then they do Insurgent and it is the complete opposite and everything is just wrong and thoughtless of every important concepts... An improbable match of greatness and failure

Outlander has been beautifully adapted. It's a lot of material, dense and full of events. They captured well what were the most important parts to the characters and the overall arc of the story. Can't wait for the next season.

Congratulations again, our Dark Lord Hello Future Me!

If we could get videos on some of the really bad adaptations and why they are so awful that would be so interesting

Amazon doesn't actually have the film rights to *The Silmarillion.* They're basing it entirely on the appendices.

What you said at the end about the Rings of Power - though I didn't watch that - bascicaly describes how I feel about the Witcher Show. A constant sense of "why the hell did you a) feel the need to change this in the first place? and b) change it in this particular way?"

I hope this means that Tim is going to release an analysis of Rings of Power in the same vein as his video on The Last Airbender.

@closeben

Жыл бұрын

I think it would make a lot of sense to wait for season 2 before he does this so he can really tear it down. 1 bad season will always have fans saying “it’s gonna get better!” but 2 bad seasons are hard to defend.

@samuellove9619

Жыл бұрын

I don't think so and kinda hope not. Tim has made it clear that he doesn't want to make that kind of content as he finds it exhausting and not as fulfilling as his other content. Additionally the avatar movie was a unique case in that he had such strong emotions tied to it due to the meaningfulness of the source material and the fact he saw it in cinemas on his birthday.

@Mordalon

Жыл бұрын

Rings of Power’s creators care about the source material even if they had to make changes. Avatar is nowhere close.

@ManSeekingMeaning

Жыл бұрын

@@Mordalon would actually flip that.

Ok last of us great show But but, I hate how whenever a video game adaptation that’d good comes out everyone is like “they finally did it right” no no we’ve been doing it right for years, and castlevania started it I jsut really like castlevania and that show deserves more credit, it’s one of the best shows in years, the first of the new generation of good video game adaptations and it’s not talked about enough Also just the hands down best fight choreography in damn near anything outside of rooster teeht

@matthewmuir8884

Жыл бұрын

Castlevania was indeed a good video game adaptation (except season 3). Arcane was also a fantastic video game adaptation and it released before The Last of Us.

@tristin5668

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I hated a lot of the media talking points of "The Last of Us finally got it right." I'm a huge TLOU fan, both games impacted me in ways it's hard for me to really put into words. This adaptation absolutely did get it right. But it isn't the first to do so. Arcane is one of my favorite shows of all time. Cyberpunk: Edgerunners blew me away. There are good video game adaptations out there and I hope they start getting more respect.

Max Payne was the "promised adoptaion". And it failed. It was one of the first adoptations

It's actually very simple...a "good" adaptation could stand alone in other media as if the source material didn't exist. The Bourne Identity had NOTHING in common with Robert Ludlum's books, it was more "inspired by" but that's my point, it's technically an adaptation because they use the same names. Or the Lion King and Hamlet. "Bad" adaptation rely on the viewers prior knowledge of the source material to cash in. It's lazy, and almost criminal (but the market punishes bad adaptations like the rings of power). The one weakness of our current handling of adaptations is that a bad adaptation spoils people's opinion of that franchise and makes it unlikely for a better one to be made. There will never be a better Eragon movie. For that you can blame copyright laws and for that you can blame Disney.

why did Twilight and Fifty shades of gray get loyal adaptations but not Percy Jackson?

@matthewmuir8884

Жыл бұрын

I don't know anything about Twilight and I only know of fifty shades because of Folding Ideas' videos about the movies, but Folding Ideas' videos about Fifty Shades provides an answer: the books were well-understood by the movie studio as a fad and that the success of the movies would live or die by the approval of the author and the fanbase, the author of the books is heavily connected to the movie and TV industries, and the author was impossible to work with and threatened that she would make the fans boycott the movies if she didn't have absolute creative control.

@koreankamui98

Жыл бұрын

Because fuck us PJ fans. That’s why.

@ambuknight

Жыл бұрын

Hmmmmm guess they where more simple LoL

One example I personally loved was the shadowhunters netflix series, as a fan I know the books are not good, the bar was very low and I expected it to get lower, but the series surpassed the books in every possible way to the point were a character I hated in the books because of how meaningless he was to the story became my fsvorite character on the series, truly one of the best examples of good adaptations

@firesandflowers

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! Shadowhunters is always the one example I like to point to of a TV show adaption I like better than the books! I think the TV series suffered just slightly from "meh" writing at times (which can probably be traced back to doing the best they could with the source material), but the casting was *phenomenal* (especially Harry Shum Jr & Matthew Daddario), the costumes and set design was glorious, and the music had me hooked from the intro. Ruelle and Shadowhunters is a match match in heaven... that scene with War of Hearts playing in the background will live forever in my mind rent free. 💜

@momo7989

Жыл бұрын

Yup.

Congrats on getting married! It was the best thing I ever did man. My partner and I are no longer married, but we are still co-hosting this channel and we will always be inseparable. Soulmates happen, it is a very real phenomenon. May you have a similarly unbreakable relationship. 👊🎉

I love the point you made about being able to share stories with someone who might not have experienced it otherwise. I was so happy to watch TLOU with my wife who's not a huge gamer so that she can experience a story that I've replayed countless times.

I suspect at least part of the reason to tone down Joel's violence was the new medium. In action games, players are kind of accustomed to lots of violence from the protagonist, sometimes even to the point where it detracts from the character or story (looking at you, Tomb Raider). I think an equally violent show-Joel would have risked alienating some of the audience, especially because there is already a greater disctance between an audience that passively watches a show, and one that is actively playing the game and putting themselves in a characters shoes.

I DESPARATELY want you to cover one of my favourite stories ever - Mushoku Tensei. I'm interested in your thoughts on it. Because just like Joel, here, has problems with controling his violent outbreaks, the MC of that story also has some problems with self control, and it's really interesting to see him grow into a better person. (oh also the worldbuilding is good)

His southern-New York Italian mobster from the 30s accent when he was reading Billy’s letter sent me

A good adaptation changes very little of the source material. And what does get changed is the director's personal touch. Everything that was great about the witcher series was when it was actually the world of the witcher and the actor that loves the games enough to play Gerald like he sees Gerald, like the fans see Gerald. When a customer asks for an apple pie, you give them an apple pie, it doesn't matter what you do to the batter, the crust, what type of apple you use so long as it is a tasty apple pie. And the problem with most adaptations is that they either didn't know how to make an apple pie or they didn't want to use apples.

The Rings of Power hurts so much because it had every opportunity to be amazing, and the opportunity was wasted. They had all the money, an inspiring intellectual property, and a deep talent pool. That's why it hurts so much.

There's one inherent problem with adaptations that I think is important to mention: they present a story in a format other than the one the story was originally devised and conceived for. If a writer chooses to write a novel instead of a screenplay - or the other way round - then that choice will influence the work in profound ways. They probably would have done many things very differently, had they chosen the other format to begin with. They might even have chosen a format specifically for the things they can do in that format, which they can't do in other formats. Consequently, adapting the story - i.e. changing the format - will necessarily loose some elements specific to the original format, that can't be translated. At the same time, the addition of new stuff specifically for the new format, that wasn't present in the original, typically is not well received - and therefore rather something to be avoided. As a result, the adapted work has to always be "less" than the original. Something is lost - nothing gets added. The reason some works - like for example "The Last of Us" - work better in adaptation, is down to the original work not making much use of the original formats specific elements - the things which can't be translated. The unique aspects of video games are interactivity, player choice and dynamism/simulation-ism. Games that tell a linear story (which the player has no real influence over), mostly with cut-scenes, are pretty much designed and created to be as "cinematic" (i.e. movie-like) as they can make it, without it no longer being a game at all. And that means, those can be adapted/translated to film with minimal loss. What I'm trying to say is, that some source material is inherently better suited for adaptations than others.

i remember watching you years ago while i was still a child, it brings me genuine happiness to see you're still going and the fact that you're life seems to be going better than it was last time i checked in

If you had asked me a couple of years earlier, hell last year still, I would have said that the worst adaptation was _Game of Thrones_ because the series started to make really poor choices in terms of dialogue, character developement, characters getting to survive things that would've get them kill in earlier seasons/books and, the least said about the final couple of seasons, the better. However, the worst adaptation is going to be _The Rings of Powers_ because it is so clearly it never was about Tolkiens work, not even as an tangential inspiration, they had a story and force it onto the LOTR ip. No one with enough decision power cared the in the slightiest to make a LOTR story, they just wanted to have an easy maketing and a captive audience.

One of my favorite adaptations is the His Dark Materials hbo adaptation. It sticks very close to the books and only shift and change very little things and honest it feels like an exact copy but not in a bad way. If you didn't have the time/energy to read the books, watching the show would deliver nearly the same ideas themes and emotions. Very good adaptation

@momo7989

Жыл бұрын

It's really good

@francesmonson3747

Жыл бұрын

I kinda forgot about that one. I'll have to look it up, I've had those books since my early teens.

My opinion of the worst adaptation is Lucifer. A few of the character names are taken from the comics, but nothing else is kept. Oddly, if I release my expectation that it be anything like the source, it’s a good (though silly) show. I quite liked it. RE: recreating a scene - I’m reminded of stories that Brandon Lee carried a copy of The Crow with him on set, and kept insisting that things be framed the same, etc. So, flipping all of this, I’m curious about your thoughts on more drastic shifts, usually in older stuff. For example, setting Romeo and Juliette in the 90’s, or the various “Batman, but set in Victorian Britain” type comic adaptations. I guess the worst version of this would be 50 Shades of Grey. Arguably, Lucifer is also an a ample of the bad way.

@Elora445

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I haven't read the comics, but as far as I have understood it, practically nothing except for the names were kept from the comics. Tom Ellis does make a great Lucifer in general, but I'm not so sure if he's anything like the Lucifer from the comics. As far as I have understood it, 50 Shades of Grey were actually pretty faithful to the books. Not completely, but enough.

The last of us theme just feels like it's trying (and succeeding) to be the metro 2033 theme

I don't have a worst adaption, but Stardust is still my favorite.

I'm still not over BBC America's botched 2021 adaptation, _The Watch_ . Couldn't even get through more than three episodes. I think it was made with actual, conscious contempt for the source material. But I can also recall the 2000 miniseries adaptation of _Frank Herbert's Dune_ , and how excellent it was _because_ of its changes.

I mean there are multiple Adaptions on my mind because you put them on the thumbnail, but... I am currently trying to convince my friends to read (or listening the audiobook) from Percy Jackson just so I have someone I can rant with about the movies and desperatly hope with that the Disney show is going to be good. I also am meeting with a friend on friday, where we will try to figure out which stupid movie we should watch while heavily drinking... I recently found out that Netflix had a movie that had the word _Avatar_ in it's title, you figure out what we are going to watch. I actually started reading Artemis Fowl because I heard that a good adaptation was on it's way _(what a fool I have been)_ so I can't hate the movie on that level, I feel more like a disappointed parent would feel. Also I always loved some villainous traits and the smart characters were often my favorites so Artemis grew quickly on me, so I will still say the movie was shit. Love the painting in the backround by the way

Tim, congrats on your wedding and honeymoon! I didnt know you have a dog, it was a sweet treat when they were walking behind you lol too cute! The love you have for your cat is palpable thru the screen and so refreshingly relatable! Oh yeah, great vid as well lol but that goes without saying! Your reviews and discussions on all things are fantastic and one of my favorite channels on YT! Now, will you PLEASE make that 3 hour vid about LOTR ROP asap!?? We need it, I need your intelligent breakdown to skillfully dissect that show for me, please!!!

My favorite adaptation is also one of the least faithful: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. There are significant changes to the characters, story, setting and world-building, but it captures the tone and style of the series in a way that I loved. Douglas Adams was my favorite author growing up, and aside from campy charm, his stories have had some pretty awful adaptations. Also, if you want to know what it's like to adapt gameplay directly to the screen, you should watch Fate/Grand Order Absolute Demonic Front: Babylonia, because they left in all the dialog, even explanations of crafting, doing fetch quests and staying at an inn. And spoilers, it doesn't work.