You can check out the original salt water test here! kzread.info/dash/bejne/qK2IrsWsp726ZpM.html

Of course the MagnaCut outperforms the 20CV in the edge retention test, it had a duller edge to begin with. Edge loss is not linear, it tapers off as the edge angle becomes greater.

@MrNiceKnife

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, they both should have been set at 20 degrees for a true comparison.

@whhitestallion

Жыл бұрын

Since they’re the same company I bet they’re the same angle. I think they should’ve resharpened them though as close as they could to make them match on the edge tester.

@whhitestallion

Жыл бұрын

I think we would’ve seen the same result roughly anyway

@knivessportsandadventures9523

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly why I do a standardized sharpening routing on knives before I test edge retention on my channel.

@craigb834

Жыл бұрын

See Cedric and Ada's page for a real comparison of steels, not this marketing team derived rubbish. Maybe use the brains you were given to understand knives and the steels they are made from and how they will work for YOU, not some douchey BHQ star of today to rig tests to sell the new fire.

Entertaining video, but really flawed methods. Submerged steel rusts slower than exposed, wet steel. And a sharper starting edge will lose ground faster than a not-so-sharp starting edge.

@strwf

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same exact thing

@laurelrunlaurelrun

Жыл бұрын

Which I believe was a criticism on the original video as well. Leave those fuckers out in the bushes for a month after salting them up.

@johobo2038

Жыл бұрын

This would be a more controlled test. In the bush has no controls. All these steels were done the same so at least it’s a comparison.

@johobo2038

Жыл бұрын

I do agree on the edge retention test. They’d really need to be sharpened a few times the same way score testing started to even make it close.

@JayK-cz5bo

Жыл бұрын

We should have asked you first

Did Larrin say that MagnaCut "rivals H1"? On his corrosion chart, H1 is 10/10, MagnaCut is 9.5/10, and 20CV is 9. Also note that factory edges are not great indicators of ultimate edge retention. They should be sharpened a few times to both ensure angles and get down to fresh steel. Otherwise, good video.

@tydshiin5783

9 ай бұрын

This, they say it's hand sharpened but never mention that it is done with a fast belt grinder that's likely to make it not as hard(From the heat) for the first one or two sharpening sessions(Depending on how much material you take out) and it'll get to the right hardness after that

I like these kinds of vids. It’s making me want to actually invest in the super steels. Sometimes I don’t see them as worth it, but when I actually can see the performance it makes me think differently.

@christolley4946

Жыл бұрын

If looking at super steels absolutely do not rule out Vanax 37. Easily an equal competitor to Magnacut and that's a statement

@jeffhicks8428

11 ай бұрын

@@christolley4946 Magnacut is a totally different paradigm. It not only has half the chromium yet is just as stainless, it also gets harder, has finer grain structure, and maybe most critically is tougher and thus less likely to fail at the edge. Magnacut is in a class of one at this stage.

@LD-bf1mi

10 ай бұрын

Biased to the max… terrible.

I'm actually super impressed with the D2! I expected it to be absolutely DESTROYED - but that wasn't too bad. I'll find rust spots on D2 after being in my pocket for 6 hours lol

@mikewatkins5535

Жыл бұрын

Agree

@austinschuster3669

Жыл бұрын

I’ve never found a single one of my d2 knives to rust easily in the past. I swim with them and carry in my waist band in sweatpants playing volleyball and still have never had issues with rust on D2 knives.

@dangermouse9494

Жыл бұрын

Spot and surface rust. That is an easy clean. I find rust on my D2 is like rust on cast iron cooking. Easy to clean, easy to take care of.

@grattof

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. I'm impressed too

@larryzielinski7067

Жыл бұрын

I've had a Kershaw leek with d2 blade for 8 years as my truly every day carry and its never had any rust. I do live in Northern Nevada though and the humidity here is usually in the teens, or on a humid day it may get to 30%.

I grabbed one of the Magnacut exclusive White River FC 3.5's. Can't wait to get using it. Well balanced steel.

Just an observation, it appears that your rust may be coming from liners, pivots, and hardware as none of the blades seem to have rust near the tips ( the most deeply submerged area and most involved in test). Just a thought : )

@TeensierPython

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, far from good testing procedures. Oh well.

Really cool and entertaining video. Great idea to repeat that corrosion test like the old days.

Enjoyed this video. It’s good to see George and the crew found their BladeHQ groove. I do have one request in future videos though. It would be great if these KZread videos offered sneak peeks into upcoming knife releases. That practice seems to have fallen off the radar completely. Is BladeHQ providing these release notifications somewhere else? If so, where? I haven’t noticed them on Instagram either.

I don't usually pay much attention to latest greatest super steels, but did order my first knife in MC for the heck of it for fun.

Cool test by the BHQ team! Think it would have been a little more controlled and just overall better if you guys had removed the hardware and scales and just put the blade in the water solo. Wouldn't have probably caused as much overlap on the surface corrosion that was apparent on steel liners/hardware. Also would have been cool to see a higher carbon content steel, something that isn't stainless/partially stainless just for the hell of it. But overall very cool video, love these testing type of content videos so keep em' coming George and BHQ🤌💪

were the knives de-greased before the corrosion test. you might have only been testing the oil on the knives.

The D2 was very impressive.

That d2 really doesn’t look very bad. Lol.

@clintwestwood3539

Жыл бұрын

Chinese d2 is insane nowadays. Under 100$ is one of the best if you don’t need lots of toughness If you do, 14c28n is still better.

@talisikid1618

3 ай бұрын

It rusted at the edges. Not good.

All looked like light surface corrosion on the blaces. No structural compromises. All great contenders at different price points. Really enjoying my Dirk Pinkerton Customs Fire Ant in MagnaCut!

@Sophocles13

4 ай бұрын

Pinkerton is great. I got a Kizer Pinkerton Lancer fixed blade. I love the small handle/big blade combo. Makes it super easy to carry.

Hogue Deka is renowned for being much too low HRC / too soft with their Magnacut... amazing it still won edge retention LOL but it shows how good Magnacut is that it's still pretty good even when it is screwed up.

I really expected better testing procedures from Blade HQ; This is just another example of how easy it is to manipulate test result to fit your argument or sales pitch..

Just ordered a BR fin and bone in Magna Cut. We shall see for ourselves soon enough. One of the best kept secrets is where does BR source it's blades from and how good is the heat treat? This knife will not see salt water but it will see beef and pork roasts along with turkey. I did not have a good boning knife for the kitchen and I wanted one that would not take a lot of maintenance. I have good fillet knives and normally use my kitchen knives for butchering deer anyway. White pinecone with natural liners, my brother in law will probably want to cut the turkey up this November.

I love my MC Tactile Rockwall .... Waiting for the BHQ Kershaw 4 Magnacut arrive.

@chipe420

Жыл бұрын

i check that page every single day. phone and email notifications on. lol

You need oxygen to really form the oxidation (rust) so blades should be exposed to air for a while after submersion.

after using it for about couple months, the edge retention seems to me be more akin to s35vn, i think itll be great as an outdoor knife steel, edc not really, i prefer high retention in edc

My fav steel is still a toss between lc200n or cts xhp.

@projectfarm You got a nice shout-out. We're gunna test that!

I was there in 1983...water level was a bit higher. Even had a river down Main Street and 13th South in SLC.

More of these videos please

Another reason they might've got rust on the spine, the abrasive they used wasn't new and had been used on carbon steel and then impregnated the magnacut spine. Honestly I'm impressed with the d2! I figured that would've been pitted and unfixable

Would have liked to see one other test. Sharpening. Could have taken the knives that lost their edge; and sharpened them to see how easy is it to get the edge back. Also, could you get it sharper than out-of-the-box?

@jonathans2281

Жыл бұрын

^agreed

@carlodanger8187

Жыл бұрын

It sharpens very well

At first l wasn't impressed with Magnacut at 60/61 HRC... But after getting some at 63/64 it is definitely my favorite steel I know at 60/61 magnacut should be tougher But my 63/64 seems to be tougher!! Definitely a good bit better edge retention!! For everyone saying 60/61 hrc And 63/64 hrc doesn't make that much of a difference in magnacut It definitely does!!

I was there in 1983, just a couple of years after the Saltair III opened, and it was in the lake! Love the channel, guys, but it’s not good for my bank account.

I tested a butter knife against my Magnacut ZT 0452CF and the butter knife won based on % of edge retention lost. :)

Nice shoutout to project farm. I see you're a man of culture as well.

The edges are both destroyed, the percent isn't really meaningful as the edge deterioration isn't linear but asymptotic and not from the same starting point. But I liked the salt test 👍

@cameroncarlson6901

Жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was trying to say but you worded it better

@hellsing56666

Жыл бұрын

@@cameroncarlson6901 oh thanks! English isn't my mother tongue so it's not always easy to find the right vocabulary

I know that I absolutely luv my Demko Knives Magnacut FREEREIGN; it absolutely "ROCKS!!!" Awesome Video! :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)

Actually D2 is considered a stainless steel, just on the lower end of corrosion resistance in comparison to others. Stainless steel is exactly what it sounds like, Stains Less. Not Stain Proof.

Will you restock Civivi elementum dessert warrior?

My favorite, CPM3V!

Need equal edges too start

@einundsiebenziger5488

9 ай бұрын

... to* start.

I need magnacut screwdriver bits. Ph1, ph2, T6, T8, and I guess small and large flatheads

@elevationmoto6208

Жыл бұрын

No kidding! I want a MagnaCut file that can hang around in my often wet toolbox without getting rusty. And a ratchet with MagnaCut internals, tough, wear resistant, and corrosion proof.

@Zero_8347

Жыл бұрын

@@elevationmoto6208 a file would be pretty cool, how about channel locks, crescent wrench, and pipe wrench. And just to make em fancy, titanium handles

Guess I've seen this episode before with Ben. Haha, just kidding, this test is realistic.I like it

Wow, I want a couple🎉❤😊

What steels are liners made out of?

@MoswenMedia

11 ай бұрын

Most are 420J

Can we get a single edge microtech in MAGNACUT

Seemed to be a lot of focus on the 'action' for the non-magnacut knives but the magnacut knife was a fixed blade.... Seems like a pretty poor comparison from that perspective. Seems like you'd want three knives from the same manufacturer with the various steels (shouldn't be had to come by these days) and the same style of knife (e.g., folders or fixed blades). Let's compare apples to apples, not apples to pears 🧐. Otherwise, interesting video....

@einundsiebenziger5488

9 ай бұрын

... shouldn't be hard* to come by ...

Those coordinates are almost 1,200 miles away... I'm not gonna make it in time. 😅

@BladeHQ

Жыл бұрын

You've got this! -George

@Pluggernaught

Жыл бұрын

​@@BladeHQ I can't get it paused in time to see the damn coordinates.😢😢😢😢 Or I'd be all over that. I'm really close to the lake.

Good hiding spot👍

Only sad part is that a bunch of us don't live anywhere near Utah.

I dont understand the mention of rubbing the rust off, it doesn't mean the metal it ate away to exist is no longer an issue or anything

Has anyone figured out where the knives are ?

Still waiting for the new exclusive Kershaw launch

No Magna Cut Folder? Why

From different knife makers... Could there be a difference in quality of the steel when labeled as Magnacut?

@retardno002

Ай бұрын

Yes, maybe the composition of the base steel will be the same, but the heat treatment and edge geometry will matter more than alloy in any practical application and will vary between manufacturers. They sometimes vary between knife models depending on blade length, smaller blades tend to be heat treated to higher HRC.

Dont get too exited about the edge on edge tester ,got the pt 50 for my knifes. Had to cut a broken reinforced lightning cable so took my magnacut knife ,Actanonverba a100, and got to it, needed 3times at full force to get trough so tested for fun my cheap 8cr15 knive which goesnever below 400 as much as sharpen it and it cut trough like butter. Then tested all my knives on it ,was curious know, and the supersteels ,m390,elmax ,nitrov and so on failed despite being in the 200 to 300 in the edgeon measure and the ones cutting trough with one go and a bit of force where the " bad steels " , namely 420hc, 440c , 8cr15. , and 420. So ispend a fortune on that tester to get results in real life who have no rellation to it.

@retardno002

Ай бұрын

If you sharpened the knives yourself there is a good chance you're not using very good sharpening stones which have trouble removing material from the super steels. Your comment isn't the most eloquent but if I understand correctly you get better sharpness results with soft steels. Try a diamond plate for your super steels.

I really hope we get a Paramilitary 2 and Para 3 in Magnacut soon. I lost my knife at a damn airport and need a new one soon. But I really want Magnacut Would be great if you guys can reach out to Spiderco for news haha

@glassmw9823

9 ай бұрын

I believe the PM2 magnacut is available for purchase

@imopn

9 ай бұрын

@@glassmw9823 Yeah saw they teased it in their reveal flier. BladeHQ has it for pre order but jeez they doing their best to make them as unattractive as possible. That yellow and black scales mist be the ugliest scales ever. Was hoping they would at least have something a bit more premium. Also kinda bummed the Para 3 is just the lightweight version so can't even go and pimp it with some flytanium scales.

@glassmw9823

9 ай бұрын

@@imopn I think they’ve also got the solid black version, blade and handle, of the PM2. Agree with you on the PM3.

In order to test properly................You need to spray the salt/water agent on the blade and then let the blade air dry.......... and then repeat. Letting the blade air dry allows oxygen and corrosive agent to corrode the metal.

The D2 did super great with corrosion considering non-stainless. Black nitride all the steel. Corrosion is over valued. The edge needs sharpened enough just from use.

I'm a simple man. I see magnacut I click.

"Absolutely destroyed!" Knife works and rust wipes off...

@Izolacija

6 ай бұрын

That D2 is a winner!

I'm certain it's a great steel. I just don't need a super (hard to sharpen) steel.

Magnacut beats the rest overall. And that’s what most of us want. We want the best all round material.

Why would you race to complete the testing? Thought the point was to be controlled and try to change as few variables as possible. Oh well. Looks like you had fun though.

Has someone picked up the knife?

Quoting project farm earned an instant like

Does anyone cut anything with their knives outside of paper and cardboard?

@elevationmoto6208

Жыл бұрын

Plastic which encloses the sandwiches I buy in the break room. Zipties which are often wrapped around metal pipes. Black electrical tape wrapped around metal cylinders. Fingernails. Thread. Enjoy carrying out these boring tasks with a tool much better than required.

@PrinceAsmodeus

Жыл бұрын

@@elevationmoto6208 I'm with ya

Provo Utah, not gonna make that one from KY

Father George has returned!

@BladeHQ

Жыл бұрын

As has my noble night, Sir JP! -George

Im happy my heretic colossus came with magnacut. It soo thick.

Gonna show how rust affects the locks and then pull out the fix blade on the steel you are trying to sell

Did anyone find it yet? I went and looked and found nothing. Hints? ❤

That’s more of a “office test” than a field test…..

There is not a more useless application for a supersteel than in an OTF switchblade knife. An OTF is a weapon, made to stab people, it just needs to be pointy and not even particularly sharp. Supersteels are to shine when the knife is used as a tool, to cut all sorts of tough or hard material repeatedly over a long time.

@nicehandsfeet11

8 ай бұрын

OTF work great for cutting tasks. They’re not just for stabbing. the dagger blade is very convenient for a lot of cutting tasks and you never touch the blade when operating so it’s safer and one-handed and ambidextrous.

People slept on maxamet. In real life ive found concerns about corrosion and brittleness to be overstated. I dont use my knife as a screw driver nor dive in salt water. Maxamet stays sharp wayyy longer than any of these steels bc it is much harder. Yall making it more complicated than it is.

That's all nice and stuff, but why has it been 6weeks for my kershaw OTF knife??? Still no movement. When can I expect to receive this knife I've ordered? Som bitches

Now soak them in white vinegar for 24 hours

I think magnacut steel will take too long to sharpen and that should be a factor.

Nice commercial for Larrin. I hope he paid you guys well.

I think the Final Boss test would be using only the Spyderco Salt series with the H1, H2, LC200n & Magnacut to see who the true winner is.

I hear project farm, i upvote

A sharper knife will be dull faster,D2 is not bad as you think

I'd encourage everyone to watch the recent videos from Guy over at Survive Knife before buying any Magnacut. He has proof of the junk Magnacut sheets. They are trying to sweep it under the rug. To many knife shills playing along with this. Lets get to the bottom of this!

you would have gotten alot more rust alot faster if you just sprayed it with salt water at let it dry a few times

@einundsiebenziger5488

9 ай бұрын

... a* lot* (...) and* let it dry ...

better than 15v?

20cv and s45v have better edge retention than magnacut. Idc what anyone says.

This thumbnail is way way too similar to another video about magna cut. I literally did not process that this was the video I was looking for for like 30 seconds. There's got to be another knife that says magnacut to take a picture of

You really threw them on the ground to be found? Lol cool

Welp I guess my ProTech Strider with Magnacut is even more special than I thought!😁

Wouldn't it have been better to have a spray bottle of salt water and spray it down every once in a while?

Why didn't you guys sharpen the knives to the same level of sharp with identical grind angles to start with? It is always easier to lose a finer edge than a blunt one and the losses are exponential not linear, so a percentage comparison is a bit of a joke.

DOCTOR LARRIN THOMAS to you!!!

Science strikes again!

Yo I live in Utah to

@einundsiebenziger5488

9 ай бұрын

... in Utah,* too*.

first of all, 20cv is not one of the greatest giants in edge retentions 09:55 , second of all hogue is an outlier for an edge retention test because most manufacturers are currently heat treating magnacut to 60-62 and hogue has committed to 63+, which according to our friend and local expert Dr. Thomas, magnacut at 60-62 is going to have similar edge retention to properly heat treated D2, do that test again but with a microtech and get back to me :) - also to clarify my initial statement, m390 officially has a middling level of edge retention, especially compared to steels like s90v maxamet rex121 just to name a few..m390 is a giant in its corrosion resistance, and im shocked that despite being friends with Dr Larrin Thomas you all continue to act like 20cv/m390 is some edge retention titan....not that you will read this comment anyways

I found it

A blade might get dull faster if it is sharper.

It's Mickey's mouse testing, who cares if a knife is covered in salt. It matters for a divers knife, not much else. Try cutting grass bar stock and digging into sand that would be interesting.

Sharpness test is honestly the most unscientific thing I have seen in a while. Seriously, you have so many variables that you cannot even base a loose hypothesis on this. At least the video was semi entertaining.

@BladeHQ

Жыл бұрын

LOL, I'm glad you found it entertaining. We called it a field test instead of a lab test for that reason. CATRA testing is far more scientific, and it shows 20CV having slightly superior edge retention. Thanks for watching! -George

@jaysgood10

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. If Bill Nye were dead, he would be rolling in his grave. 😅

Magnacut, like all other steels, is only as good as its heat treat. Manufacturers shortchanging their heat treat and only getting 61-62 HRC aren’t doing it justice. Magnacut’s best in the 63-64 HRC range.

@kpfagerberg

Жыл бұрын

I’ve wondered how many companies will slap magnacut on a blade just to sell more of them. I’ll wait until it’s tested more and properly heat treated. Spyderco tends to do a great job with their stuff. A magnacut delica or para 3 would be great

@craigb834

Жыл бұрын

@@kpfagerberg Pretty much all of them eventually. That's pretty much what is happening already, just look at Protech. Heck, they even showcase it with Hogue. No thanks, I will stick with my 1st gen 20CV Deka, that is still G10 and has too many screws in it so it stays together like you expect.

@MountainLife1

Жыл бұрын

I've got Bark River Magna-Cut, and it will definitely take a patina. They supposedly get it treated to 62, so this would fit right in with what you are saying. The heat treatment makes the difference in how the steel performs in all areas.

This is why I buy from blade hq

@BladeHQ

Жыл бұрын

👊 YES! We Love It!

@craigb834

Жыл бұрын

This why I watch BHQ videos and buy from GPknives or KnifeWorks or.....

I doubt the lock is d2

The bottom line, is that “super” is really worth the money unless you just want it. It never will be. You can’t justify it, but you don’t really have to. You can open boxes with any of them. Thanks for the video

@kpfagerberg

Жыл бұрын

Very true. Some good ol Buck 420 is just fine. Or my Swiss Army knives for cutting hotdogs or boxes.

@craigb834

Жыл бұрын

You got that right. I still am impressed with the edge I can get on my Kershaw Link in 420HC. That things sharpens to a level nothing else I have can. So what I have to sharpen it more often. I enjoy doing it and I would still do it with Magnacut as I have OCD and I am broke.