"We can't have a control group to determine if the treatment works because we know the treatment works" (so it wouldn't be fair to the control group). smh, as they say.

Een lijst met de titels van deze onderzoeken of een link daarnaar zou wel fijn zijn.

@pietpuk5380

6 ай бұрын

Als je naar Google Scholar gaat en je typt in de naam/namen van auteurs, gegevens in die ze in de docu noemen en eventueel wat geschikte zoektermen, kom je waarschijnlijk een heel eind. En het jaartal als ze dat in de video zeggen.

@aristotlespupil136

6 ай бұрын

@@pietpuk5380 I know, lukt me ook wel. Het is alleen zo onnodig. Als je een book review doet noem je ook braaf titel en auteur.

@ZEMBLA_BNNVARA

5 ай бұрын

www.bnnvara.nl/zembla/artikelen/tijdlijn-puberteitsremmers

@aristotlespupil136

5 ай бұрын

@@ZEMBLA_BNNVARA dank, nuttig!

06:00 it's not true that the effects of puberty blockers are reversible. It might be true that when you stop these drugs, your body goes back to its normal functioning (although this probably doesn't apply to everyone, some may have lastig effects on these systems from these drugs), but growth and development is limited to a certain age period. We all stop growing at some point, girls usually at a younger age than boys, but boys eventually also stop growing. Then there's the cognitive development that isn't really measured and isn't visible from the outside. When you interfere with puberty either by drugs or because a child is severely/long term ill, they can't always fully catch up to the stunted development. If puberty usually lasts between, say, age 11-16 for girls, when you block that for the first 2 years, if she then stops the blockers at age 13, she only has 3 years left to go through puberty because the time at which the body will be done with puberty is probably not pushed back by the blockers. The time period for puberty isn't pushed back, which is what the doctors suggest, it's shortened. How can a child have a normal, healthy puberty in 3 years when it would have taken 5 years had she not been given drugs? Explain this to me.

@exdetransitioner

3 ай бұрын

The puberty is probably being postponed according to available evidence. Still, more research is done on that topic.

@Google-Username

2 ай бұрын

They believe it has no lasting effects because of the flawed research and in academics there is no room for discussion if there is research that "proves" the contrary, but that's not really the case. They just kept it on the low, for the woke. Imagine if they say "no more treatments on children" and you'd have a riot.

18:15 - 19:34 There is a logical inconsistency here 🤔 : You can only know if treatment is ethical for the new cohort, if you know that it works for the new cohort. In the documentary: We dón't know whether our treatment-protocol is good for the new cohort of patients. Still we dó continue with our treatment-protocol for this new cohort, because we dó know it would nót be ethical nót to continue.

@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs

6 ай бұрын

... The Fins, the Swedes and the British have access to the same data. Yet the Fins and the Swedes decided to stop. The British ordered an external review by doctor Hillary Cass.

If there again aren't control groups in the new study it will have the same deficiencies as the original 2014 study. Again no comparison can then be made with doing nothing, or giving psychotherapy only. 18:59 The 2021 application for new research into the new cohort of patients. 31:42 "We don't know what would happen if we did nothing, ór if we only provided psychological counseling, ór if we provided only medical treatment". Mikaél Landen, professor of psychiatry, Göteborg. 34:37 "But you don't know how things would be, if they hadn't used puberty blockers" Sabine Hannema, endocrinologist of the Amsterdam hospital.

Wel goed van Zembla om dit realistisch uit te zoeken👍

29:00 It's unethical to enrol someone with cancer or other severe/life-limiting illness into a clinical trial where the control group receives a placebo IF there is already an (somewhat) effective and approved treatment. In that case the effective treatment should be the control group and the new treatment that they are developing should be what the other half of the patients receive. But we are talking about people with emotional/mental health issues. If they do not get drug treatment to transition, they will physically still be healthy at any point in the future. Of course a control group shouldn't receive nothing in the case of severe mental illness, but if they are giving drugs and therapy to the experimental group, they should have a control group that gets only therapy. Then you can study the effects of the drugs.

@tnomi1965

5 ай бұрын

It would still be unethical if the control group were not informed that they are given the placebo. And if you inform them that, then it is different from a double-blind procedure. So my question is, which patients would volunteer to be in the control group?

“We need to recognise the distinction between Gender Ideology & the rights of an individual to present themselves as they wish & assert a sex-related identity of their choice - the latter being a right that should not and is not denied to anyone.” “Gender ideology as demanded by trans rights activism is based on forcing the right to self-identification, the idea that humans have an internal & invisible ‘sexed soul’ a ‘feeling’ or ‘idea’ and that it is this not our biology and physiology, that determines if we are man or a woman. In practice this simply means taking a persons word for it, a full grown man with all physical attributes of his male body needs nothing other than to say that he is a woman, reality be damned, and he is as much a women as any adult human female.” “ But for this to happen you have to change everyone’s rights and because some of our rights are sex-based, like the right to single-sex accommodation and sports. If you rearrange the world so that everything is done according to what people say they are, you take away the rights from the people who want it done according to their sexed bodies rights that exist and are protected in law. “ “The burden of reordering society to the demands of trans activism and gender ideology lands solely on women and girls, they lose everything, because the irreducible distinctions of biology, physiology, and reproduction between males and females remain, this reality we is not altered.” “Self identification does nothing to address the situations where males have an advantage from these irreducible distinctions between male and female bodies and where these differences can be exploited. It’s why existing boundaries and protections are in place, to protect women and girls and to allow them to participate fully in society - not simply as gender ideology argues to be ‘transphobic’. “ “Gender ideology, trans activism and self ID is the demand for women to hand over their rights to exclude males in the circumstances where it is necessary to do so; Those circumstances are when women and girls are naked, or sleeping, or where women are unable to move away, as in prison. In sports, where the physical differences are just irreducible. Ensuring women and girls are protected, ensuring they have the same liberties in life as men and boys and can participate fully in society on an equal footing, this is not bigoted.” “If women hand these existing rights away, if sex differences are denied women are left with nothing, not even the right to safety. Who benefits and who loses when women and girls are left with no control or say to when and where males can access their bodies? Who benefits when women are forced to compete in sports against physically advantaged male bodies? Who benefits when the sex differences of males and females is not even recognised in law? Cases of rape, sexual assault and abuse already have shockingly low conviction rates, do we agree it’s fine to put a man who rapes and murders his wife in a women’s prison?” “Transgender ideology and trans activism shows itself to be what it professes to detest and oppose; it is a quest to grasp and utilise social power. All within the society must therefore be made to comply with the assertions of the approved identity group and its demand for validation. It is a conception of freedom for the favoured category of persons that requires the imposition of a specific set of social conditions on everyone else.” “Gender ideology, the same ideology Stonewall UK pushes demands the removal of sex based differences in law in the UK to allow trans people to live in ‘dignity’. What it doesn’t make clear is that this requires removing that same right to live dignity, safety and freedom from half the population - girls and women, it is a pathological expression of hate against women and the female body.”

Also left out of this documentary: 69/70 of the original kids were same sex attracted 2 died not 1 (1 by suicide) They switched the surveys to falsify the results. So males were asked the female questions and vice versa. By definition if you have gender dysphoria and take a survey for the sex you identify with you will demonstrate "lower gender dysphoria" because that's the sex you want to identify with and females can't feel dysphoria about erections and males can't feel dysphoria about menstruation.

@maanvis81

6 ай бұрын

thx for sharing this, I did not know this (about the 1 suicide)

@robertmarshall2502

6 ай бұрын

@@maanvis81 If you're interested in more detail then I'd look up SEGM or Michael Biggs or Stephen Levine about this

@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs

6 ай бұрын

Do you mean with "69/70" That 69 out of 70 of the patients were same sex attracted? To me that seems to be a quite stunning statistic. Is it possible for you to provide the source of that statistic?

@robertmarshall2502

6 ай бұрын

@@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs The source is literally De Vries and Steensma. And yes it is utterly astounding and should have been made more of. They essentially buried it however along with other evidence such as deaths so if you look for Michael Biggs The Dutch protocol for Juvenile transsexuals origins and evidence then you'll find it more easily. But the footnote is literally De Vries and Steensma Puberty suppression in adolescents with gender disorder a prospective follow up study. If you look for that however, at least for me, you don't get half of the details. To be clear 62 were homosexual and 7 were bisexual. 1 was heterosexual.

@deeznutz8320

6 ай бұрын

​@@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bsCant post links here go look it up or is Google to much of a hassle?

Good to see there are still real journalist, much Respect.

@deeznutz8320

6 ай бұрын

Lmao

Ik ben erg blij dat ik eindelijk in een transgendertraject zit. Verder heb ik ook een mening over de jeugdbehandelingen, maar daarmee maak ik me niet populair binnen mijn "eigen" gemeenschap.

@loopson6807

6 ай бұрын

Je statement staat haaks tegenover het standpunt van de docu. Wat maakt dat je mee doet als de kans groot is dat het je niet gaat helpen? :)

@walte556

4 ай бұрын

"Eigen" gemeenschap. Jezus man nederland is je gemeenschap. En wat voor trans je bent. Mensen zien het, weten het, en meeste blijven het fcked up vinden. Zolang je geen biologie leraar ofzo wordt die mijn kinderen lastig valt op school, moet je vooral doen wat je denkt dat goed is. Ben blij dat ik blij ben met mezelf

It's not that the Dutch protocol has been adopted in other countries. They only do the puberty suppression but usually NOT the intensive/weekly therapy. They just give you the really harmful drugs and I guess you have to figure to rest out yourself. As I understand, the Dutch protocol should include frequent therapy during that period that puberty blockers are being used. But even so, medical transition isn't evidence-base medicine. It's a crime against humanity to do this to minors/vulnerable/mentally-ill people.

@MazeCoolGamer

6 ай бұрын

The point is that the Dutch Protocol was never really tested, and now this method is used all over the world. The doctors just assumed that it would work, and never really did a scientific study. So there is no scientific basis for transgender care.

@Ben-cl2co

6 ай бұрын

Back then perhaps. Now we have data since the 80's and its by far the best way for treatment. Less than 1% of so called regret cases.@@MazeCoolGamer

@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs

5 ай бұрын

​@@Ben-cl2coWhat is your source for this statistic?

Thanks!

❤

Thanks for making the English version available!

18:15 - 19:34 It strikes me that the clinic again wants to check its own homework. Perhaps it is a good idea that, for example, some external, independent, neutral scientists are approached to partner and contribute to the setup and the research? Especially now that there are doubts about the protocol from England, Sweden and Finland.

@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs

6 ай бұрын

... Moreover there are doubts about the scientific quality and setup of the original 2014 study, as is detailed in this documentary.

@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs

6 ай бұрын

... In the UK, an independent review is going on by doctor Hillary Cass. (Hilary Dawn Cass OBE is a British medical doctor and a consultant in paediatric disability at St Thomas' Hospital, London. She was the President of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health from 2012 to 2015.) (Wikipedia)

@rachelwindsor850

20 күн бұрын

@@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs Cass famously ignored the overwhelming majority of studies for her "research". Her "review" is pseudo-scientific bunk.

Krankzinnige onzin diit.

@jimmysnowmanthe7003

3 ай бұрын

Probeer een beetje psychologische onderzoeken te lezen. Dat maakt het misschien niet minder vreemd, maar kun je het misschien wel meer begrijpen. 9 miljard mensen op de planeet. We kunnen niet allemaal hetzelfde zijn. Dat zou pas krankzinnig zijn.

If the Dutch protocol requires childhood onset gender dysphoria and not adolescence onset gender dysphoria, why was this protocol implemented?

@deeznutz8320

6 ай бұрын

To make sure kids become sterile and depressed

@pieterhilvering

Ай бұрын

I think the huge increase in gender-dysphoria 10 years ago overwhelmed the services, and many children were fast -tracked into existing treatment programs, although they did not meat the original treatment-criteria, definitely in the Tavistock, maybe not so in Amsterdam, at least that is what they claim.. I am not sure if it is a medical scandal; the clinicians were acting in good faith, and believed in the treatment they were offering, but with hindsight got it probably wrong.Interestingly that happened everywhere, in the best scientific institutions, as the Tavistock and the Karolinska Institute..The key-question is; why did they all implement a protocol which involves irreversible, very invasive interventions in minors, based on one small study with a design that could never prove the effectiveness of the protocol?? there must have been fertile ground, a priori enthusiasm, for that protocol for some reason.

wel bijzonder dat dit item weinig views heeft. Waarschijnlijk wordt het door youtube minder getoond.

I created English subtitles for a documentary on transgender care produced by Swedish public service, featuring Mikael Landén, Helen Joyce, transgender care providers, and some detransitioners. It's on my channel.

Waarom onderzoeken we niet wat de link tussen autisme en genderdysforie kan zijn, in plaats van aan te nemen dat dat autisme het onaannemelijk maakt dat iemand echt transgender is?

@ZEMBLA_BNNVARA

21 күн бұрын

Er wordt niet gezegd dat autisme het onaannemelijk maakt dat iemand echt transgender is. Het maakt de diagnose soms ingewikkelder.

Hier zie ik naar mijn mening hoe uit de hand die woke beweging is gelopen, als je al niet meer wetenschappelijke onderzoeken kunt doen zonder er kritiek op te krijgen als ''transfoob'' en dat soort dingen. Iemand die niet een interview wilt doen vanwege de gevoeligheid van het onderwerp etc. Men moet er gewoon over kunnen praten, anders kunnen we net zo goed stoppen met wetenschap.

@rachelwindsor850

20 күн бұрын

Het probleem is niet dat mensen er geen onderzoek naar mogen doen, maar het is dat de anti-transgender beweging trans zijn in z'n geheel willen verbieden. Dat is geen hyperbool, dat is vrij letterlijk wat veel van de prominente anti-trans activisten (Posie Parker, Matt Walsh, JK Rowling, Helen Joyce) beweren in hun retoriek. Trans mensen zijn over het algemeen juist heel erg pro wetenschap en willen dat er bijvoorbeeld onderzoek gedaan wordt naar de mogelijkheden voor baarmoeder transplantatie, maar daar vechten die eerdergenoemde anti-trans activisten juist tegen. Zodra je wetenschap gebruikt als middel om een minderheid te bevechten heeft dat niks met intellectuele verruiming te doen, maar dan promoot je eugenetica.

I find it interesting when the Dutch set forth a protocol that stipulates that the gender dysphoria needs to have an early onset and then all the other countries keep accepting patients that do not meet that criteria and are then surprised that they aren't getting similar results. I do have a hypothesis why many hospitals are seeing both an increase in applicants and a decrease in successful treatment. I grew up on the internet and I have been exposed to a lot of information, a lot of different opinions and ideas and this has affected me greatly in the way I see myself. For most of my life I felt really alienated from myself, the people around me and society as a whole but I did find recognition, respect and love in online communities of similarly minded people. It took until my late 30's for me to see professional help from a psychology and it took years of work for my feelings and thoughts of myself to change in a way they where in sync and led to a positive outlook. Gender never really came up in this discussion but it was something I did look into as I found many people with similar symptoms in the LGBTQ+ community and to this day many of my close friends are in this group. Including a good friend that absolutely benefited from gender care. I feel that the LGBTQ+ group has become a community of people that have no community in their own local area. They don't receive the recognition, love and respect that we all need to happy then they find this in the LGBTQ+ group. It is actually really amazing the LGBTQ+ group is probably one of the most diverse yet most united group possibly in the world and it's growing rapidly. This cause real world issues and there are things we have to recognize: 1) Why is this happening in the first place? Why do so many people feel completely alienated in the family, friend, school, culture or religious groups they grew up in. 2) Why do many of these people end up using or needing mental health care or gender care? I have my own opinions on the matter. Society has changed with the broad adaptation of the internet, it doesn't matter what you believe or what you feel you can easily find others with similar ideas and emotions. This is a dual edge sword. If you end up in a good, helpful and supportive group this can be life changing if not live saving as it has for me and many of my friends. It can also increase the level of alienation and push people in an even more disconnected bubble or safe-space with no way out. If you're desperate for recognition, respect and love and you end up finding it in a group that very extremist ideas then that is what you will do. That is kinda true for all of history as far as I can tell. People become part of really unhealthy groups because that group provides them with the basic necessity of validation. This has become so easy in the internet age and people know this, extremist groups actively recruit such individuals. The solution, in my opinion, is to start teaching a foundation of psychological selfcare to everyone. It took me years of therapy to deal with the trauma my lack of good self care tools and I know that these tools can be thought to everyone and that it would benefit them greatly. Right now we lack a generally accepted method of discussing emotions and the thoughts that come with it and while this worked okay in the past it has become a major problem in our current day world where we are exposed to ideas and emotions from all over the world. I personally think that teaching a foundation in schema therapy in school would a hugely positive effect on the mental health of the students and later as adults. I also thing we should do something similar when it comes to critical thinking and rationalization skills. Half the reason so many of our discussions about very important and emotional loaded topics go poorly is due us not teaching debate in school. I think this should be a core subject regardless of the level of education. In a world where more and more is automated and many complex tasks might very soon be done by AI we will have to find a place in society and I think the only way we can do this is by giving people to the tools to put their thoughts and their emotions into words in a constructive way.

@gabbermaikel

6 ай бұрын

very wel said. But over here they decided the way to fix this is to teach kids in prettymuch kindergarden about gender and sex... But the point of the original protocol as you stated was that the kids should be showing signs of gender dysphoria at an early age. Wich most of the now threated people didnt. They tought how can we fix that? Wel lets tell them more about it and make more kids confused about it. Loads of kids feel like they arent part of the "normal" people. And if they then get told maybe you have gender dysphoria they might think they do because they feel like they are not normal. And im not saying you shouldnt be talking to kids about that kind of feelings. But i dont think the way to do it is to teach kids at a very young age that they might have gender dysphoria. Dont push them in that direction if there are no signs. If there are some signs then it better to let that kid talk to a proffesional about it then some teacher that just follows a guide but dosnt know anything about it.

@Widdekuu91

6 ай бұрын

Nobody said you should teach them they might not be a boy or girl. But you could mention it to them. It seems stupid to let them 'figure out what is wrong' on their own, until they hear about it at 12 and finally realise what's up. @@gabbermaikel

@westcoastblue

6 ай бұрын

But the Dutch didn't actually check their outcomes...1 year later, when regret times are more like 5-10 years...they're just starting to look at how they are doing beyond the "honeymoon period" now, with a few recent papers. It doesn't look like even these young people are all thriving, although they had to be doing well etc to even get treatment.

@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs

6 ай бұрын

I think I disagree with you about the unity in the LGBTQ+ community: You write: "It is actually really amazing that the LGBTQ+ group is probably one of the most diverse yet most united group in the world and it's growing rapidly." However, in the UK, people from the traditional LGB movement have founded the LGB alliance in 2019, because they perceived a conflict of interest between LGB on the one hand and TQ+ on the other. My impression is that in parts of the LGB community there is a fear that "Sex Reassignment Surgery" (SRS) is "transing the gay away". Through that lens, SRS for young people could be interpreted as an extreme and invasive form of "conversion therapy" for young people who would have developed into happy gays, lesbians and bisexuals, provided that no surgical interventions had been applied to them early in their life. On the other hand, I do agree with you, that the internet plays a role in all of this. My hypothesis is that it is responsible for the enormous increase in gender dysphoria in young people in the last one and a half decades.

@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs

6 ай бұрын

Elsewhere in the comments under this video, I just read that 69 out of 70 of the patients studied in the 2014 paper by Annelou de Vries et al, were same sex attracted. That is a relevant statistic for this discussion. I am going to fact check that for myself, somewhere in the future. This 2014 paper reports on a cohort of 70 adolescents, to whom "Gender Reassignment Surgery" was applied in the Amsterdam clinic, between 2004 and 2011. Participants were assessed pre-treatment (T0, at intake), during treatment (T1, at initiation of Cross Sex Hormones) and after treatment (T2, 1 year after sex reassignment surgery).

We moeten de cultuur verbouwen. Niet lichamen.

We need more transing to save the planet. nice.

Ik denk dat dit thema een spreekend voorbeeld is van de verwarring onder de jongeren.

6:03 100% False

@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs

6 ай бұрын

Yup. At least mostly false. See for example: LGB alliance "Puberty Blockers? Gay Teens Aren't Sick!" I've seen stats that upto 98% of teens that are on puberty blockers, contínue on cross sex hormones. But I must admit, that I do not have the source available now. Anyone, feel free to fact check.

@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs

6 ай бұрын

What is 100% fact, by definition, is that the puberty of the patient is delayed with respect to the puberty of their peers. That could have negative sócial consequences for the patient, because they might feel excluded.

@robertmarshall2502

6 ай бұрын

@@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs Thanks for the recommendation. Have you ever watched the wider lens podcast where they interview the Dutch guys and in another the Finnish woman? I feel like De Vries got caught in a number of lies or at least unscientific thinking in both that interview and this documentary Oh I forgot to add I think it's interesting they went with "gender dysphoria" when the study goes with "gender incongruence"

@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs

6 ай бұрын

Yes, I watched both episodes.

@robertmarshall2502

6 ай бұрын

@@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs I forgot to say BTW that what you said about "late bloomers" is a known concept in child psychology. It has a very real and measurable effect on kids.

Een serieuze vraag : hoe kan n geboren vrouw een aangepast geslachtverandering krijgen? Ok borstamputatie snap ik maar is t mogelijk een penis te krijgen voor deze personen ...( en kan er dan n erectie plaatsvinden)? Ben gewoon nieuwsgierig...❤

@twink276

6 ай бұрын

Dit kan je gewoon googlen.

@dany1441

6 ай бұрын

Het is een soort prothese. Je kan ernaar zoeken online, het ziet er niet uit en het werkt ook niet echt. Het is een tragedie en een farce tegelijkertijd.

@erikvanderlaan1245

6 ай бұрын

The man with a penis on his arm is een interessante docu van de bbc die dit keuring uitleggen

@wendywaltman5229

6 ай бұрын

Natuurlijk niet

@maanvis81

6 ай бұрын

Ze maken een phalloplastiek , zo heet een nep-penis, van een stuk huid dat ze van je arm of dijbeen halen en dan oprollen, en vastnaaien aan je onderlichaam. Je kunt dan niet op een natuurljke manier een erectie krijgen, maar met een implantaat wel. Het is een operatie die heel vaak mis gaat, dus ik raad hem niemand aan.

LiEs from the pit of hell!!

Nederland moet wachten kleine kinderen weten het nog niet

It is honestly quite disturbing how little the documentary goes into the suicide rates of people with gender dysphoria

@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs

6 ай бұрын

First, I say to any distressed person who might be reading this thread: Your life is worthwhile. You are a unique person who can make a unique contribution to your fellow humans and this world, and have your own unique experiences. If you have suicidal thoughts, seek help. Though you now might be in a "valley of suffering", one day you might climb out of it and reach some "mountaintop with beautiful vistas". You don't know which mountain you're going to climb or when you are going to reach the top, but the landscape is there, for you to be explored.

@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs

6 ай бұрын

I cite from the conclusion: "The proportion of individual patients who died by suicide was 0.03%, which is orders of magnitude smaller than the proportion of transgender adolescents who report attempting suicide when surveyed". The total number of patients out of the population studied who committed suicide was 4, over a period of 11 years. Two were on the waiting list. Two were receiving treatment. For the details, I refer you to the source article. I myself have not grasped all details yet. "Suicide by Clinic‑Referred Transgender Adolescents in the United Kingdom", Michael Biggs, Archives of Sexual Behavior (2022). These are recórded data of the patients of the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS), Tavistock, London.

This documentary is honestly a joke.... How can you only talk to two trans people in an hour long documentary about them

@MichaelRoeterdink

Ай бұрын

It's not a documentary about trans people but one about the Dutch protocol.

Nederland is slechte trendsetter

@deeznutz8320

6 ай бұрын

Weimar Duitsland 2.0

we need God

Don,t they realise they are puking on their own creation . And calling the creator itself wrong. That,s a deadly combo .😂

@mansendwish

3 ай бұрын

god isn't real

Ecosystemen zijn massaal aan t uitsterven en dit is waar we aandacht aan besteden?

@twink276

6 ай бұрын

Inderdaad, laten we voetbal eindelijk eens links liggen. Ik bedoel maar: voetbal inside ging al nergens over, maar nu heet het vandaag inside. Dat hele programma gaat nergens over.

@deeznutz8320

6 ай бұрын

​@@twink276Belangrijker dan kinderen steriel maken om de kassa van de farmaceutische industrie te spekken

Pediatrician specialist in hormone treatment that doesn't know it is irreversible...

Only in the Netherlands😢. What were the doctors thinking in the first place.... starting blockers and hormones during puberty? Everyone in his/her right mind knows that young people in that period undergo essential yet formative mental processes. Talk instead of cut away, any healthy pediatrician would say.

hahahahahahaha

Better late than never. Many feminists have been ringing the alarm bells about this medical scandal for 5-10 years.

@Google-Username

2 ай бұрын

Load of bull, feminists were the forerunners for this together with the LGBT. Don't try to run away from responsibiluty.

Some of these doctors that are against it: so are you comparing the effectiveness of the treatment vs the suicide rate of trans people? Because that is what you should be comparing to

@andreaxxx2239

6 ай бұрын

Than also talk about the suicide rate of trans people who regret their transition!

@alteregotje2491

6 ай бұрын

exactly what @andreaxxx2239 says. A lot of people also regret their transition. Sadly there is not enough attention for that and this group is often "spat on" by the LGBTQ community.

@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs

6 ай бұрын

First, I say to any distressed person who might be reading this thread: Your life is worthwhile. You are a unique person who can make a unique contribution to your fellow humans and this world, and have your own unique experiences. If you have suicidal thoughts, seek help. Though you now might be in a "valley of suffering", one day you might climb out of it and reach some "mountaintop with beautiful vistas". You don't know which mountain you're going to climb or when you are going to reach the top, but the landscape is there, for you to explore. That said, thibaultmol, your's is a legitimate question.

@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs

6 ай бұрын

I cite from the conclusion: "The proportion of individual patients who died by suicide was 0.03%, which is orders of magnitude smaller than the proportion of transgender adolescents who report attempting suicide when surveyed". The total number of patients out of the population studied who committed suicide was 4, over a period of 11 years. Two were on the waiting list. Two were receiving treatment. For the details, I refer you to the source article. I myself have not grasped all details yet.

@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs

6 ай бұрын

The article, the conclusion of which I quote from above, is published in the Archiv€s -- of ++ S€xual -- B€havior, in the year 2022. For some reason, my original post with a more precise specification of the reference, has been removed. (I made that OP one comment higherup). These are recórded data of the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS), Tavistock, London. The author is Michael Bi99s. It can be accessed and downloaded for free.

ik denk dat het gewoon in je hoofd zit. met alle respect voor die mensen want ik geloof dat het niet fijn is als je je zo voelt. dus goed dat ze geholpen kunnen worden

"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back." --- Carl Sagan --- "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark" (1995). Chapter "Obsessed with Reality". page 241

Ik vind als je een transgender bent en je laat je verbouwen als je volwassen bent goed. Maar laat kinderen met rust Met al die idioterie op scholen moet gestopt worden Als iemand zich niet goed voelt in zijn lichaam is dat erg genoeg en krijgt van mij alle steun Maar kinderen daarin indoctrineren is heeeeeel slecht Zelfs kinderen vanaf 4 jaar Gekker kan het niet worden!!!!

@twink276

6 ай бұрын

Think about the children! Wat een amerikaans gedoe. Als je kind te snel of te langzaam groeit krijgt hij/zei ook hormonen voorgeschreven. Dat is al meer dan 30 jaar zo.

@LiquidShivaz

6 ай бұрын

Lekker je kids in sky daddy laten geloven,of in racistische sint, jaaaa, neeeee…..daar hebben we het niet over hè?

@thibaultmol

6 ай бұрын

Think about the kids: older children that are actively killing themselves because they can't get proper gender care (I'm not necessarily referendum puberty blockers I'm just referring to counselling and other methods as well)

@alteregotje2491

6 ай бұрын

Kids aren't allowed to drink beer, smoke, vote or drive a car until they are 18, they shouldnt be able to make life changing decisions before adulthood. Maybe there are kids killing themselves if they cant get treatment in time, but there are also those who regret their decision to transition and commit suicide because of that. Until kids are adult I'd say make sure they get good mental healthcare and antidepressants if they are thinking about committing suicide rather than giving them access to potentially irreversable damage. @@thibaultmol

@Google-Username

2 ай бұрын

​@@thibaultmolCan you prove that amount is more then the children negatively impacted by this? Because it is highly unethical that just for the few everyone should suffer too.

Je wordt geboren als jongen of meisje wees daar trots op dat je gezond bent geschapen.

@Google-Username

2 ай бұрын

Voordat je geboren bent (in de baarmoeder) ben je voor een hele lange tijd genderloos. Ik kan wel begrijpen dat daar misschien wat verkeerd kan gaan wat gewoon niet zichtbaar is. Je hebt gelijk hoor, maar ik zie het als een realiteit voor een handje vol personen. Wat er nu gaande is is gewoon een trend en er klopt geen kont meer van.

"Puberty is a human right, and it is a gay right to grow up free from surgery, and in 2023 being gay shouldn't be a medical problem." Dennis Kavanagh, director of "The Gay Men's Network", speaking to Andrew Doyle on GB News, 10 dec 2023.

Haram.

Een kitcar,wat eerst een Pontiac Fierro was en tegenwoordig eruitziet als een Ferrari,kan misschien rijden als een Ferrari,misschien ruiken als een Ferrari of misschien wel zelfs klinken als een Ferrari...maar uiteindelijk zal het nooit een echte Ferrari kunnen zijn en altijd een Pontiac Fierro zijn!

lekker belangrijk

@jamiedodger

moeilijk