After the attack on Lindisfarne, Alcuin of York advised the English to stop getting trendy haircuts as a way to appease God, and prevent future Viking raids. Is this the worst piece of advice in history? 🤔

@Eyes_Open

Жыл бұрын

But I have always had short hair and I have never (yet) been attacked by viking hordes.

@welshman8954

Жыл бұрын

Definitely in the top ten but if it wasn't for the lessons taught by the vikings and the romans then we wouldn't of become what we were the largest most powerful country on the good earth with an empire that stretches from Canada to New Zealand not bad for a little wind swept island on the edge of the Atlantic not bad atall

@seximexi5820

Жыл бұрын

Just so you know Ragnar isn't "Semi" legendary. He's literally the most famous Viking to ever live.

@josephmunning4890

Жыл бұрын

No. I’ve never had a trendy haircut and I’ve never been attacked by a Viking.

@knunk5476

Жыл бұрын

@@seximexi5820 semi-legendary means there is not conclusive evidence he truly existed, as all the accounts of his existence were recorded hundreds of years after his death in highly fantasized oral mythologies that are sometimes based on real fact.

If you visit Lindisfarne, keep in mind that it is a real village on the island and it's not like Port Merrion. My folks lived there and the amount of tourists who would just wander into people's gardens and back yards was staggering. It was always a relief for them when the tide would come in and all the visiting tour coaches and cars would leave. (edit: typo)

@eddiebear34

Жыл бұрын

I was there a couple years ago. I can't imagine why anyone would think those houses gardens were free to walk in to.

@localbod

Жыл бұрын

@@eddiebear34 I know. As they say; there's nothing stranger than people.

@eddiebear34

Жыл бұрын

@local bod we stayed in a hotel on the mainland. We thought that hotels always got rid of used towels and put out new ones. So we took the ones we had home. Then we got an email saying we were blacklisted from the whole area for stealing towels haha. The vikings are allowed back these days. But I'm not. We sent them back down to them anyway.

@silgen

Жыл бұрын

I spent a few summers staying at the St Vincent de Paul camp site in the 60's. Great holidays, I loved being there. It never would have occurred to me to trespass in people's gardens, though.

@dianeshelton9592

Жыл бұрын

@@eddiebear34hotels don’t get rid of used towels . You flat out stole those towels Even a Hilton rewashes towels !

Re: the advice on avoiding future Viking attacks....perhaps "cut your hair" was a useless idea, but "stop hoarding so much wealth" was a GREAT plan. The Vikings wanted "stuff", and knew that the churchmen were greedy accumulators of other people's stuff. If they'd actually espoused in truth, the monasteries would have been safe(r).

@jseipp

Жыл бұрын

Oooh, this is true!

@margaretlumley1648

Жыл бұрын

I find the attribution details fascinating. Vikings embodied God's wrath! Who knew?

@JackovdaBoro

Жыл бұрын

Monasteries and churches were used by people to keep their valuables in a time before banks. The monks weren’t necessarily greedy, but I get it most people are anti Christian these days. To a point were people look more fondly of murderous pagan raiders than peaceful monks.

@flouisbailey

Жыл бұрын

The plundering could only happen if the had mega things of value.

@Ericsaidful

3 ай бұрын

@@margaretlumley1648The Christian God’s wrath and Odin’s happiness. I find it odd, the number of people who discount potential Viking heritage, and remove themselves, because the Vikings were PAGAN (THE HORROR, pagans). Let us not pretend that Pagan, Christian, Islamic, Jewish, the torture of human beings is something of human nature. All religions are guilty of this.

I bet a pound to a penny that monks wrote those predictions long after the event.

@brittk3881

Жыл бұрын

100% 😂😂

@reallife2849

Жыл бұрын

@@brittk3881I will check with leofric

@unknownassassin2212

Жыл бұрын

🎯

@roonilwazlib3089

11 ай бұрын

John of Patmos intensifies

@scottcarlson9913

11 ай бұрын

Well,,I'll bet they didn't write it while it was actually happening...

There were raids all the time, also internal raids in Scandinavia - Frisians raided the Danish West Coast, The Venti raided Aarhus in Denmark way before Viking times - vice versa. Basically, for people who lived along a coastline and could sail in ancient times, raiding was always an option. The real story of Lindisfarne is why people - even at the time - made such a fuss about it. It speaks to a clash between a solidifying Christian, medieval culture, where slavery was slowly being abolished and the Church had established a safe position, and the Scandinavian raiders, who just hadn't gotten the memo yet on the new rules. Oh, and the 'Vikings' episode is great drama, but also reinforced the old false trope that people from these cultures didn't know each other. The Scandinavians who traded and travelled would have seen plenty of monks. And they knew where Lindisfarne were, how to get there and what to expect - why the hell else risk going over the North Atlantic? They might easily have visited before as traders and staked out the place. Or gotten word from relatives who has settled (peacefully, largely) on the British mainland nearby. The idea that these people were like aliens from space to each other is just ridiculous.

@lewiscliffe434

Жыл бұрын

Make sense when you think about it considering how far the Romans and Alexander got from Rome/Greece. To think that Scandinavians and the people of the British isles didn't know of each other is ridiculous.

@BamberdittoPingpong

Жыл бұрын

Norwegian settlers in the today’s Scottish Islands would also often raid mainland Norway in the summer. It got so bad that after Harald Fairhair consolidated south, west and north-west of Today’s Norway he conquered the islands to subjugate the pirates

@OutnBacker

Жыл бұрын

The same is true of the first anglo settlers in North America in 1605 ( Jamestown) and again in 1620 (the Pilgrims). The myth is that the natives didn't know what they were, when the truth is that Portugese fishing ships had been harvesting in those waters for a hundred years before the English landed. There was a lot of shore landings to refgesh supplies and to trade with the locals. The natives be-friended the Pilgrims because they understood that an alliance with people who possessed guns would be a benefit. Some even spoke english and portugese.

@pranc236

Жыл бұрын

Slavery being slowly abolished? Yeah it took over 1000 more years for that to happen.

@OutnBacker

Жыл бұрын

@@pranc236 Yes. Slowly abolished. You have a problem with that?

Season 1 of that show was amazing. It kind of went off the rails, but I liked the concept of telling the whole Viking age through the lives of a few characters.

@UkrainianPaulie

Жыл бұрын

It could have used real costumes and armor. Vikings looked nothing like historical raiders.

@JP-st9hn

Жыл бұрын

@@UkrainianPaulie Ya… it was the history channel so, obviously it had to be ridiculous. They didn’t even give Ragnar his magic pants!

@stephenquinn4826

Жыл бұрын

The end scene was brilliant thpugh, with Floki and Uber sitting on the shore.

@JP-st9hn

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenquinn4826 Ya… That was definitely a feel good moment, which was rare for that show.

@gollese

Жыл бұрын

Re watched the entire series and it ended today, it's so damn good. Don't dare to say it went off rails. You wont find any better series about Vikings than Vikings. Appreciate they made that show instead of overthinking and get salty about things.

Often there are several meanings in the writings of this time and others. The previous centuries in this area have documented interactions of these same itinerant 'Norsemen' traveling from the Nordic countries and Baltic area in the summers on trading expeditions that were very regular and seasonal. These mercantile trips show the Vikings were armed, but primarily for defense of themselves and their trading stocks on board their vessels. Traders also knew the local peninsulas and islands near the shore that were isolated enough to fortify temporarily as they beached their vessels and set up camp. Trading was done in a indirect way (due to language differences and mutual distrust) The Viking traders would set out lots of trade goods they'd brought, 'piles' of a set value, then retreat off shore to observe the locals. Then the locals would walk around the trade goods and appraise their value to them. If a purchase/trade was desired, the locals would set their own 'pile' of trade goods, often leather, pottery, woven goods, furniture or metal goods -- next to the pile of Viking goods, as an 'offer' to trade, this for that. Then the locals retreated to observe the Vikings who returned to assess the offered 'swaps', taking the goods offered, if the value was sufficient, and leaving their goods in return. This sort of trading was commonplace in both Scotland, and along both coasts of Great Britain, especially in the Irish sea between Ireland and England. Trading ships sailed out of the Nordic lands in the summer, down between England and Ireland (to avoid stormy waters and to trade with two areas simultaneously). The Norsemen would sail down to Northern Spain and the Southern coast of France, known for its wine and other finished goods. Then, as summer waned, these Norsemen would sail back home, again trading along the way with the people of England and Ireland (as well as offering a sort of 'bus service', documented in a book I read from 500 AD, a note from a monk who recorded taking the 'returning ship' from Spain back to England). So the Vikings were well known and traders, not often raiders as they became in time for a variety of reasons. As for the incident the contemporary writer said incited the Vikings to attack and loot Lindisfarne, it more logically came from discontent or outright aggression during the regular trading trips each summer. Trust had built up and perhaps the local people chose a single Viking ship with a small crew to loot and maim or murder. Just as the exposed Lindisfarne monastery, located, by choice, on an isolated promontory, was 'easy pickin's' for the Vikings, so too would have a Norse trading vessel have been easy to attack and overcome by an organized mass of locals. A proud people and outstanding sailors and raiders, a cry for revenge (and loot) would have raced through the Viking lands, turning their normal summer trade fleets into a large, angry fleet (at first), which their devastating attack on Lindisfarne demonstrated. Something triggered this major change that became the norm, ending the peaceful trading of centuries, by the Norsemen and the people of Scotland, England and Ireland (and further out). It is a story yet to be researched properly and told.

@user-ox2mz8ds7g

Жыл бұрын

They had ' mommy issues '

@Spearhead401

Жыл бұрын

You are a clown 🤣

Another brilliant video from History Hit. Thankyou.

Excellent video 👍 ! Thanks for sharing this ! First time hearing about cutting your hair as a defense against the Vikings ! If only it was that easy !

Those Vikings that attacked Lindisfarne were without shields. That's how certain they were of meeting no resistance.

Great history! Thanks.

Well presented

Aaahhhh.... The good ol' days

Great vid. Make more.

Awesome story, loved It

Very good work

That must have been a day of complete horror.So many defencless men slaughtered Not good days.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👎

lovely video i have been filming there :) people love that place

The Anglo Saxon chronicle for 793 AD was written in Alfred the greats time. It wasn’t contemporary at all.

The courage it took to kill a bunch of defenseless monks and priests. So brave of them.

@oddstuffyt8161

10 ай бұрын

Money is money

@oddstuffyt8161

10 ай бұрын

U must know back then fighting is a daily thing lol

@oddstuffyt8161

10 ай бұрын

Countries do the same shit today and its justified apparently

@xrsuperduper7660

8 ай бұрын

The munks where armed. Dont bellive everything writen down by the munks. People not converting to Christianity was killed these times.

This interests me. I read about the raid on Lindisfarne decades ago in a fantasy novel.

Ragnar and vikings make me feel so lazy , just laying on the couch under blankets in January

@sand2935

Жыл бұрын

I mean they only killed the defenseless so you’re not that much lazier than them.

@fleadoggreen9062

Жыл бұрын

@@sand2935 lol nah they took over england

The earliest raid was actually on Portland in Dorset around 790 in the reign of Beortrhic of Wessex.

@Leadfoot_P71

Жыл бұрын

789 according to the video and wikipedia

@monkeytennis8861

Жыл бұрын

@@Leadfoot_P71 Ken obviously knows better

@GudieveNing

Жыл бұрын

How do we know what is fact and what is fiction?

@Relic.form-info

Жыл бұрын

@@GudieveNing google

@parisite99

Жыл бұрын

@@Relic.form-info I really hope this is sarcasm. If not, it’s not wonder so many are grossly misinformed. Google and Wiki are tools, not necessary facts. If fact, they are usually completely wrong.

It seems the Christian people of Britain at that time had lived in relative peace with little strife from serious invaders, and so were holy unprepared. I would be interested to hear what the kings of Britain said after hearing of this and whether they simply doubled down on the religious sentiment.

Early start

Love seeing Bamburgh in the back

Yay! Vikings! ❤️❤️‍🔥❤️❤️‍🔥❤️❤️‍🔥❤️❤️‍🔥❤️

Alcuin of York is not entirely wrong. Ostentatious showing of great wealth without security generally leads to trouble.

You don’t just sail across a vast sea on a whim. The raiders must have had prior knowledge of the treasures within. It makes me wonder if they had not visited the site before, perhaps as peaceful traders and may have been invited inside at one point either to meet Christ or to deliver their wares.

@dylmassey9395

Жыл бұрын

Isn’t that kinda what the vikings did tho? And if we’re talking accuracy England wasn’t officially formed until like 150 years after this event

@AleisterCrowley.

Жыл бұрын

@@dylmassey9395 It's "brought" not "bought" if we're talking accuracy 2:45. Shocking lol.

@kaizen5023

Жыл бұрын

Yes these churches must have been famous for their wealth, the vikings definitely knew their targets and had scouted or had inside information before they hit. You can imagine a viking spy feigning interest in The Lord and Savior, while taking note of the value of all the objects within the church.

how do they know

There has been some new findings that prove the raiding or going " Viking" was already going on. It just seems there is not so much scholarship on them.

Did the Vikings really sail all the way from Scandinavia to Lindisfarne ? or did they sail down the east coast from their bases in Orkney ?

Been there, a magical place in northern england

Someone had indeed deserved that: the church and its habit of amassing gold and precious stones attracted the vikings

How did they ever think they could live in peace on a coast

Somehow when listening to the story, I came to think of the part in Startrek Enterprise where the Andorians raid the Vulcan monastry.

I think 'Run for Home' was their best song :)

0:16 Viking indeed...

I can imagine the panic…. Of the people

some of the video (when matt lewis is on screen) is very stuttery. noticed it on some other videos on history hit too

Was up there last year its nice

My Grandfather was born there at the Snook. (Maybe someone would figure out who I am from that...) Anyway it is about 15 years since I was there but I did grow up hearing all of the stories and legends. Still always interesting to see another take on it. Although I think it always makes more sense in the context of why it was so important in not just English or British history but as a pivotal point and place in Western History. Along with Iona and Jarrow (World's oldest Bible, Bede etc.). That little corner of Northumberland is where the light of learning flickered when the western world went dark.

@epluribusunum1460

6 ай бұрын

You might like to read a book by Thomas Cahill, “How the Irish Saved Civilization”, exactly to your point. 🙏

I am born & bred in Northumberland! So pretty sure, I’ll have Viking blood in me! Even today you can see the impact of those times in our local words. Child= bairn, home= hyem!

@williamparker7823

Жыл бұрын

Born in the US, 23 and me says I'm 3% Scandinavian and 68% British and the rest is continental Europe.

@MrScumwhisperer

Жыл бұрын

hadaway n shite

@ML-bw4yt

Жыл бұрын

What’s this hype of having Viking ancestry

@steveforster9764

Жыл бұрын

Northumberland born and bred now living in Canada couldn't agree more.

@northumberlandjo1666

Жыл бұрын

@M L why not!? It's great to know your ancestry past!

Did it hurt?..but now we have many good thoughts on ya!!

The priory he was walking around in the video wasn't there in 793, that building was built in the twelfth century.

@romz1

Жыл бұрын

Which he literally says in the video 5:32

@oilersridersbluejays

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I watched the video too.

Godt gået, vikinger.

The first known account of a Viking raid in Anglo-Saxon England comes from 789, when three ships from Hordaland (in modern Norway) landed in the Isle of Portland on the southern coast of Wessex.

@sickbugz

Жыл бұрын

Yea it was in the video.. even had a nice lil graphic!

@lelleeriks8241

Жыл бұрын

@@sickbugz Yes but was the video “The True Story of the First Viking Attack on England” about the Portland raid?

@HankyPanky44

6 ай бұрын

@@lelleeriks8241 Partly yes, they cover it in detailed description. Did you not watch this?

Ive always kept my hair tidy and have never been attacked by any vikings so... Just an observation from an academic.

@Heuhegeygeygeheu

Жыл бұрын

I, on the other hand, have very untidy hair and have been raided at least 7 times by vikings. Really makes you think🤔

@uppsatskanalen4456

Жыл бұрын

@@Heuhegeygeygeheu An eye opener...

God: *sees dope haircut* God: Send the Vikings!

Why did we not attack the danes later

Wow! Those Chainsaws they are holding looked huge

Poor monks 😢

Pfft! I’ve cut my hair many times and it hasn’t protected me against Viking attacks at all.

It still is Northumbria

I can confirm that whenever I cut my hair, I suffer a Viking attack right after that.

Why are you walking around in the ruins from the monastery from around 1100, pointing and talking about the viking attack? The monastery at the time was a Long house.

I've read somewhere that St Cuthbert's Folk were "marrying monks and nuns", not celibates, such as the orders established by Pope Gregory. The image of them as something like Franciscans of a later time might be a bit inaccurate. The story I heard ends with them wandering for years with the remains of St Cuthbert, and finally coming to rest at Huby, in Yorkshire, if I remember correctly. You might find that the imputation of sin to them was due to a clash between Southern (with Roman origins) Christians, and Northern ones - with roots going back to the hermitages in the Irish Sea, and Iona, in Scotland. I think Lindisfarne was within the Northern tradition, rather than the Southern one. (Again, this is digging around inside the place I send facts to be forgotten, for information I came across many years ago.) As I had it, the monks and nuns of Iona's churches were only celibate by personal choice, if they were so, and would often marry, and have children, too. Celibacy was quite a new fangled thing in the early 800's.

@sicko_the_ew

Жыл бұрын

Update: Looks like celibacy wasn't so newfangled in the 800's after all. Pope Gregory lived in around 590. I do still recall that the Northern churches had their own ways, including married clergy.

@Modellers-Workbench

Жыл бұрын

Celibacy was only introduced in the 1200's from memory. And it was only brought in so that the Church could inherit the assets compared to them being left to a wife/family. It was never about sin etc.

@sicko_the_ew

Жыл бұрын

@@Modellers-Workbench Thanks. I went and checked a bit Gregory VII (in the 11th century) was the one who made celibacy of all priests mandatory, and then Gregory 1 (around 600 AD) was the founder of some monasteries - probably celibate ones. So I think the 11th century rule was a final step in a long process (involving a confusing number of Gregories). Before that, I suppose you might've found a married parish priest, but only celibate monks in any celibate monastery - but with monasteries going back to the times _before_ Gregory I having their own "celibacy policies". In the Dark Ages, the Irish church was independent of the church of Rome (and it's from the Irish church that the monasteries that led to the one at Holy Isle arise). At the time of the Vikings the South of England had become "Roman", but the North was still "Irish", roughly speaking.

Do we have the vikings point of view of this event?

@mrdarren1045

Жыл бұрын

Who's to blame if they couldn't write and record events?

I saw a doggie, so now this is my favourite history hit videos.

This event is so damn central to the history of the Vikings. You pretty much CAN'T do a documentary on them and NOT mention Lindisfarne.

@pearldivan6969

Жыл бұрын

It has a central position in viking history if you are british. It is not the central event when the history of the vikings is writen by historians in Denmark.

👍

Shock and oar.

Mankind is still prone to blaming the victim for their misfortune than blaming the perpetrator. We will never learn.

@Heuhegeygeygeheu

Жыл бұрын

It was an attempt to stop it from happening again. If you can point out ways that it's the victims fault then those things can be rectified. There's no use in just crying about the perpetrator. It's a very useful way of looking at things and is the only way we ever *will* learn.

@bakerboat4572

7 күн бұрын

@@Heuhegeygeygeheu "There's no use in just crying about the perpetrator." I don't disagree, but we (in our modern perspective) should be recognizing the relative amorality of everyone involved. Still, though, talking about events like Lindisfarne sometimes gets weird because of people incorrectly asserting that all Viking/Norsemen were peaceful (despite evidence to the contrary) and neo-pagan fascination which holds up Viking/Norse culture as an apparent model for humanity.

"They seemed nice".🤔

Great video however "England" was referred to a number of times. What is now England was a number of different kingdoms in 793. A unified "England" came later under Ælfred The Great.

@robertperrotto870

Жыл бұрын

this is factually untrue. Alfred died long before his great grandson unified the 4 kingdoms of Wessex, Mercia, East Aglia, and Northumbria. Scotland and Wales took centuries for the Anglo Saxons to pacify, and they gained Northumbria through marriage. All of this was rendered null when Knut the Great (the ONLY Monarch of a unified England to earn that moniker, and was a Dane) and a Vikingr. Alfreds line died out before the Norman Invasions, either through war, assasinations, or plain fate. The war between Knuts sons paved the way for the Norman invasion.

@gisha6791

Жыл бұрын

@@robertperrotto870 it is very strange to say that the line died out when, for example, Queen Elisabeth 2 was a descendant of Alfred the Great

@bakerboat4572

7 күн бұрын

It's for simplicity. Unless they're British, most people won't know what "Wessex" or "East Anglia" is, much less where they are.

Spent many pleasant day trips to 'Holy Island,' over the years. It's really nice to catch it on a day, when not rammed with touristi. Certainly check those tides and times thereof. The more I hear and read about this attack on St Cuthbert's Priory, the more it smells like and 'inside job.' All those works of art, gold & silver just ready to be plundered, guarded over by a few pious & effete monks? What happens to 'God helps them, who help themselves?' Those Vikings were just on a speculative raid, as they passed by? Although in the modern context, based on the way certain folk have behaved during recent shortages of toilet paper & pasta ect, not hard to imagine, how this raid kicked off. "Oooh look Olaf, those monks have just unpacked a few pallets of Prime Energy drink." Are you ready? 🙂👍

@the_real_littlepinkhousefly

Жыл бұрын

More likely the Vikings had heard about their hoard, or had seen it for themselves on some kind of trading expedition. Or just knew that monasteries were great places to find gold, etc., and knew there was one there (maybe knew it was of extreme importance). I find the "effete" comment insulting to any male in holy orders. Ridiculous stereotype. Also, "God helps those who help themselves" is NOT in the Bible. It's a man-made saying that is contrary to the Bible.

@mrdarren1045

Жыл бұрын

Tourists like yourself you mean? Yeah wouldn't want to bump into any of them.

The Angles were Suebi and most likely Arians. Two Roman emperors, Constantius II and Valens, became Arians or Semi-Arians, as did prominent Gothic, Vandal, and Lombard warlords both before and after the fall of the Western Roman Empire. The Catholics were squatters and got shown the door.

Basically it was an olden day smash and grab!

Writing after the event, a churchman blamed the monks on Lindesfarne for not being holy enough, therefore being at fault for the attack. Like so often today, even in those days the victims were being blamed for the crimes they suffered. Nothing changes, does it ?

They managed a brief occupancy in tiny areas of North Wales, but were sent packing, so not really that much Viking history in the land of the native indigenous Briton's. When the Norman conquest swept away the Saxon's in a blink of an eye, it took another 250 years, and the most extensive and expensive castle building programs ever seen in Western Europe... And all this to subdue a tiny nation of sheep shaggin hill tribes. This perspective of indigenous native history is strangely ignored, given the Welsh have been in a perpetual state of foreign aggressive oppression since Roman times.

I don't understand why they did not attack Scotland where it is easier to reach. Possibly they were too scared.

I think more research needs to be done on the build up to Lindisfarne. Charlemagne was trying to Christianise Saxony and had destroyed sacred artifacts and most importantly used Anglo-Saxon missionaries as translators. I dare say Lindisfarne was a response to this and the desecration of the monastry was revenge. I think it's possible that the Viking wars were a religious/cultural war more akin to the antagonisms between Christendom and the Muslim world...

@JohnFlower-NZ

Жыл бұрын

This holy war between the Norse and the Christians was mentioned in the TV series Vikings

@Orphen42O

Жыл бұрын

It is probable that the wealth of the Lindisfarne that attracted the Vikings. The attack was probably not a reaction to Christian attacks on pagans. Are there any accounts of Vikings attacking those parts of Great Britain that were still pagan?

Vast army. Probably 40 men.

Maye the monks should not have been sitting on all of that gold.

like the slaughtery of Verdun by the francs 10 years earlier

not true, I was there

First recorded raid was chesil beach on Portland in Dorset a few years before. They killed the local royal official.

@Renard380

Жыл бұрын

...as said in the video ;)

@lovelightjoy1868

Жыл бұрын

True, the first recorded raid was at Portland. The first monastery raid was at Lindisfarne. Probably that is one of the reason it became more well known, also because the Anglo - Saxon Chronicle and the Norse Sagas often back up each other historical facts of the raids and interactions , so there's much more to tell.

@drzoidbergmd3200

Жыл бұрын

@@Renard380 Indeed it does

"00 years too early for England.

The Anglo-Saxons were raiding Britain in Longships during the 4thC while it was still under Roman rule. They were being Vikings before it was fashionable.

Not far from my house

Lindisfarne was not the first viking raid in England

This can hardly be regarded as a valid telling of history. As the man says "What do we really know about that day?"I it should also be said that by his own admission Mat Lewis is not by any stretch a trained historian. Simply reading the account as presented by the Anglo Saxon Chronicle gives as much an objective view as would Jimmy Saville talking about his charity work. There is repeated reference to "pagans" and "heathens" as opposed to the "saintly" monks. This is illogical judgement on the basis of emotive words. The main source of monks was sons of families that had no inheritance to pass on once the eldest son had been seen to. Chastity did not become a qualification for the job of being a monk for another few hundred years so many would have had female (or male) companions. The Vikings may have come to pinch the bling off the altar but where did the monks get it from in the first place? Much of the wealth of the church came from local kings and chiefs trying to buy their way into heaven after having thought about the bad stuff (like rape and pillage) that they had done. A genuine attempt at a "true" story would give the story from the Viking side as well. Do we know where the raiding party actually came from? There must have been communication before hand for the Vikings to know where to find the stuff. Did they have inside information? Actually stealing the stuff is pointless unless they have a market. Do we know where the treasures finished up afterwards? I think it highly unlikely that the story is as simple and one dimensional as the presenter makes out.

@johnDukemaster

Жыл бұрын

Well said.

@softlylolalunar1192

Жыл бұрын

I also don’t understand why the presenters pronounce fairly common words wrong; for example ‘celts’ or the name ‘Cillian’ with a soft c? Takes you out of it and makes you feel less trusting of the content.

@iplanes1

Жыл бұрын

@@softlylolalunar1192 I totally agree. I am a teacher of physics (retired) and regularly had to deal with students who said "AH yes but I have seen a youtube video that says you are wrong". I am not sure what the answer is but the way that youtube is becoming the reference library for so many is worrying especially when it is so easy to put out "learning" that is biased, not reviewed and even malicious with little in the way of checks on the content.

@rhysnichols8608

Жыл бұрын

I agree with 90% of your comment, however you don’t have to be a ‘trained historian’ to be well versed and knowledgeable on a subject. I have no degree or piece of paper that says I’m an historian but that didn’t stop from sharing the same viewpoint as you that this was very one sided. If anything, trained historians are the ones who are the most dogmatic and politically correct, as they are taught that trusting ‘experts’ and regurgitating certain view points is the way to be a good researcher. Stop fetishising qualifications

I had nothig to do with it.

A wrong picture of it. Yes, they could be brutal. but not as close to the ones they told you about. They were masters of trade. They are buiding ships, not to mention the all of the counting of trading. many people dont get this

@skepticalbadger

Жыл бұрын

How is it wrong? Are you denying that they attacked Lindisfarne?

@stc3145

Жыл бұрын

@@skepticalbadger This raid dosent represent the entire Norse population. Could also mention the Angles and Saxons invaded Britain as well. And Charlemagne murdered thousands of non Christians in Central Europe

@kaarebanan13

Жыл бұрын

@@stc3145 Exactly. Yes, they were brutal, but so were basically all of the people around them. Look up some sources in Bysatines. If all, they were great at cooperation and trading. You could not survive in Norway and Scandinavia without working along with the ones beside you.

@mijanhoque1740

Жыл бұрын

@@stc3145 For real, it’s like people forget things like the crusades which shows how brutal and barbaric Christians can be. Especially in the 4th crusades where Catholics destroyed, burned, pillaged, raped (especially nuns of all things) and looted their Orthodox Christian brothers and sisters in Constantinople. The Vikings really do get a bad rep but mainly by their Anglo-Saxon historical writers.

@kevinbailey9981

15 күн бұрын

That's not what the video is about, it's about the raid on Lindisfarne so it talks about the people inhabiting lindesfarn and trying to find a clearer picture of what there.

"Out of all this treasure, you saved a book"

@the_real_littlepinkhousefly

Жыл бұрын

If you knew how much time and effort they put in in making those books, you might understand why they went for them first. They couldn't just go down to the local library or bookstore and get another copy. They were painstakingly written and illustrated by monks gifted in that kind of artistry. They were great treasures to the Christian world and to the monks in general. Gold, etc., could be gotten again, likely without a lot of hard work if you had local patrons trying to buy their way into heaven. But the books would have to be recreated from scratch, or copied from extant works. As a writer, if someone gave me a choice between stealing my one and only manuscript and taking my gold, they could have my gold. Likewise, if I were an artist, I'd make the same decision. Even if there was another copy to be duplicated, that's a dang awful lot of work.

@jacebohannon9308

Жыл бұрын

@@the_real_littlepinkhousefly I know, that was a quote from the Vikings TV show.

@the_real_littlepinkhousefly

Жыл бұрын

@@jacebohannon9308 Ah. Haven't seen it, wouldn't know.

I've seen a couple things that depict female Viking warriors, forcing monks to um... be unchaste with them. That's complete fiction, right? I only ask because it's becoming such a common trope. I did hear someone saying there are graves of Viking women found with weapons and armor, although there's still a lot of debate as to whether they are actually female warriors, or just got buried with their husband's stuff. I didn't find that person's argument in favor of them being warriors all that strong, but I couldn't completely dismiss it either. So, were there female Viking warriors and did they rape some of the monks, or is it just Hollywood catering to the modern audience's wanting equality of the sexes?

@TheFatController.

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's bollox. Feminist propaganda. It doesn't take much research to find out the truth. Women are weak and small, why would they be "warriors"?

Well if they weren't living to excess and didn't have anything to steal then the Vikings wouldn't have come back so there is some sort of logic there.

Parallels with Europeans and North and South America are coincidental.

Yeah when is Norway going to pay to get that Priory rebuilt.

records don't mention vikings or Norsemen-they say pagans came from the North which could be the direction they approached Lindisfarne. Charlemagne was campaigning against the Saxons and Frisians and destroying their temples. Lindisfarne was a sacred site to the Christian missionaries who had destroyed the sacred sites in Frisia and of the Saxons and therefore a target, it could have been payback.

@John-qs2xr

Жыл бұрын

@@elessartelcontar9415 I"m referring to the Lindisfarne raid -in 793 called pagans in the original text or from the North (the direction they attacked as much as their origin). The Frisians fought back against the Franks and seized their ships. The Northumbrian missionaries were very violent in destroying the shrines of the Frisians-Btw can you source your quote-it's apocryphal.

People looking for Fungible Tokens?

Perhaps we should demand reparations from Norway.

People in the past we're really stupid

Odin, Thor, and Freyr tried to warn the monks they didn't listen 🤣

Interesting that the local clergy initially blamed the fate of the Lindisfarne monks on their sins - indicating that those monks may not have been living a very modest or pious life AND that fact being well known. The churchmen were greedy accumulators of other people's stuff and the Vikings obviously hit a fat jackpot there. The word must have spread that monasteries were great sources of accumulated treasures that could be easily looted.

It was not the first viking attack.

True story according to brits

....and did the god botherers learn their lesson not to hoard gold, jewels and wealth in the name of their magic fairy. Nah, they're still at it to this day.

One of the best days in history.

@Outside85

Жыл бұрын

The day the Catholic Church walked into the wrong bar.

@SandileNgwenya-gv7nx

11 ай бұрын

Yeah very brave of them attack defenceless priests

@kingofspades1785

11 ай бұрын

@@SandileNgwenya-gv7nx yessir

forefathers of those nordic black metal artists that burned churches in the 90s