The Trials & Tribulations of Fannie Farmer’s 1896 Chocolate Nougat Cake Recipe

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An 1896 Chocolate nougat cake recipe from Fannie Farmer. A cake recipe from the Fannie Farmer cookbook… best hold on to something. I’m really hoping I have better luck with this recipe than any of Julia Child’s. Recipe can be found in the Original Boston Cooking-School Cookbook 1896.
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  • @craft_gal
    @craft_gal5 ай бұрын

    From some reading, it looks like powdered sugar in the 1890s was more like what is known in the UK as caster sugar. Its finer than granulated, but not as fine as icing sugar.

  • @gardengatesopen

    @gardengatesopen

    5 ай бұрын

    Icing Sugar being what we here in the States call powdered sugar.

  • @terry7907

    @terry7907

    5 ай бұрын

    @@gardengatesopensome of us call it confectioner’s sugar.

  • @jonathangauthier2686

    @jonathangauthier2686

    5 ай бұрын

    Seems that it would also sometimes have Corn starch in it to prevent clumping. Wonder if that's the difference

  • @ItsMeJenBB

    @ItsMeJenBB

    5 ай бұрын

    I had a british recipe that called for caster sugar and it split just like his did. When i used regular granulated sugar, I had zero issues. I thought I was going crazy because I was following the directions to a T. Im going to stick to granulated sugar. LOL

  • @craft_gal

    @craft_gal

    5 ай бұрын

    It seemed to be connected to sugar loaves and grinding up the hard sugar by hand. Shrug. I suspect that if you're hand grinding sugar, it might not be as fine as powdered.

  • @pascal6871
    @pascal68715 ай бұрын

    In a way, the batter breaking because of the difference between old and modern powdered sugar was a huge stroke of luck. How heartbreaking would it have been to finish the entire cake and then not be able to eat it because of the spoiled milk. Fanny saw you from her resting place and saved your cake.

  • @SophiaPetrillosBuddy

    @SophiaPetrillosBuddy

    5 ай бұрын

    Fanny saved him from spoiled milk, but sure likes wasting ingredients

  • @TychoKingdom

    @TychoKingdom

    5 ай бұрын

    You can bake with sour milk. Because it cooks to a high temp for a reasonably long time.

  • @isobelmatheson8036

    @isobelmatheson8036

    5 ай бұрын

    Sour milk can give a better rise. My mum always made scones or pancakes with it.

  • @lisaflower5994

    @lisaflower5994

    5 ай бұрын

    All cakes say to begin and end with dry ingredients…usually this avoids the mixture splitting…there was simply too much liquid for the butter to absorb and not split. Though splitting is not usually a problem to the final cake. The recipe is slightly strange…so little butter

  • @AmbassadorKat

    @AmbassadorKat

    5 ай бұрын

    You can self-curdle milk with lemon juice as a replacement for buttermilk so I think it might actually have been ok

  • @almosdrozdik6738
    @almosdrozdik67385 ай бұрын

    Curdling in cake batter is fine, it won't really affect the finished product, and the flour does usually bring it back together (when the full amount is added). Adding a high amount of liquid to a butter based batter that doesn't have many eggs in it will almost always make it curdle and it's fine.

  • @dorinachan113

    @dorinachan113

    5 ай бұрын

    as a baker I was about to say this, He was like "oh no it's separated" and I was saying as he frowned. "add a bit of flour" Two, she would have hand mixed this so she would have done just that.

  • @dtulip1

    @dtulip1

    5 ай бұрын

    Unless it's got spoilt milk 😅

  • @almosdrozdik6738

    @almosdrozdik6738

    5 ай бұрын

    @@dorinachan113 Right! Man, I spend so much of the time I'm watching his channel just banging my head against the table xd. But that's the fun of it I guess.

  • @mxmm572

    @mxmm572

    5 ай бұрын

    Knowing this info made it damn painful to watch:D

  • @JanicePhillips

    @JanicePhillips

    5 ай бұрын

    I was like...don't throw that out you goof! Well...the 2 with the spoiled milk, sure. Poor Jamie's gun shy on the cakes tho. 😂

  • @greyfirestone5119
    @greyfirestone51195 ай бұрын

    When making a chocolate cake instead of dusting the pans with flour, use cocoa. It won’t leave a noticeable residue on the cake, that flour can do.

  • @gardengatesopen

    @gardengatesopen

    5 ай бұрын

    Definitely.

  • @the_enby_geek

    @the_enby_geek

    5 ай бұрын

    actually, Cocoa powder isn't a good idea. It soaks up anything you greased the pan with, and will cause your cakes to get stuck

  • @bloodangel13

    @bloodangel13

    5 ай бұрын

    And while he's at it, rather than melting the chocolate directed in the pan on top of the stove, he should have use the double boiler method to ensures that the chocolate won't seize.

  • @PyrrhusBrin

    @PyrrhusBrin

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@bloodangel13I swear he's used that method before.

  • @steveolson4123

    @steveolson4123

    5 ай бұрын

    When your post appeared the word 'cocoa' was cut off to 'coc.' I thought you were making a joke post and were going to write the word 'cocaine.'

  • @Puuppanalle
    @Puuppanalle4 ай бұрын

    Here in Finland, we have this thing called "sisu". Wiki describes it better than I could do in English: "Sisu is a Finnish concept described as stoic determination, tenacity of purpose, grit, bravery, resilience, and hardiness. It is held by Finns to express their national character. It is generally considered not to have a literal equivalent in English." I really do think that You should be nominated to be a honorary Finn.. because you have more sisu than anyone else I know. :) Thank you for 5 wonderful years of videos :) Happy Holidays!! :)

  • @jody-annesullivan4547

    @jody-annesullivan4547

    Ай бұрын

    What a fantastic compliment!!

  • @atiithe

    @atiithe

    Ай бұрын

    Sori mut Sisu just means tenacity. Tyhmä juttu tää sisulla ei oo translation, ollaanpa tosi uniikkeja

  • @esstown
    @esstown5 ай бұрын

    Just a hint - from experience, all basic cake batters split at that stage where you kept getting trouble. If you ignore it and carry on, it comes back together after the rest of the milk and flour is mixed in.

  • @MiArcangel

    @MiArcangel

    5 ай бұрын

    Yeah, just follow the recipe even if it looks ugly

  • @mariephenix7168

    @mariephenix7168

    4 ай бұрын

    Yes and it is basic cake making

  • @lilbatz
    @lilbatz5 ай бұрын

    When the syrup "threads" it actually looks like thin syrupy threads. You lucked out that the frosting worked. The sugar syrup wasn't reduced enough. It was still like water. That's why your frosting was much looser.

  • @martinlehtonen

    @martinlehtonen

    5 ай бұрын

    came here to tell the same. Cooking sugar is tricky and you could make an episode about it. Try to make candy or fudge

  • @nectarina3891

    @nectarina3891

    5 ай бұрын

    Yeah I think this recipe is basically a swiss meringue, sugar was way under reduced.

  • @sarahbaker7100

    @sarahbaker7100

    5 ай бұрын

    I thought it was going for Italian buttercream (admittedly, I did google because I couldn’t remember which meringue frosting did syrup into eggs as opposed to heating whites and sugar and might have found an incorrect source. )

  • @nectarina3891

    @nectarina3891

    5 ай бұрын

    @@sarahbaker7100 I meant italian meringue oops

  • @anngcampbellbower4385

    @anngcampbellbower4385

    5 ай бұрын

    Agreed. He didn't cook the syrup long enough for threads to run off the fork tines when he held it up.

  • @CollateralDamage1571
    @CollateralDamage15715 ай бұрын

    I know this is a backhanded compliment, but I learn SO MUCH from your screw ups; not to mention your persistence and your stellar array of successes. Thank you for sharing it all with us.

  • @akastardust

    @akastardust

    5 ай бұрын

    The mistakes are part of the process. I also love the realness of keeping them in.

  • @pjef1956

    @pjef1956

    5 ай бұрын

    @@akastardust Definitely ! Jamie is a great teacher when it comes to accepting that we are human, and humans make mistakes. That doesn't make us inept or stupid. AND ... when you KEEP going, you win because you didn't quit. He's become an excellent cook/baker, and the fact that he leaves in mistakes helps us learn, AND shows he's still quite humble about his skills...

  • @GrannyT23
    @GrannyT235 ай бұрын

    the second i see “cake” in an anti-chef video title, i know i’m in for a good time

  • @lisapop5219
    @lisapop52195 ай бұрын

    You should check out Glenn and friends. He does Sunday mornings old cookbook show and he talks about the process that he goes through to decipher old recipes. There's a lot of things to consider. It's pretty interesting

  • @rosezingleman5007

    @rosezingleman5007

    5 ай бұрын

    *Glen

  • @TheJaniceJoy
    @TheJaniceJoy5 ай бұрын

    Thank you Jamie, for giving people a safe retreat from the stress of the times we live in. I appreciate your channel more than you could know. From one cook’s heart to another…

  • @megan4475

    @megan4475

    5 ай бұрын

    I don't understand how people find his chaos relaxing, I am yelling at my screen, and yet youtube recommends and I watch..

  • @Suckmuh

    @Suckmuh

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@megan4475To me his chaos and mistakes are a sign of true authenticity with no hard scripts aswell as signs of his love of the cooking process/entertaining. Now a days that is hard to find when consuming media so I am thankful for Jamie's attitude and the way he structures his videos. Besides he's human, no one is perfect, that includes you and me.

  • @natalieking2497
    @natalieking24975 ай бұрын

    Enter the sour milk, twirling a moustache, carrying a rope to tie the cake to railroad tracks . . . I didn't expect a mid-bake plot twist. Good recovery from error is a skill, too.

  • @tomc.8860
    @tomc.88605 ай бұрын

    Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but the fat content of milk in the late 1800s would have been much higher. They basically had two products. Skim milk, which would have been ~1% milkfat, and "Milk", which would have been 5-6% milkfat.

  • @philhinds3655

    @philhinds3655

    5 ай бұрын

    Even cookbooks from the 1980s ingredients specifically butter has changed

  • @lauriehamilton2436

    @lauriehamilton2436

    5 ай бұрын

    Thats what I was thinking too! Also why the chocolate seized up...

  • @lisaflower5994

    @lisaflower5994

    5 ай бұрын

    I hadn’t seen your comment and typed the same thing….I don’t think that’s the cause of the split batter…it may be why the chocolate didn’t melt nicely into the milk

  • @tomc.8860

    @tomc.8860

    5 ай бұрын

    @@lisaflower5994 Very possibly. I'm no baking expert.

  • @lauriehamilton2436

    @lauriehamilton2436

    5 ай бұрын

    @@lisaflower5994 Yes I agree, the sugar was probably the culprit...there are so many interesting things about these old recipes n'est pas? Considering Fanny Farmer also wouldn't have used a electric mixer also...definitely food for thought LOL

  • @elizag1261
    @elizag12615 ай бұрын

    Hello from Boston! As a historian in the city, it's super exciting to see Fannie Farmer in the mix on your channel. A few years ago I lived just a few street numbers away from the site of the former Boston Cooking School building that she studied in. But it's funny that all of her recipes look like a journey for our modern amenities lol

  • @pobster88j94
    @pobster88j945 ай бұрын

    I’m not sure why I watch you. I don’t cook at all, yet find your channel so fun and relaxing. Happy holidays Jamie.

  • @sunnylifecrochet

    @sunnylifecrochet

    5 ай бұрын

    Same here. I'm coming here for entertainment and relaxing. After all his mistakes he is better than I'm

  • @HumanimalChannel

    @HumanimalChannel

    5 ай бұрын

    I am watching whilst a Green's packet mix lemon self-saucing pudding bakes in the oven. We shd def feel guilt free enjoying watching Jamie learn and toil!

  • @mismiserables

    @mismiserables

    5 ай бұрын

    Same lol

  • @donnakregel5486
    @donnakregel54865 ай бұрын

    Sour milk is an excellent ingredient for cakes! It actually is more acidic and improves the rise of batters. Works great for pancakes too

  • @user-ii3vn8tn3q

    @user-ii3vn8tn3q

    5 ай бұрын

    Put vinegar into milk first for buttermilk, for biscuits.

  • @Curlyl0x

    @Curlyl0x

    5 ай бұрын

    @@user-ii3vn8tn3qor lemon juice works too

  • @BBoxCleaner

    @BBoxCleaner

    5 ай бұрын

    Isn’t there a difference between sour milk and spoiled milk?

  • @electronblue8334

    @electronblue8334

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@BBoxCleanerAll I know is that there's a difference between spoiled milk and buttermilk (which is what I would call "sour milk"). Spoiled milk is probably more like Kefir and I've never seen anyone recommend using Kefir for baking. I don't think you can actually use spoiled milk...

  • @momoha222

    @momoha222

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@electronblue8334In India we get raw milk, which we boil and then store in fridge. When it is just beginning to turn sour, it's the best time to add lemon/vinegar to make it split to make paneer. The residual liquid afaik is called whey...? For me buttermilk is the residual liquid from making butter. You gather the cream that accumulates on top of the milk, then you add ice water and churn it. The butter will form, and the residual liquid is buttermilk. From what I remember from when I was living in Canada, the way pasteurised and homogenised milk generally behaves, like the way it spoils, was different, but my memory might be playing tricks.

  • @carliepennycook350
    @carliepennycook3505 ай бұрын

    My 15 month old was rapt watching this video! And laughed hysterically when you found out your milk was bad 😂 You might have a new young fan!

  • @ItsMeJenBB
    @ItsMeJenBB5 ай бұрын

    OMG I made a lemon loaf from a British recipe a couple months ago that called for castor sugar. Couldnt find it, so I used regular granulated sugar. No issues. This week, I found castor sugar so made the same recipe and my dang batter separated just like yours did! I thought I was going crazy, so I am SO glad I watched this video to explain it was the freaking fine castor sugar that messed up the recipe- I feel vindicated! LOL Thank you! :)

  • @ZuchtbulleXXX

    @ZuchtbulleXXX

    5 ай бұрын

    My guess is that the caster sugar or powdered one is stronger hygroscopic and while sitting on the shelf already accumulated some mentionable amount of moisture, which normally would lead to clumping but is hindered to this by industrial additives, e.g starch. When adding this moisture to the fat (butter) without enough of an emulgator, e.g egg yolk, this may result in the emulsion separating.

  • @bedetteb1111

    @bedetteb1111

    5 ай бұрын

    Castor is the same as our granulated sugar in north America.

  • @tisketisja5528

    @tisketisja5528

    5 ай бұрын

    just put your granulated sugar in a blender and you have castor sugar

  • @WolfGoddess77
    @WolfGoddess775 ай бұрын

    This is why I always smell the milk before I use it for anything, regardless of whether it's reached it expiration date or not. Milk is sneaky; it can go bad when you least expect it to.

  • @gardengatesopen

    @gardengatesopen

    5 ай бұрын

    Milk & Eggs. Sneaky players. Always check their qualifications before entering.

  • @Acolis

    @Acolis

    5 ай бұрын

    i just buy a fresh quart(or whatever i need) of milk everytime. i hate using milk as an ingredient for this very reason. going by smell isnt really enough imo. there is an overlap where milk is spoiled, or on the verge of, but doesnt really smell bad yet.

  • @jeanvignes

    @jeanvignes

    5 ай бұрын

    It was not uncommon back then to intentionally "sour" the milk by adding in some vinegar (or using buttermilk) because that added another layer of flavor (not unlike sour cream.) Google: "making sour milk for baking".

  • @breadpilled2587
    @breadpilled25875 ай бұрын

    I love watching these episodes together with my grandma. It's how we bond and has become a ritual of ours.

  • @gardengatesopen
    @gardengatesopen5 ай бұрын

    Now you know: Granulated sugar in the cake itself. & Powdered sugar is for frosting. Is a pretty good rule of 👍 Honestly, I feel Fanny should have been more specific. But then, how was she to know Jamie would be asking these questions A CENTURY LATER! Can you imagine being Fanny, and thinking you've GOT TO aim your writing style to a person 100 years in the future???! If I were Fanny, and someone told me that, I'd be all: 😳 🤷🏼‍♀️ 😬

  • @anounimouse
    @anounimouse5 ай бұрын

    Many cakes incorporate 'BUTTERMILK' just having the addition of Baking Soda to neutralize. The amount of liquid added to a butter mixture is causing the split/curdle (in spite of the egg of whose fat will be an emulsifier), but please continue as the end result will be normal/fine! These cakes actually have a more tender crumb!!

  • @davidp2888
    @davidp28885 ай бұрын

    One of my favorite things to do on Sunday mornings is watch your videos.

  • @gardengatesopen

    @gardengatesopen

    5 ай бұрын

    Same!

  • @myjewelry4u
    @myjewelry4u5 ай бұрын

    The pan flip has made my day! 😂

  • @sarakent52
    @sarakent525 ай бұрын

    I like to think i am a veteran home baker. I bake some meeeean desserts. But today, while trying to bake a butter tart square, the stars just weren't aligned, and I kept making mistakes and messes, and I was so annoyed!! Then, I got a notification for this video, and I was so happy. I love how you make us feel like we have an ally in the world of culinary disasters 😂. We all have these days. Thank you for making me feel human today lol

  • @lhzook
    @lhzook5 ай бұрын

    All of the difficulties that your having with this cake,is probably why no one, online, has admitted to baking this cake.

  • @GrammarSplaining

    @GrammarSplaining

    5 ай бұрын

    Mystery solved

  • @lilbatz

    @lilbatz

    5 ай бұрын

    My two pennies into the opinion hat. Powdered sugar in older recipes is castor sugar. Confectioners sugar is what they would have called our fine sugar plus cornstarch mixture. The recipe isn't the problem. It's not understanding older vocabulary and using the wrong ingredients.

  • @lauriehamilton2436
    @lauriehamilton24365 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the video! It was painful to see how much you struggled with this recipe, but sooo entertaining LOL...I'm a pastry chef and even I had questions about this recipe and amounts. I've never used icing sugar when creaming butter for cake batter (cookies, yes, cake no). My theory: perhaps the fat content of the milk caused the curdling and the chocolate to seize. Maybe in Fanny's era the milk they used might have had higher than 2% milk fat? Whole milk or cream probably would have done the trick, considering the small amount of butter...so sad about the spoiled milk OMG I felt so bad for you! I would have creamed the butter and sugar much longer first, emulsifying that well (more air/volume), then added the egg and mixed well before adding the milk and flour. Jamie, don't forget to scrape down the sides of your mixing bowl too! Now I want to try this recipe for myself HAHA! You rock!

  • @ravenwillowhart4501
    @ravenwillowhart45015 ай бұрын

    I have an oatmeal cookie recipe from my great-grandmother. Every time I get to the point where after creaming the butter and sugar I add the two eggs (so far so good). Then I add the milk. And it looks curdled every single time. The key? Don't stop. Trust the recipe. By the end of the process, I have a beautiful cookie batter and they are wonderful. They have a cake-like texture which is different from most every other oatmeal cookie. I'm so sorry Jamie, but until we found out your milk had curdled I kept wanting to tell you to stop thinking so much, and just stop and keep going. I think just about anyone will tell you it takes a few years of doing these things to get the hang of it and be able to trust your gut when to deviate from what the author of the recipe says. Keep at it. I love watching your videos and they remind me that what I find sometimes second nature (about anything) may not be the same for anyone else.

  • @NellieNeedsMeat
    @NellieNeedsMeat5 ай бұрын

    Oh Jaime, I wish I could have helped you with the first batch because I could have saved you a lot of stress. It's perfectly fine that it split, and you could have used the sour milk, your cake would have been delicious! It splits because the fat isn't mixing in with the liquid. It's fine, I have a yellow cake recipe that I used for years and it happened every single time. Years and years of making that recipe, and it was always perfection coming out of the oven. Wasn't just my family eating them either, other people ordered that cake.

  • @999Giustina
    @999Giustina5 ай бұрын

    Ok Jamie, thread syrup really looks like stringy threads. Also, you would do well to research what powdered sugar meant when the recipe was written. I think it means sugar that is not in a cone and is white. So more like caster sugar, but granulated would work fine. The average farm wife would not have access to icing sugar. But I'm glad it turned out alright.

  • @bobandkelly
    @bobandkelly5 ай бұрын

    I love when Jamie starts chucking things around 😂

  • @amberford300
    @amberford3005 ай бұрын

    Sometimes I really wish some of us were there so we could help him but gosh he's so entertaining and he's come such a long way

  • @user-tr5jc7ge9e
    @user-tr5jc7ge9e5 ай бұрын

    Given the quantity of ingredients, I’m not surprised there was only enough batter for one 9” layer. I have a set of 6” cake pans and when I want a small layer cake I find that one 9” layer equals two 6” layers.

  • @silkelillig4864

    @silkelillig4864

    5 ай бұрын

    And I am not sure but I assume that the side was not that high on the pans she might have used. I am not sure where I might have seen or read it but there are also cake pans that are not as tall as the one he used. Right when I am writing this Baklava comes to mind, where the sides of the pans are more shallow.

  • @merseyviking

    @merseyviking

    5 ай бұрын

    The area of a 6" round tin is about 28 sq in, and that of a 9" tin is 62 sq in, so your rule of thumb is pretty spot on.

  • @jeanvignes

    @jeanvignes

    5 ай бұрын

    When I first started helping my elders bake (sixty years ago) cake tins were 8" in diameter. A 9" diameter pan (or larger) didn't exist in our homes (mother, grandmothers.) That 9" pan looked enormous to me. I think two 8" cakes would have been small enough (and thin enough) to make a small layer cake if the nougat had not been so thin (see other comments about the too-watery sugar syrup.)

  • @janegardener1662

    @janegardener1662

    5 ай бұрын

    In the Fannie Farmer Cookbook she gives directions for 7 inch cake pans, which are unusual now. I like the smaller recipes myself.

  • @gra3z
    @gra3z5 ай бұрын

    Jamie from the past could not recover as well as you did this time around, indeed you are learning and paying attention in what’s happening in your mixing/ cooking/baking process. Kudos 🎉👏🏼👍🏼 Always so fun watching your videos. “Keep on rocking in the free word” and “Doot doula doot doo…”🇨🇦🍁

  • @user-fn3ej4ry9u

    @user-fn3ej4ry9u

    5 ай бұрын

    39890

  • @StreamingNomad
    @StreamingNomad5 ай бұрын

    I remember working with an early Betty Crocker cookbook and coming across multiple references in the ingredient list of the same item, and my mother explained they were spelled out twice as each iteration was used for a different purpose. later recipes would call out the ingredient once and call for it to be seperated within the instructions.

  • @lorassorkin
    @lorassorkin5 ай бұрын

    The Old Cookbook Show on the Glen and Friends cooking channel is a phenomenal resource for decoding old recipes.

  • @hannakinn
    @hannakinn5 ай бұрын

    Jamie I have 2 ideas that may have contributed to your cake batter separating. The 365 brand of powdered sugar, both the regular and the organic, contain tapioca starch. Historically powdered sugar did not contain starch, the fine sugar that had starch added was called confectioners sugar, the sddition of starch kept the finely ground sugsr from clumping from moisture. Also powdered sugar used to be available in varying numbers designated by a number followed by an X, the number indicated how many times granulated sugar had been processed. In the US it became most standard for powdered sugar to be sold as 6X and 10X sugar with 10X odten being used for confectioners as it has finer sugar particles than 6X. If Fannie's recipe was designed to have no starch in the batter the tapioca starch in the powdered sugar you used may have created a problem or your powdered sugar may have been more finely ground than what was available to Fannie back in her era. Another issue could've been the butter, store bought butter can be quite different than what Fannie may have used, the milk she used may have had a higher fat content. I can remember when the last of the milkman still delivered milk in glass bottles that the milk had a layer of cream on the top, milk was creamier back then. Products do change, often a lot, over the years. How an old recipe performs with modern day ingredients can be surprising. I think it would be interesting to look at the modernized version of Fannie's recipe to see what changes were made. I wonder if the modern version resulted in a broken batter too.

  • @Okiepharmer

    @Okiepharmer

    5 ай бұрын

    Imperial powdered sugar 10x contains cornstarch. Is there a difference in reaction between tapioca & cornstarch? You’re commenting makes complete sense & I wonder if FF used a powdered sugar with any starch at all? I made an icing the other day and it tasted like cornstarch. I think I may try the 365 product & see if the flavor is better.

  • @simonopps

    @simonopps

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@OkiepharmerI often find that tapioca starch binds more liquid than cornstarch

  • @electronblue8334

    @electronblue8334

    5 ай бұрын

    American products are so weird! Why is there starch in your sugar? When I buy sugar, I expect it to be 100% sugar... Though you never know, they may have added other stuff over here, too, without me noticing. I really have to remind myself to read the label...

  • @riverbilly64
    @riverbilly645 ай бұрын

    When I was growing up, curdled milk was specifically saved to make baked goods…Cake. Bread. Biscuits. Cornbread. Pancakes. Not for custards or custard-based pies, though. Or the icing. A split cake batter ain’t no thang. I’m almost 60 and honestly never paid attention to a “curdled” batter ever…until your video. 😃 Also, I think the icing is meant to be more like a 7-Minute Frosting.

  • @electronblue8334

    @electronblue8334

    5 ай бұрын

    interesting! so you actually used "spoiled" milk? I wouldn't have thought that was a good idea... hrm 🤔

  • @TrainsFerriesFeet
    @TrainsFerriesFeet5 ай бұрын

    Yes! The Silver Fox. The finished cake was gorgeous.

  • @disjustice
    @disjustice5 ай бұрын

    Modern confection sugar often has corn starch or other anti-caking agents in it that might affect how it integrates. You could try running some granulated sugar through a coffee grinder to get something closer to what Fanie was working with.

  • @pinkhope84
    @pinkhope845 ай бұрын

    I use butter and sugar instead of the flour in the cake tins. Gives a nice crust and the cakes comes out perfektly

  • @livesouthernable
    @livesouthernable5 ай бұрын

    Cakes today that use the creaming method start with creaming butter and sugar and adding egg. When you do that, you’re creating a water and fat emulsion that is stabilized with the friction of the machine and the lecithin in the eggs. After that, you add in flour and milk (or other liquid). You start by adding flour FIRST. If you add milk first, you overwhelm the emulsion with too much water, and it breaks. If it curdles a little bit, the flour will fix it, but I don’t know about that amount of curdling. 🤔 I don’t know what Fannie was thinking. The science of that recipe just doesn’t work the way it was written. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Also, the mixture you were making at the end is an Italian meringue. Look up how to make Italian meringue. The sugar wasn’t cooked long enough, leaving too much water in the final meringue. 😊

  • @erinrobertson-brower303
    @erinrobertson-brower3035 ай бұрын

    Ok. So when using historical recipes, some terms and assumptions are different. First, as I have seen another post, never use modern powdered sugar. Modern powdered sugar contains a starch of some sort to help with viscosity in icing. What she means is called Caster or superfine sugar. You dont have to purchase this as you can simply pulse regular sugar in a blender or food processor for a few seconds and get a similar product. When it comes to the oven, you did perfectly. At the time, wood fired stoves were the norm. If no temperature is listed, for the most part, assume a moderate oven (350F). A hot or "quick" oven is around 425F. A cool, "late," or slow oven would be around 275-300F. I hope that this was helpful. Loved the video.

  • @serenabolognesi1642
    @serenabolognesi16425 ай бұрын

    The batter always splits when you add a large amount of liquid, it's not that much of a problem, the butter melts and mixes in the oven anyways! I always make a red wine cake that splits so bad it looks inedible while you're making it, but is actually perfect when you add all the other ingredients and bake it!

  • @mcgoblin2062
    @mcgoblin20625 ай бұрын

    When melting chocolate, instead of heating it directly, use a double boiler. Put a bowl with the chocolate on top of a pan of boiling water. Make sure the bottom of the bowl doesn’t touch water; you’re heating with the steam from the water. This melts the chocolate gently enough to not seize. You could also heat the milk and sugar together until steaming then pour over a bowl of chocolate. Mix to incorporate and you’re done!

  • @MemeMary926
    @MemeMary9265 ай бұрын

    Jamie, you should do it once more, continue with the separation, as ppl have said in the comments, just to see if it turns out. Absolutely love your channel!!

  • @suran396

    @suran396

    5 ай бұрын

    Yes! I want to see it. Let's get a cage fight ....same cake 3 ways. 1) granulated sugar, 2) separated, powdered sugar, 3) buttermilk or spoiled milk instead of regular milk (the the addition of a tsp baking soda in the flour

  • @whall6101
    @whall61015 ай бұрын

    The opposite of a dome is often called a divot.

  • @CesarIvanLunaVelazquez
    @CesarIvanLunaVelazquez5 ай бұрын

    I always learn from my mistakes, now I learn from your videos everything that can go wrong in a recipe. I really appreciate it and we value your effort.

  • @colleenmahony8803
    @colleenmahony88035 ай бұрын

    Ok -- haven't watched the whole thing yet. But wanted to make a fun point: Went to my Irish Nana. Asked her to teach me her Irish soda bread recipe. She teaches me to scrub the table with Clorox. She says, "4 cups of flour," but she pulls out a tea cup that is easily a cup and a half. "Buttermilk until it looks right."

  • @dianacfleming

    @dianacfleming

    5 ай бұрын

    Except that Fanny Farmer is famous for standardising measurements.

  • @dmbalsam

    @dmbalsam

    5 ай бұрын

    I have some of those recipes from my grandparents.

  • @manitobasky

    @manitobasky

    5 ай бұрын

    I had a very similar experience with my Scottish gran, asked for some of her recipes. Made them nothing like hers, so I watched her make them and took notes.

  • @terrylawrence4121
    @terrylawrence41215 ай бұрын

    Just discovered your channel a couple weeks ago. Loving every episode and your terrific commentary.

  • @TheJaniceJoy

    @TheJaniceJoy

    5 ай бұрын

    Same here, it’s like a sugar addiction.

  • @LSodacret

    @LSodacret

    5 ай бұрын

    The best content on YT is right here

  • @pjef1956

    @pjef1956

    5 ай бұрын

    Just make sure if you are eating or drinking, to be careful ... Jamie frequently makes me literally Laugh Out Loud, and if I was having coffee, it would have been a true spit-take !!

  • @KH-tt3wv
    @KH-tt3wv3 ай бұрын

    Jaime, it's really satisfying to watch you work through these recipes. Most of us would struggle with an old recipe like this one, when ingredients and techniques have changed so much over the years. Seeing you problem-solve and re-evaluate and re-do is genuinely impressive, and I know I learn so much more from this process than I do from polished cooking shows where nothing ever goes wrong. You bring a combination of tenacity and humor to the kitchen that feels extremely relatable!

  • @TimeLapsePlants
    @TimeLapsePlants5 ай бұрын

    As many people said below.. its ok if the batter looks curdled. sometimes recipes even say this will happen and not to worry. I also doubt the sour milk was an issue, many recipes use buttermilk or sourcream which is not very different from sour milk, chemically speaking. I think you could have whipped the cream more to get stiffer, spreadable peaks. keep up the good work, you are learning a lot and making progress.

  • @MrFredstt
    @MrFredstt5 ай бұрын

    Personally I love that you keep your mistakes. I feel like often times people watch cooking channels, see everything go perfect in the video, then think that person just must be perfect

  • @garputhefork
    @garputhefork5 ай бұрын

    This sounds like a good one for Glen and Friends. :)

  • @louiselage7740
    @louiselage77405 ай бұрын

    Well....that was a magnificent looking cake in the end! I used the FF cookbook for years, but will confess, never trying them all. I never had any issues, but then again, I never ventured far from the familiar. Great job Jamie in deciding to use castor sugar instead of icing sugar. I had my own issues with making my own icing sugar yesterday when I ran out...Grind castor sugar in your bullet, they said, it will be fine, they said....well, I ground, and ground....the icing still came out gritty, which was a shame because it was for v. expensive Christmas cakes (fruits/nuts are all soaked in Portuguese sherry and Grand Marnier!) All tastes delish (made with Grand Marnier and vanilla), but I am not happy giving them away as gifts if the icing is even a little gritty!! Jamie, you are learning to use your methods and intuition acquired over time...! I think that is what Jules, Paula, Nigella, and Jacques all attest to when cooking...make it once using the recipe, then modify as needed to make it your own. Of course this won't be entirely possible with all baking, but I have substituted and modified for decades and things always turn out....! (she says as she sits with 3 Christmas cakes with gritty icing.....LOL!)~ Cheers for the giggles....

  • @OurStoryAlbany
    @OurStoryAlbany5 ай бұрын

    1900's layer cake pans are only 1 inch deep ( I have 2 in my collection of antique cooking equipment) so divided in two pans will bake in 15 minutes moderate oven. Then there would be a little white mountain cream poured between layers and rest over the top...actually the accident with sour milk was "authentic' other chocolate cake receipts of the day use sour milk. The use of powdered sugar offsets the higher gluten of bread flour...making a modern cake flour out of the most common flour found in 1896 kitchens (bread)...technique we can use today. Thank You Jamie for not assuming it was a typo for powdered sugar....cake would have been very soft crumb compared to the pound cake texture common to all but sponge cakes.

  • @zaphodbeeblebrox6627
    @zaphodbeeblebrox66275 ай бұрын

    I’m wondering whether the problem is the fat content of the milk. Way back in Fanny’s day the only milk that was available is what today we call ‘Whole’ milk. If you were using skimmed or 2% milk it may be like adding water to the batter/ cake mix.

  • @jolfi11
    @jolfi115 ай бұрын

    It would be so much fun to see you and Dylan Hollis in a video together. He could probably help you out with the understanding of very old cookbooks too ❤

  • @amyparkermartin6474
    @amyparkermartin64743 ай бұрын

    My 4 year old has decided that he is going to be on an "episode of this show" and it's going to be called "Jamie and Jamie" (it's his name too). ☺️ He says he is going to follow your directions and be a chef too. I think he might just be your biggest fan! 🧑🏽‍🍳 He did note that if a bowl drops from the sky to him, it WILL drop on the floor. LOL Oh, to have the dreams of a child! Maybe if you have guests on your videos in the future, he can make an appearance one day!

  • @Jude74
    @Jude74Ай бұрын

    Typos happen. A friend of mine’s mom made a recipe out of Vincent Price’s cookbook and the recipe failed because of a typo. She figured out what he meant and remade the cake correctly. She wrote him a letter and sent pictures of both cakes. He actually sent her a handwritten reply thanking her for letting him know.

  • @sherryheim5504
    @sherryheim55045 ай бұрын

    I tried to see your sugar syrup but could not tell if it was actually threading. Thread means that little streams come off the fork and sort of set in the air like threads. If that didn't happen, that might be why your icing was a little runny. It looked delicious at any rate and I was glad to hear that it tasted great.

  • @undertasty
    @undertasty5 ай бұрын

    The chocolate isn't co-operating because you put it straight onto heat. That is something you NEVER do with chocolate. Ideally you should always melt chocolate in a bowl over hot (NOT boiling) water, and be careful that no steam gets into it. If you are using the chocolate for a cake or samething, then the second method of warming up liquid and melting the chocolate into that is ok, as long as you don't let it get too hot. The taste and texture of dark chocolate drops if you let it get hotter than 50-55 degrees celcius / 120-130 degrees farenheit, and milk and white chocolate around 40-45 degrees celcius / 105-115 degrees farenheit.

  • @nikkihayes9236
    @nikkihayes92365 ай бұрын

    JAMIE, OMG! I swear @2:24 it looked like you spooned out some Flour and just sprinkled it on the Baking Pan beneath the Layer Pans!😂😂😂💖

  • @AvaByNight
    @AvaByNight5 ай бұрын

    15:00 I LOVE your scepticism there lol "did that really just work? is it really fine?" xD

  • @caramcculley4640
    @caramcculley46405 ай бұрын

    You were killing me, starting over and over when your cake batter was just perfectly fine. If you had continued to just add the flour and milk to the batter, it would have come out fine. That's what cake batter looks like before it's fully mixed.

  • @andrew_ray

    @andrew_ray

    5 ай бұрын

    The first two batches with the spoilt milk might not have been fine, but the third one.

  • @Thermoskan1
    @Thermoskan15 ай бұрын

    When it splits: just do au bain marie and whisk it up. Need to reactivate the proteins :)

  • @RPHelpingHand
    @RPHelpingHand5 ай бұрын

    Awesome! My favorite part of this show is back. Bring the pain! 😊

  • @bellosardo84
    @bellosardo845 ай бұрын

    You need to tap the pan upside down to remove the excess flour, otherwise you'll have uncooked flour around the bottom of your cake.

  • @joysgirl
    @joysgirl5 ай бұрын

    Looks great! I have a 1980 edition of Fannie Farmer's cookbook and it looks like they abandoned the Chocolate Nougat Cake recipe, but kept the White Mountain Cream recipe.

  • @joananderson7976
    @joananderson79765 ай бұрын

    I just love you. You always make my day!

  • @anthonydolio8118
    @anthonydolio81184 ай бұрын

    It's always a lot of fun. Thanks.

  • @tjhanlonjr
    @tjhanlonjr5 ай бұрын

    I totally love all these series great job I look forward to it.

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado34305 ай бұрын

    Love your content man!😊😊😊❤❤❤

  • @jasmia6146
    @jasmia61465 ай бұрын

    The music in this episode- on point!

  • @indiaandrews6996
    @indiaandrews69965 ай бұрын

    Watching you while having a margarita and a taco makes me want to go home and have some cheesecake from my refrigerator. 😋

  • @annsidbrant7616
    @annsidbrant76165 ай бұрын

    I love seeing you baking cakes, particularly chocolate cakes! Thank you for entertaining us!

  • @roseflores1386
    @roseflores13865 ай бұрын

    So glad it worked out..😊

  • @nhennessy6434
    @nhennessy643429 күн бұрын

    Really good job. Well executed.

  • @sandmantoxicman2646
    @sandmantoxicman26465 ай бұрын

    not first but almost, love you man, keep on doing what you love

  • @heathermj3620
    @heathermj36205 ай бұрын

    EVERYTIME I watch you I have the best laughs! Thank you for your humor and baking ❤

  • @thunderhead180
    @thunderhead1805 ай бұрын

    I love this channel. I love this channel.

  • @julie6092
    @julie60923 ай бұрын

    Chocolate cake and boiled frosting is my *all time favourite!!!* It's a regular thing on the east coast ☺️

  • @camoang614
    @camoang6145 ай бұрын

    I love your videos so much. Thank you for sharing your frustrations, cooking and baking can be so stupidily challenging and we've all been there!

  • @wingsabre
    @wingsabre5 ай бұрын

    When you add powdered sugar to butter and you’re creaming the two, you are essentially making American butter cream frosting. This can split if the butter is too cold or not whipped enough. So I would whip the butter longer until it’s soft and smooth. Then add the powder sugar and whip it slowly. Then add the eggs/ milk and then flour. Sour milk sucks but it’s still useful. You might get better leveling with some baking soda as you basically had a buttermilk cake at first.

  • @caitlinphillips1821
    @caitlinphillips18215 ай бұрын

    Even at an hour , I have never been so early! How exciting . Love Fanny Farmer!

  • @rosannarackley8623
    @rosannarackley86235 ай бұрын

    You need Ann Reardon - a Jamie and Ann collab would be amazing.

  • @johnboyd7158
    @johnboyd71585 ай бұрын

    Back in the 1950’s and 60’s there was a chocolate shop named Fanny Farmer. Finally understand the name. Good Job, Jamie.

  • @LPdedicated
    @LPdedicated5 ай бұрын

    It's always a good day when AC uploads! :)

  • @jabbaa6500
    @jabbaa65005 ай бұрын

    Great show! Recipes tell you to alternate the flour with the wet ingredients to prevent the separating, always ending with the flour. Also, your syrup was not reduced enough, when lifting the fork out you would see threads drizzling down off off the fork. You'd did great!

  • @onemercilessming1342
    @onemercilessming13425 ай бұрын

    My mother had a cookbook that had a recipe for a cake that was a joke. It had to have been a joke. I tried everything I knew. I bought all new, fresh ingredients. I called family, friends, and neighbors for help. (1968; I was 18; no Internet.) That bloody cake just wouldn't rise and it tasted like sawdust. No lie; no joke. I just gave up on it. Sometimes, it's just a bad recipe or a typo from the printer, or just the Kitchen Witch. Northern Europeans had the custom of placating her. My English grandmother used to put out on the back porch outside her kitchen each evening a small saucer of milk for her. Each morning, it was gone. I believed it was the farm cats who imbibed, but she hushed me, kept her tradition, and made wonderful food without mishap.

  • @akastardust
    @akastardust5 ай бұрын

    I love watching your videos. You're very skilled in the kitchen and also like a child left to their own devices. And that's what makes all of this work. So entertaining! 😃

  • @paperponies8034
    @paperponies80345 ай бұрын

    Ahh! I’m so happy to see the return of Fannie Farmer! Great video Jamie :) I agree, I think Fannie would definitely use & LOVE the Silver Fox.

  • @connier1722
    @connier17225 ай бұрын

    That nougat topping looks great!

  • @Jacob-ly8vs
    @Jacob-ly8vs5 ай бұрын

    Man, Jamie. You worked so hard for this!! I'm proud of your resilience!

  • @Sunny_boy17
    @Sunny_boy175 ай бұрын

    Would love a collaboration of taking with history and anti-chef!!!! Yall would kill it with historical recipes

  • @tgriffin8179
    @tgriffin81795 ай бұрын

    Perseverance, Anti-Chef Jamie is thy name…fun ride for us… hope it was rewarding for you in the end.😊 Keep’em coming!! PS toast the nuts …had to add the small bit of culinary kibitzing.

  • @gardengatesopen

    @gardengatesopen

    5 ай бұрын

    Ohhhh yeah... toasted... !

  • @gigi3242
    @gigi32425 ай бұрын

    I have my great grandmother's cookbook, there are so many things in it that we either no longer use, or are very different. Good thing you know how to adapt!

  • @kimyoonmisurnamefirst7061
    @kimyoonmisurnamefirst70615 ай бұрын

    The chocolate granulating like that is usually a symptom of the heat being too high. I would use a double boiler, as one should with truffles, etc. If it's happened to you multiple times, then a double boiler should save you. Just be very, very careful to not get any water into it otherwise it'll seize and you'll be crying trying to fix it.

  • @electronblue8334
    @electronblue83345 ай бұрын

    I held my breath a little bit when (following Fanny's advice) you went to get the cake out of the pan almost immediately. In my experience, it's way easier to get the cake out once it's cooled down a bit. (This may have been the problem in the clip you showed where the cake stuck to the bottom of the pan). As others have mentioned, I wouldn't use flour after greasing the pan, it may help with the separation but it may also leave a bitter taste (like literally "bitter"). I would simply use butter and let the cake cool down considerably before getting it out of the pan.

  • @DraconZa
    @DraconZa5 ай бұрын

    Well done 🎉❤

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