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@MorrowMoon_thenightwing

Жыл бұрын

Can you make a side b animation tier list? I kinda just want to hear about ridley's side b more

Small correction: Jigglypuff's Pound doesn't have a sourspot. That's a huge part of why the move is so good - it has 16 active frames and maintains the same strength the entire time. She gets better combos off a late hit just because she recovers sooner after it connects.

@MockRockTalk

Жыл бұрын

Fair enough, I did know that it's a consistent hitbox but maybe "late hit" would've been the better term to use there, good catch!

@Simpl3-132

Жыл бұрын

So the late hitbox is good because it hits meaty

@dippin4dots

Жыл бұрын

​@@Simpl3-132and because she is much closer to the opponent that makes it easier for her to get to that riiight spot

@holylarcenist9596

Жыл бұрын

@@Simpl3-132there is no late hitbox I think is what they were getting at

@Simpl3-132

Жыл бұрын

@@holylarcenist9596 I know

Sephiroth from an animation standpoint is just amazing. They really nailed the "composed psycho" attitude with him with everything. Moves like F-smash, Up-smash, and bair are super strong and you can tell he's putting his back into it, but at the same time, he's perfectly in control. He doesn't flail around or lose his balance. He moves his sword from point A to point B and anything between those two points fucking DIES. Down smash though? That's his psycho mode coming out. He let's the persona drop for one second, one "fuck you" blow. It's stupid how violent this move is animation-wise because you can see he's actually putting his back into the move and the results are GLORIOUS

@isaacldi2643

Жыл бұрын

He's just so classy 🥵

@iceheart_115

Жыл бұрын

It gets even better when the wing is out, adds some extra flair on top of it.

@Dan-yp5tk

Жыл бұрын

daddy sepheroth

@omegadreemurr6271

Жыл бұрын

i'm gay for sephiroth

@Xxblade17

Жыл бұрын

Love your take on this

I think it’s really cool that ken and Ryus shield breakers are both overheads in their home games, kinda implying that they’re difficult to block, just like in the games. :)

The reason Byleth down smash see's so much value is a concept in competitive games called mental stack. Mental stack is simple. The brain is a very powerful tool. As a tool, it has the tendency to want to simply as much as it can. The less it has to register information from multiple sources, the faster it can operate. You don't think about driving when you're driving. You don't think about riding a bike when you're riding. Through repetitive action, your brain simplifies these actions into muscle memory so you can focus on other things, like adapting to the harsh landscapes of North American traffic. The more information your brain needs to process, the slower your responses, from which you have to pick the correct option, which can further slow down your response time.

@benross9174

Жыл бұрын

Good explanation! You did a good job explaining Mental Stack in terms everyone can understand, which isn’t always easy

@MrGameguyC

Жыл бұрын

Concentration over taking Auto-Piloting.

@bdt2002gaming

Жыл бұрын

Don’t let this video distract you from the fact that 80% of Brawl’s problems are fixed by disabling the shield/dodge button. Disclaimer: This change will not ban Meta Knight or remove random tripping.

@joshuabrookbank2637

Жыл бұрын

North American traffic is not that bad

@jetpackjay3410

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuabrookbank2637yes it is, any big city is horrible. Southern California, New York, etc

One thing you didn't mention about DK's headbutt is the absolutely criminal range it has. Can't even tell you how often I've seen this move connect when it looked like it had no business connecting.

@stephenrichter8940

Жыл бұрын

More range than f smash baby

@YounesLayachi

Жыл бұрын

And it has super armour in the air and can grab ledge. I'm glad the move is finally decent, but I wish the disjoint was more obvious visually. Invisible hitboxes are bad

Fun fact: Ryu and Ken dthrow are both extremely powerful shield breakers. You'll only see it in 3-player-or-more matches but they'll pop shields instantly

@YounesLayachi

Жыл бұрын

Vs ice climbers is an exception

Byleth down smash is one of my favorite moves in the game. You FEEL the punch of that move every time it hits, and I’d argue that it feels meatier than moves like Warlock Punch

@odstagent1070

Жыл бұрын

I think that's because Ganon just grunts and it's an uncommon way to land a punch irl In the other hand Byleth wents full power on a heavy weapon like in Monster Hunter

@RTU130

Жыл бұрын

Ye

I LOVE Byleth Dsmash. The dopamine shot from landing one or breaking shields with one never gets old

Kazuya having invincible legs on his shield breaker is the most DLC thing I’ve heard in months.

"Criminally underrated" is definitely an apt way to describe Corrins Chainsaw, using it genuinely feels like committing a crime sometimes. Not because it's broken, but because it feels like gaming the system. An automatic frametrap just for charging a different move that outright circumvents a defensive mechanic. To whoever came up with that: Godspeed, my friend.

Forever sad as hell that Dedede FSmash used to be a fantastic shield breaker before getting nerfed.

@MsDarkz123

Жыл бұрын

At least we still have Jet Hammer.

@YounesLayachi

Жыл бұрын

@@MsDarkz123 explain jet hammer's sour spot. Why.

Very surprised to see Ganon Up Smash not mentioned, but the other picks all made more sense. Very fun video, I liked it more than I thought I would!

@MockRockTalk

Жыл бұрын

I considered it, but it's not an _incredible_ pure shield breaker, excels in other areas, and is on a character who has multiple actual shield breakers, so seemed a little against the spirit of the video. Which is admittedly pretty loose and subjective.

@davidlee3565

Жыл бұрын

@@MockRockTalkthen why not like f smash

@personman446

Жыл бұрын

@@davidlee3565 probably the exact same reasons he didn't pick up smash, considering you don't really see either of them break shields often (or really at all, considering with how easy ganon is to bully it's unlikely you'll even have your opponent in a situation where it could happen)

@theclaudfather6436

Жыл бұрын

@@personman446 I’ve broken plenty of shields with Ganondorf’s up tilt.

@personman446

Жыл бұрын

@@theclaudfather6436 yeah, and I've landed aerial reverse warlock punch. that doesn't mean either moves are remotely good at it it doesn't matter what you pull off against your friends who don't play, randos in pools, or the wifi warriors on quickplay. If it doesn't work when your opponent has a brain, then it doesn't really matter

Expected to see Ganon's up smash. This thing hits hard, really big and it can surprisingly be safe on shield if you space it. There is also an advanced technique where you can fall of a platform for even more safety

I have an irrational love for Byleth's down special. I just love how good it feels to cave in my opponent's skull with a move so bad that no even remotely competent player should fall for it.

@YounesLayachi

Жыл бұрын

At least it has super armour in the air, that can be useful...

Excited to see Kazuya as a character in his own slot on this list

@mrbister8714

Жыл бұрын

Oh my god I’ve been commenting on this channel for like ten videos and I finally got a bot after all that grinding. Let’s fucking go, my excitement is unmatched Edit: Aw, bot’s gone. Oh well, fun while it lasted

@kittybaby6242

Жыл бұрын

I have never seen someone excited to have a bot reply lmao

@FuryJack07

Жыл бұрын

​@@kittybaby6242lol

Sora down smash always seemed good imo. He already conditions people to stay in shield cause of his aerials, and down smash being able to pop it is nice

People dont seem to know the terror of jet hammer DEDEDE its really good

Crazy how Kazuya got like 5 shield breakers since he also had bonus shield damage on certain attacks. But I know a slightly charged f smash and down smash with rage breaks a full shield.

Since sephiroth is mentioned to have an incredible shield break punish while the background footage shows him using Gigaflare, I'd like to mention a perhaps lesser known trick to shield break punish even harder than that. Which is that, when spaced right, gigaflare into forward smash is a true combo thanks to the delayed explosion.

@stephenrichter8940

Жыл бұрын

I thought just ftilt is true

@YounesLayachi

Жыл бұрын

And it kills most characters at 0%. Sephiroth is one of the rare wielders of reliable shieldbreak into kill in any % on any character anywhere in any legal stage

@user-jw2it4qf2r

2 ай бұрын

@@stephenrichter8940 Mega late reply but Fsmash is true if it's not last stock or Gigaflare won't kill on its own - the kill zoom on the last stock is what ruins it because it removes all of the hitlag from the final hit

villager has a true full shield break setup with tree growth into axe. Plus the move as a whole provides villager with a lot of ledgetraping and killpower. I get why he isnt here tho villy is kinda irrelevant 😥

@YounesLayachi

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's a bit rare and villager himself is rare but always amazing to see Tree in action

@Squiferz

10 ай бұрын

doesnt it also kill at like 50% or am i thinking of the axe into tree fall

@LLOYDFUNGUIS

10 ай бұрын

@@Squiferz axe -> tree fall is def a much stronger early kill option. tree grow -> axe usually just end up with the sideways axe launch angle which is strong but nowhere near the crazy kill power that is falling tree

Worth noting that DK's Headbonk of Earthly Destruction can also be ledge-grab canceled. That is, canceled by grabbing ledge, so it's a potentially really scary ledge option for DK. It's not the most useful thing in the world when Up Air exists, but a potential early kill.

@TeEPIC_Duck

Жыл бұрын

If you like DK Bonk, look at the max range ;)

@stephenrichter8940

Жыл бұрын

Fastest way to make any diddy main cry. You threw a banana with a buffered f smash? You'll die for that at 50 or 30 if giant punch is charged. Dlc priveledge is a beautiful thing

I play Marth, Byleth, and Corrin. Seeing all three of my mains in this video (and listed first) is so cool! I love landing sweet spots, I love disjoints, I love Fire Emblem, and I love breaking shields. Impressed a lot of good players with the frequency I land shield breaks in tournament.

One thing that gives Headbutt a bit more versatility is that it is ledgegrab cancelable, which can allow it to be much safer, even on block, when used as a defensive tool while getting to the ledge. As for Mac, I would also add that Mac can charge fsmash, but keep the attack that comes out ambiguous to a much greater benefit than most characters, because of the sheer variety of use cases each of his fsmashes have; yes, you might get the shield breaking downward angle, but you could also get the anti air upward angle.

As a Byleth main, the down smash is such a good shield break If you know the shield break confirms, its even better Ive had so many shield breaks with Byleth its so satisfying

14:38 holy shit that sudden noise actually caught me off guard a little bit. that was an actual jumpscare

Kinda surprised that Robin down smash isn't here, but also most of the other moves on the list are better and in terms of Robins kit it's not that good since he's so slow. I do not want to see Roy with that move.

@Zyrianix

Жыл бұрын

It is fantastic in Robin's kit actually! It covers a lot when ledgetrapping which is obviously something Robin does a lot, great 2 frame, anti-air, massive range and lots of shield push so ambiguous on its safety guaranteed shield poke or break if they shield an Arcthunder (which also is a better shield break move on their kit imo)

My favorite Shield breakers are Incineroar’s Revenge boosted specials. Not super reliable by any means, but they’re so funny. Both Darkest Lariat and Cross Chop become very dangerous to shield when boosted by revenge and the best part is that you STILL have Revenge after breaking their shield. Situational, sure, but they’re very funny to me

@battle188883

Жыл бұрын

I think darkest lariat gets close to being a shield breaker without revenge even, but that's not part of the gameplan so that's probs why it wasn't considered.

@LukasArailiys

Жыл бұрын

@@battle188883 fair enough. It is the best worst move in the game, and you can spotdodge the last hit… unless it’s super charged. Even then, you right. Incineroar would rather just grab shields. I would know. I main the big dumb cat

@battle188883

Жыл бұрын

@@LukasArailiys I main the cat too my guy, and yeah I love these moves too.

@kittybaby6242

Жыл бұрын

​@@LukasArailiys Darkest Lariat's not a bad move tho. It's strong and fast(5 frame start up, same as nair), has invincibility, and is a great parry oos. Sure it's his less good moves but with the invincibility(especially on the arms, makin it a good semi disjoint) and frame data it does play a decent roll as a parry oos, especially with revenge.

@YounesLayachi

Жыл бұрын

I like that revenge persists after connecting with a shield. Shielding is vain, revenge is inevitable !

3:02 Fencing swords like rapiers sacrifice strong and effective slashes for mobility and precise stabs so it makes sense Marths signature weapon rewards that kind of targeting. And lucinas is just an imitation which I kinda wish didn’t have that property much like it lacks a tipper.

17:38 YESSS I was getting so worried it wouldn’t make the list 😭

It would’ve been so funny to see Roy forward smash or Robin down smash just to hear another “more fire emblem”

Any shield breaker able to be used in the air is better. Also I feel like charge shot is the move that most often breaks shields that I see.

@YounesLayachi

Жыл бұрын

Agree, charge shot eats shields

I loved the part where you were talkin bout seph ngl, he's my main for a reason. Honestly, could you make a short vid where you just talk bout stuff that you love about seph/ or ultimate in general?

Sheik: Wait... can you do that? Amazing, I can't even imagine it... DK's a damn beast at shield breaks.

@stephenrichter8940

Жыл бұрын

His down b locks people in shield for both hits. Also it prioritizes shield instead of shield poking for guaranteed breaks

Love Sephiroth's moves but also find that back air hard to use. Still learning movement techniques since I've only ever played n64 til now, but hopefully I get there!

A very interesting shield breaker coming from ganondorf is aerial down B Its a bit specific to land well but if you hit the opponents shield with pretty much anything (even a jab), if you connect with aerial wiz kick properly spaced its an instant shield break

Oh, right. Subscribing to Mockrock's patreon has been on my to-do list, but I totally forgot to. Hopefully next time you'll see me in early access. As for the video itself, Imma make a few guesses before I watch: Sephiroth's down smash has to be on here, that move can pop shields like a bubble, and sephiroth can force opponents to shield using side B. Bowser's down B ought to be on here. Especially with how laggy down air, if an opponent tries to shield to punish the down air, but then bowser does down B, pop. Jigglypuff's pound, as well. Not a dedicated shield breaker, but it does so much for jigglypuff, and it's shield damage is something to be feared.

@cassiuspeter9673

Жыл бұрын

Edit: Wow, I forgot about a LOT of good shield breakers in smash. I didn't write Marth's shield breaker because I thought it was too obvious (It was in the thumbnail, not exactly a creative pick), but I totally forgot about Steve's anvil, Corrin's chainsaw, and little mac's down smash. And I'll be honest, I didn't know about ken and Kazuya's options at all. One of my favorite parts of Smash is that there's no button combos to memorize, so I've never given Ken or Kazuya the time of day. And yeah, Kazuya's EWGF really is too overcentralizing.

Not gonna lie... Corrin slowly drilling away at the opponents shield before finishing them off with an impaling stab is raw as heck if you think about it.

Great video. I think you should do something revolving around thoughts on character design balance. Like a tier list regarding character balance or the top 10 most balanced characters

Great list, the Steve & Seph inclusion is based I’m a little sad Yoshi didn’t make the top 10 but I’m glad down b was mentioned

16:40 see this is why i love Bowser. Breaks shield, walks away, and then... BAM BAM BAM BAM BOOOM! Bowser is stupid fast, and I'm pretty sure that he can 0-death off a shield break by using the damaging windbox on Fire breath into fully charged F-smash. It's not the easiest thing to do, and so far I've only seen it done on Pichu, but even then, if he can't kill you, you're getting ~40% from Fire breath.

Another pretty interesting shield breaker I’m surprised didn’t even get an honorable mention is dedede’s down special. Yeah it takes a while to charge but it’s an armored behemoth of a hit that not only breaks shields when fully charged, but can also 2 frame and just straight up hit below ledge (also his up special is quite similar to yoshi/bowser down specials in terms of shield breaking power)

A few more points in Headbutt's favor, despite the animation, it's got a pretty good disjoint and can catch the opponent unexpectably. It also grabs ledge, so by timing your held down inputs it can be fairly handy for an armor'd return and can cancel the endlag after the hitbox comes out, leading to some safer shield breaks. Some good DK mains reallly squeeze everything out of this move.

Need more top 10s. One of my favorite series on this channel

On the little mac one, if he's charging it, you don't know if it's the kill f-smash or the shield f-smash until he releases it too, which if it was a centralizing situation (maybe in some matchups?), it can be a big factor considering it also has armor.

I’m just happy to see another video from you. Thanks! 🎉

I like how if you play as Marth in any smash game against A.I.s, if you use the move titled "Sheild Breaker" the A.I.s first option is to try to block it.

Shulk's down-smash becomes a deceptively potent shield-locking tool when performed with Buster active; if the first front-facing hitbox hits the opponent's shield, they can't dodge or avoid either of the two hits after. Usually this means they get shield-poked on the third hit due to pushback, but if they're sandwiched between Shulk and a ledge, it essentially becomes a shield break instead.

@YounesLayachi

Жыл бұрын

His other moves are much better at shield breaking with buster monado. Also i don't think buster has shield damage multiplier , it just does a ton of damage

Bowser jr.'s klown cannon is a really good shield breaker. It gains a hitbox on landing which has a disproportionate amount of extra shield damage. Normally people aren't willing to stand there and shield it but it's effective when you mix it into recovering. At the right distance and a full charge it can break a full shield alone

Did you do the music during the ad read? It was pretty dope :D

@MockRockTalk

Жыл бұрын

I did, thanks!

Holy FUCK I missed that intro so much I’m glad to have you back MockRock you’re such a legend

I thought I was the only one who would 100% main Sephiroth except I can't get the Bair timing down.

I'm not sure it was mentioned in the video, but in car it wasn't: pound can be angled up or down (though not by much), giving it some more versatility and mixup

Very good video MockRock, big fan. I have a quick question tho, where do you find all the vods you go through when making these videos? Is there like a specific website for it?

If i recall, when in the corner or close to corrin, you are actually supposed to sdi toward corrin, it's just really difficult to get through.

My favorite shield break move is Bowser Jr.’s cannonball. It is so funny when it works.

As a fairly casual smash fan, only one I could think of was hero's hatchet man. Good vid

As a Bowser Jr main I feel like a lot of his kit goes underdiscussed, and that includes his shield break tools, so I'll shout it out here. Jr's Neutral B cannonballs slow as they may be are exceptional for shield pressure because the cannonball doesn't get stopped by hitting shield. The lowest-charge cannonball goes so slow that players need to keep holding shield for a moment too long to let the cannonball pass through them, which eats their shield from contact and then holding it. If the Jr is fast they can then rush in with either Downsmash or spin-out Side B to finish the shield off. This pairs exceptionally well with having a Mechakoopa walking around which is best stopped with shielding. if you condition your opponent to shield to stop the mechakoopa, they may raise it for that purpose only to eat a cannonball and then get broken by the abovementioned finishers.

Shout out to ice climbers back for being a spacer, plus on shield AND really high damage. Icies can get a lot of shield breaks if the opponent gets scared

Dedede's jet hammer is an unsung hero in this list. It's a big enabler of his ledge trap game while having the utility of super armor, it also is a pretty good punish for opponents landing with aireals Unfortunately, it's hard to justify since Dedede has terrible frame data and mobility, and Jet Hammer doesn't exactly help with that, but it does enhance an already disgusting part of Dedede's game plan

Huh, suprised Hero didn't make it on this list. I would say he should have been on the list with Oomph+Phyche Up being the "Shield Break move", as that combo literally makes Hero's existence a shield break, lol. Hero is terrifying with that buff combo on him bc the enemy has zero room for error. 1 hit either results in a sheild break, high shield damage, taking massive pecent damage, or just up & dying outright at low percents. & it's not even hard to get that buff combo on him.

It's unfortunate that Corrin's F smash is held back by its properties. For those who don't know, since the model for the f smash isn't tied to Corrin's F smash, it's treated as something of a projectile, meaning that it always loses to aerials. Even stuff like the late hit of mario nair or weak multi-hit aerials like mario's down air will straight up beat it, although it won't put Corrin in the clank animation since, again, it isn't tied to their hitbox. Corrin's F smash would be an amazing anti air if this wasn't a thing; it's super strong with good range, and it can kill pretty early if it hits the tipper. It's unfortunate because other characters like Shulk don't have this problem, and Shulk's F smash becomes a viable anti air even though it's a multi-hit that doesn't always like to connect properly. I was hoping they'd give Corrin this buff when ultimate was getting patched, but it unfortunately never happened. Same with Bayo, although her f smash works better since it's just really strong and tends to beat out weaker aerials (her whole arm does the same amount of base damage as corrin's tipper f smash).

My favourite is Game&Watch's down-special. That thing is almost always a guaranteed hit when preceeded by a jab1. And if they hold shield, well, depending on the strength of the absorbed projectile, it's a shieldbreak. Shoutout to upsmash as well. -6 on a smash attack that deals decent shield damage is stupid.

Ken and Ryu have a shieldbreak, that is kind of hidden. Their down throw breaks shields, but not the shield of the character that is thrown, but by a second character, which is getting hit by the chop hitbox. In one on one Scenarios this is only possible on Ice Climbers, if Nana is grabed and Popo shields. Pretty obscure

i do love sephiroth's nair, but i do gotta admit... i kinda wanted to see him with cloud's nair just for the visual of him swinging that entire sword around in a giant circle. those are always some of my favorite moves visually; the satisfying sword slash streaks just do something for me, and sephiroth's sword especially just. Mmph. oh, uh, right, this is a video about shield breaks. um. yeah, shield breaks! woohoo! homerun bat is pretty good at that lmao

Knew my pound had to be on here. Puff shield breaks are fun. Love making my opponent watch their shield get pounded once and then be too scared to shield again

i would like to bring up terry's burn knuckle and power guyzer. both of them hurt shields a lot and have so much practicality.

I like how 3/4th of Piranha Plant's specials are shield breaking tools

So happy to see Ken on this list. Ken has true block string shield breaks, it’s nuts

3:57 yo that flow is kinda crazy 😳

being a little mac main is like being a batman stan. “peanut can do xyz” is the “batman can beat him with prep time”

I'd like to give a quick shoutout to Ganondorf's aerial down-b. It's not an instant shieldbreak, but it's pretty close to it, and landing it when the opponent doesn't expect it has allowed to cheese some stocks and games at % that are certified Ganondorf.

Its pretty different from Smash, but I think you’d enjoy exploring Tuff E Nuff, and talking about that game. Its really interesting to dissect, and it has a lot of cool individual moves.

Bowser Jr side B is also a good shield break, is very unexpected for the oponent, not always see as it can do it but when it does is super strong

i had this small point in time when i mained corrin in smash 4 but now i'm wondering if i should give them another shot because i really did not know half of the things i could do...

Thumbnail go crazy for this one

Bowser Bomb may be kinda bad as a shieldbreaker in practice but god getting a hard read with it is so sick, I was in a crew battle once and I took my 6th stock from the opposing Ridley player shielding on ledge getup, I will never live down the high from that Bowser Bomb.

Big fan of the whose line is it anyway refrence, didnt know they showed it in canada.

Mac's gut punch is absolute destruction.

TOP 10 SHIELD BREAK SET UPSSSSS would be sick like actual setups ex:lucas air magnet u air up smash and if course many others

@kylelemon4230

Жыл бұрын

@MockRockTalk. what does that mean what and how where

Have you ever done a video on the best match-up charts? That would be nifty

WAIT WHY IS THERE A CLIP OF ME GETTING SHIELD BROKEN IN THE FIRST 30 SECONDS WAIT NOOO

i feel like soras downsmash is very good too, really great at ledge and able to break shields decently. Just doesnt happen often bc sora doesnt fight much on the ground and the only smash attack you cant combo into

It's still a mystery to me why Lucina doesn't have the _Melee_ version of the Shield Breaker. You know, the one that attacks with the entirety of the sword and not the tipper, reflecting how Lucina actually plays? Also can we acknowledge that Pound and Headbutt are just terrible moves character-wise? Both of those characters are in need of serious reworks, if I could redesign them they'd literally only keep one current special move. (Steve should stay on the anvil and it should have more endlag too).

If Minmin didn't get nerfed she'd definitely be on this list. Those pre nerfs arms were broken.

Kinda shocking to not see Robin's down smash on here, but I can get behind this list

Fun fact: marcina’s shieldbreaker bonus head damage is actually hard coded to do less knockback, making its knockback equal to the normal shieldbreaker when it doesn’t hit heads LOL

All I can think about with Sephiroth’s dsmash is that acola is an absolute madman for casually spotdodging it not once but multiple times against Tweek. For a move that’s THAT scary, that’s crazy to see.

5:05 amsa for example yoshi became c tier because of that man alone trying hard enough I mean really any character is viable except for little Mac and Gannon apparently and pichu is a worse pikachu but still you can win big with them

13:03 Do not give him credit. For anything lol.

I feel like clown kart dash deserves a nod too. One of if not his best kill confirm in this burst into hammer swing, and so if you try and shield and hide from it he can just spin out and shatter a shield and then f-smash or jab to kill. If clown kart dash was on a different character people would despise it

Incineroars Darkest Lariat with revenge boost is a true shiled break since the revenge boost increases the shiled stun so all 3 hits hit

Me happy that Sephiroth d smash got on: (I was worried 😅)

This is one of those lists where I actually think there should be a separate list for online vs normal. Because as someone that plays Ryu pnline the forearm thing is way better then top level play suggests. Because that basically 1 move shield pop with just the touch of delay works so much better than say Little Mac's.

Surprised DDD's jet hammer wasnt on here. I guess it's not the cleanest shield break but it has some good uses in DDD's kit

I will never forget the first time I got insta shield broke by getting hit by both hits of Olimars down smash with purple.

It amazes me how so many people fail to understand how Byleth is just so easy to react to. It's enough that even Mock himself doesn't cover how you can just parry the ridiculously predictable moves.

Cannot believe you forgot about peachs mr saturn

I think another fitting move for this list would've been Villager's down special. Sure, it is a good move on it's own, what with Villager being able to create a wall against most grounded projectiles, (and a danger zone on the stage in general for anyone slower than him,) and a deadly frame 5 move at the push of a button. But it actually has a true shield break setup against the entire roster if you cut the tree down directly onto someone's shield in tangent with the axe.

@thegrabbyhands

9 ай бұрын

its not cutting the tree down its the tree growth into the axe that destroys sheild- its instant too, the moment it grows into your shield it breaks, and tree is still and extremely useful tool even if you don’t sheild break

I played a series of games against a Peach with Byleth, and I got 2 shueld breaks a game over at least 5 games, all with down smash