Having Israel attend the Peace Summit says it all about western leaders.

@Madelro100

10 күн бұрын

Ridiculous

@kofferfischii

10 күн бұрын

They have been a part of peacemaking.

@786Plotinus

10 күн бұрын

Straight up!

@ikowaru

8 күн бұрын

Ahahaha, true!

@norbertgeorge

8 күн бұрын

Israel's distorted trackrecord at home: 1937: Haifa massacre 1937: Jerusalem massacre 1938: Haifa massacre 1939: Balad Al Sheikh massacre 1939: Haifa massacre 1947: Haifa massacre 1947: Abassiya massacre 1947: Al-Khisas massacre 1947: Bab Al-Amud massacre 1947: Jerusalem massacre 1947: Sheikh Bureik massacre 1948: Tantura massacre 1948: Jaffa massacre 1948: Deir Yassin massacre 1956: Khan Yunis massacre 1967: Jerusalem massacre 1982: Sabra al-Shatila massacre 1990: Al Aqsa massacre 1994: Ibrahim mosque massacre 2002: Jenin refugee camp massacre 2008: Gaza massacre 2012: Gaza massacre 2014: Gaza massacre 2018: Gaza massacre 2021: Gaza massacre 2023 - ongoing: Gaza genocide

Mearsheimer is a master of cognitive empathy, or the ability to understand another person’s perspective or mental state. Putin is doing nothing different from what any Western country, including the US, would be doing if facing the same issues, and Putin seems far more restrained than Western leaders.

@user-vp1vl6yp9t

7 күн бұрын

Westerners are Christians and follow Jesus that do what Jesus said and not Jesus did. So, the rest of the world must follow Americans that do what Americans say and not Americans do.

@aaronsmyth7943

6 күн бұрын

Europe is not Cuba.

@moderneurope

6 күн бұрын

Dude he just killed Navalny.

@alisach.3014

5 күн бұрын

@@moderneurope Thats just another western propaganda. Navalny over the last few years of his life had garnered himself a really bad reputation in Russia for constantly trying to cause... lets call them disturbances. And by that I mean the scale of "black lives matter" in America. Not to mention the masive tex evasion that put him in jail to begin with. Stuff like that just happens in jail sometimes. Hasnt Gonzalo Lira died in a similar fasion in Ukranian prison?

@user-ow6bq9mm4i

3 күн бұрын

great speech, russian bot

Прошу заметить, что жители Донецкой и Луганской областей с оружием в руках доказывают свое желание стать частью России. По мимо этого Жители Крыма, Донецка и Луганска подтверждали свой выбор быть с Россией, с помощью высокой явки на голосовании по изменению конституции, на выборах Президента РФ, а также своим участием в прочих электоральных процессах. Такой же путь пройдут и жители Херсонской и Запорожской областей. Поэтому требование о так называемых "независимых референдумах" по поводу статуса этих областей будет отвергнуто, как текущей властью России, так и большинством граждан.

@amparogonzalezalvarez2295

8 күн бұрын

Це розширить територію без вогню з фронту приблизно на 300 км, щоб Херсон і ЗП залишалися Укр, але в складі РФ🙂‍↔️

@moderneurope

6 күн бұрын

В стране медведей и водки ледяной, Скрыта история нации, некогда могучей и смелой. С богатой историей и будущим ярким, Но теперь кажется, что она блуждает в темноте. От царей до комиссаров, за властью гнались, Но свобода и справедливость? Эти ценности упустили. Они вернулись к тёмному прошлому вновь, Где инакомыслие встречается с тишиной, а критики не доживают. «О, Мать Россия!» - поэты когда-то пели, Но теперь на улицах раздается страшный грохот. Оковы и цепи, голоса подавлены, В стране, где свобода слова никогда не выражена. Когда-то запускали ракеты, к звездам стремились, А теперь вернулись к старым привычкам, обратно за решетку. Как будто забыли сценарии Толстого и Чехова, Обменяв прогресс и мир на циничный сюжет. Шпионы и скандалы, интриги такие густые, Это как смотреть пьесу по трюку Достоевского. Но эта трагикомедия, с ее поворотами и изгибами, Оставляет нацию в пепле, пока демократия горит. Так поднимем бокал, за страну в печали, Где вчерашняя мечта стала завтрашним упадком. Смеясь и плача, мы наблюдаем и видим, Как Мать Россия потеряла свое величие. С лидерами, которые цепляются за прошлое, В мире, который идет вперед, их хватка холодеет. Для светлого будущего они должны порвать с прошлым, И найти новый путь, где их свобода будет длиться.

"you have to give something to the ukrainians for fighting so bravely" lady....that isn't how losing a war works lol. The germans defended berlin bravely, no consolation prize was given.

@spazthespasticcolonel1054

8 күн бұрын

Other than the Marshall Plan, rehabilitation of war criminals, rearmament, reunification... This is now a Monty Python scene. She actually has enough historical perspective to question the wisdom of rearming Germany - maybe cut her some slack.

@SegzWithTedCruz

7 күн бұрын

@@spazthespasticcolonel1054 Fair enough

@moderneurope

6 күн бұрын

Z stands for Zombies

A very civil dialogue but 2 years too late. Now I am with the Realist….too much water under the bridge, too many lives lost and destroyed because of lack of implementation on Minsk 2 it seems

@martinwagner7361

9 күн бұрын

Absolutely. NOW with all these highly poisoned East/West relationships Ukraine is truly lost as Russia is determined to go "all in" Till this Winter almost all of Ukraine's power stations will be destroyed and if Trump is winning as all polls and Biden's dramatic recent Decline suggest then we will see a real Chain reaction of Events in the US & Europe far worse than even the last European election results & Ukraine may face complete collapse, that's why they desperately try to pull the NATO Nations into their War with Russia as their last & only Chance to avoid complete Defeat. Thanks. 👌

@norbertgeorge

8 күн бұрын

100%

@emunozq

8 күн бұрын

John mearsheimer have been saying the same since 2014. He has been saying most of this for 10 years. Myself I only heard him for the first time on 2022.

@jossiesh7649

7 күн бұрын

You can blame the collective West leaders, puppets in the EU and Kiev.

@lucyyl.5454

7 күн бұрын

😢😢

John is great as always. The others are ok.

@SegzWithTedCruz

9 күн бұрын

lol came to say the same thing. the contrast was stark

@laurynai

8 күн бұрын

Totally agree, he’s solid

Anne Kratz needs to listen to John Mearsheimer more carefully.

@Aaronbusnell

9 күн бұрын

She’s a tad unrealistic about what Ukraine should get.

@SegzWithTedCruz

9 күн бұрын

when she said "what's in it for them?" ...nothing. they lost the war. There are no consolation prizes for bravery. I think she's been reading too much 17th century war novels

@tharbadj

9 күн бұрын

Anne is thinking about what she thinks would be a just result. John specifically put 'just' out of his rationale, giving a more realistic analysis that has nothing to do with justice.

@SegzWithTedCruz

9 күн бұрын

@@tharbadj good point I’d missed that. Though I’m not sure Anne is entirely caught up with just how pro Russian East and southeastern Ukraine truly is. To a point where many there and in green line Russia are angry with Putin simply cause they say it took him too long to intervene

@norbertgeorge

8 күн бұрын

​@@tharbadjAnna has a distorted, neocolonial and out-of-touch world view Everything she said, will never come to fruition, as Mearsheimer rightfully stated

far-right-mantra, hey-ho, hey-ho. Everybody is far right who does not think what Politico says - this is such a great mental breakdown.

being a hawk and being an idiot is definitely different but people are having trouble telling the difference of them

Who is authorized to represent Ukraine in such negotiations? What legitimacy can Zelenskyy claim with respect to making decisions concerning further destruction of Ukraine and more deaths of its citizens?

@elin4e83

10 күн бұрын

No, its the other way around. Zelensky thinks that this conference will authorise him! Look, 80 countries accept he is legitime, so he is legtime, thats his logic!

@kofferfischii

10 күн бұрын

He is the head of state.

@metugeekane8454

10 күн бұрын

Zelensky is no longer the president of Ukraine, and he cannot be allowed to sign anything on Ukraine's behalf.

@elin4e83

10 күн бұрын

@@kofferfischii He is no longer the legitimate head of state, his mandate was over..there were no elections held, according to constitution the Verhovna Rada speaker is the legitimate head of state now!

@elin4e83

10 күн бұрын

After 21.05.2024 Zelensky was elected by USA and EU for the position of president but no more by the Ukrainian people in democratic elections!

Getting rid of Zelensky would be a fair reward for ukranians to accept Putin peace deal. 🦥

Jesus the contrast between John and the others is STARK

@ballsbuster5075

4 күн бұрын

Jees, Anatol at times makes me gag... where this guy gets his crap from, I wonder.

59:55 Annes response perfectly represents the lack of realism in our elite class. Shes thinking like a parent sharing an apple fair and square. "Whats in it for ukraine?" Reality.

@yotoma

7 күн бұрын

Totally agree. Anne seems to not understand what is happening in the world. Russia will rightly dictate the outcomes and it will only get worse if conflict doesn’t end. The idea of being able to strategically influence Russia by developing European “security agreements” is just a fig leaf for NATO involvement in Ukraine.

@alisach.3014

5 күн бұрын

Ye. When she said "whats in it for Ukraine?" I literaly laughed. She is here talking about fairnes when people in Donbas has been living under constant shelling for 10 f*cking years now. And that dumb Daniel even dared to call it "grievances". It's already far too late for Minsk agreements.

Thanks for this very informative and sober discussion with true experts. Except for Kraatz. She seems out of touch with reality.

Mearsheimer vs Kraatz is like a nuclear physicist trying to explain how the universe works to a sloth. Please edit this so it's just Mearsheimer speaking.

1:03:20 Anne Kratz obviously doesn't know how war works. In what world is the vanquished dictating what should be done to the winner? Romans actually expressed this line of thought to the Gauls who were besieging them. They were complaining that the scales were uneven and they had to give more gold than the agreed upon ransom. Brennus, the Gaul leader, threw his sword upon the scales while exclaiming Vae Victis(Woe to the vanquished) as a response. Thus the defeated Romans had to pay even more gold. In Ukraine's case, they first lost Crimea. Afterwards they lost administrative control of the Donbas. Failing to implement the Minsk agreements, they lost de jure control of the regions(2022). Withdrawing from the negotiations, another 2 regions were piled upon the scales.

@nbrown4205

7 күн бұрын

there are a lot of "Russian" experts in the west who are actually "Ukraine experts" who know very little fact about Russia and only bias.

Any Ukraine peace summit that doesn't include Russia and to which Russia is not even invited is an exercise in futility comparable to a discussion with oneself, but less useful. .

Most interesting and useful, common sense is in short supply in these times.

Anne should watch western news less and use brain more.

@jonnieinbangkok

9 күн бұрын

Nothing but a Western Uniparty stooge.

@moderneurope

6 күн бұрын

hahahaha. All the brainy Russians come to the west to escape the new gulags being built. Z stands for zombies.

@yotoma

6 күн бұрын

YES! From what she said, seems like she gets her viewpoints from the telly.

@user-ow6bq9mm4i

3 күн бұрын

hilarious coming from a russian bot

Not really sure but I think the intend was to set a minimum bar for any further negotiation it wasn't a peace conference , it was Nato setting up a obstacle for Russia

I just have 2 name to explain the west hypo''crisis'' : Edward Snowden, Julian Assange

Moderator needs to mute his microphone when not speaking so his noises don't switch the camera to him when shuffling papers etc.

Anne Kraatz: What John Mearsheimer described as the solution IS the Minsk Agreement. Instead of "autonomy in Ukraine" it is autonomy within Russia, which is fair since Ukraine failed to live up to the Minsk Agreement. Bottom line there is autonomy in eastern Ukraine.

Who is this Anne Kraatz? She is so out of touch with reality.

@Robert44607

11 күн бұрын

Anne is the typical Western Elite who believes Russia is a banana republic and must do as the West tells it to!!!! I mean, after fooling about with Minsk one and Minsk two, you’re still asking Russia to go back to it after forcing it to fight and at such a cost to its lives and winning!!!

@TheRussianAngle

10 күн бұрын

I didn't find Ms Kraatz out of touch with reality. I did object to her using the extremely lazy and conditioned negative response to Vladimir Putin objectionable however. She, like SO many others in the West has been conditioned to see Vladimir Putin as some kind of thug when quite the opposite is the case. The psychological operation against him carried out massively over the last twenty years has poisoned so many otherwise reasonable minds.

@pierre-gp7tp

10 күн бұрын

yes she is, actually Napeleon was not a small man for his time. Otherwise, her description of the situation seems accurate, particularly the fact that the EU commission has taken that much power (parliament is nothing), even worsened by their endorsment of any american say.

@najacobson

10 күн бұрын

@@TheRussianAngle You basically summed up my reaction. I also don't think she realizes that the US has been bankrolling European defense. She objected to Mearsheimer's claims to this effect, but then she stated that she fears a Trump win. But this gives the game away. Apart from the general disdains that Europeans have of Trump due to his lack of polish, they also oppose him because of his efforts to withdraw American funding from NATO.

@johnlekic469

10 күн бұрын

She is so out of touch with reality it’s embarrassing . Her closing comments after Mearsheimers are delusional. Minsk is long time gone . Ukrainians don’t deserve to die for this . For once they should be allowed to make their own decisions about their lives and interests.

A bridge to NATO? Words mean less and less and Ukraine knows this very well.

Only John seems to live in the real world in this debate. They still do not understand the reason for the conflict even when John continues to state it. Another think lacking in the debate in the historical perspective in relation to how the Russians deal when it comes to conflict. There can be no military alliance between the west and Ukraine as John stated. The Russians have categorically stated they won't accept a frozen conflict. This should be taken seriously as time is not on Ukraines side. The longer this takes the more people will die on both sides and may end up escalating due to the crop of leaders we have in Europe. It's all going to start like the Vietnam war by sending instructors, and later special forces when the Ukrainians loss the ability to field able bodied men. Then a full declaration of war.

Ms Kraatz it’s too late for Minsk agreements, we had 2 Minsk agreements 1 & 2 that the Ukraine with the help of the West laughed it off, Minsk II , became a UNSC unanimous resolution , and Russia will never entertain that again

Thank you for an interesting program. It seemed to me that all three of you were discussing things from an old perspective dating back to the 20th century.

Anne, the benefit that the ukrainians gain from taking mr. Meirsheimers proposal is that they don't are reduced to a second moldova or latvia.

The request for the return of Ukrainian children is also included in the Swiss peace treaty. At the same time, German TV DW reports on the training and sending of children and teenagers to the front due to the lack of soldiers by Ukraine. Horrible from any angle you look at it.

@doqille

8 күн бұрын

What you mean by Ukranian children? What children are considered Ukranian?

Anne Kratz is wrong about what Ukraine "deserves" out of peace settlement, but she has offered important nuance on European politics, esp French politics

Excellent discussion.

I am constantly weirded out by baseline assumption that long-term peace is desirable for any of the major parties involved. Whenever I try to think of this war from the point of view of deepest most secure dr.strangelove decision-making bunker buried on whichever side of the conflict, the most precise definition - on a scale of 30-50 years - is "civil war in the soviet empire". If you take this as a measuring stick, the motivations of big players become rather clear.

I can add something to what Anne Kraatz said about Italy and our attitude toward this war. Italian people are sharply divided between those who understand Russia's motifs and would like to see some negotiations and those who simply hate Putin, often because they have swallowed everything mainstream media has said about him in the last 12 years (a new Hitler, he wants to rebuild the Soviet Union, etc.). In the surveys, about 40% have opposed sending weapons. But you find no such divide among politicians. Almost all politicians are aligned with the US. Even those that vaguely invoke peace, when the moment comes vote for sanctions and for sending more weapons to Ukraine

Professor Mearsheimer is the only one of this panel with both feet on planet earth.

U.S. would NEVER accept Chinese mediation.

"Roses have Thorns" is a compilation of press footage from 2014 gathered by Australian bureau Watchdog Media ordered chronologically. There are seventeen episodes featuring different topics/periodes of the maidan coup and the following events. Oliver Stone's *second* documentary on the topic "Ukraine on Fire" got buried from the mainstream scene, because it features unpleasantries, which weren't included in his first one "Ukraine in Flames".

Sublime discussion. Anne Kraatz on the perception of Russia in France is very insightful, but in summary she is quite clueless, nothing has to be "given to Ukraine to save face." Ukraine can take it on the chin just like Japan in 1945. That's the hard fact of real military dominance, you needn't pay any respect whatsoever to the vanquished. Strategically the Russians have every advantage, and those advantages are multiplying like cell division. They've adjusted for asymmetrical warfare, they've ramped up war production, and they've sold the cause to the Russian people. They've beaten economic sanctions and instituted deals with China & India etc. that will make Russia richer and more stable every year going forward for 100 years. The SMO you see today is a holding action, a foot in the door, and as time passes Russia will become far more effective in Ukraine than they are today. Putin has tremendous historical vision, and he is acting on the unshakeable reality that if Ukraine become under US control like the EU, it will be the end of Russia as a great power. He's right, he's managing the disaster beautifully. As an American sick of US policy of regime change via overthrow & invasion, I could not emphasize enough that in fact what Russia is doing to protect it's own future is good for the US in the long run. The American people seem to have no ability to reign in their government's wild overseas projection of military might, so it appears the Russians are doing it for us.

It was just a fund raiser

Forgive me, I wanted to listen but could not stay awake.

What did Serbia get when Kosovo was taken out of it?! And why it is not clear for people that only Russia can insure Ukrainian security?

"Peace" is just a marketing catch word, so perhaps more people would attend ))

Anne Kraaatz: It’s too late for the Minsk Agreement. Ukraine sealed it’s fate when it listened to Ameriica's errand boy's promises and didn’t sign.

*Signing the Communique, doesn't mean that you agree with the Summit or you side with project Ukraine.*

The Mearsh

The Ukraine Prolonging the War Summit.

This zoom app still working till date 😂😂😂😂

Thanks to Anne Kraatz I figured out that even if I'm losing I win 😂😂😂 this is so farfetched of reality that if it was not for her snoob compose I'd think she was a comedian infiltrated 😂😂😂

The Wall Street Journal recently operated with the figure of 150,000 dead soldiers. Russian authorities have not provided reliable information on how many soldiers have lost their lives. If you are prosecuted in Russia, it will almost always result in a conviction. Aftenposten wrote in 2017 that 99.5 percent of all those charged are found guilty. Now suspects and defendants will be given the same opportunity, the Kremlin-controlled newspaper Kommersant reported on Saturday. - This is an expression of desperation. Putin wants to avoid general mobilization. That is why they have come up with this to get more soldiers, says Russia expert and author Stig Fredrikson to VG. - They are extending the amnesty. Previously, it only applied to convicted prisoners. Now it also applies to those in custody - and in Russia you can stay in custody for a very long time before the case comes to court.

Who really thinks the Ukraine war will last very far into 2025? Nor a real Russia fan, but realistically it will end things at some point in that year imo

Si vis Pacem, para Bellum.

@pierre-gp7tp

10 күн бұрын

si non vis Americanam pacem, para bellum.

@JimBobJourneyer

10 күн бұрын

@@pierre-gp7tp < -- Warmonger

@pierre-gp7tp

10 күн бұрын

@@JimBobJourneyerwarmonger? how many wars to enforce american order on one single planet earth?

@JimBobJourneyer

10 күн бұрын

@@pierre-gp7tp Enough to maintain the 'Pax Americana', I suppose; as of today, they're not officially at war with anyone.

@pierre-gp7tp

10 күн бұрын

@@JimBobJourneyer "officially at war". and that does not include the economic "sanctions" of all kinds.

Is Ukraine’s negotiating position better now than Feb ‘22? No. I believe the u.s. intention was to severely weaken Russia but since that failed, the goal now is to keep the war going if only to avoid u.s. ‘defeat’. Not unlike 20 yrs in Afghanistan. A negotiated settlement is seen as defeat in the u.s. Unfortunately Ukraine is just along for the ride and the political experience/environment in Kiev is too weak to step back and do what’s in their interest.

Piss_Summit

In a land where the Z stands for zombies, they say, Where the bright minds of Russia just can’t seem to stay. It’s a place where oppression is part of the game, And the brainy ones flee to avoid all the shame. From Moscow to Siberia, the gulags still stand, A grim reminder of a harsh, frozen land. But the clever escapees with their intellect sharp, Are tuning their minds like a well-played harp. “Oh, Mother Russia,” they cry as they run, “To the West where the freedoms are brighter than sun.” No more will they linger in a place so repressed, Where thinkers and dreamers are never the best. The Z on the walls, it’s a zombie parade, With rulers whose methods are terribly frayed. The smart ones they scatter, like stars in the night, Seeking a future that’s shiny and bright. In Paris and London, in New York they find, A place where their brilliance is treated so kind. No gulags, no shackles, no threats in the dark, Just freedom and progress, a life with a spark. So here’s to the brainy who make their great leap, From a land where the zombies just groan in their sleep. They’ve traded oppression for liberty’s grace, And left behind zombies in their cold, stony place. With laughter and wit, they toast to their luck, Escaping the land where the zombies are stuck. For in lands of the free, their minds can now soar, Leaving behind Russia's oppressive folklore.

Anatol is hilarious, much like that boris clown. Speaking without thinking first

Daniel Larison is a hopeless Ignoramus. Anne Kraatz too.

Faaaaaaar Riiiioight me arse

They forgot to talk about the Ukrainian diaspora, the Ukraine lobby, especially in Canada where our deputy PM/ Finance Minister is a Ukrainian nationalist. The fifth column thing comes up all the time in Canada, mostly regarding “foreign interference” by China, India, and Iran. Those in power don’t talk about the foreign interference by Ukraine and Israel. I realize I am conflating foreign government agents and Cdn dual citizens. In truth, given humans tendency to such intense tribalism, I think it is almost impossible to make a distinction - unless the people fled their home country as dissidents, but even then, if a new govt comes to power, their homeland loyalty might flare up again. I don’t even know what a Cdn national interest would be, except for whatever the wishes of the richest immigrants or corporations. Cdn “nationalism” is non-existent.

@jessehauver

7 күн бұрын

I disagree, some of us have had ancestors here from 2-4 centuries back. Cdn foreign policy should essentially involve walking the tightrope between not getting involved in foreign conflicts that don't greatly effect Cdn prosperity(like Ukraine and Gaza) and not pissing off the Americans.

Daniel Larison might want to talk to the Trump Team and learn how they will proceed instead of making guesses.

@TheMorrow76

6 күн бұрын

Daniel is right on Biden Admin, nothing would change. Trump's proposal goes closer to Peace talks by urging Ukraine to give up Crimea, the Donbas border region with Russia via Washington Post artile April 7th 2024

It's a bit strange to listen to a Russian-area political scientist, with a clearly Russian name (with significant historical resonance, at least to the Imperial Ministry of Education), speak, and to hear a very plummy upper-class British accent.

@52:00, when Kraatz asserts through insinuation in her uneducated rhetoric that there is any comparison between what happened on Oct 7th, when Israel engaged in slaughtering hundreds of its own citizens and sacrificed its own soldiers in the fallacious claim that it was defending itself against Hamas and then to make it sound is if what has been happening since Oct 7th is equally horrifying, she disqualifies herself from participating in this valuable discussion about the foreign policy of the US war machine in Ukraine, Gaza, and Taiwan. How can she not know what countless journalists have documented regarding Israel's behavior not only in Palestine, but throughout the entire middle east and for the last 7 decades? What is she doing here in this discussion saying such uneducated things about Israel? But she doesn't stop there and continues, @54:30, to unfold her irrational rhetoric by suggesting that Russia hasn't been patiently avoiding conflict with Ukraine ever since Yanukovich was violently overthrown by Victoria Nuland's NeoCon invasion of Ukraine, that also launched the bloody 8 year campaign of crimes against humanity that Kiev's thugs, backed by Washington and London, have been visiting regularly on the Ukrainians in Donbas who are clearly loyal to Russia. She has the callous ignorance to assert that only if Israel is likewise accused of crimes against humanity would it be appropriate, for some inexplicable reason, to accuse Russia of crimes against humanity. What has one thing to do with the other, and why not assert that it is Kiev, not Moscow, that should be compared to Israel? But the final nail in the coffin is when Kraatz cannot remember the name of Yanukovich, the last legitimate leader of Ukraine whose violent ousting via a typical western coup started the entire conflict that has been going on full steam ahead since 2014. She also starts harping on about "what's in it for them" as if anyone from the west had ever cared to even think such thoughts. She's allowing herself to champion the cause of justice for Ukrainians all by herself, another reason she doesn't deserve to participate. But she goes on to talk about Ukraine as if they have any option and as if anyone in Europe is even able, let alone intending to provide any security guarantees for Ukraine, when anyone educated knows it would only be a security guarantee for Blackrock and JP Morgan. She simply doesn't belong in this discussion in which the other two legitimate panelists are handling the questions properly. She needs an education on the topic being discussed before she agrees to participate.

@kassfischer5146

7 күн бұрын

I disagree with you, and I accuse you (possibly unfairly) of misogyny. I might be wrong. I was impressed with her rebuff of Mearsheimer about the French citizens’ sentiments towards Russia, and how some of them like the Putin strongman behaviour, or even sympathize as nostalgic socialists. Mostly I think Mearsheimer is bang-on, but he does not understand European sentiments as well as Anne. Her mentioning the Sahra Wagenknecht party in Germany is also very important. I did not feel that she was excusing Israel’s war crimes, I felt that she was viewing the recent world events from an international law/ UN perspective. On Minsk she was a bit naive because we know that the West intentionally sabotaged it the first time. Of course they would do so again, especially, as she rightly pointed out, this war could very likely be primarily about vital rare earth minerals for the US economy which the West does not want going from Putin to China. It may be a woman-brain thing, that I share with Anne Kraatz.

@tamirhalperin2404

6 күн бұрын

@@kassfischer5146 Ukraine is at the center of the heart of anything and everything happening in Europe. The young nation has only had 7 presidents, only 4 of which took office legitimately... Kravchuk (3 yrs), Kuczma (10 yrs), Yushchenko, the Western puppet (5 yrs), and Yanukovich (4 yrs). Until Yanukovich, the nation routinely and consistently voted to remain in friendly relations with Russia. Yanukovich was elected when Ukraine was more or less split over Russia/EU relations, mostly because of what Clinton did to Yugoslavia. Otherwise I suspect Yanukovich would have been pressed to lean more westward, which he nevertheless did on his own. Following Yanukovich there has not been a legitimate leader of Ukraine. Do you suspect the other panelists would have difficulty remembering the name of the last legitimate leader of Ukraine? Me neither. She fails the test of participation in this discussion not because of her vagina but because she disrespectfully showed up ill equipped to engage meaningfully with the others. NB: For someone who disagrees with me, you shared more in support of what I said than otherwise 😉

@kassfischer5146

6 күн бұрын

Tamir, yes, we primarily agree, and I respect your informative grasp on the history of the Ukrainian leadership. I am only 56 and I am starting to struggle with instant recall of names sometimes. My mother is 80 and is in a carehome due to alzheimer’s dementia. I fear I will soon be there too. Condider this when evaluating the credibility of older people. Overall, I still think her eclectic information was worth listening to even if her delivery and memory loss were a bit annoying.

@tamirhalperin2404

6 күн бұрын

@@kassfischer5146 I'm only 60 :)

In a wrecked Ukraine, US, EU corporations can act freely to improve profits of their investments guaranteed by taxpayers.

44:19 did Annes just say that Napoleon was Italian?? Dear God...

@maninthewilderness4

5 күн бұрын

She did. And she was correct.

@elartesta6866

5 күн бұрын

@@maninthewilderness4 he was Corsican. The Risorgimento that gave birth to Italy as a state took place in 1861, Napoleon was born on 1769 in Corsica, which would be part of Aragon, then France and then would switch to Genovese hands until its birth as a republic back in 1755. Then it would be purchased by France in 1768 and controlled by it from then onwards. That said, Napoleon was never Italian.

@maninthewilderness4

4 күн бұрын

@@elartesta6866 She obviously meant that he was ethnically Italian. Which he was.

@elartesta6866

4 күн бұрын

@@maninthewilderness4 Corsicans are a European ethnic group on their own. A group that Napoleon was proud to be a part of and his writings testify to it.

Thank you Anne Kraatz for setting the recond straight about Putin's reputation for Mearheimer. Hope he was listeing. And hope you are right, which I think you are, as i live in EU.

When Anne argued that the fair right in france is built by ex communists and thus linked to faveroring russia as a legacy to ussr - I inadvertently stopped listening. Youcant seriously make that argument and call yourself a professional academic. Level has to be higher and arguments needs substance and be based on realism.

@kassfischer5146

7 күн бұрын

Wow, so much misogyny here today! As a woman who was pleasantly surprised by some of the tidbits and ponts of view Kraatz brought up (compared to other women like say Thatcher or Hilary Clinton), I find it distressing that a creative, LATERAL-thinking woman would be so criticized on this site. Tell me: how do you get so many Obama voters-turned Bernie supporters to eventually vote for Trump (who put the religious-right/abortion bans on the supreme court, put Wall Street and Bolton in his cabinet, and wanted to ban muslims from the USA)? From socialist to the far-right. Do you see it? Are you too linear-thinking to get it? Furthermore, the Sahrah Wagenknecht party in Germany she brought up is a very big deal! Wagenknecht (of German/Iranian descent) is bleeding support away from the far-right AFD big time because she is an anti-imperialist, anti-woke socialist. Further, Kraatz nailed it that this war is very possibly primarily about the rare earth minerals and coal in the Donbas. Do you think the Weat is going to let China get its hands on all that (via Putin)? Never! Right now the West is desperate for electric car resources. The war will not end. Learn to think outside of the box and see the value in eclecticism.

its pure idiosy, the westeners beliefe that ukraine can beat Russia, no way, ukraine cannot beat the much stronger Russia.

@jennybleasdale1815

7 күн бұрын

US can't beat Russia either! Over and done with.

Will Ukraine have men to fight next year?

@buravan1512

7 күн бұрын

yes, NATO Troops.

@user-yp8on6pi1f

6 күн бұрын

@@buravan1512 You probably don't fully realize how close we Russians are to nuclear war today. Are you ready for it?

Zelensky is squandering precious human lives fighting the wrong course

Good comments by Anne Kraatz from a French intellectual perspective

Remember Budapest Memorandum!

Daniel Larison is completely WRONG about Grenell.

@kalmdwn7711

9 күн бұрын

dude looks like a dodgy child predator

I get the strange feeling that the speakers wish russia to get its way. My question is what happens after a country who invades another and wins, what will that country do with the situation arising from a sucessfull invasion

@pierre-gp7tp

10 күн бұрын

what does a country do when it takes for granted it has assured a natural and predestined hegemony on the whole world?being "the most powerful country in the history of the world", for instance.

@UsmanKhan-ty4bg

10 күн бұрын

What the winning country will do is leave a rump state which will be a constant drain on resources of its supporters (west) and create instability with all the refugees in their border. It will also allow the winning country to ensure that military alliances (Such as NATO) are either roundly defeated or are to weak to do much about them.

@stuartwray6175

10 күн бұрын

What will that country do? - Well, Libya declined to sign the final statement/communique in Switzerland. Meanwhile Turkey, NATO member illegally occupying Cyprus, voted for the final statement. Lol

@pierre-gp7tp

10 күн бұрын

@@stuartwray6175 "The good ended happily and the bad unhappily. That what fiction means"(Oscar Wilde)

@davidchunkyonion

10 күн бұрын

There are plenty of past examples from which you may draw upon. What Russia is doing is not exactly new.

John Mearsheimer's lack of a critical view of Putin's actions poses a significant risk to world peace by inadvertently legitimizing Russian aggression and undermining international norms. By primarily attributing the blame for Russia's invasion of Ukraine to Western policies, Mearsheimer diverts attention from the expansionist ambitions and authoritarian tendencies demonstrated by Putin. This perspective risks normalizing the violation of sovereign borders and the use of military force to achieve geopolitical objectives, setting a dangerous precedent that other authoritarian regimes might emulate. Additionally, it undermines the collective resolve of the international community to oppose aggression and uphold the principles of self-determination and territorial integrity. Accepting such a narrative encourages appeasement and reduces the effectiveness of diplomatic and economic sanctions, potentially leading to more frequent and severe conflicts. In this way, Mearsheimer's view not only misinterprets the root causes of the Ukraine crisis but also threatens the broader framework of global stability and peace by failing to hold aggressive powers accountable.

@kassfischer5146

7 күн бұрын

Everything you just said about Russia and Putin could, and should, be said about Israel and Netanyahu’s expansionist (Lebanon to Iraq, Syria to Saudi Arabia) coalition partners. Not only are they selling waterfront in Gaza, they are already designing houses for southern Lebanon. Don’t be a hypocrite.

@moderneurope

7 күн бұрын

@@kassfischer5146 But this is not fair. I do not say anything about the Gaza war. How can I be a hypocrite when I do not defend Israel here? Very confused by what you are writing.

@Warsie

6 күн бұрын

Self determination includes the people in Crimea who voted to join Russia though

@kassfischer5146

6 күн бұрын

You are right. My apologies. I was just assuming things about you because of the Biden administration supporters all talking like hypocrites. I thought you were one of them.

@moderneurope

6 күн бұрын

@@kassfischer5146 I understand. It makes sense, because this does exist for a lot of people, including Blinken. It is sad. Human rights should be applied equally to all.

You are á traitor

@ikowaru

8 күн бұрын

No, you are!

@henrylicious

8 күн бұрын

Traitor to whom and what?

John Mearsheimer's argument that the West is to blame for Russia's invasion of Ukraine primarily hinges on the notion that NATO's eastward expansion and Western support for Ukraine threatened Russia's security interests. However, this perspective has significant limitations. Firstly, it overlooks the agency and sovereignty of Ukraine as an independent nation with the right to choose its alliances and foreign policy. By framing Ukraine as a mere pawn in a geopolitical game between great powers, Mearsheimer dismisses the legitimate aspirations of the Ukrainian people for closer ties with Europe and self-determination. Secondly, his logic fails to account for Russia's longstanding imperialistic tendencies and its desire to reassert dominance over former Soviet territories, which is evident in its actions in Georgia, Crimea, and now Ukraine. The invasion of Ukraine, marked by widespread destruction, human rights abuses, and disregard for international law, clearly identifies Russia as the true aggressor. Mearsheimer's argument also underestimates the inherent value of democratic principles and the importance of upholding international norms against territorial aggression. Ultimately, the responsibility for the war lies with Russia's decision to use military force to achieve its geopolitical aims, disregarding the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine.

@jessehauver

7 күн бұрын

beep boop

@victorangry1016

6 күн бұрын

Don't be silly. There are no democratic principles. There are only the interests of the countries. And now you are just defending the interests of the United States.