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@tgreinpersonal

11 ай бұрын

Unless if you didn't see it earlier.

@mrdrzebraman694

11 ай бұрын

China is so Based

@didyoumissedmegobareatersk2204

11 ай бұрын

But Many of So called China Experts Said it is real you must be a wumao take 50 cent😂😂

@didyoumissedmegobareatersk2204

11 ай бұрын

Man About to loose loads of china expert Guys after they watch this video

@Flylykou

11 ай бұрын

Man why do you make ads for skillshare they literally have a 1 star rating on trustpilot and are a scam please don't fall for it I love your videos but don't sell your soul

So you're saying all those times I praised President Xi in front of my made in China coffee machine didnt increase my Social Credit score?

@jonseilim4321

11 ай бұрын

Only works on those boba tea machines my lad

@mohamadizzuddin7068

11 ай бұрын

If u buy kuerig.. it manufacture in malaysia..

@me0101001000

11 ай бұрын

Years of academy training wasted LMAO

@gigachad7153

11 ай бұрын

The only way to increase it is by listening to Red Sun In The Sky as many times as possible, which btw, I don't mind at all.

@Joe_C.

11 ай бұрын

😅😁

As a European living in China, this is so true. When I arrived, I didn't dare to cross a red light. After some weeks, you would cross red lights often. And yes, when I would ask Chinese locals about this system, I would first need to explain the whole thing....

@pass3d

5 ай бұрын

主要是BBC/NYT/WSJ...有语言优势，具有很大的话语权。中国有个成语叫”三人成虎“。

@coconut-gx4gj

4 ай бұрын

As a Chinese living in Europe, I need to explain one false lies to people every day that do not exis T at all. The most painful thing is that people don't want to believe me and think I'm crazy.

@StarsManny

4 ай бұрын

Which part of Europe are you from?

@jimbojimbo6873

Ай бұрын

China

@MM-vb9ze

19 күн бұрын

'The Plan To Subjugate Humanity Revolves Around Digital ID & Social Credit Systems' kzread.info/dash/bejne/oHZ4ktCHldW2nKg.html

Man, as a translator, in particular Chinese-to-English translator, I have translated many such documents, and let me tell you, nothing said in this video are exaggerations. Those documents, especially the government issued ones, are so empty they might as well be made of air...

@neanda

11 ай бұрын

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

@newoether7877

11 ай бұрын

Indeed. Totally agree.

@deathdoor

11 ай бұрын

I think most government documents in most countries are hard to understand.

@pyropulseIXXI

11 ай бұрын

This his hilarious; every single comment is spreading CCP propaganda; PolyMatter is compromised. The CCP literally pays good money to spread their propaganda, and various KZreadrs have proof of being contacted by them to spread these scripts. And all the comments are flooding the same thing. Not a single person is even being skeptical of this

@qikaigao3991

11 ай бұрын

I don't even understand the words used in my tenancy agreement for my rental

It's hilarious that when I heard the score range from 350 to 950, the first thing that came to my mind was Alipay's Sesame Credit. It's like a "bank" that was created to determine how much money they can lend you, hence the establishment of a scoring system. It's basically like "upload your property certificate and get +25 points," "failure to repay on time -10 points," and you can cancel this credit rating at any time. Almost all internet companies want to lend money to users, so now there are many so-called scoring systems, such as WeChat Credit, Didi Credit, JD Credit... And it's really hilarious how Western media portrays this as the so-called "social credit"

@iouvxz

10 ай бұрын

Reading comments from people don't understand Chinese on western social media , and reading comments from people only understand Chinese on Chinese social media , are both fun .

@RazorM97

9 ай бұрын

bing chilling

@pascallaw5909

9 ай бұрын

@@RazorM97 hahaha I know that meme

@zhiyuechen555

4 ай бұрын

@@iouvxzhhhhh true bro

@nmsl4133

4 ай бұрын

Truth doesn’t matter to them. All they care about is utilizing every opportunity possible to churn out more anti-China propaganda which always works well among imbeciles.

As a Chinese person, I can confirm that this is an accurate and objective report on the Chinese social credit systems. (Except for the all accounts on all Chinese websites require real-name registration part. All registered games in China require the user to provide their real name and ID card to verify that they are over 18 for unrestricted access, but not all websites. Chinese games don't have a grading system so even something as inoffensive as a match-3 game would be restricted to 18+). (Btw you can actually use the names and ID cards of the debtors blacklisted by the court to sign up to games. This is some really big brain move from the CCP.) (This comment has been heavily edited to answer some questions in the replies)

@iCore7Gaming

11 ай бұрын

that is real messed up

@aoh4905

11 ай бұрын

so strict

@kirkrotger9208

11 ай бұрын

@DanDeMan It's messed up that kids can't play games meant for adults?

@0xBasedChang

11 ай бұрын

@@aoh4905 it's the same in south korea and many other asian countries

@huy1k995

11 ай бұрын

Oh and some games have time limit built in so if you plays for long enough you don't gain anything from the game and too long they will kick you out of the game and put a cooldown period as well.

Thank you for making this video. As a Chinese person living in Europe, sometimes people ask me about this. It is hard to explain, and I don't want to spend a lot time explaining something that I don't even know very well and telling them a lot of what they heard were not factual. Some people get offended when you tell them what they think is true is actually not. I just tell them it is not nationally implemented, and I don't know much about it as I lived did not have it. Still some Europeans question me on the fact whether it is nationally implemented. It gets so annoying.

@kd_w4110

11 ай бұрын

Don't even try, most people will still believe the media, even if you explain to them very clearly.

@edward3190

11 ай бұрын

Those uneducated brainwashed narrow-minded Europeans can very annoying.

@RT-qd8yl

8 ай бұрын

Can you explain cha bu duo

@p382742937423y4

6 ай бұрын

People are afraid of chinese government measures. They seem so strong and coercive to the people, we are afraid of it.

@NazriB

6 ай бұрын

Lies again? Cold Storage USD SGD

As a Chinese person, I literally never heard of "social credit" other than on foreign memes. Really great, unbiased, educational video.

@cyncynshop

11 ай бұрын

What do you mean? I wasn't able to get a video game rental because I need 700 social credit score to borrow it without a hefty security fee. Edit: I'm just curious because, social credit, sesame credit and that like is very prevalent if you have an online wallet, which everyone does in the city. It's kinda hard to not heard of it because JD shopping app there's "GET THIS CHEAP IF YOU HAVE XXX SOCIAL CREDIT" everywhere.

@neanda

11 ай бұрын

as a chinese. there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

@neanda

11 ай бұрын

why are all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. 🤣 and why do you have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'.

@davidgil6485

11 ай бұрын

​@@neanda sources are in a link in the description

@joni4867

11 ай бұрын

@@neandabroooo please stop copy pasting the same blatantly incorrect comment over and over

Real informative, good work here. The idea of the "hyper-advanced dystopian social credit system" always seemed a little suspect to me, and there's no doubt in my mind that some governments in this world would love to implement that, but it seems reasonable that any current implementation is marred by general "people are people" and beaucratic incompetence.

@erozionzeall6371

11 ай бұрын

Are you gonna stop automatically believing bullshit propaganda put out by the West from now on?

@NarasimhaDiyasena

11 ай бұрын

The WEF seeks to establish the dystopia under the guise of Climate Change. Carbon Credits are the rebrand of Social Credit. They are Watermelons, Green (‘Environmentalists’) on the outside, and Red (Communist) on the inside.

@neanda

11 ай бұрын

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel

@Pushing_Pixels

11 ай бұрын

@@peterseth3296 All that stuff is handled by private companies, not the government.

@niello5944

11 ай бұрын

What are you talking about, it's already dystopian. The real problem that's not impeded by any breaucratic incompetence is using a few monolithic numbers to explicitly decide everything about a person and a lack of privacy that's even more outrageous than a lot of other places in the world.

Just absolutely love this. We need to criticize things but only if it's fair criticism.

@skp8748

11 ай бұрын

Do you think they sit around and indignantly admonish the US for subjecting all its citizens to MK ultra or some other silly conspiracy in China. They don't even care about the US's ACTUAL crimes against its citizens like assassinating them overseas for a nonviolent crime they havent even been charged for let alone found guilty of in a court of their peers as per the US constitution. It gets unbelievably worse EVEN after UNCONSTITUTIONALLY assasinating this US citizen via an drone strike which was illegal since it was in foreign country we were neither at war with or granted permission by we ACTUALLY decided to target and murdering the dead mans US born children. Obamas chief of staff was quoted saying the teenage boy born in the US and killed by on Obamas orders less than a month after his dad was shouldve had better father. Then Trump comes into office saying its not enough to target terrorists but that their families should also be killed less than 3 months as president the last child of this family an 8 year old US citizen was assassinated on Trumps orders following an Obama made plan. 😂 But let's cry about what China a nation we have no authority over is doing because its so much more pertinent than what is happening to us by our elected officials... senile copium.

@Cagrst

11 ай бұрын

Yeah PolyMatter is the best. Actual critical analysis of a subject, not just parroting other parrots.

@Random_dud31

11 ай бұрын

​@First name Last name its fine to downplay the criticism, but they have to back it with facts. But as you said, when they start using hate speech or patriotism or like, then its a lost cause

@tunahxushi4669

11 ай бұрын

In China if you voluntarily allow CCP to live harvest your organs your credit score goes up 1000 points...

@bigbadlara5304

11 ай бұрын

@@user-ts5lz2fc7f whenever someone says I use hate speech to me. I end the conversation immediatly. Nothing to gain there.

The take away from this video isn't about the social credit system, is how skeptical we should be of how government and company are portrayed as by news media and by official statement. Every major powers (both political and private companies) on the planet thrive off of these inaccurate exaggeration of capabilities. Saying nothing helps builds their own reputation while retorting will make themselves look the the victim of misinformation attacks and bullying. A win win in either case. In the case of social credit, Beijing not saying anything to discredits the exaggeration help reinforce their might and how sophisticated their techs are to the internationally community, but if they retort, they can play victim of how the US is slandering their reputation to appease domestically to further villainize the West.

@Imbalanxd

11 ай бұрын

It would probably be quite funny to put that negative opinion of China graph next to a graph of china's proximity to the US in GDP

@klaustrussel

11 ай бұрын

We are swimming in propaganda 365 days of the year

@DixyBixy

11 ай бұрын

and all of those would be prevented if the west did not spread the misinformation about the social credit system at the first time right?

@ArawnOfAnnwn

11 ай бұрын

​@@klaustrussel The most widespread propaganda isn't really propaganda as people typically think of that. Rather than govts. controlling the media and dictating the narrative, the media itself does 'propanganda' for its own reasons. What reason, you ask? Pandering. The US govt. doesn't need to tell US media to villainize China, they'll do it themselves cos they can see that their audience loves it. Even non-mainstream media like YT content creators are susceptible to the same temptations. It's just good business to tell people what they like to hear. The same applies to the media everywhere else, democracy or autocracy.

@NeostormXLMAX

11 ай бұрын

Americans are just really stupid and literally believe every single thing the government says😂😂😂😂 Yeomni park being sponsored by neocons saying the most insanely inconsistent and non probable things like pushing 1000 ton trains daily 😂😂😂

As a Chinese, never heard about the stoical credit system, but I heard about USA has a credit system with buying house and cars for financial and lease.

@ChakokkNo

3 ай бұрын

USA is always good at making fake news.

@guacre2675

2 ай бұрын

Yep. Banks determine how trustworthy you are for loans based on how reliably you pay them back on time. If you're irresponsible or don't have money, getting a loan for a house, car, or better credit card becomes more expensive. You can simply opt out, but most people participate. I think it kinda sucks, personally.

@Ty-dk2sj

2 ай бұрын

​@@guacre2675It only really sucks for people who can't manage their money properly 😂

@royalsaiyanelite198

2 ай бұрын

Credit is a good system. People just need to learn how to positively impact their score

@stevek906

Ай бұрын

Isn't this true everywhere? From the other comments here, it sounds like it is. Credit scoring is one situation where the banks have a strong motivation to be cooperative / sharing rather than competitive / secretive. If a creditor stiffs a bank, the bank wants to blacklist that creditor to the whole industry, and the other banks likewise want to know about it. The more interesting question would be, is there any place where this has NOT happened?

As a Chinese, I'm so tired of arguing this bullshit on the internet with the English speaking netizen, thank you for your great effort!

@yibai_to

8 ай бұрын

这些视频奏效不是很大😮你可以去造谣视频按时间排序试试

@alisha7224

8 ай бұрын

lol. Clearly gunning for 900 social credit score

@Rex-ww4cw

8 ай бұрын

​@@kowaikarasutoo brainwashed to noticed the truth ?😂

@Rex-ww4cw

8 ай бұрын

​@@alisha7224same for you😂

@zefantan4823

8 ай бұрын

Basic idiot@@alisha7224

As someone who works in data, I've always been sceptical of this SCS. It's so hard to link data together in a comprehensible, not to mention correct way, I couldn't imagine them being that far ahead than my western country in data infrastructure. Very nice and comprehensive summary of the "system".

@ChibiKeruchan

11 ай бұрын

just you wait around 15yrs and AI will do it

@Joe_C.

11 ай бұрын

Thing is... Do they really care about how 'accurate' it is, as long as they have a system overlording the majority of the population that the people ascribe to or even fear

@ericbashir7275

11 ай бұрын

I don’t think it’s as hard as you make it seem. You could start with a handful of government agencies and spread from there. The US is able to do this with the credit score, which is connected across most of your financial dealings. It can’t be that hard in a police where there’s only one voice.

@AdverseOpinion

11 ай бұрын

That's not the point, what's the threat of losing social credit that keeps people in control.

@ricardokowalski1579

11 ай бұрын

Accuracy is not a requirement. Fear is the metric. Randomness and "errors" only help that goal The STASI did this without any computers, decades ago. It can be be done, it is really easy to do.

I've spoken with family members in China about this and they've said they way the West was presenting it was a load of old rubbish. They said there is a credit scoring system, but when they explained it to it sounded a lot like the credit score system we have in the UK. It's based around borrowing like it is in the west, your score goes up or down based on your ability to pay back borrowing. The way China works, is that new laws, ideas etc are tested in a few regions to see if they work, if they're a failure then it's abandoned, if there are issues then those issues are addressed. A new law or idea isn't rolled out across the rest of the country until it's deemed workable, if it isn't then it's either abandoned or taken back to the drawing board.

@Imbalanxd

11 ай бұрын

so throw it with the debt trap diplomacy myth and file under things americans dont want to be informed about

@DhrubajyotiRaja01

11 ай бұрын

*Your CCP Credit Score has increased. 10 CNY is added into your bank account* .

@0816M3RC

11 ай бұрын

The Chinese are indeed a genocidal people but the Social Credit System always seemed ridiculous.

@somnia3423

11 ай бұрын

What is the social aspect about it?

@iivin4233

11 ай бұрын

@@Imbalanxd So what do you call it when you give a loan to someone you know can't pay it back and later use it to wrench sovereignty concessions from them? Granted individuals don't operate under the same concept of sovereignty that nations do. It's not a perfect metaphor.

As an American who is confused on how dysfunctional US politics are, I’m curious if you’d be interested in covering the Political industry theory created by Katherine Gehl and Michael Porter. Since you’ve exposed to so many westerners like myself that China’s political system is more complicated than the sensationalist media would have us think, maybe you could shine a light on American politics particularly the two-party system.

@bobSeigar

11 ай бұрын

Simple. America is one party, two teams.

@bigglesworth9456

11 ай бұрын

America's system is based on class warfare. Rich versus everyone else.

@armandoventura9043

11 ай бұрын

The dysfunctional politics of the US is due to the fact that the entire government is highly influenced by the nacional companies, making all politics revolve around the wishes of businessmen and politicians. It's simple but destructive in the long run

@andriod8014

11 ай бұрын

As someone whose parents came from a socialist country with a tyrannical leader, US is by far away from dysfunctional political system. If you think current US politics sucks wait until you see what happening in other countries.

@dumbname1961

11 ай бұрын

@Anne Che how to tell you are a chinese psyop without telling us you're a wumao. Based on how round about way you said im taking it that you're already disillusioned with china but have to write the comment cuz u got gun pointed at your head. The things is if you want to watch exposure on how "dysfuntional" US government is.... you just need to google it and hundreds of independent respectable journalists will come out and show you thousands of videos ranging from just exposing to outright smearing it. But funny how you guys only appear on videos that that paint china in smallest negative lights. But i guess tahts a job for u.

0:00: 📰 The emergence of China's social credit system was exaggerated and distorted by Western media, leading to widespread misconceptions and fears. 3:25: ⚠️ The Chinese social credit system is not as Orwellian as portrayed, but it does exist and is part of a broader context of government control. 8:58: 📝 The Chinese government implemented a policy outline called 'social credit' which aimed to encourage spending and promote trust in society. 10:14: 📚 The Chinese government implemented a 'reputation society' to address moral failure and lack of trust, but the implementation was chaotic and impractical. 13:54: 🔍 The concept of social credit in China is often misunderstood and misrepresented by the media. 17:45: 🔍 The complexity of governing a large population and the use of buzzwords in China's social credit system 20:05: 🤔 China's claims about 'big data' and 'machine learning' should be approached with skepticism. Recap by Tammy AI

@MM-vb9ze

19 күн бұрын

'China's Social Credit System keeps a Critical Eye on Everyday Activities' kzread.info/dash/bejne/gaKhmLWbY7PIYrw.htmlsi=0GPP0m-rQaI8O7Gc

I've been super skeptical about this system tbh. Too many memes keep making references to this supposed Orwellian system, so I started becoming curious. Glad that this video exists.

@ac1455

11 ай бұрын

If such a system did exist, China would already have overtaken the world as they’d have the most advanced ML algorithms known to man.

@benjammin9745

11 ай бұрын

If you weren't skeptical you should have your head examined

@skp8748

11 ай бұрын

I was living in dalian telling friends back home that they were actually being crazy... they wholeheartedly believed I was lying out of fear or I was being bribed... these were friends I'd known all my life. Yellow peril much like war on terrorism or Mccarthyism is dangerous jingoistic racist mass hysteria. They believed the story because they WANTED to believe it

@mariusvanc

11 ай бұрын

I always treated it is a meme and joke, as in, you do something and someone says "that's -50 social credit points comrade". Not for a second do I believe anyone in China has the technical capability to collect, combine and analyze this kind of data, given that outside of a small portion of people in 1st tier cities, the large majority of the country is at a corrupt developing 3rd world level, and you're more likely to be using a wood stove than have access to the internet.

@xdragus

11 ай бұрын

How else will I get my easy karma upvotes on Reddit?

This was one of the best china videos i've watched in this platform. Incredible job. I have a bit of a hobby following what is going on in China and everyone even slightly interested should watch this. This video so elegantly goes beyond the topic and outlines exactly what makes china look so confusing outside in. The government is incentivised to be vague for their own deniability. That final quote was beautiful, "currently one side is primed to see china as 10 feet tall, and the other is incentivised to exaggerate its height"

@wenyichen5515

10 ай бұрын

Poly matter really knows how to investigate fairly.

This was one of the most carefully constructed, balanced, intellectually polished discussions of this topic I have encountered. really helpful in calming hysteria and superb in driving useful discourse for further exploration. many thanks!

@neanda

11 ай бұрын

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

@user0K

4 ай бұрын

Imagine we had news like that

As a chinese I can see how much effort Polymatter has taken to investigate this topic. Whenever we see a news or stand-up comedy making jokes about social credit system it always make us laugh too, because we see how absurd this is. As an system engineer, I can clearly see how complex this system is if it ever exists. For example, If you want to use survillian cameras to identify a person who runs in red light on the street, you'll need HD cameras at every street corner with really advanced face recognition AI that can work even in bad weathers. And this is only for one scenario. If CCP really manage to realize that, I will be convinced that China has the most advanced technologies and the most talented people around the world, and the US or any other countries connot even compete with China anymore. This is apparently not the case.

@patriciaboivin66

11 ай бұрын

How much they pain you ?

@Joe--

11 ай бұрын

Seem to be denying that this system is fundamentally unethical?

@gavros9636

11 ай бұрын

@@Joe-- The CCP doesn't care about ethics?

@tengchen7360

11 ай бұрын

@@Joe-- Bro here's my understanding. We might have different views about CCP's ethicity, but if any government can develop such an advanced tech that monitors and rates billions of people, this technology can also be applied in multiple other fields to strengthen the country. Let's take the survillian camera for example. Its relevant technology includes AI face/object identification, internet of things and massive database management. These technologies can boost production automation (to increase industrial productivity for civil and military products), cyber attack (grabing massive information from other countries and to rapid analysis etc.). What I'm trying to say is, to construct such a social credit system, a country should have great developments in technologies, and these technologies can also be used in other fields which make the country Top 1 in industry, military and economy. If that's a evil country, there's nothing can stand in its way to conquer the world. Apparently China is still not that strong, so the imagination that such a system exists is just unrealistic.

@tengchen7360

11 ай бұрын

@@patriciaboivin66 I am not in pain at all, bro :)

oh hey i was digging into this like a year ago for a presentation/paper, it's a *fascinating* mess

@me0101001000

11 ай бұрын

Is it a paper that is meant to be published? If so, pls provide the DOI

I've lived in China since 2015 and this is one of the few explanations that does a good enough job of explaining the particular aspect and the sinophobic meme it's turned into. For all intents and purposes, social credit is just not a thing. Whether native or foreigner I've met literally nobody here who gives it much thought if any.

@BioTheHuman

10 ай бұрын

It's not a thing because they weren't able to perfectly maintain and enforce it, but it's definitely a thing. You too say that "people don't care about it" which is different from saying "It doesn't exist"

@iouvxz

10 ай бұрын

@@BioTheHuman it exists ,if you refuse to pay the loan you lent from the national bank ,but the government find out you do have money to pay it back , and that's the only way you will get youself into trouble ,if you're bankrupt ,then you're fine .

@funfsinn14

10 ай бұрын

@@BioTheHuman well what i mean is, it doesn't exist. certainly not in the way outsiders like to imagine in any real way. it's something else and it's not ubiquitous or wide ranging for a variety of reasons. but it's not that strawman imagined fantasy ppl have in their minds when somebody says 'social credit score'.

@BioTheHuman

10 ай бұрын

@@funfsinn14 I too joke about social credits knowing that it's not the "real thing", but first of all, that's how jokes work, and second, it's just a matter of time for it to become reality since China is clearly aiming to such control on its population

@funfsinn14

10 ай бұрын

@@BioTheHuman I've been living in China since '15 and have heard 'it's just around the corner' abt so many things whether it's SC or the coming collapse of their economy and system. So many predictions from ppl who don't know a thing about the place. Still waiting...

Great video. So tired of hearing even "China experts" claim that there's a social credit system here, when anyone who's lived here knows it doesn't exist.

@bozzie_

11 ай бұрын

The reality of what China currently is under the CCP isn't much better.

@KnowL-oo5po

10 ай бұрын

agi will be man's last invention

@pascallaw5909

9 ай бұрын

as a Chinese I just take this as a meme and bing chilling with others haha but i don't know how many people from outside China actually take it seriously.

US Media: China's credit score will impact people's ability to work, rent, or even live!!! Meanwhile in 1980's US: Three privately owned corporations: "Hold our beers"

@neanda

11 ай бұрын

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

@pyropulseIXXI

11 ай бұрын

The system in the US is literally nothing compared to the Chinese system; why the mass spreading of propaganda in favor of the Chinese system? The system in the US has to do with people voluntarily loaning you money; if someone doesn't pay their bills, no shit no one is going to lend you money, as that is a risk. If you have cash, you aren't restricted with anything in the US Nice strawman though; pretty pathetic on your part

I completely agree with your closing statements, great work!

This was an extremely well made documentary. I really liked how you were to tear down this big scary reputation that the Chinese government has, and show that they too are in fact human. That last line really resonated with me, "one side is primed to see China as ten feet tall and the other is incentivized to exaggerate its height."

Informative video, adds up to alot of observations I have talking to Chinese people about this. Well done!

@eruditejuvenile5266

11 ай бұрын

My dad visited China few years ago, in airport the cameras did most of the work.

@skp8748

11 ай бұрын

​@@eruditejuvenile5266huh

@neanda

11 ай бұрын

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

That makes it sound to me as if the average Brit or American has more data points stored about them just that much of it is held by private companies and not the government. Logistically the SCS always seemed to be overhyped to me thanks for the explanation.

@neanda

11 ай бұрын

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

Wow. This was an exceptionally well put together video. The well balanced version of the content was refreshing. Well done to the writers and researchers of this content!!

@neanda

11 ай бұрын

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

I'm a Chinese citizen living in China and I try to be a fair critic of CCP. There are a lot of people like me here. But bad reportings like this Social Credit bullshit from the west makes it really hard for us to convince our people that we need to be more open and we need freedom of press. it's frustrating. And it's not just western media, it's also their audiences. People in the west love this kind of boogie stories about China. They are automatically less skeptical with their media when it's about China. They don't hold the media accountable when it's about China. It's a vicious circle.

@nathanolson3135

10 ай бұрын

Funny you are mentioning western media, I mean have you ever met Chinese media? 😏

@zebraimage

10 ай бұрын

@@nathanolson3135 I'll quote my regular comment which got my social media accounts banned several times in China: There's no media in China whatsoever. They are all a part of the propaganda machine, every single one of them, when they can only report what they're allowed to report, be it good news or bad news.

@user-vu1nf3ky3y

9 ай бұрын

​@@nathanolson3135we dislike ccp ,don't mean we like America

@user-mk3vh4cr9j

9 ай бұрын

its just the pot calling the kettle black; at least chinese ppl are generally skeptical about our bullsh!t media, unlike amerimutts who just love grabbing random fake news from their own bullsh!t mountain of journalism and think they are better than their asian counterparts@@nathanolson3135

@reaktioN

8 ай бұрын

+20 social credits

I remember thinking, at the time the story broke, that it seemed like such an impossibly complex and onerous system, and on a scale so large in a country like China, that there was no way a giant bureaucracy (or really a collection of giant bureaucracies) could pull it off. The technology just isn't there yet. China might be a one-party state, but it is not a monolithic government, as you point out. Co-ordinating something like what was described would be a monumental task, even without the technical barriers.

@amlyify

11 ай бұрын

The technology probably is there, it's just that sheer infrastructure costs would be immense

@asandax6

11 ай бұрын

The technology to do a social credit system is present. It requires a small fraction of social media infrastructure. Infact avery social media manages their own social credit system that they use to ban people but they'll never make it public.

@bodyloverz30

11 ай бұрын

Oddly, Chairman Mao, managed to do much the same thing.

I trust this channel more in getting unbiased, rational and relevant information than i trust any newspaper or magazine i know.

@cindyhuang7021

11 ай бұрын

i actully agree with you

@hagbardceline1980

11 ай бұрын

@@cindyhuang7021 ol PolyMatter now on the CCP paylist. Unsubbed.

@GLPentAxel

11 ай бұрын

​@@hagbardceline1980"ongoing atrocities in Xinjiang" doesn't sound like a great line to keep in a video if you're on the CCP payroll.

@hagbardceline1980

11 ай бұрын

@@GLPentAxel Good point... probably just the Klaus Schwab / Federal Reserve paylist then.

@evryatis9231

11 ай бұрын

@@hagbardceline1980 ....or maybe he's just an independant youtuber?

"One pilot program organized it's social credit score by giving people a score from A to D. That is, till someone criticized that the Japanese occupation of China used the same scoring method, and the program quietly vanished." hekking OOPS

@user-mr5qx6nu3e

5 ай бұрын

It is surprising that corrections can be made even under public criticism?

Super informative as always, thank you!

Love your videos on the future of our planet very interesting!

I go to subreddit such as china_irl so many time, where there is a lot of real PRC citizen with dissident opinion hangout. And they enjoy the SCS meme very much, because 1. It seems like only English media are hysteric about this, so how about we play along with it. 2. Nobody in China care, at all. Imagine if SCS is as real as media describe, the 内卷 (involutary toxic competitive) society of China will suddenly cause China to be the most volunteering society in the world, where everyone is donating blood everyday just to make sure they can be the first to get the train ticket in next Chinese New Year.

@user-sp6qn6we8d

5 ай бұрын

If you want to learn about the lives of Chinese people and the history of China before 1949 on the internet, you can go to Chinese websites such as "百度贴吧" and "Bilibili". Of course, if you want to know something related to politics, the information on these websites may be inaccurate because China has strict censorship on political and historical information after 1949.

As a Chinese person that has lived in china for quite a bit of time in beijing(capital)I never knew about this in my life but if it somehow got under my nose for 10 years then my score better be high

@hansu230

5 ай бұрын

专门治老赖的，那些开口闭口信用分的，可能已经着魔了

I find your point about how the West perceives China vs. how CHINESE people perceive China as so interesting. I don't know if people actually interact with Chinese people all that often, but they're not the (for lack of a better term) rule loving, automatons people seem to imagine. In fact, I'd argue South (yes, South) Koreans and Japanese people (both countries I've visited and people I know here in North America) are more averse to breaking rules than Chinese people are. China, to many Chinese people, IS TOO UNREGULATED. There's too much lawlessness, there's too much corruption, and grift. A lot of Chinese people love bending and breaking rules if they perceive them as being not in their or their family or network's interest. Of course, a lot of Chinese people don't like this (or they, like all people, approve of themselves doing it but not others) and that's why a lot of them feel that strong authority is necessary to keep control of the country.

@My12Fav

11 ай бұрын

💯 agree. I have many relatives living in China and my parents who are US citizens but still keep up with Chinese news say this is the number 1 difference b/w China and the West. It’s why my mom sends my cousin in China baby formula from the US. There are basically no regulations and even if there are, there’s zero trust from Chinese citizens that they will be upheld.

@ZhangtheGreat

11 ай бұрын

So damn true. For a prime example, watch how citizens interact with authority figures when it inconveniences them. While some will cooperate, you're far more likely to see full-blown arguments between the two parties. This whole belief that the Chinese are fearful of authority is a lie; of the "big three" East Asian nations (China, Japan, and South Korea), the people of China are _most_ likely to get in an authority figure's face.

Hey, great video first of all, but the seaseme credit system from alibaba isn't as much of a failure as the system was very multi purposes like a lot of other chinese policies. The system allowed ali to analyse the data it has on all its sellers on Taobao and provided the needed risk analysis for them to give them a credit rating for private loans. This fulfilled a void which previously existed in the market as chinese banks were reluctant to provide loans to e-merchants, and allowed ant financial services (their subsidary) to massively profit from those short-mid term loans to merchants. The repayment rate was really high and they essentially take on minimal risk because of the years of revenue data and spending habits from merchants were avaliable through taobao. This then also spawned products such as 余额宝，花呗 and similar products from tencent which eventually got hit by the regulatory hammer that eventually ended with Jack Mas semi retirement. Interesting topic for another video to cover :) Sorry if the rambling made little sense, this was typed up from what i remembered on top of my head. Where as your videos were extremely well researched and covers many aspects of the topics, I always recommend this channel to people I know who wishes to have an actual informed view on China. Once again thanks for all the vids

@Pushing_Pixels

11 ай бұрын

So it's like the west, in that it's about financial credit primarily, and that private companies are managing the data separately from the government?

As a person who visited china many times, i absolutely LOVE this. Western media takes the most isolated and fucked up things and hypes up the threat to the point of a meme to defame china, as if 1.4 BILLION people are robots and half the population is watching them and "crediting" them.

@kd_w4110

11 ай бұрын

Western media also did this to Japan, when Japan were second largest economy in the world.

@XXMatt0040XX

11 ай бұрын

Well when we're told about small religions being formed and their followers killed and jailed, see images of a single man standing in front of a tank, have a fucking balloon flown over the U.S., of course people, especially in the U.S. are going to believe it.

@hombreg1

11 ай бұрын

Damn, I hadn't thought about Shin Chan in years. Loved that show as a kid.

@NeostormXLMAX

11 ай бұрын

@@kd_w4110reminder that there is literally a donald trump interview where he said china was very strong and amazing for puting down the rebells in tiennanmin square, and in another interview trump talked about japan is a great demon that needs to be cut down so they dont take over the world 😂😂😂😂

@c_douglasdillion745

11 ай бұрын

I think it goes beyond ALL this. Many Asian cultures, well before anything in the Modern World, rest on 'The Group.' Be it a State/town/Tribe, whatever, it's the Group first. In the West, we have often hailed the Individual. Although this has become less so in recent decades. While I have met Asian immigrants who also appear in sympathy for the Individual, there are plenty of Americans who see a greater loyalty to a Group. And, in fact, Modern Europe is far more 'Communal' than my taste. Here in the States, even recent years has seen the shift. The laws after 9/11 and now more recently ESG. Polly is right to point out, whatever dystopia the Chinese government is trying to do or not, the Credit Score is not really relevant. Further, we have plenty of those trappings right here and do so voluntarily...Big Tech/Social Media, Amazon, checking into a hotel (try it w/o a driver's license) even buying booze as a middle aged person, they can swipe your license. But...the divide between the Individual and the State (along with privacy and all that), is real among Americans. Why the Western, particularly US media jumped on this, it was fodder because it is a point of great internal disagreement. The two Camps are also strangely twisted on the abortion issue, where the 'Choice,' side, finds 'religion' for the Individual, but is 'Social Contract' Bound for every other aspect of our Individual lives.

Would like to see you debate "China Uncensored", "Laowhy" and "Serpentza" on this 😂

@bathhatingcat8626

11 ай бұрын

Or me- any of us who have lived in China over 10 years

@EmmaNguyen-mg5xq

10 ай бұрын

These Channels are sinophobic, racist and Spreading Western Propaganda. They can barely speak Chinese.

@Yaoiekimi

5 ай бұрын

These people profit by telling shock stories and cater to audiences that want to hear barbarian horrors to satisfy themselves. No point in debating them. They are essentially online politicians.

@PurpleDoritos666

Ай бұрын

All those guys hate China yet they are married to Chinese women can’t make it up lmao 😂

@alexgamer3312

Ай бұрын

China Uncensored is associated with the Falun Gong cult, while Laowhy and SerpentZA are basically being anti-China.

What an excellent video, thanks for clearing this up!

What's fascinating to me, having lived in both China and Taiwan, is how Taiwan does the exact same thing with it's vague, top-down directives that allow each layer of bureaucrats to wash their hands of responsibility for failures caused by local-level officials just basically making up shit as they go along in an attempt to interpret the vague directives (while also trying to pocket as much money for themselves as possible by creating further vague directives and initiatives that, surprise, always seem to funnel money into the pockets of those that create said initiatives). I guess some habits die hard.

@prplt

11 ай бұрын

its vague not it's

@the80386

11 ай бұрын

@DavidGravesExists - but you see David, it's ok when taiwan does it because it's a subordin...I mean 'ally'. we don't talk about any bad stuff our allies do but we thoroughly record all of it. we keep those evidence in reserve to be used later when allies don't play ball.

@user-qd4gf8hg8f

11 ай бұрын

Theres a difference, on Taiwan u can get whatever u want on ur pocket and nobody can do anything about it as long as ur party is on charge, even if its exposed by the media, nothing will happen. In China on the other hand they banned corruption after Xi was on charge and whoever tries to get money into their pocket will face heavy lifetime consequences, thats it if they find out about it

@NeostormXLMAX

10 ай бұрын

The usa does this even more w😂

@NeostormXLMAX

10 ай бұрын

@@user-qd4gf8hg8flmao the usa japan taiwan south korea france england and germany all have seized peoples assets whenever needed let me remind you julian assange is still in jail for journalism

I was an intern for a Chinese court and I'm the one who gave restriction orders. Basically if you owe debt to someone and they sued you, and you're seriously defaulted, I would put you on the restriction list. You can't take airplane, high-speed train, and anything that costs more than average money (but you can still take slower train or drive). The whole point is to force the people who are able but avoided/hide from the debt to pay. It's pretty useful bc I got several people paying their debt immediately they found they couldn't board the plane. I got those social credit jokes a lot and I was genuinely thinking, bruh, I understand you need to show your supreme proud of liberty or what not. But do some research before you mock your imagination. If you do the research and reason me about China in whatever respect, I'm hands down listening to you.

I finally understand why when I comment on some videos, some people will reply to me and say, 'How much social credit score did you get today?' This is something that Chinese people have never heard of, but it is widely spread in the West.

@blugaledoh2669

11 ай бұрын

Lol😅

@Rex-ww4cw

5 ай бұрын

That's all they can do when they lose an argument😂

Very good video. I am glad you demystified the cload of my misinformation and ignorance about this topic. I wonder how you got so much info on some of these systems in China. Maybe my perception on how hard it is to get is wrong or you spent a good amount of time researching and talking to people from China for this video. Again very nice.

@neanda

11 ай бұрын

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

I did my own in-depth research about the subject, and I can confirm this video is the best in explaining how things actually work without hype or drama.

This is the first time I have ever written a comment on a video. This video is really well made, and the script is phenomenal!

@valhalla9688

11 ай бұрын

Yes, I love this channel. It is one of the best there is.

@slypear

11 ай бұрын

@@TheIndependentLiberal Live in today's China much, right now?

@ThunderSims

11 ай бұрын

You're really well made

@riplikatlnloki5091

11 ай бұрын

Liar

@Karlach_

11 ай бұрын

L comment, make more entertaining comments or i'm unsubbing noob

This situation really captures our current condition of our relationship with the media and indeed information itself. So much things are lost in the echo chambers full of misunderstanding, half-truths, prejudice, and motivated reasoning.

when someone told me, a Chinese, that there is something called Social Credit Score in China, i had no idea what he was talking about, and after i told him there is no such thing, he looked me with pity like i was the one brainwashed and he refused to believe me..

"The American media's obsession with ratings and profit often compromises journalistic integrity and truth." - Amy Goodman

@DhrubajyotiRaja01

11 ай бұрын

*Said by an Asian who fled to America for Better life* .....

@BackwardOutofDusk

11 ай бұрын

The GOAT

@realShikha885

11 ай бұрын

One baised journalist calling others baised, Haha

@realShikha885

11 ай бұрын

Yup china Uncensored is very platform to about what's happening in PR China.

@Tmhy0

11 ай бұрын

​@@realShikha885China uncensored is literally Falun gong propaganda.

This is a good test for polymatters integrity

The definition of an algorithm is simple: a finite set of unambiguous instructions that, given some set of initial conditions, can be performed in a prescribed sequence to achieve a certain goal and that has a recognizable set of end conditions. Examples: 1. x + y 2. if x - 4 == y + 3 { return x } else { y } 3. The entire Neovim program

2:24 mouse casually strolling by

This really hits the nail on the head when it comes to China's bureaucratic dysfunction. At the core of it all is 'appearance over substance'. Local governments cutting corners or making big splashes to meet quotas or impress higher ups.

@yiping7193

11 ай бұрын

don't know about cutting corners more like lack of standards and experience. It is abit like the wild west you have the make up the rules and standards. Keep in mind most local gov only become revlant in the last 20 yrs or so.

@maxerd

11 ай бұрын

@@yiping7193 Cutting corners is twofold; one is saving money for the sake of saving money, and two is apathy. For example tofu dreg projects and painting the hill green.

@sleepyjoe4529

11 ай бұрын

You make it sound like it's unique to China

@maxerd

11 ай бұрын

@@sleepyjoe4529 Every country has its bureaucratic dysfunction, but China's blend is particularly extreme. Call it bureaucracy with Chinese characteristics.

@yiping7193

11 ай бұрын

That is few and rare , wouldn’t say doesn’t happen because its does. If you get caught and they do get caught it is a quick way to end your political career. In China unlike anywhere else failure is punished quickly. Very few ppl understand competition in China is crazy a lot of ppl is waiting in line for you the fail.

Weii done, I personally like the less loud, but more balanced voices. Best sentence in my eyes: „They are all people“! That’s exactly what I think: Every human is struggling with itself and everything around him / her, trying to find a way that fits itself, it’s possibilities and opportunities.

What really gets me upset is how most American Pundits refer to that hyper-dystopian social credit system, meanwhile in the US, your credit score contributes heavily to your social status. I mean think about how much capital is connected to social status wether it be at the millionaire level, or the “small business owner” type, and even to homeowners.

That was EXTREMELY WELL DONE. I always thought something was up with those articles and this did a really good job at clarifying why those dystopian aspects entered the news cycle. stories

Your videos really do keep getting better and better

Never assume malicious intent when the truth is incompetence.

Asking a person if he/she believes China’s “Social Credit System” exists is the best way to test that person’s intelligence and the reliability of his/her information sources.

@StarsManny

4 ай бұрын

That doesn't make any sense

Extremely educational and well explained!! One of your best videos by far

@neanda

11 ай бұрын

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

I always wondered what the context was behind the social credit memes 💀

@Rex-ww4cw

11 ай бұрын

Attempt to brainwashed the world to hate China

The first ever in-depth analysis of the credit system. Great work!

@neanda

11 ай бұрын

as a chinese. there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

@Habib_Osman

11 ай бұрын

Nah.. I saw a video destroying the social credit system in China myth like a year ago. It is called China's Social Credit System: Fact vs. Fiction, and it was featured on the channel The Diplomat.

I am Chinese, and I've never, ever heard about it. It's all of nonsense.

as a chinese, I can tell you that the so-called social credit system is the most successful rumor.

Wonderful video. Best one since your Sri Lanka video.

Sounds like ESG ratings by Blackrock but for individuals. To the video’s point about verifiable systems, the ESG one is very well documented and actively pushed in the US

I have recently been to shanghai, china. I have met many locals and talked with them. When i asked them about the social credit score they laughed because that doesn’t even exist in China. I was in disbelief that such a big subject is straight up a huge lie to spread negative propaganda. Don‘t believe everything you see!😂

@ezkl.M

10 ай бұрын

A CCP robot again.

@Omniback20

10 ай бұрын

​@@ezkl.Mparanoid

@BioTheHuman

10 ай бұрын

​@@Omniback20He's right lol. You can find videos of westerners who lived in China and perfectly explain the thing. The social cred score was explained by the Communist Party itself and released to the public, you can find the documents. The only problem is that the system didn't seem to have worked or maintained properly, but the intention is definitely there and I doubt that they've definitely abandoned it. There is a China region where they firstly began the tests and people really were blocked as you here in the memes

@klaci003

10 ай бұрын

China is so democratic

@xmar4497

9 ай бұрын

@@ezkl.M 你觉得有就有吧，如果这能让你舒服一点。反正你怎么想对我们也没啥影响。

Thanks, very helpful. Have been enjoying learn more about China since meeting my neighbours and sharing Chinese and Australian culture - the dad loves the Oz BBQ. 😅😊

I disagree with you not blaming the journalists. This is coming from someone who used to consider becoming a journalist as a future career. In my undergraduate thesis, i took the topic of China and international propaganda and news media as my main subjects. It was at the time of HK protest, closely followed by the pandemic. International perception of China was at the lowest, anyone will believe any negative report about China, common sense be damned. Everyday, I read every piece of article that came out, opinion pieces, research journals, books, until i was sick. I quickly got disillusioned by those news media that i once respected. The amount of hate, generated from the half-assed article and clickbait headline, is really sickening. If I, an undergraduate student, who can't speak or read chinese, has no access to chinese translator, or networks of information and connections like these big media have, can see the actual context and story behind those bombastic headline, then they have no excuse! Those journalists and editors surely know the big influence they have on society and public policy. Yet they don't seem to care at all. They know people will click on anything with China in the title. They know people will engage the content, debate in the comments, and share the article more than any other topic. So many asian americans got insulted, assaulted in this past 3 years. Lives lost, injury for life, and not to mention the mental trauma and fear that they have to live with. And i have no doubt the bombastic headlines and half-assed articles played a big role in it.

@B121AN1

11 ай бұрын

You wrote an article only to post it in KZread comment section? Good luck getting anywhere with your journalistic career.

@user-mk3vh4cr9j

9 ай бұрын

lol mate, dont bother reasoning with amerimutts who pick up random bullsh!t from their media, keep on with your career of truth seeking, and good luck!

where's my black mirror dystopia!!

Btw, the word "legal person" in the document provide at 4:28 means Legal Entity.

@outofmyface

10 ай бұрын

Indeed! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_person

Thanks this was fascinating

As a newcomer from China in the U.S., when I searched for "China" on KZread firstly without a VPN, I wasn't surprised to find numerous videos talking about China's economy potentially collapsing. After all, I often come across negative news about the American economy on Chinese media, and it seems like a tit-for-tat between countries with different ideologies. However, what really caught me off guard was the frequent mention of the "credit system." I had never heard of this term before. I initially thought it was just like a credit score, much like the ones based on your credit card history in the U.S. But the idea of a credit score tied to surveillance seemed absurd to me.

@gknkrnkjgjugjrgjrng

6 ай бұрын

CHINA ECONOMY IS NOT COLLAPSING,BUT IT HAS SLOWED DOWN AND WOULD NEVER CATCH UP WITH AMERICA

@odzergaming

3 ай бұрын

@@gknkrnkjgjugjrgjrngsee you next century

Hi. I hope you will make video about China on the following topics (because I don't know which side to believe) : 1. The ethnic cleansing & reeducation camps in Xinjiang. 2. The resurgence of religious belief in China. 3. Falun Gong. 4. The alleged interference in Hong Kong's affair. 5. China's technological innovation.

@mushiat6530

11 ай бұрын

Most of these are easy to find data on. Xinjiang has had multiple documents hacked and then leaked that you can easily search Google for. Not only that, watch the documentaries where China flies in KZreadrs, puts them in luxury hotels, and has them read from the same script saying that nothing bad is happening in Xinjiang. There is religion in China small Christian sects, Buddhism, etc. Falun gong is interesting. It's a weird religious group that conflicts a lot with the policies put in place. They end up protesting and getting arrested. The part that I haven't seen as much proof for is whether there's organ harvesting from Falun Gong members while in prison. I definitely would need to do more research. Hong Kong is the easiest one to explain. When England gave Hong Kong over to China, they signed a treat saying that Hong Kong was to have an independent government for 50 years after 1997. Google the Sino-British joint declaration for more info. All info on that is public. Lastly China has technological advancements in things like factory automation, AI, and quite a few other fields. Some of these are advancements created by the Chinese, some are stolen from Western countries. Both happen. Anyone who says everything is stolen is wrong, but also anyone who says nothing is stolen is wrong.

@user-ir4dq6hn5g

11 ай бұрын

来中国一趟就好了，没有那么复杂的🐷

@Larry-Lobster

10 ай бұрын

1. No ethnic cleansing happened (Uyghur population has continued to grow, absolutely 0 evidence of any genocide), high levels of surveillance due to multiple deadly terror attacks that occurred in the 2000s and early 2010s. “Camps” were ended, Xinjiang has prospered significantly since with high increases in GDP and infrastructure development and no terror attacks have occurred since. Uyghurs can freely practice in mosques. I’ve visited Xinjiang myself (my profile pic is actually a temple located in Xinjiang!) 2. Not really, Chinese people have always been relatively spiritual but no dominant faiths like in the West or Arabic world. That hasn’t changed. 3. Cult that was banned in China and now spends their time grifting with right-wingers in the US (Epoch Times). Chances are if they say it, it’s a lie. Weird beliefs such as interracial marriage should be banned, modern medicine is fake, Falun Gong followers are superior human beings descendant from aliens, etc hiding behind a veil of meditation and the like. 4. Hong Kong’s affairs are China’s affairs. Passed National Security law that punished rioting that was very widespread in 2019. Region much more stable now. 5. China has tech innovation? Just look at their electric cars, drones, 5G network integration, and more. Not sure what more to say here.

@Larry-Lobster

10 ай бұрын

@@user-ir4dq6hn5g For real, but so many Westerners are scared after hearing all the nonsense propaganda from the MSM

Ahh! It's so refreshing to hear the TRUTH for once. Thank- you sir, for making this eye-opening video! A new subscriber here.

@neanda

11 ай бұрын

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

as a Chinese, this is literally my fist time knowing the existence of social credit. 😅😅

I was waiting for you to drop the big 'revealing truth' at 4:00... and then these big ominous letters slowly faded in to fill the screen... SKILL SHARE. Lmao

This is too nuanced, it must be wrong. I prefer my facts black and white. 😊

I have lived in china for almost 8 years. One thing you mentioned in your video is that due to public backlash to the social credit score the government abandoned it. Yes, unlike what many westerners believe, the government does actually listen to its people. I am happy that unlike soooo many videos about China being this horrible miserable place to live you were unbiased and quite accurate in your content.

This is a great video. It's so much more interesting to hear the complexity and messiness behind the black and white reporting of the old guard (ACLU, old media, etc).

When the US says that an enemy is constructing an onerous surveillance on all it citizen, you can be sure that the US is doing the same thing

Company with a score... You mean they can stop scams... Interesting idea 💡

Honestly, I trust content about China from polymatter as they tend to be far more objective than from legacy media

@neanda

11 ай бұрын

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

Fascinating. I appreciate the debunking, this makes much more sense.Thank you. Reminds me a bit of an engineer joke we had in my previous company : Say big data for investors, machine learning for project managers, and statistics to hire actual devs... 😅

I think also that Black Mirrror episode helped people imagine it ... I remember ppl would say something like "remember that black mirror episode with the social credit score? China is building something like that right now" etc

as Chinese， I had never heard of Social Credit System, except on youtube and foreign media.🤣

I'd like to point out that if this is shown to 'work' in China, this kind of thing will show up in other places as well. Americans lived without credit scores until almost the nineties. It's hard to say that life has become signifigantly better since then, though we have much, much less privacy.

@zennyzenzen

11 ай бұрын

I have an outstanding credit score and all they have is my government information. So unless banks and social security numbers didn't exist before the nineties, I'd say not much has changed.

@zennyzenzen

11 ай бұрын

oh and for privacy? opt out. No one is stopping you from data collection. Head to your settings and start checking privacy policies before you sign up to stuff. Your data being collected is all you.

@oliversmith2129

11 ай бұрын

@@zennyzenzen It's kinda cute how you think that clicking on "don't collect my data" would stop them from collecting your data.

@altrag

11 ай бұрын

> It's hard to say that life has become signifigantly better since then Depends what you mean by "life". Its not going to change your ability to get coffee and donuts, but it significantly streamlines things like loan applications (mortgage, payment plan for cars, etc) for those who have good credit, while protecting the loan providers from those who have a habit of defaulting. Of course if you don't need a loan, its not going to impact your life too much. Some employers check credit history under the idea that people with bad credit are more likely to defraud the company or steal from the register or whatever. That's kind of a negative in my opinion as it punishes bad luck more than it punishes bad people, and that's not really fantastic imo. There's definitely some outright negatives coming from the credit score system, but there's also some definite positives as well even if you personally haven't noticed them.

@strykenine7902

11 ай бұрын

@@zennyzenzen This is the most Zoomer thing I've ever heard. My guess is you feel this way because you have never lived without it. And now, you never will.

At last an unbiased and in depth explanation of that social credit thing

Thanks for the nice info

Why didn’t I know anything about it, I’m a Chinese

@Kanalankettu

4 ай бұрын

1000+ Social credits added to you.

Now is the good time to end that social credit meme

El arte es empatía, conectar con el artista, efectivamente. El tema es que cada persona vive la realidad y por tanto también el arte a su manera, de ahí que la intención del autor se pueda tergiversar, pero así ocurre con cualquier expresión.

That was a great and informative video!

This is very good information. I had heard and believed the story you debunked. Thank you.

@neanda

11 ай бұрын

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

I am Chinese living in China. I don't know the existence of such a social credit system.

@perfectdark287

11 ай бұрын

im American living in America. Trust me, there is a social credit system. I heard it on facebook...

@treeinafield5022

11 ай бұрын

​@@perfectdark287😂

@MrTynanDraper

11 ай бұрын

Obviously you never attended a Covid lockdown protest or criticized the CCP online. Then you would quickly learn about the social credit system!

@neanda

11 ай бұрын

there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

@neanda

11 ай бұрын

@@perfectdark287 there are so many holes in this: 1), he's not referencing any sources, 2), he's using outliers and exceptions to be the big picture (just like those you're claiming to demystify), 3) he's promoting a known scam, skillshare (so you either can't research well, or you're easily bought, which leads me to... 4) how much does it cost for him choose sides rather than be objective and report objectively? and 5) he'll delete this comment, and that just adds to the misinformation he purports to oppose. I'm not and any ones side, except the side of truth and against people who gloss their reports as truth, especially in this day and and upcoming age. bye. i'm unsubbing from this obvious shill channel all the chinese commenters on here have to state that they are chinese, and speak with such immaculate english? even getting the oxford commas, and the correct word cases. And they have such obvious chinese usernames? this whole video is a shill, and so are these 'commenters'. Just look at the comments. This video is trying to normalise is by just saying it’s nothing to worry about, it’s all good. It’s quite horrible what he’s doing

in the marketplace of ideas, quantity is much more powerful than quality skepticism is eventually eroded away by the volume of headlines they encounter and then it just becomes the accepted reality, exaggerated or not.

Actually, Dictators do have scapegoats to blame for most of their mistakes, and they often do: foreign powers