How to win: Use maths How to win if the opponent has caught on to our strategy: Cheat

@Elusivehawk

4 жыл бұрын

The secret ingredient is crime

@erikgag

4 жыл бұрын

Just hack the mechanism

@dancrane3807

4 жыл бұрын

I changed the conditions of the simulation - Kirk.

@serphon5784

4 жыл бұрын

Perfect Strategy

@buzzlightyear6960

4 жыл бұрын

Where from Earth do people say maths?

Dr. Nim hates him for this one simple trick

@babafrigarodolfo6889

3 жыл бұрын

This simple trick can increase you IQ size by 16!

@iboiiiii

3 жыл бұрын

@@babafrigarodolfo6889 I didn’t know IQ scores could get to 2.092279e+13

@babafrigarodolfo6889

3 жыл бұрын

@@iboiiiii i mean its recomended for 9/10 nims

@lennyface2586

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@devoid-of-life

3 жыл бұрын

@@Harrazmo ??

Idea: have 13 coins. Line twelve of them up, and flip the last coin to determine who will go first. If the flip says that you go first, add the last coin to the line, and act like that was what was going to happen all along. If the flip says that they go first, pocket the coin, and act like that was going to happen all along.

@dario9962

4 жыл бұрын

underrated idea. GREAT

@LancerloverLL

4 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't work twice for the same opponent though

@markjacobs1086

4 жыл бұрын

@@LancerloverLL if they catch on to the strategy that is. Some people just don't see it.

@galatic-wyvern2993

4 жыл бұрын

@@markjacobs1086 seriously did this back and forth with someone for half an hour. He genuinely was trying to figure it out

@codyallen43

4 жыл бұрын

@@LancerloverLL winner picks who goes first, ez

That's pretty friggin' cool. Always amazed with the clever ways engineers could 'program' arbitrary rules or mathematical stuff to play out via purely mechanical means.

@Banzybanz

4 жыл бұрын

We studied pneumatics and hydraulics in our Mechanical engineering course. You can use them to do purely mechanical automation and programming. It's essentially the same thing happening in your modern day computer, except that instead of a few dozen switches, you have billions of very tiny ones.

@nortonofnorthamerica

3 жыл бұрын

@@Banzybanz I once had the dream to make a logic controller out of pneumatic relays rather than transistors... I got over it when I had trouble scrounging the parts

@ginosko_

3 жыл бұрын

Your always amazed with engineers programming arbitrary rules? Where else have you been amazed by engineers programming arbitrary rules ?

@angryzergling7832

3 жыл бұрын

@@ginosko_ This game here, early transmissions, mechanical computers, analog calculators, complex astrological calendars built thousands of years ago that could accurately predict the position of the sun today to a precision we have trouble matching. Lots of stuff! I'm a programmer, and it's fascinating how people solved the same problems we solve today with purely mechanical principles. Sometimes I'll have trouble working out a problem, then you think people used to have to solve the same thing I'm struggling with translating into code with a powerful digital computer but using only stacks of precisely tuned gears and chains, vacuum tubes, or plastic spheres interacting with plastic switches as it fell down a gameboard. Pretty neat stuff.

@AyarARJ

Жыл бұрын

Heron of Alexandria appreciates your amazement. Creating mechanical programs for audience entertainment was an interesting diversion.

> TFW when your plastic toy has a doctorate and you haven't

@U014B

8 жыл бұрын

and your soda

@DanDart

8 жыл бұрын

+Noel Goetowski hah fair point. I've just been outsmarted by a drink!

@guepardo.1

8 жыл бұрын

+Dan Dart "That feel when when"? What the WTF?

@OtakuNoShitpost

8 жыл бұрын

+Guepardo Guepárdez Nah nah, That Face With when...

@DanDart

8 жыл бұрын

+phoxxentswrath I thought it was That Face When when tbh

“NIM” is “WIN” turned upside down.

@chambersr1176

4 жыл бұрын

😮

@jpnrndr7983

4 жыл бұрын

You don't to be smart to know that, also don't comment with shitty emoji

@branflakes2600

4 жыл бұрын

Jackson shut up

@guestuser2373

4 жыл бұрын

# turn it upside down, not flip it upside down.

@pork108

4 жыл бұрын

@@jpnrndr7983 You fr just commented "you dont to be smart" and "dont comment with shitty emoji" m8 it sounds to me like your grammar is the equivalent to an 11 year old Spanish speaker who's been playing around with duolingo for the last week and a half so I suggest you stfu

I remember seeing a version of this game on an old show called cyberchase, they even explained the same group of four trick and a version where you dont want to be left with the last marble. Kinda neat.

@economicapple2609

2 жыл бұрын

CYBERCHASE WE’RE MOVIN WE’RE BEATIN HACKA AT HIS GAME

@xleplayVA

Жыл бұрын

COSMIC WORLDS, FREAKY PLACES THAT WE'VE SEEN!

@retro3188

Жыл бұрын

We’ve got the power-of 1, 2, 3, 4!

@bagelz3359

Жыл бұрын

Oh yes the cartoon with the Bird that sounds like he chain smokes cigarettes. Great show

@gtmsnba13

Жыл бұрын

@@bagelz3359 he was voiced by gilbert gottfried

"You can tell it's 1960's America because there's a wholesome family having fun, with GUNS in the background." I'd like to say you're wrong but it's very true

@paulprecour3636

4 жыл бұрын

Rather, "You can tell it's 1960s America because there's a wholesome family having fun, due to the fact that they have guns in the background".

@xcvsdxvsx

4 жыл бұрын

Back when guns were everywhere but mass shootings were almost unheard of. Kids brought guns to school to target practice in PE. Imagine it. People like to make fun of boomers who blame video games for mass shootings, and I'm sure those people are atleast mostly wrong, but they are on to something in the sense that something did happen. Be that video games or something else, some force or influence, SOMETHING did screw up the culture.

@insertwittyname5649

4 жыл бұрын

I had a bunch of 60s games from my mom. The happy family is par for the course but... The guns are kind of new to me lol

@aqueousone

4 жыл бұрын

Electronic Adventures tell me more about that “well regulated” part.

@rickw7903

4 жыл бұрын

We had a shooting range in high school. Politicians will not disarm me.

played this with my young nephew. only instead of coins, marbles, or pegs, there were sweets. and instead of losing, if there were no sweets left to take, and it was your go, you'd have to take and bite into a wedge of lemon. because what else are nephews for

@curtislevey7639

4 жыл бұрын

I like lemon so why not

@tcoren1

4 жыл бұрын

Barney McWhat honestly this is the better version of the game to play, as it isn’t inherently rigged, there is actual strategy. If you’re losing, you can take 3 sweets per turn, forcing your opponent to take one. If they choose to take more, you can force them into eating the lemon. If they don’t, you at least get the majority of sweets...

@kurumi394

3 жыл бұрын

I am honored to make this comment have 666 likes because this is quite devilish

@teunvandiedenhoven1105

3 жыл бұрын

@@curtislevey7639 Lol same

@goclbert

2 жыл бұрын

As a young child I would straight up eat lemons so I would have loved your game.

From the screenshot I thought Dr. Nim would have some mechanics hidden inside. It's simplicity makes it even more amazing. It's pretty much a mechanical flowchart!

Now I'd really like to see Matt do a video on the Mario Party 2 minigame "Honeycomb Havoc". It's basically an inversion of Nim: 4 players, you can take 1 or 2 items on your turn, and the object is to NOT take the last item, whoever does is eliminated.

@MD-vs9ff

2 жыл бұрын

That's not an inversion, it's literally the same game. You just win if you take the second to last item, instead of the last. The strategy is identical, except instead of leaving a multiple of 3 behind, you leave 3x+1 behind after your turn.

@backlogbuddies

2 жыл бұрын

Md, the issue with honeycomb havok is 4 players at once taking 1-2 and it's not an even amount between each honeycomb

@donovanmahan2901

Жыл бұрын

At the 1v1 it simplifies to NIM, while the rest is people deciding which of the others can lose or contunue

The way he says NIM every time reminds me the knights who say NI

@teunvandiedenhoven1105

3 жыл бұрын

NI

@My_initials_are_O.G.cuz_I_am

3 жыл бұрын

@@teunvandiedenhoven1105 Stop *it.*

@Logarithm906

3 жыл бұрын

@@My_initials_are_O.G.cuz_I_am NEE NEE NEE NEE NEE, We demand a shrubbary!

@shardtheduraludon

3 жыл бұрын

@@My_initials_are_O.G.cuz_I_am Shrubber-plead for your ignorance to one of the best comedy flicks ever published.

@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447

2 жыл бұрын

????????????????????????

Instructions Unclear Won the lottery

@vicr123

7 жыл бұрын

Oops! :P

@Chrnan6710

7 жыл бұрын

I hate when that happens.

@shinydewott

7 жыл бұрын

kemboy323 thats unfortunate

@provalvez284

7 жыл бұрын

im so sorry about that

@s1v3bid

7 жыл бұрын

kemboy323 im sorry for your loss

thank you for telling me how to hustle drunks at a bar

@stevethea5250

4 жыл бұрын

thanks

@skylerclyne6542

3 жыл бұрын

+

@ztac_dex

3 жыл бұрын

+

@bellicose4653

3 жыл бұрын

He didn't tell you how to casually introduce an extra coin to the game. Something like that could cause a fight

@Dangerous_DM

6 ай бұрын

Yup

At 5:23 - "Um sir, you have 13 coins." 5:25 - *Removes a coin* You were saying?

@silyu97

3 жыл бұрын

sleight of video cut

@Bill-vl3np

3 жыл бұрын

Glad someone else saw this

@DivyanshMMMUT

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertgarza301 no it isn't, you need to turn it upside down, and then flip it left/right

How the hell did somebody invent this game? It’s insanely smart.

@condor2279

3 жыл бұрын

It was a bored mathematics professor apparently.

@OtakuUnitedStudio

3 жыл бұрын

Like many games, it was likely just invented by a couple of bored soldiers that didn't get mathematically solved until much later.

@shirshajitsingha6484

2 жыл бұрын

late reply, but a similar version of this game exists in a kids game that my friends and I used to play. It's called 21, and basically you count but you can only say 3 numbers and then your opponent continues. And whoever reaches 21 loses and gets some arbitrary punishment. So the goal of the game is essentially to reach 20, so your opponent has to say 21 and lose. I, and many other kids, actually independently found this trick because it's not that hard to figure out. SO it's a fairly widespread mundane game, any many versions of it exist. It's not as universal as something rock-paper-scissors but it's certainly akin to it. And it's quite pointless to ask who invented those kind of games. It's a pretty simple game, so it's reasonable to assume that many versions of essentially the same concept were invented in many places independently and one version got standardized.

@stevejordan7275

Жыл бұрын

They didn't have the distraction/hazard of social media.

@hungry6677

Жыл бұрын

@@stevejordan7275 bro KZread is partly social media

Wow, that's pretty impressive the level of design of a plastic kids toy in the 1960's, also way to teach kids the system is rigged against them.

@maxmustermann-ie6ic

7 жыл бұрын

John Beauvais Why? I mean its not like people were any dumber in the past (actually looking at the news I'm starting to think it might be the other way around lol)

@moon2a379

6 жыл бұрын

max mustermann yeah totally no way this generation is dumber than the 60's why because kids are more intelligent than ever according to study's

@MrBob-bj6kk

6 жыл бұрын

John Beauva

@13ivanogre13

5 жыл бұрын

Imagine having the Internet back in the 60's. It would be like having The Library of Congress in your house!

@vincentlok8894

5 жыл бұрын

Well, you know that in the 1960's they put a man on the moon using sliderules and an onboard computer with less computing power than a digital watch from the 80's. I suppose they also invented computers so, why couldn't they make a clever plastic toy?

*Doctors hate him! Australian man beats game with this one simple trick!*

@vincentlok8894

5 жыл бұрын

Have laws changed in your area? (*insert pic of girl in bikini in handcuffs*)

@papipepe9659

5 жыл бұрын

*pulls out a sledgehammer*

@nothosaur

5 жыл бұрын

Try not to gasp when you see what the game looks like now!

@vincentlok8894

5 жыл бұрын

And the internet can't even

@vincentlok8894

5 жыл бұрын

You won't believe what happens next.

Here is a trick to slip in an extra coin in case you are the first one to play. Or lets say there is a dispute to who plays first. Throw 12 coins on the table .(Not in a straight line. You can place the last coin with dollar bills aside) Now take an extra coin out of your pocket and ask the other player for heads or tails and the winner plays first. If the other player wins the toss, GREAT ! Put the toss-coin back in your pocket and let the game BEGIN !. If YOU win the toss, no problem, casually put the toss-coin in the play to make it 13 coins :) and let the game BEGIN !.

@klausbrinck2137

Жыл бұрын

Very cunning! You, sir, own the art of diplomacy...!

@Rolan7196

Жыл бұрын

The epitome of "Heads I win, tails you lose"!

Periodically this comes back round in my recommendations, and every time for 6 years it frustrates me that Matt never demonstrated beating Dr Nim using the equaliser paddle...

the fact that this thing is technically classified as a computer fucking amazes me

@Mabufu381

7 жыл бұрын

John Gaquin technically, computers was just the name for dedicated mathematicians, who were trained to process equations. The computing machine took its name from their role. So theres another thing that used to be classed as a computer; people. #themoreyouknow

@eideticex

7 жыл бұрын

That's because we throw around computer with absolutely no specificity. What you used to watch this video is a general purpose computer. Inside of it however is an example of a more specialized computer: the graphics card. it is a whole computer unto itself but ill suited for general purpose computing due to it's high degree of focus on vector based calculus. In printers you can find highly specialized computers that require massive reworking to be recognized in the same vein as an ordinary desktop computer and I'm not talking cosmetic changes. This computer is specialized in solving one specific equation. As such it's simple enough that you can easily see how it works with only elementary arithmetic and rudimentary mechanical knowledge.

@MrBackSTARR

7 жыл бұрын

this isn't just a computer this is perfect gaming AI

@gusrussell8784

6 жыл бұрын

John Gaquin Its most definitely a computer. Not a complex one, but one nonetheless.

@petey9232

13 күн бұрын

A computer that uses gravitational potential energy rather than electrical energy.

The levels of video editing is unreal on this on. (Multiple Camera Angles and Text Overlay WOOT!!!)

@standupmaths

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I do what I can. Probably spent too long on the text overlay. And one day I'll get a better second camera.

@wobblysauce

8 жыл бұрын

+standupmaths The anticipation at @9:50, flicks the equalizing paddle, and does not give a play through.

@Anvilshock

8 жыл бұрын

+tejasviization Worlds better than Haran's nauseating wannabe MTV-style action zoom woobly cam.

@user-zb2st1he2c

7 жыл бұрын

tejasviization

And you didn't title the video "The Secret of NIM"?

@TheExplosiveGuy

4 жыл бұрын

Lol I was thinking of that too. That is one trippy movie for kids, I watched it recently during an acid trip and had my mind blown lol

@seancascanet3428

4 жыл бұрын

NIHM

@maulino4036

4 жыл бұрын

@@seancascanet3428 NIMH: national institute of mental health

@RainingOnMyParade

4 жыл бұрын

dang it I'm 6 months too late

@jacobw1780

4 жыл бұрын

He shouldn't have

i literally had a player in a DnD campaign use this to trick the BBEG out of a world destroying weapon... "I challenge the Warlock to a game of Nim" Warlock (me as DM) rolled a 1 and thus, the Warlock fell for it...and went first... Gotta say, it was a smart move from the party's Barbarian, who was the only one above 1/4 HP...if they had tried to fight it would have been a loss...

@lextatertotsfromhell7673

4 жыл бұрын

Dream Wolf liar, barbarians aren’t smart enough to know about this

@dreamwolf7302

4 жыл бұрын

@@lextatertotsfromhell7673 The Barbarian was a bit smarter than most, he was a professional gambler (sleezebag scammer) of course, whenever he lost his temper or lost a match, he just killed the winner...

@RainingOnMyParade

4 жыл бұрын

@@dreamwolf7302 omg thats amazing. I love it and want to do this in a campaign

@nicolamasiello2147

4 жыл бұрын

Cool

@teridactyl1250

4 жыл бұрын

Dream Wolf And the warlock accepted defeat?

So... to win when you go first, you discretely add a coin? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds an awful lot like cheating...

@iamchillydogg

7 жыл бұрын

Isn't playing with the knowledge that if you go second you are unbeatable cheating?

@finn_underwood

7 жыл бұрын

iamchillydogg The game itself isn't inherently rigged. When players use a strategy that never fails, it's not cheating, it's just simple strategy. They aren't changing or breaking rules.Just taking advantage of a winning maneuver. Like going against someone in Tic-Tac-Toe, but they have an actual strategy while you're just randomly filling in boxes. If they win, its because they had a better strategy, not because they were cheating. At least, that's my perspective on it. As long as both players can agree on and follow established rules, anything goes, provided it doesn't break those rules. When being taught the game, the new player would learn that there are twelve coins, and thus it becomes one of the foundation rules. Adding an extra coin is breaking said rule.

@iamchillydogg

7 жыл бұрын

+Finn Underwood Knowing the second player always wins is the definition of rigging.

@finn_underwood

7 жыл бұрын

iamchillydogg Rigging isn't necessarily cheating. Besides, this version doesn't break any rules. It could be called strategy in a court of law, and it would have a fair shot of getting out scott free, if you compare it to adding the coin. One of these tactics is subtle, one is not. Adding the coin makes it go from a strategic misdirection and manipulation into downright cheating and lying. Note: I am going off of MY definition of cheating, which is simply breaking rules of a game. Having a strategic advantage is permitable if no rules or regulations are broken. It's not really fair, no; it's playing dirty. Playing dirty is frowned upon, sure, but it isn't breaking any rules.

@curtisbrown547

7 жыл бұрын

the game is inherently unfair. trying to say that player 2 is using a "strategy" is nonsense. there is a right way to play the game as player 2 an a wrong way. it's utterly binary. on the other hand there is no correct way of playing player 1's role other than to quit. there is no strategy. there is litteraly correct an incorrect. thus player 2 is already cheating because if he is playing correctly player 1 can't win. no matter what happens. the presumption of playing a game is that you can win. if one player cannot win then that is cheating. if you say it is not cheating then it is not a game. thus if playing for money it is stealing. which is a form of cheating. if not being played for money well it's not longer a game so you can't say it's fairplay because it's not a game. it's a time waster. but it can be argued that your cheating people out of there time if they do not understand the player 2 = winner strategy

Wow, that is a really well-designed bit of plastic.

@niklasgransjen684

6 жыл бұрын

You could say... it's fantastic

@bazinga3160

6 жыл бұрын

Niklas Gransjøen how so?

@ziggityzoo9681

6 жыл бұрын

James Collier r/woooosh

@dingusonwheels8672

5 жыл бұрын

Hairline

@ossi4476

5 жыл бұрын

Niklas Gransjøen no... fanplastic

Nym is a character from Shakespeare, derived from an old word "nimmer" meaning "thief"

@OrangeShellGaming

3 жыл бұрын

...which comes from the old English word "to nim" meaning "to take", which is more likely what this game was named after.

@scepticusverisimillimenonm8450

3 жыл бұрын

In German, you say "Nimm!" For "Take!" ...

@SkippiiKai

2 жыл бұрын

@@scepticusverisimillimenonm8450 I really like candy, so I'd always lose this game because I'd always take two. :(

@klausbrinck2137

Жыл бұрын

@@scepticusverisimillimenonm8450 English derives from celtic but foremost, from german...

Thank you PBS Cyberchase for teaching me as a child how to beat this game.

@nicholasmachado3668

2 жыл бұрын

PBS children unite!

@salyluz6535

2 жыл бұрын

“🎶PBS Kids!🎶”

I had Dr. Nim as a kid!! The manual was the most detailed, text filled set of toy instructions I ever got (not including model instructions). If I'm remembering correctly, there was a section at the end of the manual which explained computer programming or the logic needed for one. I remember using that info and programming my own Dr. Nim game in HP Basic on a "time share" HP1000 computer. Oh, and, it was saved on lunched yellow paper tape that you had to reload to play.

@Roflmager

5 жыл бұрын

lol one of the comment replies linked a pdf version. I checked it out and got flashbacks to my math and computer science textbooks

@JeffFrmJoisey

5 жыл бұрын

Jimmy Yuan Hahahahahahaha!!

@Nicks_Pix

5 жыл бұрын

Must have been a real pain keeping that little bird fed that lived inside the machine (snicker - I used one of those as well)

@b0r0din988

5 жыл бұрын

i added the 256 like for the lols (and the binary) :)

@orbonds3603

4 жыл бұрын

I like pu**y but money comes first...willie d

Thank you for this explanation. I have a new proffession as a NIM gambler and have won alot of money using this strategy to outwit people on the playground, those year 7s will never see whats coming.

@sqeechysquuchy9076

5 жыл бұрын

Who says year 7’s

@ThomasFarquhar2

5 жыл бұрын

@@sqeechysquuchy9076 UK people

@smoog

5 жыл бұрын

Like you're allowed within 500 yards of a primary school.

@rehmmyteon5016

5 жыл бұрын

i'm year 7 and that's offensive. i know integral calculus

@zaeroses1096

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThomasFarquhar2 people in many more places than the UK. I'd imagine most English speaking countries, but I'm not sure. I know that in three out of the four countries I've lived in have been sorted into years like this.

I had Dr. Nim as a child in the 60s and like you I was fascinated by how it worked and the math behind it.

Cool! Didn't know there was a plastic verstion of nim. Back in the programming lectures at school we developed this game. It was meant as demonstration for us that AI's in games are not really AI's. In our version it were imaginary matchen wich the opponents have to get from the stack. That the "AI" not always wins, we put some randomness into the number it chooses to put the matches.

@mllive

3 жыл бұрын

S

Story of my life - getting beat by a 1950s plastic computer.

@Vitorruy1

6 жыл бұрын

okrajoe what is the story of your life?

@yourresume373

6 жыл бұрын

Vitorruy1 They just told you

@awawpogi3036

6 жыл бұрын

1960s*

@jessicas6475

6 жыл бұрын

1960

@ParkourMaster924

6 жыл бұрын

okrajoe 1960’s

channel named Stand-up Maths *sits down* me:CLICKBAIT

@navyntune8158

5 жыл бұрын

I got it

@romusa10

5 жыл бұрын

I got it too

@NN-sp9tu

5 жыл бұрын

I got it also

@hidere4581

5 жыл бұрын

I got it aswell

@themajordome4108

5 жыл бұрын

I got it either

Ah, a recommended video where is hair was still on top of his head instead of on his chin XD

@felipedeornelas8054

3 жыл бұрын

Which looks much worse

@compoflask6262

3 жыл бұрын

Dude lmao how is he supposed to control baldness, with a math trick?

@rezneba101

3 жыл бұрын

@@compoflask6262 Looks like he did actually try to control it.... not a good idea imo

2:20 "And just to rub it in, as it wins, it puts the lever back over to say it's now my go to suck." *awkward silence*

You could simply sum up the strategy in one single sentence: Make sure there's a multiple of 4 tokens on the table when it's your opponent's turn. The game was actually pretty popular with aging con men that didn't have the speed in their hands anymore to swindle money out of people with the three shell game. But the mechanical implementation is really awesome.

"You can tell it's 1960s America because there is a family having fun with guns in the background" My sides

@ketchup143

8 жыл бұрын

+IceNoob88 we haven't changed at all?

@RedHairdo

8 жыл бұрын

+ketchup143 Just a bit. Sadly.

@Izandaia

8 жыл бұрын

+IceNoob88 As much to the point: A WHITE family with guns in the background.

@Izandaia

8 жыл бұрын

+delton No, the picture of the family on the box is also racist. But while the Chinese caricature is racist specifically against Chinese people, the whitewashed family on the box is racist against everybody who's not white by implying that only this (semi) nuclear family of white, middle class people is the norm, and anything else is an aberration.

@Pattonator14

8 жыл бұрын

+Izandai so you want a family from each ethnic group printed one after the other? Get out. A single image does not suggest that its the norm.

After 5 years, this got recommended again. Welcome back Nim. I think I got it recommended for the stone game in SMT Strange Journey

This vid is recommended every year to me.

I remember playing a game like this with my second grade class called 21, where you could say one, two, or three numbers in a row, and whoever said 21 lost. So, for example, player one goes 1,2 then player two goes 3, player four goes 4, 5, 6. Then if someone had to say 21, they were out and we started again. The last person left won. I remember being very proud of myself for finding out the trick described in the video

@bobbobby9056

7 жыл бұрын

I played it to back in early 90s

@bobbobby9056

7 жыл бұрын

+bob bobby *too

@norinavalkyrie6654

7 жыл бұрын

Ive played it recently. Its called 21 dares. The loser has to do a dare.

@solidsnakeeathe

7 жыл бұрын

what if he said 20? what if somebody take 10/12 coins? I never knew about this game, just want to clarify this

@solidsnakeeathe

7 жыл бұрын

what if he said 20? what if somebody take 10/12 coins? I never knew about this game, just want to clarify this

To beat this, switch it back to your turn and just go again. Then declare computers will never be better than humans and viciously hammer and destroy the game board.

@obetcampos6585

6 жыл бұрын

Bits of Pulp this is the best.

@greenaum

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah but these things probably go for a fortune on Ebay, so you lose.

@waytogopaul5573

5 жыл бұрын

ez clap

yooooo, I remember watching this in 2017 but i forgot about it then I got it in my recommendations. thanks to my recommendations for resurfacing this treasure i lost

I'm glad this was in my recommended 5 years later. This is some cool stuff!

This was my data structures project. We make the game of Nim (take 1 or 2) with n number of marbles, the computer generates the decision tree for it, assigns values for each node, then makes a decision on its turn using the MinMax algorithm.

@standupmaths

8 жыл бұрын

Good work! It's a nice game to decision-tree as the optimal-play strategy is easy to follow.

@cryptexify

8 жыл бұрын

standupmaths This is particularly true for zero-sum games like Nim. What's interesting about the 1/2 version of Nim is that its tree has a number of nodes that increases according to the Fibonacci sequence (exponential growth in the numberof nodes) as you increase n, which is intuitive since you either take one ball and go one direction in the tree, or two balls and go in the other, so the number of nodes (let's call it V(n)) is: V(n) = V(n-1) + V(n-2) +1. And of course solving this gives you the closed formula for the Fibonacci sequence + a constant.

@happmacdonald

8 жыл бұрын

@standupmaths Relevant XKCD xkcd.com/832/

@happmacdonald

7 жыл бұрын

Rule #1 of XKCD club: every situation has a relevant XKCD. Congratulations on being one of today's 10,000 xkcd.com/1053/

@AshtonSnapp

7 жыл бұрын

Finian Blackett What is XKCD?

I swear to god i counted 13 coins at the start until you demonstrated then there were just 12

@juan120535

7 жыл бұрын

Mo cu AWP There are 13 at first.

@MrNex

7 жыл бұрын

At 5:24 the camera changes from 13 coins to 12

@spectrelex3051

7 жыл бұрын

Mo cu AWP same

@ahe7320

7 жыл бұрын

NexGenInsanity a

@LittleBlueTugBoat

7 жыл бұрын

Cringe Master 9000 I quadruple checked and i count 13

I think this game was the inspiration for creating the mini-game Honey Comb Havoc from Mario Party 2. Which by the way was so fun beating my friends and the CPU at it as I knew how to manipulate them to getting the bee hives.

Idk how many times I’ve seen this video pop up in my recommended tab over the past like 4 years

@mattjns

3 жыл бұрын

Same. Here we are again!......(I’m totally watching again)

1960's Game makers hate him!

@danielholowaty2648

6 жыл бұрын

Click to know how -->

Dr. Nim's AI is to OP, plz nerf

@temptica7982

5 жыл бұрын

xD It's not rainbow six siege or so xD

@justinmoody9784

5 жыл бұрын

I don’t know anything about this game other then what he explained but couldn’t you just release two balls immediately after each other so the ‘counter’ sees them as one balls, force the ‘computer’ to loose count. This way the computer will make all the moves to lose without knowing it. It’s a simple contraption and it seems that counting for this computer takes way to long, unless this is explicitly against the rules or the button is designed in a way to prevent this you should theoretically win every time

@fiftyplus2020

5 жыл бұрын

Justin Moody r/whoosh

@elcabrondeldariel2291

5 жыл бұрын

Sakurai Plz nerf

@hardbathsalts3143

5 жыл бұрын

@@justinmoody9784 he said "if you play by the rules you wil always lose." I havent read the manual, but id bet thats against the rules.

I loved this toy as a kid.... used it to do my math(s) homework! Ahh that rhythmic three-marble-drop sound of defeat brings back such feelings of failure.

"Luxury of going first" *laughs in plastic*

@stefanoatzeni9179

3 жыл бұрын

AHAHAHHAH

@paulstaker8861

3 жыл бұрын

"it's fantastic"

It's 3AM, not sleeping and what am I doing? I'm watching a video about a guy explaining the strategy of a game from the 60s and I'm enjoying it.

@hardstyledontstop356

5 жыл бұрын

Reny Putman I’m doing it right now

@Cyba_IT

5 жыл бұрын

Me too. Always find the most interesting stuff at 3am

@P3DR0877

5 жыл бұрын

Right lol

@magichands135

5 жыл бұрын

Reads this at exactly 3am

@michaelb4439

5 жыл бұрын

Well, the Dr. Nim automated version of Nim from the 60s, but the game itself is from the 1500s or (most likely) earlier.

NIM upside-down is WIN

@hellodownthere3763

7 жыл бұрын

backwards and upside-down

@confuzedgraphite

7 жыл бұрын

shawn wicks yes definitely NIM backwards is DEFINITELY win it's not like there's no w or anything

@hiiroji_5419

7 жыл бұрын

shawn wicks bro.... NIM backwards is MIN with a reversed N..... smh

@confuzedgraphite

7 жыл бұрын

Ethan Ho okay? What are you trying to get at? If you're saying it like a list, as in 'NIM upside down is win, the same is true if it's backwards' that's incorrect. Or if you're saying it as a movement, as in 'I flipped the letters in NIM backwards and then upside down.' It's still incorrect. If you flipped the letters in NIM in they will not spell win, not unless you had a mirror, but that's cheating.

@amandab5941

7 жыл бұрын

Ethan Ho, not backwards, just upside down. write it out and flip the paper.

I remember this video from a few years ago, I love watching it again

Thank you for syncing the placement of the marbles with the intro music. It made my brain feel good. 😌

Why does this keep appearing in my recommend list every few months? KZread keeps forgetting that I've seen this already. Does this happen to anybody else?

@mitchjohnson4714

5 жыл бұрын

Yes. KZread assumes I forgot I watched a video and tries to serve it up to me again. It’s so annoying.

@ethelegend27

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah me 2

@jochenstacker7448

5 жыл бұрын

You need to beat the game, or else it will keep popping up

@BestHakase

5 жыл бұрын

Press the menu button, select "not interested", "i saw this before"

@benjaminnewlon7865

5 жыл бұрын

Yep

PSA: It was patched last update :/

@thecommonfool2110

6 жыл бұрын

It works again after patch 1.56

@AlFredo-sx2yy

6 жыл бұрын

too op and game breaking, pls volvo fix

@limitlessbeast3867

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I missed those notes!

@uncle_lulu02

6 жыл бұрын

They updated their privacy policy

@bad_milk9743

6 жыл бұрын

Haxor inator sorry but in patch 2.7 there is a bug where dr. Nim doesn't go.

I never heard of this! Thank you very much for sharing. I enjoyed your video very much and also learned something new.

We used to play this game in primary school but we used to count instead of using marbles and the goal was to NOT say 21 (so it would be like playing this game with 20 marbles since the winning person needs to count to 20). I remember we used to always tell the other person to start first because if the other person started, it meant that you could count until 4, 8, 12, 16 and then at last count until 20 (so that the other person has to say 21 and loses). It quickly died out though because after a few months everyone knew the rule.

5:20 The mystery of the disappearing coin

@Mr.D.C.

8 жыл бұрын

6:43 oh there it is. Nice Magic trick Mr. Parker

Hi Matt, love your vids

@standupmaths

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I love your comments.

@taylorrobin8044

8 жыл бұрын

+standupmaths I loved your book too btw

@Fematika

8 жыл бұрын

And pi is better than tau. It is as simple as that.

@Fematika

8 жыл бұрын

Why? What if you want to find the area of a circle/sphere?

@Fematika

8 жыл бұрын

Yes, but all of the equations using tau, could you not just use 2*pi?

That was such an enjoyable video. Really clever and simple at the same time.

Yet again, the great algorithm delivers me a gem of an old video 👍

NIM upside down is WIN hmmmm...

@eodderby3166

5 жыл бұрын

I think you may have somthing there

@yopedip4048

5 жыл бұрын

hmmmmm

@dusty4102

5 жыл бұрын

It would be ‘WIN’ if you flipped it as well. Otherwise, NIM upside down would be NIW

@chewyhirai7166

5 жыл бұрын

HMMMMMMMM

@matthewreynolds8025

5 жыл бұрын

Just spin it 180

rotate NIM upside down and you get WIN

@TijmenvandenBogaert

8 жыл бұрын

+Simon opdebeeck Did you say COINcidence?

@CoconutJones_

8 жыл бұрын

+Formulka Also, if you rotate the NIM board upside down when you've finished a round, all the marbles will load themselves back into the top part, ready for the next game. Wins all round

@ryanzarmbinski7446

8 жыл бұрын

You've cracked the code!

@adampoultney8737

8 жыл бұрын

Illuminati confirmed

@JonasC22

7 жыл бұрын

but wont all the marbles fall out?

A slightly different version of this game is played in the 1961 French New Wave film Last Year at Marienbad. The character who plays it uses it as a sort of parlor trick, fascinating all his fellow aristocrats by his unmatched skill. It vaguely serves as a metaphor for this character's controlling and manipulative nature, but it's never demonstrated in the film that it's a hermetically sealed set of forcing moves determined from the outset, so it's very cool to see some of the mechanics behind it.

@ericdietz1795

7 ай бұрын

Roger Ebert liked the movie a lot more than I did; neither of us seem to have made much sense of the game.

So happy to see this funny and smarter-than-I-am video! I owned a Dr. Nim game when it was new and I was in 5th (and own one now). I've never noticed the guns! I loved the booklet as much as the game because I couldn't believe you could play it on paper to.

This seems like a board game you would find in an insane asylum

@epicboomshine6595

6 жыл бұрын

Cue Dr. Ashens staring into a numbers station broadcast with Tetris music while in a straitjacket.

@nightlydisaster5183

6 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t board games in an insane asylum try to help people become less insane?

@casadilla111

5 жыл бұрын

Or put you in one, really.

@edgeisloveedgeislife5439

5 жыл бұрын

Nah, the plastic pieces are too sharp for that.

@wintermagpie13

5 жыл бұрын

@@nightlydisaster5183 You'd think, but when I was in hospital one of the only board games in there was a game called "mind trap". Which i though was hilarious, despite the fact that it's very existence was making me paranoid.

In the mid-1960s, I got an Amazing Dr Nim for my birthday when I was about 8. It was my favorite toy! The manual is really good and gave eight year-old me a lot to think about.

I remember seeing a computer version of this Nim game using 21 "matches" (or any other item) where the object was the opposite - to force your opponent into having to take the last match. The strategy was the same, though.

Brilliant mechanic system. Great video

So this was the original dark souls?

@av0-cad03

7 жыл бұрын

tupe 12 XD

@everything9137

6 жыл бұрын

666 likes

@apokatastasian2831

5 жыл бұрын

Drop 1 ball *Mauled by cougar*

3:00 You're going to show us the secret of Nim?

@nutlet1

7 жыл бұрын

I guess it's dr.nim's go

@MagnusSkiptonLLC

7 жыл бұрын

The secret is there's really a super-intelligent mouse running it inside that's voiced by Eric Idle.

@slaydgaming1581

6 жыл бұрын

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@grantdoesanimation9490

6 жыл бұрын

Haha

@-Zippy2707

6 жыл бұрын

I belidva that the top 3 plastic things control it all. And that it always ends with the last peg open

I just kept staring at the insane combover.

@adudeisthebomb

3 жыл бұрын

Once I saw it I couldn’t unsee it

@condor2279

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know what he was thinking.

I remember this game from way back then. There was a hidden Easter Egg: If you tried to cheat the game, the levers bit your fingers.

seems like cheating adding another coin

@theaquaforcegal1067

7 жыл бұрын

Gustavo RockyTNT but they would want you to go first because they figured out the strategy. so now they are in the situation if you take 1 coin.

@supremecaffeine2633

7 жыл бұрын

Warange1x25 If it's a strategy it's not cheating.

@TreetopCanopy

7 жыл бұрын

Since it changes the game conditions, it's cheating. It is a sting, though, so it's normal.

@supremecaffeine2633

7 жыл бұрын

Joseph Engelhardt Changing the conditions of the game is cheating? Well shit, u better go tell weather not to fuck up sporting events. Once a person knows how the game works it only makes sense to trip them up.

@TreetopCanopy

7 жыл бұрын

"Weather may change" is part of outdoor sporting conditions. Slipping an extra coin in while the other player isn't looking is like deflating a football.

I remember having to find a way to code this is high school for a final exam, but we called it match sticks. We had to program different difficulties with the hardest being “impossible”, where the program always wins. Looking back I never knew it was anywhere near this deep

The slots on the red game board , which allow the marbles or what ever to roll in bring to mind the landscaping in Peru. All those drawings on the earth. Looks like huge dr. NIM game boards.

The first game I remember having when I was little in the 1960s - I had no idea what I was doing. I just liked playing with the marbles.

Now we know what the secret of nim is. *cricket sound* I'll just walk myself out.

@nychold

8 жыл бұрын

+Mihovil Beck I see what you did there.

@evknucklehead

8 жыл бұрын

+Mihovil Beck Mrs. Frisby would be so proud. Except for the (somewhat necessary) spelling difference...

@axelfirekirby

8 жыл бұрын

+Mihovil Beck LOL

@nychold

8 жыл бұрын

ErizotDread Excuse me, pardon me.

@ErizotDread

8 жыл бұрын

nychold lol...BRIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSBEEEEEEEEEEE...oh no, Auntie Shrew!

Nice save with the edit at 5:24. It was about to get awkward with 13 coins! :)

@mirrimiau

8 жыл бұрын

Also, love your videos! You are an inspiration to us all

@standupmaths

8 жыл бұрын

Ha, very well noticed! I had accidentally left my bonus coin on the table when setting up.

@David460

8 жыл бұрын

+Naksahtanut ha, I also noticed that but, by the time it got to the end I forgot :))))) good memory! P

@MrBob-bj6kk

6 жыл бұрын

Naksahtanu

@suomidude5707

6 жыл бұрын

Naksahtanut moi

Legitimately Well Edited

I saw this video years ago, but the algorithm thought I needed it again today. 🤷‍♂️👌

I have no idea why this was recommended but i watched it anyways for some reason.

Thank you for telling us the secret of nim

@killerkitten7534

5 жыл бұрын

Ha

@BigSkippy1263

5 жыл бұрын

I see what you did there.

@b4uc2far95

5 жыл бұрын

Nice!

@0x777

5 жыл бұрын

Came here for this comment. Wasn't disappointed.

@badcornflakes6374

5 жыл бұрын

An American classic just like the board game

Nice touch, casually placing the marbles into place to the beat of your intro theme. It's the little details which are so easily overlooked, but you do them anyway.

Still waiting for that video on multi-pile NIM by the way

If you're gambling using this strategy and have to put down a 13th coin so you'll win, you'll get murked by your opponent.

@romusa10

5 жыл бұрын

Hey you set the rule so you can go second, if they want to change the rule,you can also do it. Besides,if the opponent dont know the secret,you can still win even tho you go first

@JamesKaplonek

4 жыл бұрын

Just add more coins, so using 21. Let them choose to go first, or if you do. Start off slightly differently by only taking 1 at a time and at some point along the way, just ensure that the remaining coins are a multiple of 4 (4, 8, 12, 16) at the end of one of your turns. Then revert back to using the strategy explained here and you will always win! If they try to outsmart you and say "Ok then whoever takes the last one LOSES not wins" then you can say alright, and do exactly the same but make sure that at the end of your turns the remaining coins are a multiple of 4 plus 1 (5, 9, 13, 17) and then again fall back to watching what they take and always make that up to 4 on your turn. Then you can force them to always take the last coin instead of you taking it. The only danger with that is that if they found out your strategy then they will be able to block you from reaching those multiples, but by this point you've probably played them so many times you can just call it off first or let them win once for the sake of it :D Simple and no cheating :D

Basically for a tl;dr Make them go first, make sure 4 marbles/pennies/whatever are taken after you go, being sure 4 are taken after both players go. Do this and you win every time.

@davidbethke5463

6 жыл бұрын

This might have been clearer if he had used 4 red marbles, 4 blue marbles, and 4 green ones. Then you'd really see how Nim leaves the "board" at the end of his turns.

@xilo_infinite7445

5 жыл бұрын

Dam i don't think your speaking English

@sahibmujabee1177

5 жыл бұрын

UnKnOwN player59 ironic

@bhatkrishnakishor

5 жыл бұрын

David Bethke useful for teaching kids multiples.

@KatorNia

5 жыл бұрын

@UnKnOwN player59 -Dam- *Damn* -i- *I* (capital "i") -your- *you're* Add a full stop (period) at the end & you're all set. _I guess you're not speaking English either...?_ ;)

I worked out how to win this game every time when I was 9. I have always loved working out things like this.

That really takes me back: We had Dr. Nim growing up in the '60s, along with Digi-Comp I, another plastic educational toy by the same manufacturer (E.S.R., Inc.) that was more like a programmable computer. I think we might also have had a Digi-Comp II. I had started reading Martin Gardner's columns in Scientific American around that time. It was pretty clear that I was going into computer science even then...

Does this still apply to patch 2.0.17 ?

@humanrightsviolation7987

7 жыл бұрын

No, this has been hotfixed apparently. Supposedly, there's someone else who claims they've been doing something similar on the PTR, so we'll have to see once that goes live.

my first experience with this game was in Tales of Phantasia on the GBA. computer always picked a random number and would let you pick who goes first, or something. basically giving you the ability to beat him if you were smart enough.. but the game was also timed, so you had to do the math quick. loved it.

Would love to see a follow up on the 5-year anniversary of this video! Maybe talking about the multi-pile nim strategies?

My friend had one of these back in the day. I'm sure it was old back then. I'd used an Apple II but not many people had one of their own - although I wanted one - and I remember pondering the concept of whether Dr Nim was really a "computer."

it's not a piece of plastic from the 60s it's THE piece of plastic from the 60s

@maxmustermann-ie6ic

7 жыл бұрын

Jhet_writes But is it - ThePlastic27?

@silverglxtch

7 жыл бұрын

max mustermann dead

@maxmustermann-ie6ic

7 жыл бұрын

DasherMega1// xXDarkRoyalsXx Dont care.

@silverglxtch

7 жыл бұрын

max mustermann ok

@TheRedEncryption

6 жыл бұрын

LUL

This reminds me of an episode of "Cyberchase."

@RaulDiaz-mp8ms

7 жыл бұрын

One of the first few episodes. The dragons right?

@RaulDiaz-mp8ms

7 жыл бұрын

Nathan Applegate The best theme.

@nathanapplegate5374

7 жыл бұрын

Yes. It was a Japanese Samurai themed episode

@snugglehyena9171

7 жыл бұрын

the shangra la one right?

@rockerseven

7 жыл бұрын

OMG I loved that show!

This was the "game" my engineering class (40 years ago) got introduced into computers (it was the time when computers were just at the beginning, you know). At first, nobody had a clue how to tackle that program. I spend a day writing series of the game until i realized a pattern and then realized the power-of-two-structure behind it (the engineering way to solve problems, as it is). It was very inspiring :D

That was far more interesting than I expected!