Several viewers are questioning the claim of "most successful race car in history." Part of the point, actually, was to spark a discussion, as that sort of discussion makes history fun. Realize, though, that the Boyle Special was a single car- not a car model, but just one car. What single race car had a better record?

@stevemoore12

3 жыл бұрын

I think in more modern terms it would be phrased as which specific Chassis was most successful. All top level forms of motorsport are in constant development and it would be rare for a specific racecar to be identical from one race to another, nevermind one Year to another.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevemoore12 But that is what makes the Boyle Special so special. Yes, it is "rare," that was the point.

@AuroraAtAngelsTen

3 жыл бұрын

I think a good historical candidate would be the chassis 1075 Gulf GT40, which won Le Mans two consecutive times, I think the first in history to do so, and as a privateer team no less. A good pair of cars with a single season (and a half?) of nearly complete dominance would be the Toyota Eagle MkIII which effectively ended the IMSA GTO era.

@Cbabilon675

3 жыл бұрын

What was the most successful racing aircraft ever?

@andrewrollason4963

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevemoore12 1984 Brock/Perkins VK Commodore. The car won the Sandown 500 and then had nothing done to it. It then won the Bathurst 1000. 2 races. 2 wins. 100% Record. You can't improve on perfect.

"Killing of the leader of the Ice Cream Truck Union" is a sentence I would have never thought I'd hear.

Brock Yates is my grandfather! So cool to hear you mention him! Thanks for the great video

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

3 жыл бұрын

Very cool!

@_badsine_

3 жыл бұрын

NO SHIT really? One of my idols right there

@donolbers9446

3 жыл бұрын

Brock rates right up there with Chris Economaki as a motorsports journalist, and that puts him second to none.

@61rampy65

2 жыл бұрын

Cool! Brock was one of my favorite writers, along with David E Davis, Jr. I have read Car and Driver since 1961, before Brock joined, and that magazine has gone downhill since he left.

@daveblock4061

Жыл бұрын

CANNONBALL!

These pardons always seem to be a dirty affair. That would be a great video, a general overview on the history of pardons.

For those questioning the "most successful car in racing history" claim, it is about that one car, not the car type. That one car finished first, first, broke a hub while in first, sat in a garage for 5 years, came back and finished third, third, and fourth. That is quite a record for a car that was 9 years old by the time of that last race. It also had the distinction of being the car that legend Bill Vukovich used to pass his rookie test in 1950.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

3 жыл бұрын

The Boyle Special actually continued to race in the Indy 500 until 1953.

@projoebiochem

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel Thank you. Most other stories about the car stop after mentioning it's connection to Vuky. After the 1928 Louis Meyer Miller, the Shaw A-R may be the most artistically beautiful race car in the Speedway Museum. Speaking of Miller, there would be someone that might be worthy of a future episode.

I love the historical information you present which, unlike some others I see on KZread, is easily fact-checked and well-thought-out. Thank you.

The Boyle Special survives. It’s in the IMS museum in Indianapolis.

@The52car

3 жыл бұрын

A couple of them survive. AND the transport truck. As does their old shop at 17th and Gent Ave on the west side of Indianapolis.

@kevinvilmont6061

3 жыл бұрын

Cool

@scottbronnenberg3414

3 жыл бұрын

I sat in that car when it was at the Children's Museum @1980.

@K2mtp

3 жыл бұрын

I am the electrician doing the boyle racing remodel. It will be the guggman house brewery and a little museum the will display the cars.

@ronaldharris6569

3 жыл бұрын

@@K2mtp are you going to give a video tour for us home bound keyboard car guys

As a bit of a motorsports history nerd with a genuine love for 30s-60s racing... thanks for covering one of these stories. There are so many.

Wow he literally shut down the city! That's pretty crazy! Thanks for the episode, them old race cars were wild.

The 500 is like a historical marker for me. I have marked many things that pass in my life and in history by the race, and have many great memories from there with my friends and family. I don't think there is another place where the future and the past are so closely melded to each other. You concentrate on the future and who's going to win, but you have all the obscure history flowing in tidbits at the same time. My friends enjoyed debauchery in our youth there, I took my wife with my unborn daughter there later in life, and the trip I took with my best friend and my now deceased brother was one he never stopped talking about until he died. I drink from the 1995 shot glass every year to celebrate the life of my best pal's girlfriend that went with us one year, bought me that shot glass,and died the same year. The track is like a time ghost. No telling how many ashes of human beings are sprinkled there.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

3 жыл бұрын

It has been a great privilege working with the god people at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Museum. IMSmuseum.org

@johnclerk1195

3 жыл бұрын

Me too, @Alec f1. 2020 would have been my 50th in a row, but hopefully 2021 will be my 50th. I'm starting to think The History Guy is a racing fan. lol

@johnclerk1195

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel They are great people! They all are.

Superb episode... I had no idea hi influence at Indianapolis. It's a shame media never made his team's dominance comparison with Roger Penske's.

@jessallen7756

3 жыл бұрын

Because Boyles team won Indy 3 times and there have been a few other teams that have won Indy that many times....Penske has won Indy 17 times...

I love this stuff- That era of motorsports is fascinating, and only gets more so, when you mix in an old-timey Chicago mobster.

I am 3 minutes into the video and it sounds like you are describing the political field that is currently in Illinois

We have come a long way. Btw it's becoming a thing to get your vids in the morning and I watch these vids while I have coffee... your becoming very important in my life. Where were you when I was in school? This is good stuff. Thank you 🤙🤙

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

3 жыл бұрын

My guess is that I was also in school...

@Nashcaster

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel shame, cause i like history and school made sure it sucked. I'm glad We got you now!

I've seen this car, at the 2019 Hoosier 100 at the Indy Fairgrounds. Beautiful machine. I didn't know there was such a colorful history behind its owner.

I have been an Indy 500 fan since I was 7 years old and read a lot of books on its history. I lived in Speedway, IN for 5 years while I was going to college, about 6 blocks from the track. I have been through the museum more times than I can count. And I currently have the Indianapolis Motor Speedway website open on another tab in my browser. But I never knew the Boyle Special was backed by a mobster. History Guy is always able to uncover a detail hidden in the folds of time.

Another great short snippet of history. Thanks THG

I lived about 2 miles away from the track when I lived in Indy. I LIVED for the month of May being able to hear the scream of the engines for time trials or Carb Day. I loved being able to walk through the Track's Museum and look at all of the horsepower and sometimes sheer luck being displayed. Even if you are not a fan of motorsports, going to the Museum at the Track is a must. It is great stroll through American History and I highly recommend it.

@grecco_buckliano

3 жыл бұрын

Hi! My name is Pickle Punkin, and I AGREE!

@roydrink

3 жыл бұрын

The museum had limited visitor attractions this last year, but still an impressive experience.

@andrewrollason4963

3 жыл бұрын

"I lived about 2 miles away from the track when I lived in Indy.: Did you? Or did you actually live in Speedway?

@corkycobon1481

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewrollason4963 No. I lived at Washington and Lynhurst originally and then moved to Rockville and Lynhurst. Like I stated previously, I lived a couple miles from the track.

If we are talking race cars, as a side note, RIP Sabine Schmitz (1969-2021) She is now at the great track day in the sky (No, not Pike's Peak) and breaking God's own lap records.... IN A VAN!!!!

@ExcalibursEdge

3 жыл бұрын

It is very dangerous to mock God!!

@mercator79

3 жыл бұрын

The Ring is just a little bit less happy without Sabine. RIP

@malcolmyoung7866

3 жыл бұрын

@@ExcalibursEdge I think God wouldn't mind allowing Sabine to break His records... He can handle it...

@brandonlink6568

3 жыл бұрын

Oh no, I read recently that she had cancer but I missed news of her passing, she was amazing

@pappy451

3 жыл бұрын

if she died , she's worm food . there is no " afterlife "

Donald Davidson The Extraordinary. Cannot be overstated. I love the podcasts around the Indy races. Extraordinary.The History Guy, Extraordinary.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

3 жыл бұрын

I got to spend a few hours with him on the phone. What an amazing memory he has. A true gentleman and scholar.

@vansongs

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel Hours!?! Okay officially jealous. I live on Vancouver Island Canada and feel as I know him.

Thank you for such fantastic content!!!!! One of my favorite channels on KZread!!!!! Your history stories are told so well its like I was there!!!!

I love gear history - all your videos are great -thank you for preserving history

Great video brother thank you for what you do your knowledge and expertise

What a great episode thank you so much.

It's always awesome to hear unique stories about racing!

Corruption still exists there. To quote a movie "That's the Chicago way"

@raydunakin

3 жыл бұрын

Chicago is and apparently always has been such a cesspool of corruption. How did Chicago get so corrupt and why has it been allowed to go on for so long? That might make a good topic for a History Guy video.

@notyou6950

3 жыл бұрын

Must be something in the water...

@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki

3 жыл бұрын

@@notyou6950 the question in political science always is "does the culture create the attitude, or does the attitude create the culture??"

@jliller

3 жыл бұрын

New York City has a long history of corruption as well. In the 19th century, before Civil Service Reform, the Spoils System and Machine Politics were the norm. Those cities were built on corruption that was never really eradicated. Then the mob came along, especially during Prohibition.

@nonparticipant4671

3 жыл бұрын

I was a union electrical contractor in Chicago for 20 years. Over thousands of jobs, I saw corruption exactly ONCE. As a first year apprentice, I witnessed an inspector accept $20 from my contractor. It was very awkward, I could tell the inspector did not really want any part of it. The contractor presented it as a "Christmas present." I would like to know how EXACTLY these people know about all the corruption, because I saw the exact opposite.

My favourite pastime and favourite historian in one episode. Can't beat that. Thanks for this episode about a great race car and an interesting footnote in the history off racing.

i love your channel man !!! the best of youtube !!!!!!!!!!

Chicago and my hometown share a unique history, since it sits approx. halfway between Chitown and Indianapolis and was often a waypoint between the two for certain folks (mobsters). I've been to the track several times, and marvel at the history. Thank you for highlighting a place that was a critical part of my upbringing.

I've followed the history of the Indy 500 for decades, and I did not know the story about Boyle. Thanks.

Interesting episode. Great as usual. Thanks.

Randy Lanier says hold my weed...

As a youngster I was fascinated by the Wilbur Shaw story and especially the Maserati race car. I remember it as the Boyle car but I don’t remember reading anything about the owner’s controversial background. Thanks THG!

Indy is an awesome place to visit. The sense of history is palpable everywhere around the facility.

Excellent video young sir

As a race fan and particularly Indy I appreciate this video and the information given. Thanks

Illinois never changed

@phillipstoltzfus3014

3 жыл бұрын

Thats for damn sure. Did you see what's going on with their schools? It's insane the shit they are gonna force on kids.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

3 жыл бұрын

I am actually an Illinois resident, and, yeah, the political culture seems not to have changed all that much since the days of Umbrella Mike.

@seathrunmagaoinghous4119

3 жыл бұрын

So glad we moved. Lance we were close to you. South side of Cahokia by Dupo. Love all your vids on Missouri and Illinois history.

I love your channel and your way of presenting any topic in an interesting light, you could probably make watching grass grow interesting. I have to have to say, I miss your old intro.

I think the most interesting car at Indy was the 1952 cummins diesel special car. Although it got pole position, during the race it overheated at lap 71 because it was the first turbo charged diesel ever made and they installed it low and behind the grill, which caused the rubber & grime from the track to clog it up. They never put another one on the track after that, but cummins became a household name because of it. It beat the 2nd place in the poles by almost 4mph @ 138mph. pretty interesting story, and the car is awesome to look at in the indy 500 museum.

Brock Yates is history that needs to be remembered

@dannyjones3840

3 жыл бұрын

I think he already did 2 episodes on the players surrounding the Brickyard

@jamesedington7903

3 жыл бұрын

@@dannyjones3840 just google him

Awesome story! Love it

Great story. Thanks history guy

They must of made sturdier umbrellas back then because I can't think of a single umbrella that I've owned that could of held money of substantial number, much less full and closed. ;-)

@johnstreet819

3 жыл бұрын

they weren't made in China then

Another excellent presentation. I believe you pronounced ALFA "romero". Of course it is, "Romeo". It's a slice of history... ...that deserves to be remembered. Please caery on with your wonderful work.

I never knew this HG, thanks for enlightening me. If they would have run this race in Chicago, it would have been called the "Pothole 500".

@lizj5740

3 жыл бұрын

I remember to this day how the quality of the road surface deteriorated as I entered Illinois when driving a Ryder Rental truck from California to Connecticut in 1978. Ah, corrupt politicians, I thought then...and still do.

Another great video by THG

Amazing story. Thanks.

"Alfa Romero" OK, THG is not a car guy. I'll get over it.

@jdinhuntsvilleal4514

3 жыл бұрын

LOL. I caught that, too, but then I'm an ALFA owner. THG, just remember: Alfa Romeo - CESAR Romero.

Very well done! I take in as many of these bits of history as I can when I can. This is a interesting story about a race car. Have you done a story about"Broadway Freddy"? He was a NHRA funnycar owner/driver starting in the late 60s. He also was a member of the Gambino crime family. Interesting story! Please keep up the great work!!!

Excellent and interesting Indy snippet! Would love a snippet on the old Formula 1 races and the history behind races like Monte Carlo or Nurburgring...

Mr. History Guy, if you have interest in a story about a racing fan of the Indy 500 who became known as “Mr. First in Line”, check out Lawrence “Larry” Bisceglia. He was the first spectator in line to enter the Speedway for the month of May for some 30 years or more. I don’t want to give it all away but he became so popular he hobnobbed with all the greats of the 500 and in the 60’s Ford gave him a new van/motorhome conversion as a PR move! No other spectator had a sponsor! Oh, and do Brock Yates as well. He sadly passed from Alzheimer’s but his son Brock Jr. carries his legacy forward. PS: Props to a fellow St. Louisan, I’m a Chesterfield son living in Kansas since 2002.

The leader of the Ice Cream Truckers Union! One of the many reasons I come here.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

3 жыл бұрын

You wouldn't have thought they'd be the sort of union that would involve gunplay.

@theoutlook55

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel I guess it gives a double entendre to the flavor Rocky Road.

@mikeklein5184

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel Maybe they were more involved in cone play.

@sarkybugger5009

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel Don't kid yourself. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_Ice_Cream_Wars

@orbyfan

3 жыл бұрын

"When it comes to speed, man, I'm just out of luck. I'm even shut down by the ice cream truck." --The Beach Boys, "No-Go Showboat" (1963)

I was aware of Wilbur Shaw and his impact on the Indianapolis raceway. I'd never heard the history of his car. Hope to see more racing history videos in May during Indy Qualifying. Thank you.

Nice new opening graphics!

thank you

I am the electrician doing the boyle racing shop renovation. It will be a brewery and a small museum displaying the car. THG always comes through with great content.

Great historical review of the origins of the all-time most popular Monopoly game piece 😎👍

ill gotten money? Sounds like piracy. All good stories involve pirates.😉

@cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647

3 жыл бұрын

Privateers = protected pirates

Very well told Mr HG. Crooks all of 'em.

The Boyle Garage has been rebuilt and is the Guggman microbrewery where they serve wonderful locally brewed beer and food. They also have the replica car and the original car hauler on display there. If one is visiting the Speedway a visit to Boyle Garage is a must as it's only a few blocks east just off 16th St.

I am a big motorsports fan and knew about the car, but not the story behind it, thank you!

Does anyone knows if he makes these intros? I love how there’s a different one every video.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

3 жыл бұрын

I use a program called Viddyoze. I do recommend it (and no, they don't pay me to do that.) It is drop and drag simple and has hundreds of templates. But it does require a subscription.

@DAdamTrammell

3 жыл бұрын

How awesome is it to get a reply from The History Guy? He responded to me a while back when I asked almost the exact same question. Great channel, great stories, great guy.

@mikestarr5160

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel ah that’s for the response! I do video editing and been interested in these for awhile now so thanks a lot! Will 100% look into it! Keep up the great content!

@mikestarr5160

3 жыл бұрын

@@DAdamTrammell it’s always awesome to see creators respond to there community. Hun and his wife have been doing great work and they seem like genuine people all around.

Wow... That's pretty wild!

Bravo, more, more

Those old 6c & 8c cars of maserati were great. Fangio drove one and won with it several times.

Love these stories. :)

Awesome

I recognize some of these names from the Indianapolis 500 video, that's quite great.

If you were a fan of early racing, in other areas not just Indianapolis. You may want to look at the history of Long Island Vanderbilt motor Parkway. It was originally built as a private race track for the Vanderbilts. The path of it still exist today as motor Parkway. We are commuters use it to go to work each day.

As usual, very well done. Just two minor points. 1) The car manufacturer mentioned at 8:08 is "Alfa ROMEO", not "Alfa Romero" and 2) The Maserti 8 CTF had, as you mentioned a couple of times, an 8-cylinder engine. However, at 9:52 in discussing the Maserati which had a damaged engine due to the coolant freezing, you say "the liquid froze and damaged the PAIR of 4-CYLINDER engines." Although the various aspects of the Maserati 4-cylinder engine were used in buidling the in-line 8-cylinder engine, the eight cylinders and pistons were connected to a common crankshaft. The 8 CFT had one 8-cylinder engine, not a pair of 4-cylinder ones. Thanks

Your drawbridges are stuck in the up position and we need some bags of money to hold them down. Gotta love Chicago politics.

@phillipstoltzfus3014

3 жыл бұрын

Nothing has changed all these years later

@BillB23

3 жыл бұрын

@@phillipstoltzfus3014 The names have been changed to protect the guilty.

@michaelwalton7066

3 жыл бұрын

The Chicago Way!😉😎

@plantfeeder6677

3 жыл бұрын

How about we carpet bomb the place....I gotta love that.

@Jonascord

3 жыл бұрын

And the Illinois senator/community leader for Chicago was honest?

The Bathurst 1000, as it is currently known, raced up and down Mount Panarama at Bathurst in New South Wales, has a special place in Australian Motor Sport history. It has, over the years, attracted many drivers and teams from around the world, including America. For almost 2 decades, one man, Peter Brock (Brockie), driving Holdens (mostly) dominated 'The Mountain', earning him the nickname 'King of the Mountain'. Perhaps these 2 legends of Australian Motor Sport might make an interesting subject for a future episode of The History Guy?

I can organize a group of photographers around the nation (and possibly the world) to capture footage of some of your locations (ie., Lucky Luciano's casino in Malibu, which still exist on PCH today). That way you're not forced to rely on still pics and archival shots which are cool from a historical standpoint, when available, but on a long(er) story some "live" video footage could add some visual appeal and appear less static. Aerial/drone footage is also an option (think an orbit of the Indy track), etc. Cheers, and with or without the live video footage, your videos are great. Keep them coming.

Amazing that somebody can go through life causing so much trouble for people and get away with it! What a bastard!

I want to say that the bobble head in the background:)

A friend of mine, who recently passed, did the restoration of the car hauler truck. Robbie Sheets, Sheets Body Shop, Parkersburg, IN. Photos on body shop FB page

Glad to see Doug DeMuro’s father is doing well. Keep up the vids!

Illinois politics have not changed since the 1920's

The Chicago way!😎

"The Quad City Times reported" I was like oh crap that's my local newspaper. still printing

Boy I've been in the museum a million times ,the basement is the kool spot couldn't belive all the cars

This reminds me of the Whittington brothers in the 1984 24hrs of LeMans

@RoaroftheTiger

3 жыл бұрын

@Zach C - Those Boys, were up to their Armpits in Cocaine !

@marklittle8805

3 жыл бұрын

That is a story in itself

@bobtoler5322

3 жыл бұрын

@@marklittle8805 Vin wiki covers them in a video here on KZread called something like racing in the 70s was as crazy as you think. I think that since they're still alive the full story can't come out.

@marklittle8805

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobtoler5322 I saw that one. I think THG might have some fun with drug money fueled racing of the 80's. John Paul St and the Whittingtons were pirates in a sense ..

I'm a race fan..what a great story.

An additional point related to a "pair of 4-cylinder engines." (9:52) The 1955 Mercedes-Benz 300 SLR (W196S) engine basically used two 4-cylinder engines, nose-to-nose, with power takeoff in the middle of the crankshaft/block. This was done to avoid a problem with crankshaft flexing due to its length. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_300_SLR

Should be a part of any good, excellent education, to watch The History Guy! 🏆🥇🎓🎩📜

@jbau4985

3 жыл бұрын

I say BULLY, my good man !

Kool intro history guy did you do that or did some one help you it was good

Minor critique at 8:08 -- it's "Romeo," not "Romero."

@jdinhuntsvilleal4514

3 жыл бұрын

And for you non-ALFA owners, it's row-MAY-oh, not ROW-me-oh (except in the Air Force phonetic alphabet.)

I like your new glasses.

Hey I want a History Guy Bobble head

I feel like this would make a great movie

@plantfeeder6677

3 жыл бұрын

Ya, How "Democrats" Rule could be the title.

Although not strictly a car Mick Doohan’s 97 Honda HRC 500 scored 10 firsts and 2 seconds in the 12 race world championship.

I had a feeling that you and Mr. Donald wpuld love to interact. Talk about two heads full of historical knowledge. Yipes.

Things have changed with racing cars.

Please do more on this series, I know all those names but didn’t know the mob connection

I enjoyed that as a racing fan and an IBEW member. :) However the title should read "...and the Most successful Race car in Brickyard History". The most successful ever from any manufacturer is debatable.....

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

3 жыл бұрын

Debatable is good,- the point was actually to stir debate. On that point, what other single automobile has done as well in motor sport? Not model of race car, but just one car? The Boyle Special ran successfully in a premier race fourteen years running. Few race car models make it half that long, more or less a single car.

@Jameson1776

3 жыл бұрын

Are you local 1?

@_Bosley

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jameson1776 No I'm 353 out of Toronto Canada.... :)

@Jameson1776

3 жыл бұрын

@@_Bosley right on I’m a carpenter out of st.Louis I heard a local 1 IBEW guy saying the same thing

The Maserati engine block cracked while the car was crossing the Atlantic on a ship. Maserati shipped a new engine block from Italy. After WWII, World Champion Juan Fangio drove a similar Maserati in Europe.

Things haven't changed much in Illinois since Umbrella Mike 🤣🤣

Illinois hasn't changed a bit from Boyle's time.

Thats one extreme flea!

The WW2 attack on Ft. Stevens in Oregon is history that deserves to be remembered. Only mainland attack by a foreign nation since the War of 1812.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

3 жыл бұрын

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@kevintemple245

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel thanks! Don't know how I missed that one.