Hi all, just a brief correction: The on screen stats for Antony and Ryan Gravenberch are for the Eredivisie only, not all comps. Antony 21/22 Stats (Eredivisie & Champions League): 28 (2) Games Played 10 Goals 9 Assists Ryan Gravenberch 21/22 Stats (Eredivisie & Champions League): 34 (4) Games Played 2 Goals 6 Assists Source: FBRef

@widialkmaarzaanstreek7291

Жыл бұрын

Saya yg like's ke 14 loh. .😁😁😁

@freeyungtuna521

Жыл бұрын

It’s the same for the Haller stats; the stats show are his eredivisie stats only :)

@trevg9450

Жыл бұрын

If in fact this analysis is valid then it should be music to United's fans ears. IF he is not married to a specifics but has an identity, that's a good thing. One gets concerned if Ten Hag comes to United to play a system like City or Liverpool because they are miles ahead and it is not easy to out master the masters. Having the flexibility try and do something different AND be successful is the right approach in my opinion. Great Managers work with what they have and find ways to play and maximize skills. Great Managers don't relentlessly try to shoehorn or force a specific style on the players they have at their disposal when they take over. Let's see what happens at United under Ten Hag's first year. United for all their deficiencies and faults still posses some extremely talented players available for the new Manager. The cupboard is far from bare

@widialkmaarzaanstreek7291

Жыл бұрын

@@trevg9450 ❌❌❌ FSide14

@JK-ff1ft

Жыл бұрын

You called him Van der Beek too lol

Didn’t realise Ten Hag had such profound coaching experience managing since 1819

@wally86_

Жыл бұрын

Touche`

@atomicape99

Жыл бұрын

If you watch the video it says 18/19 and in small print below it says not 1819

@atomicape99

Жыл бұрын

0:16

@mjmulenga3

Жыл бұрын

Before the first football league was even formed. 😂

@1607Adi_Manz

Жыл бұрын

@@atomicape99 18/19 sound like 1819 they way he pronounced it

Wow ten Haag literally talking about himself with a sassuolo shirt

@hungotuan4431

Жыл бұрын

Berardi or Scamacca to Man United confirmed? :))))

@robovac3557

Жыл бұрын

He literally isn't doing that.

@adriennash7326

Жыл бұрын

@Bendtner 😂

@yungtrashlord

Жыл бұрын

nah that's vsauce talking about ten haag

@ryancarroll951

Жыл бұрын

Smart

schone's importance in that 2019 ajax team went overlooked. Frenkie, donny, de ligt, ziyech, and tadic all gained tons of international reputation but schone was just as, if not more important to the flow of the midfield and how they linked with the attackers

@destianpatrianagara1119

Жыл бұрын

Probably because he was 33 back then so people didn't really excited, same goes for Tadic.

@alxbkers

Жыл бұрын

Nobody in Amsterdam overlooked Schöne, and I am sure internationally they also saw his performances in the CL. It's just that it was the autumn of his career and he wasn't looking for big moves. He was looking to retire.

@tair.8459

Жыл бұрын

To emphasise your point I had forgotten about him completely until seeing your comment. What a season he had!

@wolfgangdevries127

Жыл бұрын

Fact is: the players you named never reached the same level without Schöne after 2019.

@aye2you

Жыл бұрын

@@wolfgangdevries127 de jong has been pretty damn good at Barcelona dude

This is one of the reasons I’m excited to see him at United. He’s got certain principles that he likes, but he doesn’t have 1 set system or style that requires 11 specific players. He needs players that can do certain things, but he’s also going to build a system that works for what he has.

@slyarsenal

Жыл бұрын

Hes still going to flop

@clintmannion5598

Жыл бұрын

@@slyarsenal yep just like every other manger since they had ferggy in

@slyarsenal

Жыл бұрын

@clint mannion haha long may it last. Utd fans now coming to terms with humility. Their team is a mess. Ten Hag has a lot of surgery to perform. It will take them at least 3 yrs and that's if he's afforded that time. We have a much more exciting project at Arsenal. Arteta just needed the time to clean up the mess left behind from Wenger's later yrs and Emery overpaying for players. Now we're buying good players at reasonable prices that have a much higher ceiling. People say we overspent for White at 50m but we didn't get a fridge like Maguire at 80m haha

@alexjames5103

Жыл бұрын

Bruh he only has one system that is the barca way of football aka possessional football.If u don't have a set system u can never succeed.Every successful team has one set system and principle

@1337menno

Жыл бұрын

@@alexjames5103 lol. The Barca way. You mean Dutch total football. Implemented by the Netherlands and Ajax

It always is funny to me to hear people say how Van de Beek should be playing as a controlling midfielder. That he should play instead of Fred. While when I was watching him at Ajax he was basically all the time in the opponents box. Super offensive player.

I’ve always been dying to know how he maintains such a thorough beard, with such a sleek, clean top. Thanks lads!

@funkdoc2001

Жыл бұрын

This will truly tested at United, I’m expected disheveled Eric at points this season.

@GutzOverFear

Жыл бұрын

Without Peps Parents, Pep wouldn't exist. 💯

@lokey.y

Жыл бұрын

@@makchot3263 who even mentioned pep in the first place

@Howhardisittofindausernamebruh

Жыл бұрын

Gillette Mach 5 for the head and a cut throat razor for the beard

Can see why he really wants De Jong in his team he is a hugely important player for how he wants to play

Brilliant stuff Jon! Love how engaging his analysis is, he's slowly becoming my favourite Tifo member!

@lwandilezuma2292

Жыл бұрын

Tifo really made a sensible transfer decision by acquiring him

@Aanike09

Жыл бұрын

@@lwandilezuma2292 truly the Ibrahim sangre of the football analysis world

@kaboodlefish

Жыл бұрын

really tho? he set out a premise at the start of the video that "no one knows how ten hag will have utd playing" then a throws some pizza charts up with an in depth analysis that amounts to "different players are different", then forgets about man utd or how any of this might apply to them, claims pep is the one true god and ends the video.. It's garbage.

@chrisramirez7357

Жыл бұрын

PUNPUN

@alinarejo2344

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisramirez7357 YESS 💯

That's obvious. Van Gaal was known for tiki taka possession. But at Man United it was "Give the ball to Fellaini" Managers adapt. People remember Ferguson for attack attack attack. I remember playing 7 in defence and hitting teams on the break as well.

@luisa.breuer7287

Жыл бұрын

Yep, good structure defense and quick, smart counters. Always with players who knew what to do with the ball immediately.

@warrioroffpeace3673

Жыл бұрын

Bro Fergie is known for good defense.😂 He is known for his quote “attack wins games, defense wins titles”😂😂

@pabloes588

Жыл бұрын

Fergie knew how to win games and wasn’t afraid to play how he saw he would win All this philosophy bollock you hear if you don’t win the game it means nothing Probably why fergie managed to change with football and keep winning

@nakimteti7249

Жыл бұрын

It was Mourinho with passing the ball to Fellain no Van gaal he benched Fellain and opt for Bastian, Schneiderlin,Blind and Ander Herrera.

@pabloes588

Жыл бұрын

@@nakimteti7249 hold on I remember van gaal using him as i striker for numerous games In fact I even found an article on it

If he can handle some of the bigger ego's in the bigger clubs (which I believe he can do), then Man U fans are in for a treat! Sincerely, an Ajax fan.

@edubrooke2753

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully the press will not flame him the same way Dutch press did when he started at Ajax

@bashavinga8554

Жыл бұрын

@@edubrooke2753 bro Dutch press are tame compared to English press

@edubrooke2753

Жыл бұрын

@@bashavinga8554 exactly! British Valentijn is gonna have a field day 😂

@brianlawlor4221

Жыл бұрын

I'm a Utd fan. Have massive respect for Ajax. Buuut TenHag will only be successful with a great recruitment team n is backed hugely by our incompetent board. Absolutely top class manager moving to an -A star club with F standard owners. Owners have ruined us

@edubrooke2753

Жыл бұрын

@@brianlawlor4221 yeah agreed, it's gonna be a 50/50 if he's still in charge over a year. And as an Ajax fan I'm not too sad to see him leave. Man did an awesome job and is a great tactician and super professional, but the situation at Ajax was ideal for him. Especially when dickpic sender Overmars was still around as DoF, the fact that he basically could pick the players he wanted was massive. I would say his in game management is his weakest trait, he never subs his favorite players no matter how bad they play on the night, and if plan A doesn't work, there never really was a plan B.

Antony in all comps had 32 games, 12 goals and 10 assists. The ones you are showing is just his Eredivisie record. Source: Transfermarkt. Also Schone did not transfer to a Dutch team. He went to Italy and afterwards returned to the Netherlands. Good job bringing up Utrecht. Have watched a lot of channels saying Ten Hag always plays 4 2 3 1 and always attacking possession football. Which indeed is simply not true. Not sure if he will low block with Man Utd though as the gulf between Utrecht and the top teams is larger then any gulf between Man Utd and another top team. At least on paper.

@a.huiden8518

Жыл бұрын

Seeing how Tottenham played against Liverpool and City this season, I expect Ten Hag to do similar against them, at least in the beginning when Liverpool and United are clearly a level above.

@SeriousBartYT

Жыл бұрын

Man City Liverpool Arsenal Leicester Tottenham Hotspur Chelsea West Ham and Newcastle have better midfielders than Man United.

@george5677

Жыл бұрын

Antony overrated

Yet another good video. Information dense again, but you seem to have the knack of making them super watchable, excellent stuff :)

Wow thank you for pointing out that piece about Van Der Beeks positioning. Thought I was going crazy seeing Man U and Everton playing him so far back when I vividly remember his best work during that champions league run he was damn near a striker for Ajax at times

@EpicTubah

Жыл бұрын

It's a terrible shame, VDB has potential to be world class as a second striker in a counterpress system. But he'll never be a PL level center mid.

@1337menno

Жыл бұрын

His best attribute had always been arriving in the box at the right time and making good decisions when is there

@levivlijm7571

Жыл бұрын

@@EpicTubah He reminds me a bit of Muller

@HT-xg1kc

Жыл бұрын

@@levivlijm7571 agreed, always thought he is the ‘raumdauter’ kind of player

Jon's analysis skills raising the bar at tifo 👀

I love this videos and the simplified data presented. I hope u guys out out more videos like this, they really interesting and fascinating to get a insight of how managers and players play

You've been a brilliant addition thus far, Jon. Thanks for the excellent in-depth analysis!

2015-2018 was a nightmare for Dutch football and I did not want to be reminded of that fact :(.

@davidlean1060

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps it was karma for the dispicable display in the 2010 World cup final! ;) A few dreadful seasons were the penance for Van Bommel's kung fu kick on Inesta!

@rvbxn04

Жыл бұрын

@@davidlean1060 you mean de Jong’s kick?

@davidlean1060

Жыл бұрын

@@rvbxn04 I remember it as Van Bommel. You may be right. Van Bommel did take out a few players that evening I recall, so I may be mistaken.

@yao052

Жыл бұрын

@@davidlean1060 nah it was Nigel de Jong. But van Bommel was also aggressive.

@st4yf989

Жыл бұрын

It was Nigel de Jong on Xabi Alonso

good stuff, one of the best TIFO individual presentations in awhile I hope you do more

omg i love the kit youre wearing, huge sassuolo fan here

This guy is awesome. More videos from him please!

One od the best Tifo videos ive seen! Good work!

Happy to see jon on camera really good video !!!

Great vid, Jon is absolute 🔥 and so is that Sassuolo kit 🔥

havent watched the video but i saw Jon and already know its gonna be a classic

i feel as we are up to see a more high pressing direct play style. as in PL most teams go for the win, rarely teams will defend in low blocks, which is in turn a positive for him as that type of style heavily benefits directness, only teams that get ppl defending against them is liverpool city, thats about it, all the other teams try to net 2 extra points most of the time, those who dont end up like newcastle before howe

4:45 Well, Schöne went to Genoa first, then moved to Heerenveen for a bit and then went back to NEC, where he played before Ajax.

I think its going to be a slow transition for man utd and things will slow down before they get better like at liverpool with klopp it was gradual not an instant change to the side they are now.

Well done Jon on your seamless integration into the tifo team

8:51 no, the first team played in 4-2-3-1 with the triangle on the midfield consisting of two DM/CMs en one AM; whereas in 2021 with Alvarez there was one dedicated DM, with two CM/AMs. So the order of midfield was shifted, more like 4-1-2-3. Also with Tadic on the left wing and Antony on the right, Gravenberch and Mazraoui would cover the halfspaces left and right in attacking possession.

@super_organist

Жыл бұрын

Nice analysis. I think Liv plays 433 which shifts to 3 5 2 when attacking right?

@Kisarez

Жыл бұрын

@@super_organist Liverpool plays 4-3-3 with the midfielders sitting back and the backs attacking I think. TTA and Robertson move up. Fabinho sits back. Henderson, Thiago, Jones, Keita link up play; or provide overlapping options on the flanks. Liverpool mostly plays the space and transition, they can attack from possession but they're always on the move with Virgil-Konaté-Fabinho maintaining defensive restraint. I guess in attacking that sometimes means 3-3-4 with one of the backs becoming a winger/striker, depending on the situation. But yes having 3 defenders back (2 CBs + DM/FB) is common. What I think is fascinating is how Liverpool uses overlapping backs; whereas Man City maintains wingers with backs moving into central midfield/flank halfspaces. How they duel each other on such a high level is super interesting and entertaining Ten Hag maintains the 3+1 rule. In varying forms, 4 players keep defensive order (FB, CB, CB, DM; or CB, CB, DM, DM, etc.). When the ball is lost, the 6 attacking players also need to win the ball back asap, to provide the back 4 with breathing space and to prevent the counterattack

Thanks for the effort you put in this one.. Big like

Fantastic analysis!! Nice work :)

Excellent video. Great content! 👍🏻

Excellent video…Can you do one with how the 2 Ajax midfields from 18/19 and 21/22 compare with the United trio of mctominay fred and fernandes

Clean video and football analysis

Really waiting to watch fred playing in his system, with fred's impressive work rate let's see if 10hang will able to convert that into some meaning full game play.

When Blind played left-back this season, he often played along the sideline and were overlapping Tadic instead of being in the centre position. That’s the area Gravenbergh occupied.

Brilliant video, thanks!

Loved the analysis!

Very excited to see how ETH gets on. He's definitely has a thing or two up his sleeve. However, he will need time and has to be fully supported by the board, never doubted.

@Zack_410

Жыл бұрын

Well he already isn't fully supported so we're fucked

Great work!

does the tactic board app has a "group / team" move function? if so, it will be easier to demonstrate transition or defensive block movements, instead of moving individual players.

@tobyjimmy7194

Жыл бұрын

Legit been wanting to make that comment for weeks now

@mambakroko.6975

Жыл бұрын

@@mahazchowdhury4969 you make it

@KZ-sq3ou

Жыл бұрын

Do you know what app it is?

This was great! I hope he can replicate this at United with the necessary tweaks and finds some success.

Jon this was fantastic.

Absolutely love the comparison of tactics deployed against the top half of the table vs the bottom half. This was on my mind at the start of the video as my concern was that the quality of this current United side don’t have the quality to maintain possession against the high press that most of the top half of the table (and FDJ alone won’t fix that). Reassuring to see some tactical versatility that I was otherwise unaware of. Ole was pragmatic and would set up for the counter but there was a void of tactical depth beyond this

When you just listen and not watching this video will make you think Ten Hag already coaching since year 1819 what a vintage coach, a living legend!

Cool video, learnt a lot about Mr Hag, thx

Really really good and insightful

totally agree, there will be (or more precisely should be) some tactical flexibility with ten hag's united, at least in the first-second seasons, but as united get better (if they would indeed getting better at all) under ten hag, i guess everyone would be correct to expect that ten hag will be taking more stylistic approach as the team mature.

Interesting video. Thanks!

Well analysed sir!

Loved this one

Great work

Excellent research and presentation! Thanks

@arwindren

Жыл бұрын

I agree, I see the rest of Man Utd vloggers pretend like their gods. They seems to know everything but their facts are bullshit and all they do is rubbish prediction.

Jon you are Brilliant!

This vid has 100pc stood the test of time. As relevant today as last year. Excellent.

Jon, you’re great.

Thoroughly enjoyed this one

Lovely analysis

Last few games at Ajax when we had a lot of injuries he also switched systems, when we still had some games that we had to win, it worked out!

@wekesatonnie9321

Жыл бұрын

i hear that he depended more on Schreuder?

@shitaandelopendeband

Жыл бұрын

@@wekesatonnie9321 He has been gone since after the 18/19 great CL run

This was fantastic!

Great analysis 🇪🇬🤘🇪🇬

Brilliant video

Really good analysis. Nobody went back from his Ajax days. Someone told me earlier also, initially you will probably get Utrecht ETH rather than the Ajax one. And he is not married to certain formation and all. This video makes it more clear.

@CalvinC-eq4be

Жыл бұрын

wdym bruh? explain why

@karthikg1990

Жыл бұрын

@@CalvinC-eq4be Just that he is not married to a formation. It's not 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 he has played. In Utrecht he has played lot of formation including 3-5-2. So he adapts according to the players he have. Formation will change but the system will be the same.

amazing video

Solid insight.

would love to see more stuff on him

Finally, a video dedicated to my favorite KZreadr, Binging with Hagish

Great Video

Well done Jon!

Like the cross comparison of the 3 players from the previous squad vs the 3 in the most recent squad

Looks like you were spot on, just came to double check.

Great video starring Seb Stafford-Bloor as Jon Mackenzie

Either way, it’s gonna be interesting. Depending on who they get in in terms of personnel, I think making the champions league at the end of the season will be seen as progress.

@rebelcities8200

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it will be progress and honestly I can't see it happening, Tottenham and Arsenal are better and improving. I think it will be two seasons before they get into CL, earliest

Great work, visually impaired Seb!

Butst onto the scene in 1819 :o Living legend

Olé's Man United playing 4231 with Cavani/Martial up front and Bruno,Greenwood, Rashford is a similar style to Ten Hag except not as proactive as Ajax but deadly on the counter. Striker in Martial/Cavani dropped deep often to allow Bruno and wingers to make runs inside

I would've liked that you analysed the champions league as well so you could've seen how ajax played against big teama

Woah, great pronounciations on the names!

This is is really good.

Lovely kit!

If there was a segment on the pizza chart for "manager's disappointment with The Board" that would need a seriously big pizza at the moment. Excellent video and analysis btw.

Tifo - Where on earth did you find those beautiful prints of those kits that are hanging in the background?

Can we have a short video of how united will line up with the existing players and compare the data .. it will be fun

I feel this video is a year ahead of its time.

@colouredIncognito

Жыл бұрын

😂

Can someone tell me where you guys got those kit posters in the background, I want some so bad .

loved it

Good video.

Where did you get the shirts and frame from in the background ?

pls do a video on christophe galtiers tactics and what he will bring to psg

I've been watching ajax all my life I didn't know ten haag was there for over 200 years 1819 to 2022 what a dedicated servant of the sport

@mzamogagaimzeeza9055

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@insaiyanfit1571

Жыл бұрын

Ten Hag*

Can’t lie. This is really neat

in dutch football 4231 is known as a 433

What device are you using for this presentation?

Exactly what happened against Liverpool yesterday, adapting with long balls etc...

Brilliant.

if FDJ joins, and Shaw gets back in decent shape - the progression down the left side has potential to be fantastic. The right side remains a concern all round!

Bro that thumbnail was insane

so basically we know what he's gonna try and achieve but we dont know how he's gonna do it and how he's gonna get there

Ten Hag could replicate his 18/19 system through the current United squad with few additions. Considering the fact that, Ronaldo plans to leave the club this summer Bruno could replicate the false 9 role of Tadic. While Donny and De Jong would replicate their previous role, adding Neves would help the line-up. Neves could play a similar role to Schone while helping in build-up play. When it comes to the front two Rashford and Sancho would love to play the inside forwards role since they are familiar with this type of role. Finally, the defensive line-up should look like Malacia (LB), Lisandro (LCB), Varane (RCB), and Dumfries (RB)!!.