"Companies don't like to admit they're wrong." ??? Kpop stans need to stop trying to rewrite history. HYBE supported Garam from the very beginning of the controversy and stood by her for so long that so many people began to claim that she must be a rich or the daughter of a shareholder or higher up in the company. Some people even tried to insinuate that she had s** with Bang PD. At the end of the day, it was best for HYBE to let her go, for her sake and the sake of the remaining Le Sserafim members.

@pnlpyng7625

Жыл бұрын

I agree. They supported her for a while, but when companies do their job like standing behind their artists, they're accused of favoritisim, inappropriate activities with higher-ups, being rich, etc. It's furiating. But then when they finally give in after a long battle and let her go for her mental health and the group, they claim HYBE is wrong for it and that they did everything wrong.

@jeffrianbanton5138

Жыл бұрын

thank you

@logunk5969

Жыл бұрын

Daughter of shareholder?? had s**??? STOP SPREAD FALSE INFORMATION

@amyrah8145

Жыл бұрын

Exactly my thought when I saw that comment. People been talking shit about her and now they said the company is wrong when they just doing their jobs

@vitaseila9873

Жыл бұрын

Most Koreans and some international fans just love to believe in made up things but never go in depth within the truth

Hello! I'm still like not even 1/4th way through, but just wanted to explain the "want to be better than others" part! In one of the survival shows, a mentor once said to the trainees that, "if you prepare 150% in practice, you will be able to give your 100% in performance". I think the same logic applies here too... Kazuha joined pretty late compared to Sakura, Chaewon and Yunjin, plus she had 0 experience with k-pop dances (she used to be a ballerina). So she had to catch up with the skills that the other three, who had been in the industry for a long time, very fast. That's why the trainer says, she needs to practice to get better than others. If she practices with that in mind, only then will she gain skills fast enough. If she gets envious of their skills (in a good way ofc), only then will she pra tice hard enough. So by the time the group debuts, Kazuha would be on a level field as other members.

@mxrchive

Жыл бұрын

This. I also agree w this...it's more like a healthy competition between the members too

I feel like seb is confusing le sserafim with new jeans a bit xD ! New jeans is the group with mostly minors. Le sserafim however has members that are 24/22/20/19/15. So only one member is underage

@eangal

Жыл бұрын

He mentioned there being a 14 year old. There’s not a huge difference between 14 and 15 so he’s still technically right 😭 it’s wild that someone so young can go into such a toxic industry.

@zainebhammouda5529

Жыл бұрын

@@eangal yeah he is and yes it is quite scary and toxic. But he spoke about how they have a mature concept yet they are not adults yet so that's why i thought he mistook them for new jeans

@eangal

Жыл бұрын

@@zainebhammouda5529 ahh. I haven’t gotten to that part, that’s my bad!

@somting1329

Жыл бұрын

@@eangalwasn’t Eunchae 14 at the time it was filmed

@eangal

Жыл бұрын

@@somting1329im not exactly sure. she just turned 16 in november. if this doc was filmed more than a year ago, then yes. but it kinda looked like it might’ve been filmed at the beginning of this year.

1:32:45 The whole drama with garam started the day she was revealed as a member almost an entire month before their debut so the management team kinda knew what was going/what might happen (or they only knew some parts bc at first it was just rumors of her being an iljin/troublemaker/part of a gang). They tried to defend her for as long as they could but eventually the bullying rumor came out along with a statement from the other girl’s lawyer and documentation of the punishment she received and the gp was unforgiving + people stopped tuning into the group and stopped buying the album. Also garam was getting so much horrible hate that along with everything else, I think Hybe thought it would be best to let her go. They probably mixed footage of the rest of the girls practicing the 5-member formation after Garam left.

@pnlpyng7625

Жыл бұрын

What really sucks is that it turned out she was innocent/didn't commit the acts she was accused of and yet there's still so many people out there who are determined to make her out as a villain. A 17 year old girl! Not to mention the accuser swayed the opinion of the public (the public shouldn't really have an opinion to be honest, they weren't there when it happened and neither should they even have a say) by playing a nasty publicity trick that most would advise not to do + Kakao being out to ruin every other group except theirs, like IVE (as a Dive, I'm sad that they're under such horrible people, but we can't do anything about them because they're the higher ups). When cases are still being investigated, both sides are not to release ANY information until the case is over, in order to remain neutral in the investigation. But nope, "Yoo Eunseo" decided that they were going to release "information" about Garam commiting these hideous acts to try to ruin her reputation, which sadly worked in their favour. AND the information leaked by Yoo Eunseo's legal team were fabricated to only show one perspective. The level of punishment Garam recieved wasn't based upon a specific guideline, like "if you commited physical violence, you get a 6+" rather, the school decided. I don't have much knowledge in the Korean school system, so mistake me if I'm wrong, but there's some people on KZread and Tiktok who've explained it much better than me. Basically, Garam did have some faults, she was immature and decided cursing out someone was the right way to stand up for a friend instead of talking to an adult, but what she was accused of that was so intense, that was completely false. It was obvious from the start Yoo Eunseo was out to ruin Garam's career and dreams. Either way, I wish Garam the best. Eunseo too, though she was the perpetrator in this event. We can only hope Eunseo matures and realizes what she did was wrong.

@syafiqaszamin6411

Жыл бұрын

@@pnlpyng7625 yes, there’s even an accusation by random people making up stuff about her dating Hybe executives just because they hate the company.

I really applaud Zuha here like she really dropped everything and moved to another country where she doesn’t really speak the language… if i were her, y’all can see me freaking out every f-ing minute of this documentary HAHAHAHAHA

@expensivepink7

6 ай бұрын

seriously - major respect for her

i remember whe hybe tried to not make the garam situation a whole mess but people were so mad cause they didn't just threw her out at the very first sight of controversy, but look at people now, saying that they shoul'd take her back and stuff, when hybe had to let her go because of people ruining the group's reputation over a bullying case that wasn't confirmed or even had legally ended, this is why kpop sometimes sucks, cause when a company wants to really wait and see if the artist fucked up people come and talk shit untill there's no return and a girls career is fucked.

@user-rw4xs5uh4g

Жыл бұрын

Literally and then these people who bullied garam out of the group want to come blame it on the company for not protecting her now that they found out she’s innocent is genuinely crazy. They’re the reason she had to leave hybe was defending her just fine but the bullying got to the point where it was affecting the whole group not only garam. On top of that they always bring up garam whenever the rest of the girls ever do anything and always treat it like she needs to be replaced it boils my blood

yo what is that chat lmao... literally nitpicking and shitton on every single thing jesus christ

@JDsayslol

9 ай бұрын

Pissed me off so bad omg. Also them saying the men in the audience are disgusting and making them sick when 1. theyre probably fans of chaewon and sakura who are both grown women in their 20's, and 2. seb is literally a grown man watching them too. Such a weird chat..

People still dont understand how kpop industry works. Chat be doing so much "they are minor, and this and that" If you yourself think how fuck up this is, don't you think they don't know about it? its always gonna be pros and cons. Yes, trainees are young to go all though that, I do agree. they know that already. No one is forcing them to go all through that. if you think that's harsh, you will not survive in the real world, and being an idol in the real world is 100 times harder. Edit: Chat keeps bringing up Garam issue. why is she not showing? because her contract is already terminated. Company will get sued if they show her. And no, they can't just magically bring her back to the group even she is proven innocent. We don't know behind the scene what kind of agreement she had went she left the company. We'll never know that. Imagine, her leaving the group already affected the future plans of LS. Company have to adjust everything without Garam. if she decided to come back, they will have to adjust again. Dont tell me that "Hybe is a big company they have the resources." But I'm sure LS management don't have time to redo all of it just for Garam to comeback. and what? so that kpoppies nitpicking on her again and bully her. Dont get me wrong i love Garam and been neutral. But I think its better this way. Let the girl rest for a while, and if being an idol is what she wants, I'm sure she'll pursue it again.

@kawajama2907

Жыл бұрын

Btw, every minor,student in korea suffer same thing. We dont’t have much choice. Beat other to be best.

@ds-zd9qz

Жыл бұрын

People that scream unfair are all under the age of 18 and have never worked hard to point of tears or exhaustion at anything theyve wanted in there lives. People work harder than idols are there jobs that are more strenuous every day.

their music is really good and this docu made me stan them. they really have a potential becoming one of my ults 😍

What really sucks about Garam having her contract terminated is that it turned out she was innocent/didn't commit the acts she was accused of and yet there's still so many people out there who are determined to make her out as a villain. A 17 year old girl! Not to mention the accuser swayed the opinion of the public (the public shouldn't really have an opinion to be honest, they weren't there when it happened and neither should they even have a say) by playing a nasty publicity trick that most would advise not to do + Kakao being out to ruin every other group except theirs, like IVE (as a Dive, I'm sad that they're under such horrible people, but we can't do anything about them because they're the higher ups). When cases are still being investigated, both sides are not to release ANY information until the case is over, in order to remain neutral in the investigation. But nope, "Yoo Eunseo" decided that they were going to release "information" about Garam commiting these hideous acts to try to ruin her reputation, which sadly worked in their favour. AND the information leaked by Yoo Eunseo's legal team were fabricated to only show one perspective. The level of punishment Garam recieved wasn't based upon a specific guideline, like "if you commited physical violence, you get a 6+" rather, the school decided. I don't have much knowledge in the Korean school system, so mistake me if I'm wrong, but there's some people on KZread and Tiktok who've explained it much better than me. Basically, Garam did have some faults, she was immature and decided cursing out someone was the right way to stand up for a friend instead of talking to an adult, but what she was accused of that was so intense, that was completely false. It was obvious from the start Yoo Eunseo was out to ruin Garam's career and dreams. Either way, I wish Garam the best. Eunseo too, though she was the perpetrator in this event. We can only hope Eunseo matures and realizes what she did was wrong. They cut her out of the documentary in order to stay away from legal issues, due to Garam no longer being under HYBE and it being illegal to include her without parental consent. Honestly, I think they probably shouldn't have even released it. I appreciate how hard all these girls worked to get their dream, wish the best for Ruka in the future too, but you literally just cut out some of the most important information which is Garam being in the group! She got cut off because of the legal issues, but that puts a damper on the whole experience because the hardships were faced by the ENTIRE group. They would've been better off not making it at all.

What happened to Garam was the same as Soojin's (G)I-DLE same stuff, unfair shit happened and there's still people with hope that or Gram or Soojin will rejoin their groups, but it's so sad tho cuz they get accused of stuff they didn't do and then their whole career and name gets destroyed And what's "funny" is the fact that there were so called fans agreeing with those accusations (on both cases) and now they saying "comeback Soojin, we miss you" like wtf

Bro, people were the real monsters. They put these girls into a fire pit at their very beginning. These girls suffered a lot & people didn't even let them to breath freely & it was so hard to survive from those hates. I hope they will have a chance to show what they got & how they are good enough to be the best kpop gg of all time. I'm eagerly waiting for their next comback. Their story line is fu*king damn good & it makes sense bcs it contain their life story & this documentary gives a spoiler to their next comeback & their whole story line. I wanna say they have the best meaningful concept & the story line among 4th gen ggs.

HYBE hired good photoshoppers and editors cause even though i could see one glimpse of her which was enough to confirm she was there, I could not see her. And its alright on their part because they dont have access to revealing her face to the public anymore as their contract has ended, so it would be illegal if they showed her here. People put that girl through hell.

not us falling for le sserafim at the same time

IM SO HAPPY WE GOT SOME GIRL GROUP CONTENT

the comment section in that twitch live throws me off like some of it rubs me in a wrong way, some of them just say wtv

@JDsayslol

9 ай бұрын

Me too they were so weird and annoying and kind of ruining the docu for seb

OMG YAS THANK YOU FOR POSTING IT ON YT

Sakura is 24 Chaewon is 23 Yunjin is 22 Kazhua is 18 Eunchae is 15 But on some real, I don't think idols should debut until 18, like train and hone those skills, yea you can be talented at 14-15 but there's so much more to learn. I wish Garam could be back as well but knetz already have their minds set that she is the bully, it's messed up but I hope Garam does debut as a soloist and shocks the kpop industry, that would be mf EPIC!

@hanykpop

Жыл бұрын

i agree. but regarding the knets, idk if theyre completely at fault. i honestly forget all the details bc jts been a while but in my opinion, based off what i remember, hybe didn't exactly handle the situation well to convince them/us otherwise. while they were withholding information to "protect a minor" there were other ways they could have disclosed information without revealing any identities, being too specific, etc. additionally, the rumors started a month before they debuted. despite knowing how big the rumors would have become, they could have taken the time to look into it more before debuting the group. again, this is all my opinion and based off of some faded facts that i barely remember, but yeah i agree with everything else you said

@pnlpyng7625

Жыл бұрын

@@hanykpop We can't blame HYBE for everything, though. They might've been able to try to salvage Garam at least a little bit, but they didn't which sucks, but they can't control everything. I said under another comment that Yoo Eunseo's side played a dirty publicity stunt by releasing/leaking "information" from the case, when in court, you are not allowed to release anything until you get the okay from the judge or the case is dismissed. By doing that, they were able to sway the publics opinions and ruin Garam's image. HYBE can't do anything about that, other than releasing what Garam's statement is according to her. The "protecting a minor" thing probably wasn't the best wording on their side, they could've just explained they aren't allowed to release information, so that's also probably why they got faulted for Garam's departure from the group. Because of their "poor handling of the situation". So yes, they did handle the situation poorly by not explaining everything on their side, but all the other stuff, they can't be blamed for.

@hanykpop

Жыл бұрын

@@pnlpyng7625 I mean I never said it was solely their fault. All I said was that Hybe could have done better. But yeah you're right.

for the age part, bro there is only 1 underage member in the group, all the others are 18 and over, the way you are talking is like all of them are 14, are you mixing them up with New Jeans, what is going on here? And like every entertainment in our society, we see child actors, classical pianist that train really early, just look at any sports that has big money and future and you see kids training day to night for basketball, football, tennis, their parents paid for lesson and they go to academy for that aiming to be pro. Look at European soccer, there are 13 years in professional clubs scouted to be in their junior squad. Kpop is no more special than those industries, if all the other industries are acceptable norm, then this is the reality. Holy hell, your chat, the only word I can describe them is "Karen" omg, they are the epitome of judging people while they on a pedestal. I bet they are type that will complain when someone give them free food and the food is not up to their standard.

TO THIS DAY i need my justice for Ruka, she recently competed on ‘R U NEXT?’ and got eliminated.

I think you don’t understand a lot about what their saying

That's the thing about Hybe, I Feel they really know how to choose a group & it's members, they chose members based on talents, like mindedness, & overall sentiment that fit the concept for this team. In the beginning that girl that was cut i'm sure will debut in a different team later on.

@amyrah8145

Жыл бұрын

They won’t reveal her unless she’s going to be in some show later on

Watching this with chat was a terrible decision. Like my god your chat is so childish

sakura also said the team has to go through body measurements every fucking month. the stress that has to put on them is sad.

seb only one of the members is a minor xD sakura is 24 , chaewon is 22 yunjin is 20, kazuha is 19 and eunchae is 16

Has anyone watched the Le Serafim documentary? There it is shown how difficult it is to become an idol Behind the 3 permanent members that can't be replaced like Sakura, Chaewon and Yunjin At the beginning of the formation of le seraphim There's something odd about one of the participants who failed, namely Haruka was not edited but actually displayed Was she deliberately featured to promote her at next year's event on MNET I LAND 2 Girl So that the public knows him first In addition editing kim salt is he the last member added or before eunchae after kazuha But salt editing is really perfect On the other hand Some members have their own stories Like Miyawaki Sakura left all the comforts of popularity she had gained during her 10 year career in Japan and took the risk to start over from scratch as a trainer in a foreign country and debut again While Chaewon wants to change an image that is more different from when he was in izone he wants to challenge himself While Yunjin after being cut Pledis entertaiment he decided to return to the USA to return to school and prepare for college There were many offers from other agencies that he got but were turned down because they would focus on his education But a call from HYBE made him change his mind and hope this will be his last chance to debut He went from the USA back to Korea Why does yunjin want to because he will be a permanent member in project S And it's impossible to replace as for Kazuha's story, she had to give up her dream of being a unique belerina. Her roommate when she became a belerina was Korean. Kazuha is one of the members with the worst dance but because she keeps on learning her skills improve Lastly Eunchae is a little boy who was suddenly called while he was having lunch and was announced to debut with the project S Eunchae is young and energetic

@nicoleloss7987

Жыл бұрын

Girl she her. Please use the correct pronouns.

@ramdanapri3644

Жыл бұрын

@@nicoleloss7987 I land 2 2023 MNET girl group I land 1 boy group 2020

With the age thing… yeah i think it is mainly “business” like for longevity and bc younger ppl have more stamina etc. + i hope there would be a minimum age like 18 for debut, 16 for trainee maybe

Love the vid but char was hella annoying

Well le sserafim members debuted at pretty good ages all of them are between 19 and 24 except Eunchae who is 16 (the youngest)

I don't know.. the higher ups are asses but their instructors for dancing and singing are pretty nice. If it wasn't for the feedback they got they wouldn't be as good as they are right now. It's funny seeing chat say a literal dance instructor is doing too much for critiquing a trainee in a way that wasn't even rude honestly. It's like some people don't want them to be corrected at all 💀 For the appeal thing, I take it as lacking charisma, charm, stage presence which could have been true at the time. Some idols do. I think a lot of kpop stans need to be honest with themselves and get over the idea that "everyone is great" not everyone is good at everything they do especially not in the beginning. Yes they all work hard and that should be acknowledged but if you're not at a certain level that's just what it is and if it wasn't for teachers like this they'd debut and have everyone making fun of them because as audiences even if you aren't necessarily good at something yourself a lot of people can see or hear when something is off. I don't deny that there are very ridiculous or even abusive instructors but these ones they have seem to have good intentions so it's interesting. That chaewon clip probably looked great to most people but if the teacher asked her to perform at a certain level of energy and she didn't or is used to her performing far better than what we saw I can understand why she said what she said. If anything her acknowledging it was okay to have bad days was what was surprising because strict teachers typically act like it's prohibited. I don't know the industry has it's fault of course but a lot of people try to make it seem like every single thing that happens is the worse thing imaginable. That being said the weight issues in this are just awful and it's a sad sight to see, I'm glad they spoke up for themselves at the very least. Unfortunately that's just how society is everywhere really just with different standards of /how/ skinny but it won't change unless people make an effort to.

I’m grabbing some pop corn I’ll be right back

i have like 4ft long hair and it definitely gets in the way

I can’t remember who said this but they said that even when they get their title song and record it, they still don’t know the final line up. They could even be filming the music video and they wouldn’t know. They won’t know the final debut group until the video is out and they’re on the stage.

The company did their all to defend and help Garam,but the public has alr formed their opinion on the case..and until today,it's still not confirmed that she's innocent yet..the case hasn't settled yet...seeing how much the company did to debut Le Sserafim,trying to keep Garam for a long time can cause damage to the group's future. Personally,I can understand why the company let Garam go. I wouldn't want one person to ruin the other members' chance to fly high either...the public also gave better opinion on the group now that Garam is gone too... P.s. I'm not a company defender. Im a fan of GFriend so what they did to the group still pissed me off. But in Garam's case,I would've done the same thing tbh

@nlual9983

Жыл бұрын

Hybe withheld important information that would have cleared her name so no… they did not do their all to protect her. They initially stood by her but failed to hold their ground and crumbled under the pressure of the fans. Also since you seem to be out of the loop, Garam has proved her innocence by releasing the official documents herself, she cleared her own name and i suggest you take time to read it.

@mxrchive

Жыл бұрын

@@nlual9983 I will take time to search more info up,but a lot for ppl still don't consider herself innocent bc there are no clear clarification

@nlual9983

Жыл бұрын

@@mxrchive It’s very much clear. If you don’t understand you can always ask individuals for more clarification instead of making claims that make it seem like she isn’t innocent when the truth is that she has never done anything to be guilty of.

@mxrchive

Жыл бұрын

@@nlual9983 I just checked and noticed that the issue was cleared a few days ago..it was indeed a shame that she's no longer in the group, so it is a fault from my side that I only found out now. I do hope she can be successful somewhere else,but I am still glad that the group managed to continue their activities. They worked too hard to let the issue ruin their future tbh. And I'm not saying that Garam didn't work as hard,but the other members also deserve to continue their activities w/o having to face the anger of the public bc of garam's issue ..

@nlual9983

Жыл бұрын

@@mxrchive I appreciate you taking the time to look at her case! I’m also glad the other girls are moving passed it, as they should. They all worked just as hard and their efforts shouldn’t go to waste. Let’s keep congratulating their success while wishing Garam a healthy life 💛

Hello from the Netherlands! 😌🫶🇳🇱

It’s EXTREMELY unlikely (and I mean impossible) that garam will redebut as a soloist, in another group or with lsrfm again. She has moved on completely she’s going school and she’s happy with where she is right now. She released a statement she is innocent but I think she wouldn’t rejoin even if she had the chance. And it wasn’t hybes fault she left they had no choice bc the bullying got too bad

These girls are hard working and they don’t need any bloody diets! Who the hell is Hybe hiring as managers these days?. Not impressed

@nicoleloss7987

Жыл бұрын

Dieting in the entertainment industry is sadly normal. But companies should hire nutrition to manger them on healthy foods. No child or teenagers should be dieting unless they are overweight, have a illness or food allergy

@lizethqp2258

Жыл бұрын

dieting is literally totally normal in the entertainment industry, not just them but actors and child actors or singers, its normal. Tv out so much weight on you so they need to be extra fit and skinny, i dont agree with this and its also KOREAN SOCIETY like koreans considder fat someone who weight 50 kg like for them that so overweight

4:48 That person isn’t try to touch her, thats her bodyguard trying to stop people asking her sign.

NGL i think they re-shoot some part with only 5 of them after debuting xD especially the youtube countdown

Yunjin?? Lacks appeal??? Ppl haven’t seen her in the HYBE picnic lmao

after that comment about editing garam out at 1:29:50 you can clearly see she's standing behind the dancer instructor

i love your reaction but that comment where someone wanted to “slap” the dance teacher really pissed me off

ok wait im so glad you reacted to this. there are so many topics that i've been thinking that were addressed in this stream and i'm glad there are people who agree. regarding the bullying scandal, just to give it context, bullying in korea is REALLY intense so any sort of bullying allegations is considered REALLY serious. especially a level 5, which to put a visual on it, there was a case where someone fed(?) another student a cigarette and got a level 3. of course it varies from school to school but if that's the case, it doesn't quite line up with some of what hybe said-- but im neither saying garam was innocent nor guilty; im just stating it as it is. so unfortunately, even if hybe tried to defend her, theres not really much they can do after a certain point. its either let one member, who only debuted 16 days prior, go or let the groups reputation drop because of the rumors that just wont stop. next, i want to address my personal pet peeve about kpop companies and industries. first, a quick disclaimer, Kazuha is my bias in the group so don't think my words are bashing her or anything. but regarding kazuha and back-end entry idols. i feel like its so disrespectful that companies do this. how are you going to recruit a ballet dancer with no singing or kpop dancing experience over someone who has been training for forever? like you're telling me you went out to the netherlands to find a new person for the group when there are probably countless of other trainees in the other room practicing, begging for a chance to debut? that's so... that sucks... and debuting them at a young age. well, that just speaks for itself and it was addressed in the video but ig i'll just reiterate. it's actually quite disgusting that companies are prioritizing young age and potential over anything else. like with male groups for example, instead of ruining their career later down the line because they all have to leave for mandatory military service, have them serve first before debuting. have them debut after they at least graduate high school so that if they end up not debuting, they actually have a chance at a decent career. its EXTREMELY difficult to get a job in South Korea without higher education qualifications, meaning for most decent paying jobs you need at least a bachelors. its like theyre setting them up for failure... its not fair and frankly abusive... and finally, the harsh practice conditions. although it sucks, it's their job... unfortunately, that's the reality. by not constantly performing your best and letting letting lazy or "imperfect" runs occur, your body unconsciously starts to lose strength, so even when youre performing at your best, it's not considered "good enough" or up to standard with other idols. remember, these girls have to essentially compete with other idols with years, maybe even decades of experience. you can't take that lightly. i know a lot of people, based on what chat was saying during chaewon's part, were saying that it was too harsh, but that sort of mindset just screams theyve never competed seriously before. especially nowadays, new idols are like debut every other day, its tough trying to be famous... thanks for reading opinions haha feel free to comment your own thoughts agreeing or disagreeing with me

God I love le sserafim

About the whole jealousy thing she didn’t mean she wants her to be better than her members she meant that she wants her to feel like she wants their amount of skill and passion and put more work in to reach their level as they have more experience than her and that’s the only way she can improve quickly

there are many editing techniques that can cut a person out of the frame actually... I really don't think that the scandal was planned beforehand. I mean it's just too stupid for a company to do this. cons outweigh pros if that's the case.

57:10 kazuha built like that LOL.

42:51 yes it is extremely hard and i often get the feeling to wanna cut it off for getting in my way😭✋🏼

i love these girls sm 😭

Le sserfirm only has one minor in the group. New jeans are all minors / teenagers

@life-byme

Жыл бұрын

new jeans have 2 members that are 18 years old so not all are minors

hkt48부터 아이즈원,르세라핌까지 진짜 성장형 아이돌의 정석인 사쿠라.인간승리

24:59 i think you took that too personally

It's actually Source Music that manages Le Sserrafim not exactly HYBE Labels. Source Music is the company that managed Gfriend, let's just say that Source Music isn't that great. I agree with you about the weight things.

You would think that is crzay... But in korea nowadays girl group wars....competition is crazy....so many girl groups are coming....

13:54 TRUE!

Sakura is a 98 liner. A reminder to all.

So let's put in the basketball terms. You are PG and just got drafted by GS Warriors. You become a team mate of Curry. You love him, you respect him and you admire him. But you need to want to be better than Curry someday. It does not mean you hate Curry, does not mean you don't like Curry but you need to use him as your motivation to become as great as you could be as a basketball player.

Sakura stood up against the dieting stuff...good for her

Seb needs to understand how f up people are. People do not care about the truth. They always look for the reason to shit on idol groups, and Garam was the perfect reason to shit on LSF regardless of the truth about Garam and the accusation. As an idol group you can not afford to have that negativity following you all the time. It isn't about whether the company was right and wrong. It was just the circumstances were all f up.

I'm not sure what's off about saying having envy and ambition, but I think it's very present in many cultures, not just for us asians. I've watched western tv competitions and reality shows and i've heard it too. mind you, they plan to become idols, they are not expected to be stagnant. They need to grow not just as performers but also as people. To grow, you need ambition. To be inspired, you need to feel envy (not in a negative way u think) for what others can do. This is a statement of confidence among trainees that all of them have the same potential and that ambition can lead each of them to grow individually, and consequently, as a collective. Also, just wanted to point out those trainees who don't make the cut for the debut team are not cut off. They're not kicked out of the company. They continue to train to be better and more prepared for a much more challenging idol life. and like the girls said there, Ruka was still pretty young. She has more to improve on. Would like to point out also that Garam (the member kicked out but now shown in this docu), was thoroughly investigated and the bullying allegations were proven to be true. I for sure would not support anyone with problematic backgrounds like this. I feel bad for her failure to continue as an idol, but I won't say she didn't deserve it lol. Idk about u guys, but idc how young, bullies are bullies. Discipline is due. She was very much protected by the company too. She was not kicked out until much later on after the investigation. They even denied it at first. But i will always side with the victim lol. Let's not look at this with the perspective of her falling off her dreams, but more of the victims getting their justice. :)

@mamadouniang8208

Жыл бұрын

i was agree with you until the last paragraph , no garam was not proven guilty of bullying acusation , in fact she never bullied anyone ,she release the full 10 pages of the SVC document given by her school who prove she never bullied anyone , she receive a punition because she curse and confronte the "victime" who take nak*d pictures of garam friend and put in on internet , everything is written on the document , so if you want to side with this kind of "victime" it's your choice but don't spreed false information about garam , you already ruin this girl dream so you don't need to make lie about her.

@rentaro8556

Жыл бұрын

your last paragraph is incredibly false. please do more research on the topic before spreading harmful information like that none of her bullying allegations were proven true at all. bullying denotes "habitual" and "constant" behavior, none of which was proven anywhere. the main conflict was between her and an individual party, yoo eunseo also, "always siding with the victim" is absolutely stupid. so you're telling me, any anonymous source can just make a claim as a victim and you would believe them no matter what? thats some dumb logic. it was a middle school spat, that's it

Brush do you know what college students at the same age go through. I drank one or two a day

about lesserafim doesn't mention Garam after she proved to be innocence, because she has left hybe (not the group) cause her contract got terminated.it's mean that Garam become a commoner and doesn't have any business with hybe anymore. Lesserafim member can still contact Garam privately but not publicly, I guess it's because the company prevent them to or because Garam now just an ordinary citizen. If you ask why Haruka is mention in this documentary. My guess it's because she still a trainee under hybe. Edit : i think it's for the better that Garam leave the group and take a rest. At first when I heard about this group, I though that they gonna be like (I really doesn't want to mention other group but😖) IVE. That Sakura, Chaewon, and Yunjin gonna leave a really big shadow to the other member. I thought the company gonna play favoritism on those three and ignore the other. But thankfully, they treated equally in the group and they also shine on their own. So please show some support on this girls, accept what happened to the group and move on!!

@billyroberts6774

Жыл бұрын

Typical OT5 person comment. Original fans have every right to mention Garam as she is part of LE SSERAFIM.Period, her voice is still retained on the mini album despite them editing her from the Oyster documentary. If you don't like comments about her...'and I know this sounds incredible to you BUT'...Just scroll TF down and don't be a drama queen. Passive aggression personified from these haters.

The only think that pisses me off is that they cut garam out and kept the eliminated member,like I understand that's she got kicked out but she also left so it doesn't make sense

@Etoile_J

Жыл бұрын

Haruka is most likely still a trainee under Hybe so they can include her much more easily than someone whose contract was terminated

@nicoleloss7987

Жыл бұрын

Garam contact was terminated. Legal they had to cut her out of all the footage.

@paulina.7601

Жыл бұрын

they legally cannot show her shes not in the company anymore therefore they need consent to show her face from her parents since shes a minor

Truly wish the best for this group but it's hard for me to watch their content knowing how Source Music & Hybe exploited Garam. She deserves everything the world has to offer. I don't think this documentary should have been made since it eraces all of Garam's efforts knowing she was there from the very beginning. I get them not wanting to be sued but this could have easily been made into some 'behind the scenes' content for fans to see. Great reaction by the way!

@nicoleloss7987

Жыл бұрын

That's not how the real world works

@nlual9983

Жыл бұрын

@@nicoleloss7987 you not makin sense babe, everything in my comment is from a realistic pov 😭

@chavalisaipavan5472

Жыл бұрын

I mean they r still selling millions nd will only go up from here, it's not like u matter in the long run 😂😂😂😂😂......

@lizethqp2258

Жыл бұрын

i dont think the company exploited her. The korean society made the decision to literally kick garam out of the industry. Like once the gp and korean consider garam guilty then she will always be guilty. There was no way to save the situation, korea is awful tbh. And its probably the best to not show garam here bc that would be exploatation like you said, and probably the parents didnt want garam to be show here and expose her like that AGAIN. Bc at the end of the day garam cannot give any permission only her parents can do. And as a parent i wouldnt let my kid keep being in the industry when every single kpop fan and public in general is insulting her and calling her whatever they want to

@p.a.681

Жыл бұрын

Kpop stans need to stop trying to rewrite history. HYBE supported Garam from the very beginning of the controversy and stood by her for so long that so many people began to claim that she must be a rich or the daughter of a shareholder or higher up in the company. Some people even tried to insinuate that she had s** with Bang PD. At the end of the day, it was best for HYBE to let her go, for her sake and the sake of the remaining Le Sserafim members.

she decided to leave by herself

I don't know why Haku left the company. She might have been kicked out of the company, or she might have given up because he was physically or mentally exhausted. That's what the director sounds like in Korean.

@girlwhowentbazzinga

Жыл бұрын

People are theorising that she might be in Iland 2 because they won't show her otherwise

@Kodefearless

Жыл бұрын

she did not leave the company she is still a trainee under Hybe. management basically thought she wasn't a good fit for the group I believe.

@cheok4676

Жыл бұрын

@@Kodefearless Right, I made a mistake She left the team, not the company

Seb, Garam is not inocent, bro :/ Both she and the other girl did bad things to each other and to other people, so she really isn't innocent, but the other girl who exposed her wouldn't call me a victim either, just someone spiteful who took the opportunity to get revenge on another person, think of the girl from "All of us are d34d" who made the protagonist's friend turn into a zombie just because at the beginning of the series he pushed her roughly. It's something like that xd

@nlual9983

Жыл бұрын

You need to go & read the official document. Making this sort of claim knowing she’s not a bully and definitely is innocent of every claim that’s ever been made against her, take a good look in the mirror & tell me what you find wrong in somebody protecting another individual from having their privacy invaded for the internet to see? It’s not a funny situation nor anything like what you’re referring to. Garam is a victim of cyber bullying & physical harassment from those she went to school with. Be serious for once.

@TS-fk7ws

Жыл бұрын

The only thing Garam did was defend her friend from the "victim" who took inappropriate pics of her friend and posted them publicly, she did what any good friend would do for their friend, and I would do what she did but probably worse, Garam is a victim of cyber bullying and bullying in general, she her self has a disability and was bullied about that too, she is innocent in what she was accused of, she deserves the biggest apology from haters and bandwagon anti's.

@jeffrianbanton5138

Жыл бұрын

she is innocent the document said she got a level 5 for harss language the other girl got a level 8 for posting nude photos of the garams friend. also this was so long ago that I don't think it wanted all this criticisms.