You've almost completely omitted mention of the huge local community campaign to save the railway line. This was probably the single most important thing that contributed to its retention.

@michaelpoynter7165

Жыл бұрын

yeh he mentioned it!

I reckon they should reactivate the section of the Upfield line north of upfield to Roxburgh Park. And then duplicate it for the remainder of its length from Gowrie. This would allow for some Craigieburn services to run along the Upfield line and other Craigieburn services to run express on the current route between Broadmeadows and North Melbourne, allowing for quick trips into the City. And it also leaves enough capacity for trains operating a new service stopping all stations to Broadmeadow. In addition, if the existing route via Broadmeadow had to be closed due to an incident or trackwork, or even delays than they can just be rerouted via the upfield line.

Travelled the Upfield line for many years. I can remember when Fawkner was the terminus and the AEC railmotor went to Campbellfield. Sort of dates me, but I'm happy to see there is a future for the line. With the amount of infrastructure now built it's future is certain and hopefully it will have an expanded role in the system. Good video.

@garynewton1263

Жыл бұрын

Railmotor went to Somerton & a DERM wrnt to Whittlesea.

Thanks for this, I grew up on the Upfield Line @ Fawkner, in the 6-70's, sometimes 6 days a week, plus No19 Tram. Glad to hear were finally possibly going to expand our outer suburban routes. Now in Lilydale and astounded they aint gunna extend (back like it once was) to Yarra Glenn and Healesville, now there effectively outer suburbs too. Have subscribed, thanks for the work.

@chasindigo

Жыл бұрын

It will eventually, just need more capacity in the city loop first, it is the same as beyond Cranbourne and Frankston to Stony Point.

@markspinello5015

Жыл бұрын

Might be extended to Coldstream in the short-term...

Thankfully it didn’t happen because the Upfield line is one of my favourite as it’s really cool with the new stations like Moreland and Coburg

Leave Melbourne's train lines alone. State Governments, take heed. Melbourne is growing, you need to extend these lines, not close them. Whittlesea, Healesville, Melton, Clyde & Mornington!!!!

Nice video, I’m glad to see the upfield line is still train services. 😅Anyways good job man, keep up the good work and hope to see more vids soon.

great work, Upfield will become an important corridor soon as vline services could move off the congested essendon route and go via coburg.

@Alexander_Dunn

Жыл бұрын

also, are you sure that 1364 people can fit into an Xtrap? that's like, 230 per carriage?

@MetroManMelbourne

Жыл бұрын

@@Alexander_Dunn that’s crush load capacity.

@Alexander_Dunn

Жыл бұрын

@@MetroManMelbourne ah right.

Great job in the video lived in the area as a teenager used the upfield line all the time

Oh wow, didn't realise that the upfield line has had a battle for survival! I'm glad it didn't happen! Thanks for info!!

Nice video mate. Thanks for an informative video as always. Never knew there was plans to make the Upfield line light rail. It doesn't seem like a good idea to make it as A light rail line.

@genwilbolandres980

Жыл бұрын

We’d know now how terrible it would’ve been, upfield line is one of the busiest

Thanks for this video. It's filled in a lot of my missing knowledge about the Upfield line.

The main impetus for converting Upfield to light rail was cost saving because of a perceived duplication of services. On the face of it, there was a parallel train and tram line, so an obvious compromise was light rail, and that may have worked if the suburbs were of a different character. However, the tram and train served different purposes. The tram line was one of the busiest in Melbourne, and operated at very high frequencies - in the 1970s it had a 4 minute service during the day and a 30 second service at the height of the peaks. it provided a fast direct journey along Royal Pde, but was slow in congested Sydney Rd, however it provided an excellent local service. The train provided a fast journey to the City, albeit via a roundabout route through North Melb, but that also provided services to areas and connections to other trains that the tram didn't. So although at first glance it may seem like a waste of resources having both a tram and train, and therefore a logical choice for a light rail rationalisation, the fact is that it was more efficient to retain both tram and train. Ultimately comon sense prevailed, but that victory was in spite of the various governments and not because of them.

Born and raised in Brunswick in the 70s with the Upfield line being a very important part of my life. Though I'm very glad that the train line was/is retained and the plans to extend the line to Wallan (AND DUPLICATE THE LINE TO UPFIELD) (rant over😁), I however also wonder if light rail was instigated that dual track have been laid to Gowrie and then not long after that a right turn been made with the light rail terminating at the Campbellfield Shopping Centre. Upfield would have been serviced by a shuttle bus from Campbellfield Shopping Centre - most travel past Gowrie back at that time would of been the workers at the Ford Factory

I grew up in upfield. Getting home from the city at night or on a Sunday was pretty annoying until they increased timetables to match that of other lines. I remember the proposal to convert the line to light rail, imagine that happened, with the current density of the suburbs on that corridor. And the level crossing impacts with the frequency of light rail.

Very interesting video glad to know more about the upfield line

The Cranbourne line needs to be extended, the residents of Clyde and Clyde North are crying out for it, and the track reservation is still in place when it was the line that was once the to Gippsland.

Hi there, thanks for another great video! I have a question for everyone else, would the opening of a tram line through the corridor of the old Inner and maybe even Outer Circle line might work? It'd probably work even better once they got the Metro Tunnel 2 that may bypass Rushall.

@Simcitywok

Жыл бұрын

East Camberwell to Fairfield is not a heavily travelled region (Outer Circle section not served by train). It’s more socially acceptable for rail trails for walking - they’ll stay that way I’m sure

Would be nice if the Upfeild line connects to the Glen Waverley line in future with the city loop reconfiguration

@74_pelicans

Жыл бұрын

Would require a bit of change as Glen Waverley is operated by the north group, and upfield the south group

I use the Upfield line a fair bit (I live in the country, but my grandfather lives in Coburg so we stay nearby). I also think Gaffney Street needs to be removed (Batman Station). Maybe extend the removal as far as Fawkner station. Cross Boundary Road on Skyrail and then lower the line afterwards

@MetroManMelbourne

Жыл бұрын

It would be great to extend the skyrail north, I reckon it will happen but not for a decade or so. Would be rather interesting to have a 10km+ skyrail!

@fordfan1au

Жыл бұрын

A number of crossings in Brunswick south of Moreland have been scheduled for removal - IIRC this means Coburg to Royal Park is set for Sky Rail

Great stuff Metro Man

I just can't imagine trams on the Upfield line haha. So many tramway crossings lol. Ps what about a part 2 to the forgotten tram lines video?

Dont forget that the Upfield will have x'trapolis 2.0 as well

It would be amazing to see the Upfield and Craigieburn Lines join the Burnley Group, and Sandringham could go along the Clifton Hill services, so the whole city has an end to end connection with each other, but that totally won't happen lol

I guess the new low floored tram there was technically possibly also an early concept for what the B class trams could of been but instead the B class trams ended up as a double length articulated version of the existing A class trams! It would of been really cool if they chose that light rail vehicle design to also be the design of the new B class trams at the time! :)

@hifivaliant8937

11 ай бұрын

B class trams originally had steps that folded down to road level and stayed up for stopping at a railway station. Perhaps it was just a prototype? look up B 2000 and B 2001. During testing they ran on 75 East Burwood line and were designed with folding steps for running on Port Melbourne and St. Kilda light rail. But the government decided to abandon the use of the platforms at the stations on these train lines and instead build ground level platforms. So the B Class was built as articulated A class. Comeng had a design for low floor trams back in 1988 but the Vic government did not commission the building of these trams... and due to anti-Australian built policy of the Victorian government we now have craptastic totally un-melbourne, poorly riding french and german trams which are not suited to Melbourne at all.

@Techno-Universal

11 ай бұрын

@@hifivaliant8937 Those C and D class trams are also budget tram models from their manufacturers with some customisations for our network! :)

and i really need one tram line in broadmeadows have juctions of 3 line to the station to jacana and then in a few uears make the glenroy line then i will be entertained just put a line in the shoping centre AND YES sometimes people work for the goverment can note this im not really sure about that

That was awesome 👌

because there is too much bus stops and like hoppers crossings its busy

Very Nice!

WOOOO UPFIELD LINE

Yet another great video. I hope your vision comes to pass. Ian Nosworthy

Okay but did anyone else spot the West Coast Railway loco? What's it doing moving city trains in Melbourne, shouldn't it be down on the Warrnambool line?

@MetroManMelbourne

Жыл бұрын

Got chartered to do some hitachi scrap transfers in the early 2000s. Couldn’t find any pics of the 1990s upfield transfers so I figured this was close enough.

Why is the field up

@DaleDix

Жыл бұрын

Because it's up. If it were down maybe it would be called downfield? If it were only half way up maybe it would be called halfwayfield?

@prypxl

Жыл бұрын

However, it’s still possible for suburbs to have a down in there name if they are in the up northern part of the state.

i love upfield

fawkner cemetery funeral tram when???

@joelpackett7582

Жыл бұрын

coffin tram ⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️

@viathealtonaloop

Жыл бұрын

🔥

Upfield line was saved by the Kennett government. Labor were behind the St. Kilda and Port Melbourne train line closures.

@MetroManMelbourne

Жыл бұрын

Probably the one good thing the Kennett government did for public transport.

@rememberingthefuture9500

Жыл бұрын

The Liberals wanted to close St Kilda and Port Melb altogether. Labor 'saved' them by converting to tram. Like almost every government project, the conversion could have been done better, but nonetheless it has been successful, the trams carry more people than the trains. The Kennett government saved the Upfield line from themselves - the conversion to light rail had already been dropped by Labor and they were going to retain it as a train line. When Kennett got into power he wanted to close it, then changed his mind.

@Bobman84

Жыл бұрын

@@rememberingthefuture9500 Labor was in government for 5 years before the St. Kilda and Port Melbourne lines were converted, so there are arguments for and against it, but it does seemed to have worked by connecting other tram lines together. As far as changing mind goes, that was a good decision to save the Upfield line - despite being so close to the Epping (at the time) line.

Curious where did you get the map from the Future section of the video?

@MetroManMelbourne

Жыл бұрын

PTV network development plan 2013 stage 4. I have the 2018 one as well but it’s lower quality.

the lonie report promoted car use

@electro_sykes

Жыл бұрын

and also the kennett government

first 🤓

@AheadMatthewawsome

Жыл бұрын

^ Fact.

@joelpackett7582

Жыл бұрын

🤓

@griffinrails

Жыл бұрын

👽👽👽

@Aussie_Hset

Жыл бұрын

🤓

upfield man melbourne

Just leave the trains alone,like it used to be.

Trams by Metro Man Melbourne

Route 75

based tram idea (this message was approved by the liberal party)

Downfield