It's in my current 11.00 lineup and I got it prior to the pantsir being added, it was quite insane how agile that missle was. On top of that the radar was snappy, quick, and responsive. Once the pantsir it felt like a whole different vehicle.

@snakeisekans

11 ай бұрын

I agree... When I went to play it again after taking a break I kept wondering why it just felt so bad.

They hard nerfed the Tunguska. I used to love playing it but in a classic Gaijin move when the players were like "Russia doesn't need a new AA the Tunguska is really strong" they doubled down and said "are you sure about that?"

@minhducnguyen9276

4 ай бұрын

I just want them to randomly buff other vehicles like that. Imagine making the ADAT both SPAAs and TDs, meaning you can spawn it twice in a match (one with SPAA cost and one with TD cost of course).

I rushed down the tech tree to get the 2s6 because it was good and fun to play, now. I dont even want to bring it out. like ever. I am all for balancing, but gaijin doesnt know how to balance things properly, they just nerf hammer things.

@juunda2523

24 күн бұрын

What makes it bad now?. Im currently using strela and researching 2S6.

Gaijin definitely nerfed the Tunguska like hell to make us think we needed the Pantsir

@ZackBadCompany1234

11 ай бұрын

Dumb ass the pantsir got the same nerf ☠️ only pilots that get shot down from the pantsir are dumb pilots that fly straight... litterally if the pilot wiggles his mouse the pantsir missle Flys off screen unable to

@tooshmart6669

11 ай бұрын

xm975 also, id rather take ir spaa out now.

@evo3s75

11 ай бұрын

​@@tooshmart6669FlaRakPz 1 too..

@randomguyingasmask

11 ай бұрын

SAMs got nerfed in general, especially with the missiles. And yeah, Rolands were nerfed especially. They have 20G overload limit compared to Tunguska's missile, but they manouver terribly, by far the worst guided SAMs in the game right now.

Top tier SPAA used to be one of my favorite things to play, but with the nerfs to stuff like the rolands and the ADATS Its painful now :(

@TheDominiqueG

11 ай бұрын

So much same, here! :P

The fact that the radar cant go down is on every AA, gaijin really loves breaking things

@frankiegutierrez3847

11 ай бұрын

All praise to the giant “shoot me” signal

@wolfifly5944

10 ай бұрын

I was wondering why they didn't go down, this explains it, thx!

@_Davepocalypse

9 ай бұрын

They certainly used to! Sad now.

@chrisd7803

Ай бұрын

the radar can go down

@jonyvole

Ай бұрын

@@chrisd7803 it can now, but when the vid released they were bugged and couldnt

went from one of the best spaa to one of the worst

@petr8976

11 ай бұрын

WTF i think its better than otomatic machbet or type 93

@PAUL-ESNEED

11 ай бұрын

​@@petr8976Are you retarded? The Machbet and Type 93 are leagues below it in BR and the OTOMATIC can be considered comparable despite the entire Italian top tier knowingly being uptiered by 1.0 BR.

@buffka5023

11 ай бұрын

“Went from one of the best to one of the worst”. ITO/ADATS/Type93/OTO etc would like to have a word.

@Kwisss

11 ай бұрын

@@buffka5023 ADATS still is very usable even with the changes. Actually pretty responsible besides all the latency issues. Those you mentioned and the 2S6 are nearly unplayable.

@ianm7192

11 ай бұрын

@@buffka5023Dont forget FlaRakRad

Video on the Stormer HVM perhaps? Damage is still questionable but it is probably one of the easiest to control missiles now and is the bane of all helicopters lmao

@TheDominiqueG

11 ай бұрын

So true, the Stormer is absolutely lovely at 10.3 :) I absolutely hate how all the other SPAA were nerfed. :(

@crazyadam9281

11 ай бұрын

@@TheDominiqueG I can taste the sarcasm in the first part of your comment.

@crazyadam9281

11 ай бұрын

@@darugdawg2453 Flares don't work against the stormers starstreak missiles because the starstreak missiles don't use heatseeking warhead, you always being killed by them is just bad luck.

@Niko_rj

11 ай бұрын

Best against helicopters, unlike the Pantsir, his missiles does not swing, the radar and IRIST are not captured on missiles, flares, chaffs. the radar lock does not twitch and does not go into the ground. although sometimes they destroy me with 3 hits on the Mi 28, because of the armor.

@jakeschwindt7616

11 ай бұрын

I love my stormer honestly the only fun topish tier vehicle the British has. If you can find the spot I’ve slapped planes out

7:33, they broke like every SPAA damage model. gg gaijin

@Drie3

11 ай бұрын

@@darugdawg2453 most of the time its stupid overpressure

@shikikanaz4624

11 ай бұрын

​@@darugdawg2453it's meant to be a spaa yet it's a light tank and gets apfsds that it never got (from what I read) which is one of those Russia gets too much shit especially if it's not accurate

Gaijin really need to dial down the SACLOS guidance delay, I get that its for realism but now its hard to hit manuevering aircraft unlike before which in turn increases the CAS presence and ruinung the GRB even more

@dopedood11

11 ай бұрын

Realism is good until it hurts gameplay it is a balance thing that needs to be fixed. All aa has suffered because of this change, and it's not cool

@domantassinkunas5213

4 ай бұрын

Hi coul you tell how lock target on keyboard whit tungusta and pansir and how aim whit out mouse

7:35 They disabled that on all radar SPAA JustinPlays

Its just sad how bad top tier spaas became, in the german tech tree, the gepard 1A2 is the best spaa now...

@GravityTrash.

10 ай бұрын

*Cries in Japan AA*

I had some much fun a few years ago exclusively playing the Tunguska and shutting down the skies. Old IRST with range measurements plus the old missiles meant I could kill consistently at 10km, almost every time. It was ine of my favorite vehicles :(

I think the Strela just comes in more handy. It never fails to take out jets that dare come too close, mainly because the missile can pull 20 Gs and most jets don't flare when too close because they are focused on their target or just avoiding the ground. You are still lacking against helicopters and +5 km aircraft + the guns but you can't have everything I guess.

I love how this has better therms than most of the abrams

Keep up the good work

I got this thing yesterday and I get destroyed by most things because either the missle goes miles off target or I do 0 dmg. I mean I played it only a couple of times and lost agains uav's because I hit them and only dmg their landing gear. It is so frustrating especially with only 8km at the beginning

@GravityTrash.

10 ай бұрын

The missile also starts to wobble like hell over 6 km

hope your doing well! Keep up the geat work!

yeah the jitter of the all SAM missiles is really only felt in real matches, if you try it in test drive that goes away almost entirely.

@user-is3ku4tg9onahnotgonna

11 ай бұрын

noticed the same for all missiles even ATGM's

The main reason i love the german missile bus so much is the irst is SUPERB. you should do a up to date vid for german battle bus its a blast

11:04 Stalin himself guided that missile.

Hey Justin plays i feel your pain too , getting bad team

2:32 Guarantee whether they made it's stats match irl or not they nerfed it to stretch that stick the carrot is on that much further down the tree to the pantsir to motivate people to keep grinding or even use GE to CRP the pantsir.

I remeber fighting this thing a while back and it being unbeatable, and now that i unlocked literally yesterday i realised how bad the missiles are now

That radar thing, where it doesn't go down, seems to apply to all radar SPAA right now. I've heard it happening with the Gepard, and more painfully, with my ZA-35. That thing is like 20ft tall and you can't see anything with it up!

half the players in top tier dont even bring out a lineup.

Damn, the 2S6 is what brought me to warthunder

That snap shot at 1:50 was nasty

you should play the gepard justin Also the 2s6 isn't the only vehicle effected by the radar bug, from what I've seen the pgz04 and pgz09 also has it. Yet to know if other vehicles are effected

Amazing video as usual hehe and the thing i hate the most about the whole SPAA situation right now is the fact that they self nerf the tunguska, because it was the first SPAA to have the wonky missiles, then they make the excuse that russia 'need it'' the Pantsir, and now EVERYONE is useless BUT of course the Soviets like the TOR and the pantsir being at the top and the flakrad being the worst with the VT 1s, the best anti air method right now is to get your fighter jet and go hunting planes :), thx gaijin.

9:47 not punishing one death leavplayers is definitely fine and doesn't affect players gameplay at all

@Firewordien

11 ай бұрын

Well if you spend 1 sec looking at the vehicles you would see that it's all premiums. which almost certainly means that these players have no other vehicles to bring out.

@Tranny_Exterminator_9000

11 ай бұрын

A lot of times too tier games are decided on the first 5 minutes, after that it's either your team is stomping, or the enemy has taken all of the points overlooking your spawn exits.

China has the best anti-air lineup in my opinion, from 8.3-12.0 I can easily jump into a vehicle and kill the CAS that just killed me. PGZ's, TY-90 heli's from 9.7, Tor M1, J8f, F-16MLU. If im playing China anti-cas is fun. That is why imo there is a big gap between 9.3 and 11.7 for China AA because the TY-90 fills the gap.

@shikikanaz4624

11 ай бұрын

Although we need to fill that gap, rn helis are too hard to grind and I don't want to buy a z-19 just to grind it out. Hopefully they add the thing where you can grind helis with tanks

@shikikanaz4624

11 ай бұрын

Also pgz09 extremely underrated, good guns and thermals and speed only downside being the -2 depression. And pgz04 and pgz09 should switch places, give missiles to pgz09 and call it that, insane that pgz09 is literally better in everyway yet sits lower

@tooshmart6669

11 ай бұрын

@@shikikanaz4624 Most top tier heli's maybe carry 4 aa missiles the z-10 can carry 16 lol. I never bought the z-19 premium but the tech tree version has the search radar and 8 of the best missiles in the game makes it a great spaa.

@shikikanaz4624

11 ай бұрын

@@tooshmart6669 the problem is the grind, you can get the z9w which has 4 ty90s but it's like 380,000 rp and sits at 9.7 so grinding modules can either be hard or play pve and boring

Fun fact by the 30mm Guns that are not 4 Guns that are 2 Guns with 2 Barrels and that is copied from a German System called Gast System from Karl Gast who devolped this System during WW1.

Ahh finally, some SPAA gameplay

The lines on the radar are 5/10/15/20km so the irst missing range doesn't matter. Also they broke the Gepard radar dish too.

Once upon a time this was the most feared SPAA at top tier

When the pantsir came out the 2S6 had a almost 2sec delay from when you fired a missile to follow your cursor, it became less responsive and delayed in following your cursor. I couldn’t even kill a heli from 1km out. It’s better now but not what it used to be.

@DracoSen21

11 ай бұрын

I’ll miss the games where I would just spawn the 2S6 and get 6+ aircraft kills (before panstir came out)

Finally i found someone who has the same radar problem 7:29

The one thing i can say is the missiles for it used to be way faster before the nerf

can you make a review of the flakrakpz or the american xm975? they are unplayable against jets and sometimes helis

@spif9881

11 ай бұрын

If it’s unplayable then why would he make a video on it?

@Shooter10m

11 ай бұрын

@@spif9881 Because if its unplayable then its not balanced. Meaning it needs to be rebalanced to be useful.

@spif9881

11 ай бұрын

@@Shooter10m you know gaijin does not care about balancing American tanks 😭 he just covered an SPAA i don’t think he’d cover another one even (even though it’s an air-tank destroyer)

@Shooter10m

11 ай бұрын

@@spif9881 content is content lol

@spif9881

11 ай бұрын

@@Shooter10m content is not content when he probably wouldn’t cover it, ei you said it being unbalanced and it being an aa

Used to love this, it was fun playing but now it's unstable more than balanced in my opinion. How the mighty have fallen.

When it was first nerfed i tested it out in costom matches and its rader fet finicky. Had my friend do a barrel roll and i lost lock somehow, he was five kilometers out in open air with no obstacles coming straight at me. Second thing i noticed was locking on to guide the missile was worse off. Especially when the plane is flying across your firing line. The proxi fuse seems to be worse now and either this was a bug or bad proxi but it would look like the missile would go right through the plane. I even had a hard time with lower br planes. Without rader or irst lock its better but it just feels so bad to use now which makes me sad because i really like this vehicle

I tend to use radar against A-10s and the likes and put my crosshairs squarely on top of them. Shot down every time at 12k if they are heading for me and up to like 6km if peripendicular. Is this something that has been improved since this video was made or is it just a different way of playing it?

A video about the CM11 or ZLT11 as I am soon reaching china 9.3

1 stupid move by Gaijin. They unleashed Pantsir and reduced Tunguska's power thinking "for balance". And now the Russian air defense BR

This one hurts...loved my 2S6 but now its just pain to play. The real issue was that gaijin nerfed all SPAA to make the new shiny 4th gen jets more appealing to grind for.

I'd rather take the Strela over this thing now.

@pipecuu

10 ай бұрын

yep

Would love to try this app but it’s not available on iPhone

Type 87's radar stow animation is also broken. A shame as it was nice to get a bit less profile.

I'd like to see a top tier gamemode where smart weapons for aircraft and mouse guided missile SPAA are banned but not the aircraft themselves, that'll give the players that enjoy CAS to keep CASing and tanks on the ground don't have to worry about guided munitions coming from space. And yes, one could just play at a lower BR, but I love the top tier vehicles and that could be a good middle ground for top tier.

it is so bad with the rider jamming and when turn off the rider it doesn't go down at lest i was able to play it like a light tank now i can't even do anything with it , it's so sad that we lost a good one

The missile nerf hits hard on the flakradpaz 1

I love how my 9.7 no thermal 1.98mi missile using heli is constantly up against this thing, they really need to change how brs are set up.

Justin, a man who'll have a keybind to turn off stabilizer for some odd reason

All cool and all, but how do i get GE for WT on Ios?

tunguska getting balanced again

Cries in overcreeped ADATS

Ive been playing the type-90 and i can say t-80 bvms are horrifying

@thatonelocalauthority2809

11 ай бұрын

Wait till you get the type 10. The round + 4 second reload tears fools apart.

The Tunguska was one of my favourite tanks to play, I would use it like a falcon and hunt tanks since the AAMs were basically giant HE shells

@number7red619

11 ай бұрын

Bruh, the Missles are bad agains tanks

@logannicholson1850

11 ай бұрын

@@number7red619 this was before the missile changes

@number7red619

11 ай бұрын

@@logannicholson1850 Huh? So now its better or worse?

@logannicholson1850

11 ай бұрын

@@number7red619 the SAMs use to be very easy to use, they flew really accurately meaning u could aim them with pinpoint accuracy at the roofs or below the tracks of MBTs to 1 shot them cause of over pressure Now they can’t do that

@number7red619

11 ай бұрын

@@logannicholson1850 oh sad. I sometimes lategame rushed in, with my 30mms tho

Justin I gotta challenge for you: Play top tier battles without a stabilizer

The part when the entire died in the first 3 minutes is so relatable

When that A-10 came flying in upside down, the first thing I thought was: "When did they add the Su-57? And why is it fighting the Russians?"

Ge for warthunder app doesn´t work on my phone

They broke the radar damage model on every as

Fast-forward 4 month... You should probably review it again, they changed quite a bit of stuff for SPAAs in general. Not sure how this was affected but for instance the missile has 32G overload IIRC. Also I could spot none of the missile wonkiness at higher ranges.

They always do, go and compare an Aim9J with how it was when it was the premier missile

the FlakRakRad is so painful to use now

They updated it just a day before I got it too 😭

Their reasoning for new SACLOS physics and Pantsir was that TOR M1 was too bad with its maneuvering capabilities. Guess what now have twice the G load?

If that is considered jittery and going crazy then checkout the adats and roland

Looking at your russian line, i can see that you have lots of tanks from different BRs. 10.0 tabks lined up with 10.7 tanks. At top tier, this differences doesn't make differece? At lower tiers, this 0.7 BR difference makes a hell of a difference, so that's why i'm asking. Obs: this "free GE" really works?

@RenanSAbreu

11 ай бұрын

@@darugdawg2453 so... Turms with its 450mm pen can withstand higher BR matches?

@M0LOCK

11 ай бұрын

​@@RenanSAbreuyep easily,used it alot on GSB line up

i hit a heli with my abrams, it was hella far, but it was repairing just sitting there so no skill cuz laser range finder but still i made bro mad and it was fun

The roland now is totally unplayable, a sea vixen evaded a roland 3 with a slight turn and the smoke generator in the back doesn't help too, i've suggested realistic auto-lead mechanics for all vehicles that have it (ito, adats, tunguska, roland2/3, stormer, flarakrad) it could be a researchable modification. The auto-lead could require radar lock or laser designator range. It would encourage pilots to fly more carefully 10.0 and up, more widespread auto-lead mechanics could also create a great reason to add ARM's. What do you think?

"It's just a drone, don't worry about it" I dunno, Justin...it seems you've found a cure for cancer there! That's certainly a good thing!

XM1069 is also very bad, especially the SP. Killing tank has never been so much more frustrating. You cant really aim for the first 100 meters or so.

A Germany, Russian, Swedish combo = premium galore 😂 games go too quick

The teams folding hardcore in 30 seconds at high/top tier is a serious problem rn they need to punish people who just one and done because it's making top tier grinding nearly impossible anymore

@Boris_The_Turtle

11 ай бұрын

Or motivate people to stay for more than one spawn, while increasing accessibility for backups.

@cpthrki5852

11 ай бұрын

No, they need to make maps made for fucking top tier, all this garbage we're playing on was made before anything with stabilizers and lasers came out.

@BBRAIN1977

11 ай бұрын

That is the trouble with premiums at that br. I still do not get they put in Premiums at 10.3. And most cc tank playing muppets leave with 1 death

@LarryPigeon1

11 ай бұрын

Well tbh i make my 3/4 kills take my 566 out and when k get pantsir clapped even behind tree lines and shit i jusg leave why tf would i take the flakrad just to suffer from more SL loss🤷‍♂️

@samulivainionpaa9338

8 ай бұрын

Guaranteed extra spawn without backup would solve it.. Or not selling high tier premiums would be another, but that ship has sailed

I play top tier russian but still use the the Strela just because it is much better than the 2s6

@miguelgarrote6300

11 ай бұрын

Based strela user

5:30 the drone your shooting at is almost 20km away look at the Radar Also the 2S6 is balanced now the 2S6 wasnt a super good anti Jet tank like it was in warthunder 2 and a half years ago This is how the 2S6 performs IRL

Im sorry and i thank u just for ur awesome contents 🔭⚜️

What w. Udssr? 🤯🛡️

Good

Gaijin deffo did it dirty... at this point its no better than 10.3 SAMs Problem is to nerf the pantsir they nered tungi too. Which was not neccessary. All of these missile changes was to nerf mainly 2 vehicles, that did the job but they still are powerfull. Ka52 and Pantsir are still powerhouse machines, just not as easy to use anymore.

Ngl. Playing SPAA purely is like playing horror game in WT 😂

@JustinPlays You feel the SAME EXACT way I feel cause I get top of the team and CONSTANT losses and nothing more than that just pisses me off getting a loss after loss after loss and its just BULLSHIT

hooray!!!

7:30 on every spaa rn

Type 93 when?

used to be one of my favorite things to play,not anymore

Gaijin completely invented stats to nerf all ground-based missile…to win an argument? Missiles don’t behave pike this at all IRL, There are plenty of videos of missile firing from a vehicle’s POV (tunguska, bmp, t-72, etc.), they absolutely do not fly unguided for a few seconds after launch nor do they struggle to turn so bad that they can’t stay centered on the crosshair. It’s complete nonsonse and I’ll avoid playing too tier until that is fixed because CAS is broken. What atgm’s do do irl is slightly tumble because of air turbulences and maybe a slight control delay, but that is less noticeable with more advanced missile and probably not visible at all on SAM’s. GHPC has a good exemple of this, compare how the Malyutka (BMP-1 MCLOS missile) or the Konkurs (BMP-1P / BMP-2 SACLOS) with the I-TOW (Bradley SACLOS) in the game.

planes keep getting better, while SPAA gets nerf after nerf

ESPECIALLY with the new op as fuck cas coming in, they need to unnerf the AA missiles asap

They need to reverse the missile and ATGM changes. They've just ruined them all

Bruh talking about broken AA, the gepard 1a2 to this day cannot equip FIM 92K, u select it and it switches to the FIM 92 E when u spawn, 7 months and they have not fixed this bug

It's not as strong as it was before the pansir was introduced but I'd still say it is the best spaa in it's BR 10.0-10.7 BR area

@sanmiguel4774

11 ай бұрын

No

Yeah 10.0 to 10.7 right now sucks , I've lost 7/10 matches today

Otomatice goes up a br but Tunguska goes down even though it's worst

Will be nice when they bring in zero silver loss for premiums. Some of these teams put you in debt.

Try XM1069 or.. ADATS(Anti-DAT Shite) cuz I feel this "SPAA/TD" also become worst from the best as the Tungie(Tunguska)..

Everybody complain about the nerf but this thing continue to have 3 kd ratio each game & Still can slay mbts from frontal & smoke their main gun in quarter of a second. It still can do everything veeery well. But Ito, raketenflak, roland. So it still the second OP SAM. In the same nation.