I was the one who named our company Mountain Bikes that I founded with Charles Kelly in September of 1979. Ritchey was our frame supplier for the first 3 years. Thanks! Well done review!

@jonathanweekes1127

Жыл бұрын

The comment I browsed for! Gary owned MountainBikes! Later sold to Marin - Mountain Bikes?

I just make a mountain bike into a touring bike and make sure it can do both. I don't have enough money to be too concerned with frame geometries and special components, so I use what I can get. Microshift Advent 3x9 11-46 gets me riding vertically and Maxxis Holy Rollers work well on road, gravel and hiking trails. I went from hydraulic brakes on my last bike to vbrakes on this new one. They work much better than expected. The thing is, it works.

@christopherprice-hq5sy

Жыл бұрын

The advent I dislike for the way the cable pulls sideways out of the guide. It adds tension at the start of the cable pull, from the perspective of the shifter, which multiplies in friction once the tension is measured at the thumb shifter,, like thread in a sewing machine. I wish advent worked great. I wish I tried a campag solution for ten speed that had a clutch.. but the Japanese designed the XT so well.

@pizzapie4me

Жыл бұрын

​@@christopherprice-hq5sy Advent does work great. I don't know what you're talking about in regard to cable routing, because it's one of the best in that aspect.

@christopherprice-hq5sy

Жыл бұрын

@@pizzapie4me not cable routing, but how the cable exits the bracket on the mech. If it was turned so to be more straight in line that would be better but instead it is in line somewhat when in the lowest of gears. And also the clutch makes a rattling because it uses a ratcheting clutch so it's always a little loose. I use their thumb shifters and don't mind the company but they are Microshift and perform like Microshift despite no solid reason why it has to be so.

@pizzapie4me

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherprice-hq5sy I think it exits the derailleur at a pretty ideal angle. Much better than SRAM in some cases, and certainly better than Shimano.

@christopherprice-hq5sy

Жыл бұрын

@@pizzapie4me the cable comes out. Sideways out of the mech's ferule on a advent x mech in gear 3+

Most brands make entry level “mountain bikes” with a lot the versatility of this bike at a very low price, and use inexpensive components that are easy to service.

@theskeptik1

Жыл бұрын

Just watched this and was like, hey, an overpriced Muirwoods. lol

@MeowHikes

5 ай бұрын

@@theskeptik1 the Muirwoods runs 42mm?

@MeowHikes

5 ай бұрын

Can you point me in that direction? something that clears tires between 2.2 and 2.6? rigid frame, mtb components, etc? because I've been searching and searching for essentially a cheaper version of this bike, and there's not much out there on bike insights/99spokes etc. with the exception of maybe the Breezer Thunder

@BWOOHAHAHAAA

2 ай бұрын

@@MeowHikes Check out Surly or Salsa.

I'm really glad that Hybrid bikes are finally getting the love they deserve.

@PathLessPedaledTV

Жыл бұрын

I've thought about doing a video on hybrid bikes but the category is so broad and devoid of features other than a flat bar that it is virtually meaningless. No wonder they've never caught on.

@BirdmanDeuce26

Жыл бұрын

Honestly Hybrids get too much of a bad rap/suffer from poor marketing, which is a shame because they fit the non-competitive user’s needs significantly more and at an affordable price entry point. I own a Giant Escape 3. There’s enough clearance for 45 mm tires (they come standard w/ 38), mounting points for rear racks + fenders, and comes standard with modest riser bars that you can easily swap out for something more ergo . In its stock form, it’s an excellent commuter/recreation bike; a few parts swaps and you’d get a pretty capable ATB/gravel machine, I’d think

@don_sharon

Жыл бұрын

It appears Russ is being "that guy" when it comes to hybrid snobbery. Anyway, I bought a Trek Dual Sport 3 Gen 5 that has a couple of mounting points, cushy 50mm 650bs and a very upright stack. I plan on riding it at RAGBRAI, cause Duzer said, ride what you brought. In fact, I am enjoying the hybrid and Kona Libre so much, I put my Madone up for sale. Roads are getting too dangerous in FL, so gravel and forestry road riding, I think, is for me and much more interesting. Anyway, it's the direction I'm taking and I am enjoying being out in the fresh air, low to no traffic, and a comfortable bike...

@PathLessPedaledTV

Жыл бұрын

@@don_sharon The Specialized Sirrus is also considered a hybrid and is nothing like your Trek Dual Sport 3 Gen 5. So what is the defining feature of a hybrid other than not having drop bars? I have nothing against them but no one can agree to what they’re suppose to be like other than having two wheels and flat bars.

@hugobci

Жыл бұрын

Nice discuss. It is like industry standards: they think one standard will rise to rule then all, but is just another standard in catolog. That said, is nice to see nice and good bikes not aimed to mimic some profissional sport

Cool! My 80s era Norco Bushpilot is in again. So everyone is back where i've always been. 😛 In the 2000s my local shopowner said, "I HATE those bikes! They NEVER break." Only downside is, the forks are too skinny to fit disc brakes. I'll fix that if it ever breaks...

So glad I hung on to my ‘91 Stumpjumper ! It got a COVID restomod and I will never get rid of it.

My latest add to the stable is a Rohloff geared Surly Ogre and after being on it a while, I feel like you just described my experience with it. I think it's an amazing category!!

I really like this bike. Nice looking frame design and elegant color scheme. All the braze-ons are nice to have and feels like I could just swap out the tires depending on what I want to ride. It’s a nice upgrade in terms of components. Thanks very much for such a thorough review, Russ.

Nice, I ride a 2018 Giant Toughroad SLR0 modified with Jones Bars instead of the stock flat bars and lower gearing. Not that dissimilar to that ATB, somewhat longer chainstays at 450mm and a bit less tyre clearance 2.2 max at rear and ALU frame/carbon fork with internal routing for dynamo and hydraulic discs. Great channel.

This bike provides qualities for all kinds of terrain, but also all kinds of riders and all kinds of riding. Super competent, complete, and copascetic review....as always. Thanks.

I’m absolutely loving my Corvus crow pass , I think it’s on atb + end of the spectrum with a 27.5+ tires , great video as always Russ!

It's great to see makers coming back to basics. My wife and I are in the market for a couple of ATBs for some bike packing / touring around Europe. One thing though, can you please also give measurements in metric as well. Thanks.👍

Awesome channel.I have a atb. 1978 Carlton competition.goes everywhere and anywhere, obviously more suited to some situations than others but I love it.

I appreciate your exploration and reviews of everyday bikes. I have to remind myself of my riding needs and especially terrain which has no mountainous or gravel paths. I like when you compare and contrast bikes from previous reviews. I'm trying to pick out an ATB (fits me well, low gearing, no need for big tires) on a budget. And I can not wrap my head around alloy frames so love these steel bikes.

Very interesting. My now called ATB is an Avanti Hybrid with 700x38 tyres and suntour air forks with 50mm travel. The weight penalty of the forks is insignificant, but the comfort improvement is significant. I think more bikes should be offered with very light weight air forks with around 50mm travel.

Apart from a few years on drop bar adventure/gravel bikes this pretty much sums up my past 10 years on bikes, flat bars, multi terrain compatible, superb all rounders, these days I just roll on my Surly Wednesday with fat and 29+ wheels, everything I need, keep it simple and enjoy the ride.

Thanks for this very informative video. I have a soft spot for my first MTB of 1996 and I still use it today, it is a fully rigid. In French mountain bikes are still and have always been called VTT: Vélo Tout Terrain which means, you guessed, "all terrain bike"! I wonder how the bike you describe in the video can be marketed in France? 😀

Always some of the best bike videos. I would love to ride this bike!

Because my 1998 Specialized Rockhopper doesn't have a suspension fork, I have referred to it as a "primitive mountain bike" but have also called it an "all terrain bike." I've used it for everything except technical mountain biking, including paved touring (with rack and panniers and non-knobby tires. I'm sure it's heavier than a new ATB, but its a great bike and still fun to ride and with its original 3x drivetrain, will climb any mountain. I'm glad I've kept it all these years.

@MeowHikes

5 ай бұрын

they've gotten a lot of hype over the last few years so finding one secondhand is getting more and more expensive. sweet bikes for certain!

I really like this bike, this is exactly what I have been trying to aim for while converting my Marin to a solid fork and to have a more pull back bar.

Great review Russ. Thanks!!

Very nice! Needs a front derailleur.

the Priority Sauce looks like a pretty decent option for an affordable ATB, I hope you’ll get the chance to give it a review!

I have a hard tail and a full sus, something like this is maybe next, especially for some rail trail type bike packing, id love to try those bars out, thanks Russ

My ATB bike is my Salsa Journeyer Advent with 29x2.0 MTB tires on it. Love my bike so much!

Oh heck Ya! Well delivered Russ

The atb where around in the eighties" The Raleigh bomber".....the frame even looks the same

I'm so up for this, Mountain bikes have become far too bikepark orientated with their geometry in recent years and I miss the the Mountain Bikes of my 90s youth. Big 50 mile days out, covering ups and downs offroad. no suspension, but no less fun for it. The bike sort of just got out of the way of the ride/

@manaknight333

Жыл бұрын

Those bikes are called gravel bikes now. There are also plenty of hardtail/rigid XC bikes.

@tomfuller4473

Жыл бұрын

@@manaknight333 I don't know if I agree... gravel bikes aren't suited to the downhills in the same way (drops). you are right about the hardtails XC, but those usually come with suspension. Hardtails tend to be super slack nowadays

Another great review. Thank you. and I am very intrigued by this bike.

I'm running a Scott Sub Cross, it's a hardtail 'cross trekking' bike with 63 mm of front suspension travel, so it's not too much but good on bad roads. it's fitted with 700x45 gravel tires which are perfect and a 3x9 shimano altus drivetrain because that can do everything. good experience so far. also hydro disks are fun :D

I put velo orange crazy bar on my soma wolverine and I am sold. I have no need for drop bars anymore with those awesome versatile bars.

Building a Brother Cycles „Big Bro“ at the time cause I fall in love with rigid adventure bikes - can’t wait to ride on a bikepacking trip!

I was wondering the whole time if you were going to address the comparisons to other bikes that others and myself raised and you did! Awesome vid Russ, thanks!

Lovely looking bike! My AllCity NatureBoy is built up with Enve carbon forks (were on sale) XTR v-brakes, Panaracer 43c, Surly Open Bars and Blackburn rack. Rides like a bike and can handle 90% of all local roads and trails 😁

Awesome review Russ as always. Honestly, these days, I think many buyers are victims of bike industry marketing hype and buy bikes they think they need but actually don't instead of buying the bikes they think they don't need but actually do. I mean really, how many riders REALLY need full squish carbon fibre trail rockets? But hey, my buddies all have them so I should right?

I do like this style. It's a do anything kinda bike. More so than my tough dutch city bike, which does not like loose terrain at all 😅

Just sending some love out to the Cannondale Bad Boy which was genre buster when it first came out as a hybrid commuter. Mine is 700c, not exactly supple because it is heavy, unbreakable aluminium, but had room for MTB tyres. I've owned it for 10 years and it has variously been a hybrid commuter, mountain bike, gravel bike and is now is my winter road bike. I'll never sell it.

@the_lost_navigator7266

Жыл бұрын

I sold mine, really wish I hadn't.

@caseysmith544

Жыл бұрын

Giant also had a similar bike at the time.

Love thise front forks!Still keeping my Marin Larkspur tho. The step through frame is what does it for me. So easy to get on when you have a bunch of crap on the back.

@fg3901

7 ай бұрын

I'm building on a 2017 step through Marin Kentfield frame with Trucker forks and Jones bars.

I like. I took the "mountain bike" handlebars off of my Marin Pine Mountain rigid frame steel bike and replaced them with more swept back bars. It is a bit more upright seat position but it is so much easier on my hands and wrists.

@daniellarson3068

Жыл бұрын

Smart man - Numb hands are no fun. The Jones bar on this bike has been touted as solving that problem.

Built up a 29er On-One Bootzipper frame as a mtb but it could do a lot of set ups on it. The steel fork is a bit stiff though

It looks to me like the Wilde Supertramp geometry is somewhat like the Surly Ogre (which is like a non- suspension corrected Karate Monkey)- but with a longer/slacker front end.

Y’all should check out the Hog’s Back frame by Bassi. Love my “ATB” build on it ❤

Your bikes looks like mine but I changed out the tan walled tires for marathon reflectives. I must admit I am thinking of changing the Jones bar for a Dream riser as I am finding my wrists don't like the extreme angle.

The military bikes from ww1 and ww2 were these

I really dig this bike, and the ATB mantra in general. I’ll be rocking my 90s Shogun Metro A/T until I can afford a modern ATB, and even then I’ll probably ride the crusty bike more 😂

The Kona Dew Plus seems to fit into this category of bike at a very reasonable price point. The "urban/commuter" classification by Kona seems limiting, and with some tire and bar side-grades it could be quite capable.

@JohnPilling25

Жыл бұрын

I picked up a kona dew on marketplace about a year ago - stripped everything off it and rebuilt with a rigid carbon fork, microShift 1x10, hollowtech bb and cranks, 700cx43mm tyres and surly corner bars - I think it's the bees knees!

@theolarsen5351

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately Kona's "full rigid with full-size tires" niche is filled by the Unit... at a much higher price point than the Dew. ~50mm tire clearance is such an annoying limitation. At least give us 2.5" to gain access to the huge variety of 2.1"-2.4" tires out there.

Around in a big 45 year loop. Great looking bike. Love the sloping top tube. But I just added a Surly Bridge Club to the stable. N+25...bike addiction! 🚵‍♂️

Sonder frontier or On-one bootzipper ticks the boxes. Or mtb frame with rigid forks.

I like to think about different bikes specializations arranged into a circle of flavours rather than in a linear spectrum. As such, we have bikes for descending rough stuff, bikes for climbing rough stuff, bikes for achieving the highest speed on a paved surface etc. But yeah, the average person would need a bike that fits somewhere inside this circle.

Interesting review. I have Surly Ogre that I had custom built about a decade ago, and strangely it matches a lot of your ATB build requirements, including using 29" tires (albeit only 35mm compared to the monsters everyone seems to run these days) and something close to a cut Jones H-bar with room for a bag on the front. I'd considered getting a drop-bar gravel bike and turning the Ogre into even more of a 'town bike' (it was built with a Shimano 8-speed Alfine as an 'all weather' bike before Gates became the thing that it is now and frames that support it be some more common). It's weird but fun to read your reviews and support for the ATB concept, which I seem to sort-of be riding, despite myself.

@MSUTri

Жыл бұрын

I'd say the Ogre typifies the current concept of the ATB to the tee from 'A' to 'B'! ;-) It, plus the Troll and even older Salsa Fargo for that matter, certainly pre-date the resurgence of the term 'ATB', but all exemplify the concept of a bike that is roughly equally at home on singletrack and paved roads, perhaps the best bike type for chunky two tracks, and ideal for long distance riding. Between the late '90s and early 2010s, there wasn't much in this space for bikes, beyond entry level mountain bikes that were rigid out of budget rather than desire. Road bikes had narrow 23 mm tires, cyclocross (and even hybrid) bikes had aggressive geometry and only 35 mm or so tires, and XC mountain bikes hadn't turned into off road monsters yet, but were still more than you needed for gravel and two tracks. Increasingly long travel and slack XC bikes opened up a gap for ATBs, and on the road side for gravel bikes.

@mr-fw8ic

8 ай бұрын

same for me. rigid ogre with rohloff, heavy duty cargo wheel set, 2.6 tires and granny bar. 19kg naked and we get airborn quiet frequently. what are all these other bikes for?? 😎

It's interesting to see the ATB come back around. In the mid-80's Raleigh, Schwinn and others experimented with ATB/off road touring bikes. The Raleigh Mountain Tour& Schwinn Cimarron are the two I'm most familiar with, but I know Diamondback and others had models with mid-blade fork mounts, rack mounts, etc. as well. The industry continues to recycle ideas as they have for the past 120+ years, but it's not necessarily a bad thing as we seem to largely be shifting back to more practical/accessible bikes.

@danjee464

8 ай бұрын

Mean Streak was one such Diamondback model in the 80s-it was their high end bike, but it still had front and rear rack and fender mounts. I think I can say the same about most of the 80s ATBs I've seen. They rock.

Realized this years ago -- have converted many high-spec 90s MTBs into ATB/Allroad bikes. Also, the late 90s / early 2000s 28mm suspensions are pretty ideal for ATB use, as they weigh very little and come with lockouts.

I think "ATB" is just what happens when you get a) really unpretentious about cycling, and b) you mostly want to ride one bike and aren't especially extreme about any one discipline. Case in point: my wife traded her trusty Cross-Check for a Marin Larkspur last year, and at first I thought she was crazy. But when I rode the thing (small as it was), it was pretty sublime. The 1x11 was unfussy and just worked, the MT200s were equally chill-yet-effective, the riding position was comfy, and the 650Bs were plush as hell. Fast forward one year and a baby with front-mounted seat later, my old Nicasio now has a set of Jones H-bars, MT-200s, 650Bs with WTB Horizons, and a Sram 1x11. The drops are still sitting in the basement with the brifters and tape just as I left them, and that's probably where they're going to stay.

I have a Karate Monkey, brilliant bike, but being used to front suspension I found the straight rigid fork way too harsh, even with 2.6" tyres (now running short travel sus up front so big improvement for me). Also running a 90's MTB with cheap curved front fork, which I have no problem with as it seems to have plenty of compliance. I guess it's just me that finds straight rigid forks too harsh.

Looks like a comfortable bike - cruiser elements.

Wow! It looks like we have circled back to adding good brakes and gears to a quality beach cruiser frame. Or maybe we should refer to it as the original paper boy bike frame.

@tommygrowls7894

Жыл бұрын

Take a look at "klunker" culture, you'll be amazed

Karate Monkey?! This thing is a direct relation to an Ogre, but much costlier. I just don't understand why the Ogre gets no love. I've never ridden another bike that is more capable of just about anything you throw at it. I've done road centuries+, multi-day bike packing, gravel grinding, and full on trail shredding on mine. I've had mine built single speed, 1x, and 3x with drops, flats and alt bars. It's the bike that I always come back to and wonder why I bothered with anything else.

@PathLessPedaledTV

Жыл бұрын

Ogre frameset is $900. This is $1200. Surly probably orders on a few magnitudes larger than Wilde.

@bensieber6960

Жыл бұрын

@@PathLessPedaledTV And I 100% get supporting small, independent builders.

@brannmacfinnchad9056

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that...wondered if you can fit 3x on an Ogre

@bensieber6960

Жыл бұрын

@@brannmacfinnchad9056 Be aware that mine is a 2014 and I believe the frame has been slightly changed since. Definitely check with Surly.

@nicolasfieldsoundservices

Жыл бұрын

Hey Ben, I love my Ogre! And 100% agree

Reminds me of a bike i had as a kid. It had no gears and a real Pedal Brake.

I still have my 1997 Gary Fisher paragon .... It still performs well on what I consider mountain biking ...... Single track cross country , pretty much a hiking trail 👌 not today's MTB course ( a BMX course on the side of mountain 🤷‍♂️)

I've been watching you channel for the longest time and of all the channels on KZread you show us the best stuff when it comes to bikes. I like your overall opinion of this bike when you say "It rides like a bike". I believe a lot of what reviewers say about the way a bike rides is a load of BS because I've ridden many bikes in my life and they all simply ride like bikes. Love your channel.

@joyce120860

Жыл бұрын

Right on Charles, I have a lot of (road) bikes (different brands) and basically they all have the same ride qualities.

@joyce120860

Жыл бұрын

Just 2 things matter: wheelbase and width of tires

The new Kona Sutra LTD fits the bill for ATB. Its steel, completely rigid, Rival 1, 11-42 rear, 36t front, 180 rotors, big dropper, with tire clearance up to 29 x 2.35. Mounting points all over, and its super comfy on long tours. Its perfect for almost anything in Michigan

@MeowHikes

5 ай бұрын

absolutely, it's like a drop bar version of this bike. my gf has one and theyre sweeeeet, but she has it set up wiith a 10-52 in the rear with the aftermarket shifter upgrade

Have you tried the bridge club? I am wondering about the Wilde vs BC.I am thinking BC in 27.5, so I get that difference. I think of the BC exactly how you have described the Wilde.

I was interested in getting one of these, but then I found that the Supertramp geometry is pretty close to my rigid 2013 Ritchey P-29er, except the reach of the Wilde is a bit longer to accommodate more space for frame bags. Does this mean modern ATBs are just 2010s racy XC bikes, but with more utility?

Excellent video! I do a lot of gravel races/rides and a bike like this would be a better fit for many riders IMHO.

Love the fend off re the Jones Bar bags.... Ha!

Bikes are like Men’s suits: keep em around and they’ll come back in style. This “ new bike” featured can be found on CL as many iterations of 80s-90s bike frame. Easy enough to swap out the gears, little tougher going to disc brakes but since disc brakes are “flavor-of-the-day”, I can do without & save $$$ for better things; like nicer wheels. One thing disc brakes offer is versatility in quick change overs of wheels: 650-700s and given a frame’s clearance; wide variety of tire sizes. Swap out handlebars from flat to curl & you have a true all-arounder. Personally I enjoy buying used bikes at discount and ride them and then give them away to some needy entity. ✌️

Love my Surly Krampus for this exact reason

I'll stick with my Hardtack (with Jones bars). Longer chainstays (although I wish they were much longer), much slacker STA, and more fork offset on the Hardtack. FWIW, the Hardtack fork offset is 61mm, per an email from James, not 63mm as listed on Bike Insights.

You should do a test ride on the more affordable Kona Unit X.

My Jones bar Surly Ogre is a decade old.....

The relationship between stem length, hand position on the bars and handling can be repeated too many times. Alt bars are the bomb - even on my mnt bike.

I LOVE this design. Jones HBars top it off! I’m seriously looking into it. How much commonality does the frame have with the Super Something?

@PathLessPedaledTV

Жыл бұрын

Complete opposite.

I am liking this bike

ATBs rule. I've come to really enjoy a pretty slack HTA on my recent ATBs. Rocking 65-66 deg lately(with 2" + fork rake). I think a lot of the geometry lessons of progressive hardtail geometry can carry over to ATBs with some considerations.

Tried a bike recently w/out a front suspension fork and honestly realized how immensely beneficial a front suspension fork are even on hard surfaces.

@PathLessPedaledTV

Жыл бұрын

Sold my hard tail because the front suspension was absolutely overkill for most things I rode.

@thomasspotzl4240

Жыл бұрын

@@PathLessPedaledTV you're riding too slow then. ;)

@jasonwu9287

Жыл бұрын

​@@thomasspotzl4240 "party pace" 😂

@petesmitt

Жыл бұрын

Road bikes don't have suspension for a reason; suspension on bicycles is a necessary evil for off-road.

@CanIHasThisName

Жыл бұрын

Front suspension makes massive difference for handling and comfort, but you honestly don't need that much travel outside of actual mountain biking. Suspension forks affect more than just handling, they're kinda heavy and require considerable maintenance. That's why the Redshift stem was such a success. I think it absolutely nailed the suspension stem concept, making it something that's pretty light, stealthy, maintenance free and very effective.

How do you think the bike might ride with 650b x 2.3 or wider tires?

recently got a similar shaped ebike with no suspoension. And yes I took it on some dirt roads which it handled no problem at all. I'm starting to wonder if we got a bit carried away with suspension *uinless you're a proper mountain biker)

Always wondered why drop bars favored here. I typically equate drops to faster, aggressive, aero and less party pace.

@PathLessPedaledTV

Жыл бұрын

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@ninone23

Жыл бұрын

@@PathLessPedaledTV 💡thanks! Awesome video. Now I don’t feel like such a poser cuz I ride on the hoods 90% of the time lol. Plus drops look way cooler and I can match my bar tape to my tan walls 😂

Here we go again... I wonder how long this thing will stick around.

Why stay with mechanical disc? versatility with components or durability? Seems like Hydros are pretty durable these days

How’s it compare to the Sklar Super Something? Pretty close

I'll take an ATB from 1984-1988. Made in Japan or Taiwan. Peak ATB!

@GHinWI

Жыл бұрын

Threaded 1” fork/stem though-those were pretty awful! Threadless headset was a massive improvement. Square taper BB were awful, rim brakes were awful…etc. Personally, I see the value of these modernized versions.

@staticdisaster

Жыл бұрын

​@@GHinWI"Square taper BB were awful" lol😅

@GHinWI

Жыл бұрын

@@staticdisaster : flexy AF-half the effort was wasted in flex.

With the price of dropbar stuff, racing marketing storytelling, general cost of living crisis and bike innovation coming full circle every 20 years, it seems anything but unexpected :)

I find that alt bars seem to make the bike feel to small with a stem under 120mm. With a stem of 120 when i place my hands on the back sweep it feels just right not to twichy and not slow steering wise

@PathLessPedaledTV

Жыл бұрын

They work with bikes with intentionally long reach for alt bars.

Something I would find interesting would be an ATB build using an old cheaper bike frame and newer components [bad ideas?] to see how they compare.

@daniellarson3068

Жыл бұрын

Old Shovel does something like that.

I just don't understand the movement away from curly bars. Every time I ride a bike with swept back bars I feel like it puts all my weight on my rear end and turns my body into a great big sail which is a drag when riding into any amount of wind. I also miss all the hand and body positions available with curly bars.

@BirdmanDeuce26

Жыл бұрын

An upright position for ATB/longer-haul riding is one of Grant Petersen's (of Rivendell Bikes) primary riding philosophies, especially for managing rougher terrain/descents on rigid ATB bikes. (He's not the only one to think of it, of course, but on the internet he seems to be most visible about it.) The idea is that having weight that far back reduces the danger of OTB on descents by reducing pressure on the fork and bringing the centre of gravity back to a safer place, and the upright position lets your body absorb vibrations better than in a more aggressive forward position. Many ATB manufacturers (and almost all of Rivendell Bike's models), for this reason, have a distinctly upright riding position, with the swept back bards for maximum ergo. The downside, of course, is what you've highlighted - your body is basically a gigantic sail in the wind, and climbing hills from such an upright position is significantly more difficult. It's not my wave, personally - I still enjoy my speed/aero/climbing ability, especially in tough winds - but over the course of a very long riding day out on a trail/gravel, I can see the appeal.

"It rides like a bike", is a compliment, especially if you can say that on most any surface.

ATB - translating into English the French term for Mountain bike (wait, what?!?). "All terrain bike" is the English version of "Vélo tout terrain" which in turn is the French for "mountain bike"....

Looks like a fancy beach cruiser 😊

It's a nice update to the mid 80s ATB and the 90s cross and hybrids, but...I'd rather save money and buy an old frame that will deliver 90% of the performance and save 90% of my $$$.

This one actually classifies as a BIKE

I've fallen in love with drop bar gravel over the last 10 years after previous years of riding flat bar hard tails, so this seems a bit out of my comfort zone. Maybe you've talked about this before, but where do we go to get a feel for what we like? Most LBS in my neck of the woods (North Carolina Piedmont) have a limited selection of brands and tend to specialize in either road or full suspension mountain. What's the best way to try the brands you showcase here?

@PathLessPedaledTV

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There is no good place. That's the reason I review niche brands to try to communicate how they ride for folks that won't get a chance to try them.

@justpedal65

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Other than knowing someone who has one, the only reasonable option you have for DTC is if you have the chance to "tour" the facilities... whether headquarters if they're made overseas or production facilities... they usually have demos, or an employee who is your size, riding the same or similar. Of course, the expense of traveling to such a facility may be a factor, but I always consider it if drive time is within 8 to 10 hours. I mean, what better road trip can you think of??? 🙂

Cross country bike with high bars!

No front suspension means it should come with a Quick Release axle instead of the cumbersome thru-axle.

Wow what a coincidence. I just bought a 1980s nishiki Ariel "ATB" for 20$. Its in really fair shape and im fixing it up to be my bomb proof everyday bike for anywhere.

I like this trend.

I love my LHT, 26" is better suited for my short Russ like legs. Brakes are cheap and easy to work on. Comfortable. Plenty capable to go and do with fat tires. It's just too bad Surly quit making them and they're a pain in the ass to find now.

@daviec1816

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The Brother Bikes Wooden frame is about as close as you can get these days, new.

@cattalkbmx

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@@daviec1816 Thanks for the head up, I'll check it out.

BB7s for that price yeeeeesh.

Regarding Jan and his idea on high trail, its true for road, with offroad you dont want super responsive front end but stability, current trail mtb have was to much stabiltiy for mellow trails and feel overbikes on anything not technical so ATB going middle ground with mid trail is smart.

ATB. Now I know what to call my Commencal FCB.