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@seebothways9630

2 ай бұрын

When can we see male version of this so much of this type actually fits men in real life. Especially with feminism. In media when something is passed down through the material line it's positive or should be seen as positive but if something is passed down on the y Chromosome it's negative bad . All to appease female audience and voters. Then age the Barbie movie success was a speech saying man problems like always having to have money but not being able to ask for money are uniquely woman problems and blames patriarchy for stuff Feminist fought and now. Find to hard

Elsa's parents advised her to "Conceal, don't feel" her ice abilities, which harmed her more in the long run, and she took those words to heart, even when she's rejecting them during "Let It Go."

@OpticalSorcerer

2 ай бұрын

TBH, I feel like people judged her parents (particularly her dad) too quickly and harshly; NO ONE has been in a magical situation like that, and royals put emphasis on image and being perfect, so they just give her the advice they know.

@iprobablyforgotsomething

2 ай бұрын

Well, that, and they misunderstood the trolls' advice big time.

@natbatlightwood5288

Ай бұрын

Exactly. Like the sad thing is just before the accident Elsa clearl had pretty good control over her powers too. And lets be real the accident was Anna's own fault Elsa clearly told her to slow down a couple of times before she hit her, i get Anna was a kid but damn girl calm the F down, you're clearly stressing your sister out. And then Elsa was the one held solely responsible for what happened. That part of the story always frustrates me. Like you see people who analyse the story and characters who claim Elsa was a bad sister for cutting herself off as if she had a choice in the matter but barely anyone ever talks about how it was technically Anna's fault and while she doesn't remember what happened she is never pulled on it and Elsa is left to shoulder all of the guilt alone. Like i get her parents did what they thought was best, but they legit just reinforced the fear and guilt Elsa was feeling. The Trolls literally said 'fear will be your undoing.' And the parents just reinforced the very thing she was told to be careful of. If i was Elsa i'd have kept the eternal winter thing going until i got a damn apology. 😂😂😂

@OpticalSorcerer

Ай бұрын

@@natbatlightwood5288 Anna can't really be blamed because, as you said, she's a kid (probably around 5-8) with a sister with magic powers. She was still having egocentric thinking, so she couldn't really understand consequences. So it's not anyone's "fault," per se. I do think that Elsa being bitter with Anna over that could've been the origins for evil Elsa, though. And the parents lived in a superstitious kingdom, so they saw magic as mysterious and dangerous. Their only logical thought was to have Elsa ignore it--plus keeping your cool and maintaining an image is kinda royalty 101.

@iprobablyforgotsomething

Ай бұрын

@@natbatlightwood5288 Well, yes and no; like @OpticalSorcerer said, Anna was just a kid, and thinking ahead to consequences isn't their strength. But her lack of heeding her sister's discomfort stems imo not just from her age and/or personality, but her parents consistently failing to properly (gently but firmly) discipline her with regards to listening to others and respecting their boundaries. Kids younger than her can and have been taught how to not stampede all over people like that. I agree that it would've made for a great setup for bitter, resentful "you never listen, Anna!" so-called 'evil' snow queen Elsa, particularly since having the memory removed meant Anna couldn't make amends (and know why she needed to improve her behavior) or let her to forgive Elsa while the two of them work past it. Thus was driven a wedge between them that to Elsa is understandably emotionally-fueled (making Anna's stressing her out the night of her coronation an even bigger no-no) but to Anna appears to have no rhyme or reason. Their coming to understand each other and what actually happened in the past, and how everyone (the girls, their parents, the trolls) played a part but yet it was ultimately not any one person's 'fault' *(though again, imo the largest portion of the blame goes to the parents, for failing to instill some discipline in the easily-excitable Anna and for failing to use their brains with Elsa and the trolls' advice)* that the misunderstanding about what caused the accident and how it should've been handled, warped their lives... that's way more than enough story right there. It didn't need a love subplot. A friendly fellow 'outcast in their own family' visting prince who doesn't want to lose his new friend Anna, and who tried to save her by killing her sister, would've been a just-fine plot-moving secondary story, if we keep Hans. It could've paved the way for a lovestory amongst two people who actually *knew* each other better, if the sequel still wanted to go there while Elsa and Anna grow into their sisterhood and solve a magic mystery.

There's a puritanical aspect of equating a girl's untouchability with virtue and sexual innocence. A noteworthy counterpoint being Rogue herself - when she was initially depicted as a villain, white streaks on the sides of her (short) hair and the way she was drawn, as an older woman, well into adulthood. And her powers were not a curse because she used them against people for her benefit. She was essentially the super-villain equivalent of a succubus. When they decided to make her sympathetic and join the X-Men, she was drawn as younger and the white hair was changed to be more fashionable rather than an indicator of age.

@Jazzisa311

Ай бұрын

And in the animated series at least she was still clearly an adult, and she was very sexy. So in the movies, they made her even younger and more innocent-looking... urgh.

This was a great topic but left out so much. For example the untouchable troupe seems to be commonly an unwanted, neglected, or abandoned child. Next, they seem to always find a chosen family which speaks to their ability to make friends wherever they go.

@debbiemoore2747

2 ай бұрын

We don't always find our found family

@iprobablyforgotsomething

2 ай бұрын

^ This . But also, even if we by chance meet someone(s) who have endless patience and understanding and for some reason really want to be in our corner rooting for us, we don't always find people at the right time in life. Like sometimes other people want to help, but are limited in their time, energy or ability. Or they have a sudden crisis of their own pop up, and that newly-developing friendship and/or found-family support network falls apart. Yet that doesn't happen in stories unless it's due to some misunderstanding or bad guy's manipulations.

On the point of Alisha, it also goes in the hand of the "Jezebel" trope black women go through.

@sparklefairy34

Ай бұрын

I agree! Idk why The Take didn’t mention that when covering Alisha.

the fact that you didn’t mention bo from lost girl is so 😢😢 but i love this trope sooo much!

The "Grimm" episode Heartbreaker also feels worth mentioning here. In it Nick encounters a wesen that appears as a beautiful woman but secretes a lethal poison whenever a sexually aroused man touches her. The women of her family deal with this by deliberately scarring their faces so that no man will want them. The episode stands as a commentary on how beauty can be toxic and how women are expected to be the ones to prevent sexual assault against themselves.

@doctordl7757

2 ай бұрын

Wow this was good, they missed so much the video was too short.

As a young queer Christian teen, I resonated with Rogue's inability to kiss a guy.

I loved Cate in Gen V! Excellent villain Arch!! 😃 RIP Chance Perdomo 😥😭

I stan Alisha & Simon forever.

@RogueVideoRaven

2 ай бұрын

Alisha is my favorite! Glad she was included

@toecutterjones

2 ай бұрын

@@RogueVideoRaven yes! And thank you for the correction on her name spelling.

@bluealchemist3953

Ай бұрын

We need Simon to break the loop!! A special or a movie centered around that, that is I hope for.

I think there's also a bit of commentary buried in this same discussion about women (and just people in general) who are voluntarily alone. Not alone in the sense of having no emotional connections, but just romantically alone. There are people who don't particularly seek out a relationship because they aren't driven to find one, and that's perfectly acceptable. I'd like to note that I feel like it's equally questioned in both men and women, so I don't want to isolate one gender here, but I just feel like it's a related discussion. It's a "forced isolation" in this topic, but along a similar thread is the story that's often untold about those who are alone and happy to be that way instead of miserable.

Not to joke but this trope describes the way many women feel, untouchable.

@seebothways9630

2 ай бұрын

The Untouchable girl fits men more in really especially under feminism.

@purrgundy

2 ай бұрын

Can you explain what you mean, please?​@@seebothways9630

@ledernierutopiste

2 ай бұрын

if you believe women aren't being touched, try being a guy for 1 day, i'd love you to test... Like really you probably choosed the worst example.

@zomgkb

2 ай бұрын

@@ledernierutopisteis this really an oppression competition? Both genders have issues. Assuming the one you aren’t has it easier is so weird when you don’t live that life

@ballistachicken

2 ай бұрын

Ignoring the two who previously commented for a moment, I happen to agree with you. A lot of women feel this way for a myriad of reasons, and it often feels like you can’t win the mental battle of overcoming that. To address the two who did comment before me, someone saying that it applies to women doesn’t mean it can’t also apply to men. It also doesn’t mean “women aren’t touched”. That last one in particular is ridiculous lol and I think you missed the entire point of the dive into the trope if you think it’s as simple as that.

I feel like Chuck from Pushing Daisies should have been mentioned Edit: Now that I’ve watched the full video maybe I was wrong, but she really fits the title

@fernandalbauer

2 ай бұрын

Yassssss!!!! My instant thought on this trope

@marigolden_mariposa

2 ай бұрын

best show ever made ❤ 🌼🐝🥧

@fernandalbauer

2 ай бұрын

@@marigolden_mariposa YES! I miss so much!

@gurengamer9053

2 ай бұрын

Maybe because "Untochable Girl" can't be touched by ANYONE, when Chuck couldn't be touch ONLY by Protagonist. Also other examples from this video are danger for OTHERS, than herself. Chuck would stay alive as long as she wouldn't touch that one person.

@fernandalbauer

2 ай бұрын

@@gurengamer9053 Good point!

How about just calling it like it is and calling what Alisha did rape?

@anna_in_aotearoa3166

2 ай бұрын

Agree, hope the show itself was more straight-up about flagging that! I haven't seen Misfits but must say the fact Alicia's Black boyfriend supposedly couldn't control himself around her power & so she had to hook up with an 'immune' white guy felt very cringey? Felt WAY too close to the constant racist depiction of Black & Brown guys as oversexed animals more dangerous to women than their European counterparts are (even to women of colour). So many other ways they could've played that; wish the show writers had decided to intentionally buck that trope & make Simon anything else than just pale+guy!

@Khadijo-wp3hr

2 ай бұрын

The worst part is, he doesn't even remember the sex. He might as well have been unconscious.

@BioshadowX

2 ай бұрын

@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 it's funny because The Take did the same thing with Allison in the Umbrella Academy, another black woman who uses mind altering powers to try and rape someone she has feelings for, just that time it was her adopted brother. She also presumably did it to her husband too

@icingcake

2 ай бұрын

True

@Nicholenickinicscott

2 ай бұрын

facts, not only did I love the writing for Curtis reaction in the bathroom scene, but loved the hell out of Alisha realizing that what she's been doing was hurting people, especially herself and I think that's what really surprised me the most now thinking about it, cause whenever I see a "women can't do this to men" trope is so bad that to this day I still won't rewatch horrible bosses 1, plus won't watch wedding crashers and I'm grossed out by that crap.

Legion is such a great show. Super underrated.

@doctordl7757

2 ай бұрын

Eh the first two seasons were good then after the third it went downhill.

Kaz on Shadow and Bone is an untouchable boy due to truama he had as a kid. I wish they didn’t cancel that show. I guess my favorite is Elsa. I was her for Halloween twice I was also Wanda for Halloween and I like her but they went to far with her in Doctor Strange

@jessikat_17

Ай бұрын

I think it was too far with not adequate explanation, weather you watched WandVision or not

You should watch/read Undead Unluck. It’s about a story of a woman who, whenever she touched people, she causes something unlucky to happen to them according to how much she loves them. And what the touch meant to her. When she was a kid she hugged her parents before they went on a plane and the plane crashed, killing everyone on it. But right before she is about to kill herself, she meets someone who is Undead. Unable to die. It is the story of their romance and bid to try and be free of their powers. There is literally a side character in the story called Tatiana that has the power called “Untouchable”. She is literally the untouchable girl.

Excellent video! What a fascinating take on a trope I’d never considered 💯💯

omg or theo from haunting of hill house!!! my favorite character everrr!!

@baxtersmom279

2 ай бұрын

I loved her! Katey Segal is awesome.

The untouchable girl trope makes me think about my experience as a relatively closeted queer individual, although in my case it's more about wanting to touch and not being able to due to my shyness and the mostly conservative environment (in regards to the LGBT community, at least) I grew up in. Therefore, it could be said that I became the untouchable girl by proxy.

Does the untouchable girl also relates to purity culture

@ashleightompkins3200

2 ай бұрын

Massively. Girls are surrounded by images of women being sexualised but are told that if they look or act like that, they are bad. They're told to be pure, untouched and save themselves for marriage but also that if they get married, they're to be 'available' to their husbands at all times. Of course, if they feel pleasure at any time, they're bad because their bodies are just for their husbands.

Some historic context to add for Rogue is that she premiered in 1980 and was added to the X-Men's lineup in 1983. I've read arguments that her powerset at the time may have been a metaphor for living through the early years of the AIDS epidemic. And considering just how very queer coded much of Chris Claremont's 17-year-long run as the X-Men franchise's primary writer was, I'm prone to accept it. Her mutant gift draws a straight line between physical intimacy and harm to the people she comes into contact with. She almost always wears costumes that provide condom-like full-body coverage during an era when the GMHC was formed and started promoting safe sex as a method of prevention.

The untouchable women are far older than this. The whole "if you touch her you will be hurt" is far far older then superheroes and in the past was connected with the threat of rape, so the powers defended a women's body. In the legends of saints from from Roman times and the early middle ages there are stories of Pious Christian Women who vowed chastity and this was defended by god/angels, who harms those that touched them. St. Agnes and St. Cecilia are good examples of this trope.

@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722

21 күн бұрын

Won't be surprised if Rogue secretly has some nods of what you said because with the right writting it would be art

2:27 Ok but Sydney basically gets an entire episode to explore her inner world and its absolutely beautiful, I wish you'd talked about her more. (haven't finished the vidoe yet but she's one of my favorite characters)

You have GOT to be kidding me. I literally just finished an 8 episode binge of Legion, which I never knew existed, about ab hour before this was posted. ❤

First 2 season of Misfit untouchable!!! Sooo good!!!

@mariannestrgzr9374

2 ай бұрын

Omg true You know what? I have so much work today but I think I'll rewatch

My favourite is Kahlan from Legend of the Seeker. In that world, Confessors are revered and obeyed for their power to compell people to tell the truth and even completely put them under their influence with a touch. And even though it's revealed that the source of this ability was a dark wizard trying to create an army os slaves, most of the women who are born in this bloodline are good and righteous, using their gift for the pursuit of justice and peace❤

@bonafide4874

2 ай бұрын

I was thinking about Kahlan in regard to this! I would say it's a type of this 'untouchable girl' where they specifically cannot have sex naturally/ normally due to something magical harming others when they try to do this. And damn I didn't know that this was how Confessors were made! Did they cover that in the show? I know there's books but I've only watched the show.

@rochelebierhalspereira7106

2 ай бұрын

@@bonafide4874 great to find another fan of the show 😃🥰. Yes, they find some evil needles and try to recreate the magic from long ago but it keeps going wrong. And did you know you can watch all episodes on this very site? Very underrated show on my opinion. Should get more attention.

I’m sad that Pushing Daisies’ Charlotte Charles didn’t come up. I suppose it’s because she isn’t superpowered, she’s brought back from the dead by her super powered boyfriend, who can resurrect people with a touch. However, a second touch irrevocably returns them to the grave.

@marigolden_mariposa

14 күн бұрын

i will never stop talking about the masterpiece that is Pushing Daisies 🌼🐝

Jean Grey and Rogue are my FAVES ❤

@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722

16 күн бұрын

In the comics Rogue has gone PRIMAL sometimes way before X Men 97

this one feels like a gift as a rogue fan thank you the take team

Thought-provoking video. Appreciate it. 😌

I would love more videos analyzing characters with super powers across different films/ TV series! This was so interesting and extremely enjoyable to watch (I love super hero media/ media that has people with super powers!) I also wonder what the male equivalent would be to this power -- like what is a uniquely male issue that is expressed in film/ TV through a specific super power? Or if there are super powers that are often tied with people of other identities -- i.e. black/ poc characters, gay characters, trans, etc. There's also a character from Extraordinary that is the only male example I've seen of this trope, I think. He has a power similar to the chick from Misfits, except if he touches someone -- or they him -- they get an orgasm from this.

Forgot "Chuck" from Pushing Daisies

As a girl with autism and chronic pain I relate to this a lot…..

Just watching "True Blood" for the first (and last) time and i just can agree on the teaser image. Sookie's character is the best exemple of this trope. Even the writer litteraly make jokes about this.

@2rachaelm

2 ай бұрын

Anna Paquin, who plays Sookie, is Rogue in X-men. That's who's in the thumbnail :)

The untouchable girl is also oftentimes linked to the soulmates trope - for some reason or other this one guy just happens to be immune so protagonist girl is able to be “real” with him *and only him* Sometimes it works but sometimes it’s really forced and cliché 🤷‍♀️

Isn't ability to make some loose control and have sex with you seems like sexual assault itself

I’m surprised Juliette from Shatter Me wasn’t mentioned

Rikki from h2o was like this when her powers got outta control too!

Yea what is it about the misogynistic thinking, that "women can have sex whenever they want"(as an asexual woman, I really don't understand that phrase)basically was it referring to the misconception, that since women get sexualized earlier on(then they know everything about sex), whereas secondly don't tell me, what it means in misogyny's mind, is that it's code for the closest thing, to the concept of consent, Also :sigh: &on the other side, it's a given that the whole, women are taught to withhold sex, was related to finally teaching woman that their consent matters (considering that until at least after the 1970's, any man could get away with attacking women) &maybe because considering that for the last 80 years, the only info people had about women's sexuality, is that they're naturally repulsed by it(when in actuality did they even include women's sexual repression, that in actuality women actually have opinions about sex?)

Surprise that you didn’t mention how this trope works with villains too. One of my favorite depictions of this in a character, is Gabi the frog in Rio 2. Not only does she have the hots for the villain Nigel, but both are sadistically evil, in a very erotic way. Which makes it all the more ironic that she falls for him, but she can’t touch him as she thought she was poisonous. Yet surprisingly, this was what made the film, while not perfect, somewhat hilarious to watch, seeing her do whatever she wants for Nigel just to win his love.

Rogue my favorite X-Men both in the movies and the animated series!

@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722

16 күн бұрын

Would you believe me if I said Rogue sometimes showed an animalistic rage when pushed too far?? Ask Apocalypse in the comics

Rogues daddy had his belly OUT!

Had to bow out as soon as I heard "extra layer of oppression."

“Seemingly can’t control”… sounds a little close to victim blaming

I looooove this trope!!!! I unfortunately is kinda rare😕

@seebothways9630

2 ай бұрын

Noticed when something is passed down on the y Chromosome like turning into a werewolf or saddar or Simpson gene witch is debunked in its own universe it's negative. Plus if lose you own free Will autonomy. And blamed for losing your free Will and called mysonygist for trying to gain automony as in free Will.

Before I even start this - please talk about Sidney from Legion. I hope it happens. Otherwise, a sorely missed example.

@zappernapper

Ай бұрын

Ha! Nm - first example, I love y'all.

This makes me think: Isn't Rapunzel also not an untouchable Girl in some sorts, but in a sort of reversed way? She wasn't allowed to be her true self (her stepmother wanted to keep her hair for herself) and she was locked away from society. I find this a very interesting trope, not only because it's so relatable but also becaues it can be implemented in so many forms of stories, both in fantasy, the occult, science fiction as well as in real life stories.

Can somebody help me wrap my brain around, which woman gets the preferential treatment of "dignity"? Basically how is it that an "undesirable" woman can be looked at as a working equal & the "attractive" woman as influential? But in reality both get undermined and count as objectified (desexualization and oversexualiztion both carry very dehumanizing consequences with them)

@Joshr9501

2 ай бұрын

FU. I wish women would 'dehumanise' me by lusting after me as a sex object. its like billionaires complaining that being rich is too stressful. being privileged does not make you a victim.

Anyone else think of Ninja Scroll as part of this list?

As an HSP and synesthete I can relate to a lot of this. When I was a kid I thought I had superpowers lol.

@SarahAndTheWMB

2 ай бұрын

Although, as per the narrative since the Catholic Church persecuted women, indigenous people and other people that represented evil for them, those stories focus on how those with these special abilities might hurt others, instead of how having special abilities like sensitivity and “feeling too much” is actually more of a risk for the person who has them, and a more of a contribution to society, like the example of the psychologist at the end. That’s because it’s still viewed as a threat, the immense power it represents, and it doesn’t fit into our societal version of power that is more control than actual power. So the witch persecution is alive and well. Anyone who’s been gaslit, oppressed, or controlled in anyway for having such power and being different knows it.

I love ahs coven zoe because she is cool

Super hero women seem to RAERLY have love interests WONDER WOMAN did it great ..and the TV super Girl did and People LIKED it ,

“Ardendale”? Do you ever check on your names and pronunciations?

2:18 Very neurodivergent coded

@seebothways9630

2 ай бұрын

Maybe it's normies who the Re Tarted ones. And I just don't want my comment blocked by the algorithm

Great. Thanks for pointing out that I liked rouge as a kid because of disreability and purity culture 😔

How is this a trope when Rogue is literally the only character who actually is an untouchable girl because she could accidentially kill people by just touching them.

I forgot that the Take believes we live in the HandMaid's Tale here in the U.S.

I’d love it if this channel also covered the double standards of looking attractive/pursuing attractiveness and being told to simultaneously act on it but not act on it that society puts on men.

First!!

I'm a shy Boi so I can't touch anyone 😳

@hotdogwater7801

2 ай бұрын

This physically hurts to read

Let's be honest, the trope wouldn't work on a guy, because it's easy to be a guy that nobody touches.

@hornguy04

2 ай бұрын

Smallville featured a male character that didn’t want to be touched because he would have visions of people’s future deaths upon skin contact.

@LycanVisuals

2 ай бұрын

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@virginiamcdaniel7248

2 ай бұрын

Interestingly enough, one of the forgotten characters that is like this is Ruby Daily from The Darkest Minds. She has powers of mind control via touch and can erase memories and at one point, she meets a guy like her. It winds up developing into a situation in which the guy feels entitled to her, and we find out he's been a villain the whole time.

Who is this narrator?😒

@mariealayne7223

2 ай бұрын

Sounds like AI

The reason something inside them being dangerous Males in position would be more fitting

You're making up tropes at this point...just because four movies had a similar idea it doesn't mean its a trope...

@Pink_pr1ncess

Ай бұрын

It creates content tho 🍿

Neat. Fictional women untouchable trope. Real life for most men.

I strongly suspect you are one of those people should not listen to. you're way too political. presenting opinions as truth. not good.