Delivered a nice even cut, has the super tight turning ability kzread.infoUgkx1VWTrayKBdCKAjzAcZ_Eg4dhHTae3LkN also recommend I was looking for, and is just a blast to drive. It takes a little bit to get used to driving one after driving a normal tractor style, but once you've got it, you've got it. If you're cutting lines, you have to be careful spinning the mower around or the back tire will dig a bare spot. Just take it nice and slow during the turn and then it's back to full throttle across the yard!

I bought my Exmark 5 years ago and had Toro mowers prior to that. At that time the underside of the cutting deck was compartmentalized differently and did provide a slightly better cut. But one of the biggest differences was that I was able to customize the Exmark by picking out the engine that I wanted along with the deck size, and other items, whereas when I bought the Toro, it only came one way, no options, no choices in engine type, nothing.........take it or leave it. Hopefully Toro will allow some customization now.

Ive been a toro guy all my life, great machine. Sold my timecutter hd and bought an Exmark Radius X. You will be happy with either brand. Only difference is cutting deck. After the sale service and parts availability is a big factor too

I've owned both for many years and cut quality is the same as is the striping. It really comes down to specs, price and dealer. I've been lucky in that my dealer sells both Toro and Exmark but most don't. Choose a reputable dealer and a machine that fits your needs and you won't disappointed in either brand.

I agree chose a dealer near you ,but I have noticed with my lazer Z 72 I have had issue with my engine and it comes down to a design issue on mine 2018 , the exhaust was not installed properly and puts stress on the engine head .

We have run Toro since our beginnings in the 1980’s and for us it comes down to 1. cutting quality/deck design and reliability 2. Dealer service and support 3. Machine availability and standardization especially for the our mechanics. Therefore we run Toro for all our Sport Field, Golf Course and Commercial Maintenance teams and been very pleased with the manufacturer. ExMark makes a quality product even before they were purchased by Toro but for our company and various services we provide the standardization works well for us but every company is different so they need to determine what fits best for the services they provide and dealerships parts and services in their area.

@soulja617

4 ай бұрын

I want a toro titan max but the floor board doesn’t even go up

The deck and deck fabrication are the biggest difference. Exmark deck out performs toro decks in both high grass and wet grass.

You can't beat a Toro. I'm still running a 2004 Toro Timecutter 17-44ZX. Next year it will be 20 years old! I'm impressed! But I have taken care of it and replaced the motor once.

@chipsammich2078

3 ай бұрын

Running a 2004 lazer-z exmark hr meter stopped at 3800hrs.. still runs perfect

@glastornjet73

2 ай бұрын

I love my 2003 Lazer Z HP

Didn't know Toro owned ExMark. I was going to get an ExMark Laser Z but I liked the equivalent Toro, so now knowing they are essentially the same it comes down the best dealer as you mentioned and is close by that will provide good support.

@williamnewsome5169

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Toro purchased Xmark back in 1997, primarily for their patented deck design.

I really enjoyed this video. I had heard they had merged, now I know the full detail. Very interesting that Toro actually makes the Exmark brand. Nice point about how well the grass is cut at golf courses, not sure what brand they use to cut their grass, but I have seen some MLB grounds crew use the Toro brand.

@howeequipment

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! I try to tell it like it is!

I’ve used them both pretty heavily, I generally prefer exmark simply because of dealer support; however I prefer the exmark vantage / toro grandstand stand on vs the newer staris and vertex models. In the end it is very similar to Chevy / GMC, a lot comes down to preferences and availability.

@howeequipment

Жыл бұрын

We're with you on that. Thanks for watching.

@BigRedServicesLLC

Жыл бұрын

@@howeequipment you’re welcome

@yumpinyiminy963

Жыл бұрын

Comes down to preferences and availability and price. I can't see what you get for the extra cost of the exmark. Especially for non-commercial use.

The Exmark deck has aluminum alloy spindle housings and the Toro deck you showed has Toro’s cast steel spindle housings and probably roller bearings instead of sealed ball bearings.

Only one!? Seriously. Thanks!! 🤩

great video! thanks!

I went back and forth with dealers and I thought they were the same other than the deck, I think toro deck is built better with bull nose and wheel support, I went with toro it was a few hundred dollars cheaper for basically the same mower and the exmark dealer pissed me off trying to tell me they were different knowing they are the same other than deck.

@howeequipment

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! I tend to agree that the Toro deck is a bit better. Thanks for watching.

I'm a Gravely guy but both are great mowers. Had a friend with a Toro beat it to death still going!!!

I'm considering 60" Toro, timecutter is $1300 cheaper than titan. Is the titan worth the difference?

When I see an ex mark it reminds of a wheel horse tractor which I’m a big fan of.

I have the 2022 radius a series which no longer offers the suspension model and also had a Kawasaki FX engine on it

The xmark have a ADAPT FEATURE for the deck blade cut. Do Toro have that 🤔

Not a commercial guy but I do enjoy cutting grass and perfectly maintaining my mower. Don't laugh at my naivete (maybe a little) but I have a Toro MX5050 50" fabricated deck with the Kohler 7000 KT735 24hp engine. I maintain 1-1/2 acres cutting at 4" and bagging clippings from my TTTF lawn. I read about the exceptional cut of a Scag TT2 or an Emark Laxer Z, etc. Not sure what defines an exceptional cut and would love for someone experienced in these matters to define what is meant by it My Toro MX5050 ($4,000), cuts the lawn so even and smooth, although it is cut to a height of 4", it looks like it is only 2" due to the thickness of the lawn and the precise, even cut. Never any stringers or double cuts. note: I have a professional blade sharpner which I use to maintain 4 sets of 32 degree angle sharpened blades which I change out every 8 cuts. Thanks for your comments.

I get that your a toro dealer but exmark has been putting out stronger quality mowers prior to toro buying exmark.

Ran a toro and x mark. 62 inch decks on both exmark for sure an all around cut banging job...toro great as well but that toro could hold a hill like crazy...dixie chopper brand new shit. Worked for uncles landscape business as a team team of two 70 yards a week. In that 4 town houses and two storage facility. I mowed grass legit not a small time thing.

Rumor years ago was that Toro bought Exmark because they wanted their deck design. And I can pretty much confirm they are similar “tractors” with different decks going back 20+ years. I’m probably going to be putting a Toro deck under a LazerZ in the next couple days unless my friend gets my hydro pump rebuilt on the ZMaster. Between the decks, they look similar but the toro uses bigger spindles and a single belt for the mule drive and blades. The exmark has smaller spindles and pulleys and 2 separate belts - one for the deck spindles and another between the engine and the deck. All hangers look identical so I’m hoping my experiment works. Incidentally on the subject of hydro systems, between the 3 machines I have they all use the same wheel motor but all 3 pumps are different. The exmark has a 22hp liquid cooled Kaw, while the 2 ZMasters have 27hp liquid cooled Kaws. Can’t really discern much difference between the way they run.

Howe, the Hydro-Gear model number is not the pump volume size. The pump volume is more like 10cc vs 12cc.

@howeequipment

Жыл бұрын

I’ve got that from the many comments thanks

Bought my quest s 34in 452 in 2017 specifically because back then you cannot get any Toro with a deck lifting pedal or a 10guage welded deck they were all stampped decks back then. And. I got my staris e 36in. In 2019 as it was the only stand on available within 4 hrs drive of me. Also no toros came with solid front tires or or kawasaki fs600. Even today the grandstand 36 gets the kawasaki 541. But nearly everthing else is identical. I believe my next unit will be a toro. If the price is better and the the units are identical.

My neighbor and I bought an exmark and torro from the same dealer. I bought the xmark and he got the torro. We both have 3 acre lots. My Xmark has a much better cut. I was also able to get a 60" deck and he only got 52" I love my X-mark.

@howeequipment

Жыл бұрын

We’re they the same price/level?

@harolddenton6031

11 ай бұрын

Which Exmark did you buy? The radius series ans s models only have the 3 series cutting deck. Have to step up to higher level radius x series i think yi get the better 4 series ultra cut exmark deck. Then it is a almost 11 grand mower.

It depends how you treat them as well

I have a question for you. I have a Toro 54" Timecutter Myride. I ordered new blades for the deck and they are not sharpened. I took it to a place and they said it's suppose to be that way (Non-mulch). True or false?

@howeequipment

Жыл бұрын

Brand new blades come with a leading edge, but it won’t be sharpened where you see metal, it will be painted over

@yumpinyiminy963

Жыл бұрын

@@howeequipment Thanks for the response. OK. I miss spoke a bit. The 1st set sent to me was not the right blades and they were not sharpened. I have since bought 2 new sets. 1 blade in each set is rather dull compared to the others and the others could be sharper. I may take a file to them. Also the shape / bends in the metal is not consistent. A bit disappointed for buying OEM parts. Probably made in China. I know about the paint. It is not the issue.

What about dollar difference for same models?

Exmark was a favorite of mine When Exmark was Exmark Now I would much prefer a scag

@chipsammich2078

2 ай бұрын

Scags are junk.. lucky to make it through a summer of hard mowing. Just my opinion.. I bought a scag before my exmark, and never again will own a scag But scags do look cool

I own both and I would say the exmark does have a slightly better cut

@howeequipment

Жыл бұрын

I may do a video in future and bring people in to tell me which side has a better cut without knowing whether it was Toro or Exmark!

@Joy_stick790

Жыл бұрын

Prove it… it’s like saying mountain lightning is better than Mountain Dew. It’s pretty much exactly the same one is just cheaper. Seeing as Toro owns Exmark I doubt they are making their sister label better than their main product label. You just assume it’s a better cut because you like the mower.

@str8upn0l1fe6

Жыл бұрын

​@Joy Stick the decks are different, and honestly, the mowers are slap dab same. Toros started looking like exmark mowers after they bought them out. And really exmark has a few nicer features toro doesn't have and vice versa. But they cut roughly the same and at the end of the day it comes down to the operator using the equipment.

Actually, My 54" TimeCutter cuts better or as good as any service I have used. I was quite impressed for my lumpy lawn.

@howeequipment

Жыл бұрын

Nice!

Lets talk stamped decks vs welded and the like. Skip the lights lol.

I have always been an ex mark guy and I do kind of like the deck on the Toro a little better and I like the black and read of the Toro better than the gray and red of the EX Mark but at this point I wouldn’t buy either with the built-in pump/Motor assemblies if I were to buy a new mower today it would be a bad boy or a Ferris. Because they still use separate pumps and motors.

I don't want either. I have a Cub Cadet zero turn with a steering wheel. I can go on grades those stick machines can't.

I have the ex mark radius X series with 60 inch deck Kawasaki engine and I love it !

@howeequipment

Жыл бұрын

What size transmissions in it?

@boward6686

Жыл бұрын

@@howeequipment i’m not sure , when you mentioned that in the video I was thinking about it now I will have to check !😂👍👍

@howeequipment

Жыл бұрын

@@boward6686 it will say on the back of the transmissions. #1 thing to check next you buy a mower! But that’s a good mower no doubt.

@boward6686

Жыл бұрын

@@howeequipment it really is a good mower I have had zero issues with it but I’m only starting my fourth season with it ! I only mow 2 to 6 acres each time I mow and it does such a great job very pleased ! Thank you for the feedback !

@harolddenton6031

11 ай бұрын

The radius x series should run top firward speed of 10 mph. So it probably has a 3800 drive transmission m.

I don't know for sure in 2024 that Exmark isn't manufactured by Toro, but I do know that Exmark was making its mowers in Exmark facilities even after Toro bought Exmark.

@3:45 I just went foggy with all the options this, options that, 3100cc vs 3400cc HydroGear, mid-tier model vs. Commercial vs residential model numbers, ExMark vs Toro (same parent company). There's no way I wouldn't go into a purchase sales discussion without my defenses up and ready to get into pushing back about sales pitch and bias. This is insanity.

Seems like a shell game from what I gather…. Thanks, good vid

How about Scag vs Toro or ExMark. I’ll take my Scag against isn’t of them

All commercial zero turn mowers use the same components it’s the deck design and cut quality that sets them apart. By far SCAG, Exmark, and Wright have the best decks if you look on landscaping trailers it’s all Exmark and SCAG. I own a older Lazer Z and the cut quality even on an older deck is ridiculous those grass clippings are easily shooting 10 feet.

Why don't they just merge into one and stop this junk, lol.

@howeequipment

Жыл бұрын

It’s actually pretty common across a number of different brands. But people are so loyal to a name and a good experience it makes sense to keep both names a lot of times.

@keithtaylor5568

Жыл бұрын

Twice the products to sell, twice the profit, one R&D budget = corporate no brainer 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️😬

@Justthemow

Жыл бұрын

Toro=exmark, Jacobsen = Dixie chopper, ariens= gravely, Ferris = snapper MTD= EVERYBODY ELSE

@Justthemow

Жыл бұрын

@@howeequipment they aren’t made I.nThe same plant and exmark still has its own engineering team and after a few seasons of exmark having the “new” tech it trickles down to toro

@Sluggo01

Жыл бұрын

When toro purchased Exmark, the agreement was written such that toro can never use the technology of the Exmark ultra deck. It’s in lawful agreement.

which one cuts bermuda grass the best?

@chipsammich2078

2 ай бұрын

Herbicide

I have the quest 50” xmark and have 3400 hrs on it. I will buy another one.

@chipsammich2078

2 ай бұрын

My lazerZ 72" with 27hp kawasaki hr meter guit right under 3800 hrs.. 10 years ago, still runs and cuts amazing

Exmark cut just a little better!

@howeequipment

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

TORO Turbo Force has the option of using GROUNDS MASTER steel tapered roller bearing equipped cutting spindles with 1 1/4 shaft . Way better than Exmark ball bearing alloy spindle housing with 1 inch shaft ...

@pementerprises7706

3 ай бұрын

The Exmark splined blade driver will prevent spindle housing damage on impact so the material of the housing doesn’t make much of a difference other than weight…

@paulthompson1654

3 ай бұрын

Ball bearing in alloy housing ALL eventually the bearings spin in the housing . That is the advantage of steel tapered roller bearings .

@pementerprises7706

3 ай бұрын

@@paulthompson1654 tapered roller bearings have a larger surface area of race contact making them better for taking thrust loads. Both bear types are similar when taking axial loads however the tapered roller bearings produce more heat at high speed hence the need for regular greasing. The disadvantage of cast iron spindles and a tapered roller bearing is if something really hard is hit the energy will be transferred to other components such as the deck shell. I actually warped a scag velocity deck I owned after the old man ran one a low level stump…

@paulthompson1654

3 ай бұрын

Every day I use tapered roller in steel housing always hitting branches on 8 outta 10 jobs . Govt Parks and gardens contractor . Never will have again alloy ball bearing never . 98% commercial grade equipment uses tapered roller with steel housing . Tapered roller locates bearing far better in/out movement or sideways deflection . When Exmark were imported here often were upgraded to Toro Grounds master spindles .

Stainless decks?

@chipsammich2078

2 ай бұрын

Why?

Got a new 2000 toro,lacks the great cut of my old ferris

The deck is everything when cutting grass. Exmark lazer z. All day everyday

Exmark have a little bit better cut 4 sure

@howeequipment

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

For the exmark deck comment, they’re all the same architecture. 7:37

Toro couldn’t compete with Exmark years ago so they purchased the company. Then their mowers started to look like Exmark.

Chevy and GMC

Toro bought out ex mark and they make Toro Zero Turns that is all Exmark technology and they just put the Toro name on it it's like a Chevy pickup truck and a GMC pickup truck

The only difference is the name toro bought exmark years ago to get into the commercial homeowner market because the machines they brought to market were garbage.

This guy definitely selling toro

They are made by the same company

The Toro company owns x mark.

Please stop saying “CC” after talking about the hydrogear trans units. They aren’t “3100 CC” or “3800 CC” lol I love the videos but that part you have said more than once from other videos. Have a grand day and I’ll keep watching the great content

@howeequipment

Жыл бұрын

Ha ha thanks I learned from all the comments on this one. I will be saying ZT from now on lol

sooo, the toro dealer guy doing a comparison on a brand he doesn't sell?? hmmm, wonder which one he prefers....

They both cut good but I personally think your wrong I think the exmark has more technology in making the deck and it will hands down cut better than the toro zero turn. Again, toro cuts fantastic too, just like Toyota makes a killer product, but Lexus is better, it’s a toro and then some honestly. My two cents

@bladesofglorylawns

6 ай бұрын

Also side note, toro makes the baddest reel mowers for gold courses that are insane and then technically the toros cut craps on exmark period. But in terms of a basic lawn service rotary mowing deck I think the exmark smokes the toro on cut quality and I’ve run them both. Actually just sold my exmark radius type X and I freaking loved it but my back can’t take a sit down 8hrs plus Per day

One WAS a independent small manufacturer, the other is a Corporation out to own everything. Which do you support?

eXmark has so many bolt heads in the clippings area…causing buildup that you will have to clean. Pure stupidity.

This music while im trying to listen to deatails is very annoying

Keep walking by both and buy a grasshopper, no comparison

The “branded” engines on these models are the same, made by LCT in China. Just another way for Toro/Exmark to make more profit and not give you a brand name engine.

@bradbailey3500

Жыл бұрын

They are made by Loncin and are known worldwide for reliability and longevity. They are the Toyota of the small engine industry. Loncin is a respected brand name worldwide.

@tylermacconnell217

Жыл бұрын

@@bradbailey3500 Yeah, OK. The bottom line is they are another way for the manufacturer to make more profit. You can say what you want about Chinese engines but there is no one in the lawn industry that would prefer a Chinese engine over a Kawasaki, Vanguard, etc.

@bradbailey3500

Жыл бұрын

@Tyler MacConnell You don't know what you're talking about. And what's wrong with making profit?

@tylermacconnell217

Жыл бұрын

@@bradbailey3500 Explain what I don't know about, please. If people preferred the Chinese engines on lawn equipment, how come Exmark only offers them on their economy models? There's certainly no Lazer Z X series with a Chinese engine. Nothing wrong with making a profit, but many potential buyers of an expensive Exmark mower have no idea the mower they are buying has a Chinese engine.

@jeremyg7975

Жыл бұрын

A branded motor is not avalible in the Lazer series. I had a 54" toro proline hdx that I sold to buy a 52" lazer e..i am much much happier with the Lazer

Years ago the Toro Company bought Exmark because Exmark had superior quality and design. Exmark was getting a substantial foothold in the market so Toro bought them. Toro used a stamped deck for their zero-turn mowers. Exmark continued using the superior welded deck.

@donmundt3573

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely untrue! Toro had fabricated decks long before they acquired Exmark. Since then they both have benefited from shared engineering.

@Sluggo01

Жыл бұрын

Timbuck….your right I have had exmark for years and years…..toro did have stamped decks..like John Deer,,and some others…Exmark first “quest” came out with a stamped deck…but the low end didn’t appeal to me, its the welded Exmark design that makes the FINISH CUT WELL ABOVE THE REST, Toro purchased Exmark but the lawful written agreement said that Toro cannot ever use the Exmark design…its in writing!!

@timbuck2-pv4ce

Жыл бұрын

@@Sluggo01 thank you. Back in the mid-nineties I was a golf course grounds manager where we used Toro equipment. At that time Toro promoted their 72" groundsmaster rotary for deep rough mowing. Mind you this was before finished cut rotaries were available from The Big Three - Toro, Jacobson and John Deere. My course had a lot of different grasses in the primary rough, many with seed heads. I decided to buy two Exmarks (36" if I remember correctly) rather than the groundsmaster. The Exmarks ran circles around a groundsmaster and provided a clean finished cut even on mounds in the primary rough. Also, if we fell behind mowing from the rainfall the Exmarks would provide a better cut than our reel mowers. If I remember many golf courses started buying Exmarks. This caught the attention of Toro who would later purchase Exmark.

@Sluggo01

Жыл бұрын

@@timbuck2-pv4ce spot on….like to hear from actual experience…so correct what your saying….Toro as a leading course turf management till others said we can do better…better when wet as well….my Xmark can throw wet clippings 2 rows away!! Meaning it clears itself for the next blade of turf…!! Thanks

I'll buy the one that has a Kawasaki engine.

Can’t beat a Toro!

They both are crap, but the toro looks better.