The Top 10 Performance Catamarans by their sailing ratios - 58ft to 65ft

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Maths and physics does not lie good people so this is a very easy and objective way of evaluating your future catamaran purchase. To a large extent I believe to win in the sailing ratios alone is a hollow victory since you should also look at the catamaran's construction and the materials that are used. A sportstar catamaran that will always win the Friday afternoon trophy and get the bottle of red wine will likely not be the most durable cruiser able to take alot of punishment. And that is why I like aluminium, the best boat building material bar none. Light strong and durable it can certainly take the punishment meted out to it.
The Odisea 62 from Odisea Catamarans has just been designed and will soon be built in Vietnam. It is the bigger brother of the Odisea 48 but has much more style, volume and comfort than it's younger brother. It is similar to the Balance 620 in that it is a luxury boat that can take the punishment of a world cruise in comfort. BUT it is lighter and more durable being made of aluminium and because of this the Odisea 62 beats the Balance 620 in all the sailing ratios, namely Sail Area to Displacement, Displacement to Waterline length and Ksp....and of course it beats it in price by a whopping margin. Write me an email to peter@elcanoworldchallenge.org
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  • @maxfacts1
    @maxfacts15 ай бұрын

    Peter got his Aluminum Facts right, light weight, strong, aluminum is arguably the best boat building material, titanium would be better but MUCH more expensive.

  • @brentpenfold1795
    @brentpenfold17955 ай бұрын

    Can’t wait for the “Top 10 Performance Catamarans by their sailing ratios - 40ft to 50ft”! :o)

  • @stephen-collins
    @stephen-collins5 ай бұрын

    These "Plukky explains" style videos are top stuff!

  • @brentpenfold1795
    @brentpenfold17955 ай бұрын

    Great video. Very educational and no doubt will upset many production cat builders with you pulling back the curtain. Sharing your inside baseball will no doubt excite the trolls and see the cat fraternity hit back with their advocacy for “stability” as being the number criterion in boat selection! :o)

  • @hedleyjackson5131
    @hedleyjackson51315 ай бұрын

    Peter on Song, it's great to see you animated and enthused, plus imparting well presented information.

  • @nealchristensen1793
    @nealchristensen17935 ай бұрын

    Nothing but Quality Fun,Adventure,Education, People , No Drama wow Peter well I think we are on to something really big here ! Thank you !

  • @careylogan7639
    @careylogan763928 күн бұрын

    It's refreshing to get such valuable insights into the boat building area. great video. And...I did learn something...no fluff just the facts man!!

  • @braithmiller
    @braithmiller5 ай бұрын

    Well explained with no bs. This will be cool the first customer at this size of the ODC, what an opportunity. Before even discussing the technology layer!

  • @toddgroh
    @toddgroh5 ай бұрын

    Nice Plukky! Keep up the good work

  • @riverflame
    @riverflame5 ай бұрын

    Way to go Peter. Always knew you are a keeper… just gets better and better 👍🏻👍🏻

  • @tangotahi
    @tangotahi5 ай бұрын

    It is good to compare this build with the Sailing With the Wynns, who are building an HH cat in China. Both interesting channels! Good to see them both! I must say, I think I prefer alli too, however.

  • @wavehunta
    @wavehunta5 ай бұрын

    Very informative ❤

  • @erikdiegmann9217
    @erikdiegmann92175 ай бұрын

    I've been a boat builder for 35 yrs and correct alloy is definitely the better material another pro is that alloy can be 100 percent repaired in most locations unlike other materials

  • @dancarter482

    @dancarter482

    5 ай бұрын

    Exactly; learn TIG - get a spool gun and some plate. DIY.!

  • @ebutuoyotwen
    @ebutuoyotwen5 ай бұрын

    Good topic, I feel like there needs to be more information like this out there. Especially about how stats are massaged. Why isn't cabin sole area in the stats. It seems important. How about impact energy needed for a hull penetration. The engineering specs provide this information, yet the consumer is not demanding access. It is almost like the industry is begging to be regulated.

  • @AMF1
    @AMF15 ай бұрын

    Struth Plukky - i think I will buy 3 !!!!! I miss the posterior photography!!!!!!

  • @vudu5vudu
    @vudu5vudu5 ай бұрын

    Geez Peter. How many millions? So my 4m tinny with a 15 Yam 2-stroke is likely world leading. Comparatively... +) Love your educated and detailed analysis.

  • @dennispatrick4999
    @dennispatrick49995 ай бұрын

    Great comparison video. Thanks Peter.

  • @Smileshooter
    @Smileshooter5 ай бұрын

    I‘ve never seen an aluminum boatbuilder, so I‘m really enjoying those buildvideos 👌🏻👌🏻 Just rewatching this, to see how much has changed between the episodes.

  • @Smileshooter

    @Smileshooter

    5 ай бұрын

    I would like to see a little Timelapse on every Episode on the progress so far

  • @LoanwordEggcorn
    @LoanwordEggcorn5 ай бұрын

    Peter Johnstone's Gunboats were inspired by Chris White's Atlantic 57.

  • @bigCeffie
    @bigCeffie5 ай бұрын

    Love to see the Neanderthal education and all, but, would love to see some of your daily adventures around the town, I bet not a lot of them have interacted with an Australian Neanderthal before and would be interested in seeing how they react to you :D

  • @TedKidd
    @TedKidd5 ай бұрын

    QUALITY PEOPLE, NOTHING BUT QUALITY!!

  • @NigelMarston
    @NigelMarston5 ай бұрын

    Your explanation of why aluminium is better in impacts is why I have kept an aluminium bicycle frame for MTB rather than move to a considerably lighter carbon fibre frame. CF is great for ultimate performance but if you need ultimate reliability... aluminium

  • @gerritgovaerts8443

    @gerritgovaerts8443

    5 ай бұрын

    I actually broke the alu frame of a fully suspended MTB during riding on normal tarmac . Granted , the bike was about 20 years old , and their lies the clue : metal fatigue . While steel and titanium can do infinite stress cycles if limited to a maximum excursion limit , no such safe limit exists for alu . Alu will break after some time , no matter how small the stresses are while Ti and steel can be forever . This makes me wonder how good alu is a hull material how long it will last structurally before you need to replace it

  • @mememe5231

    @mememe5231

    5 ай бұрын

    Great video! I’m curious what to lookout for when buying a thirty year old aluminum boat? Thanks

  • @AVAM..

    @AVAM..

    3 ай бұрын

    Submarine going to Titanic was also from Titanium and had a misforming of titanium, aka metal fatique!!

  • @pierrefiore6933
    @pierrefiore69335 ай бұрын

    Always enjoy the expertise and the delivery. Always manage to find nice ladies too.

  • @FCA1962
    @FCA19622 ай бұрын

    Thank brother!!! Share knowledge is hard to find. Cheers!

  • @tim31736
    @tim317365 ай бұрын

    Love it, Love it, love it!! A lot of great info there Peter

  • @ianh2674
    @ianh26745 ай бұрын

    Interesting and thoughtful presentation Peter.

  • @tunnelrabbit2625
    @tunnelrabbit26255 ай бұрын

    Excellent. It is good to see you in your element.

  • @melinda5777
    @melinda57775 ай бұрын

    Cap'n Plukky, this all looks familiar, eay!? LOL ❤❤😂😂

  • @kenbeiser4443
    @kenbeiser44435 ай бұрын

    I think you mentioned 100 % recyclable, even during construction, is about as good as we can hope. We tend to dismiss end of useful life as part of the “formula”. Being a woodworker, it is tough for me to go 100% aluminum. There are plenty of places in any boat for wood craftsmanship. Plucky, those are huge boats with huge price tags during their useful life. Aren’t there any 40 to 45 ft performance cats that will do what you and most real people want and MAYBE can afford to buy and own?

  • @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    5 ай бұрын

    Already done an episode on 48 to 53 ft boats....you should pay attention

  • @kenbeiser4443

    @kenbeiser4443

    5 ай бұрын

    @@SAILINGintoFREEDOM Don’t piss off your devoted peeeple. I watch ALL your YT posts. I AM paying attention. You are getting out of my league.

  • @geofferyrobertson6608
    @geofferyrobertson66083 ай бұрын

    good info Pete , good watching

  • @jecarification
    @jecarification5 ай бұрын

    Bravo, info from a smart man !

  • @fulltimber
    @fulltimber5 ай бұрын

    Well said mate, and good luck with your guest that gave the little plug 😊

  • @BernardOuellette-mf5rv
    @BernardOuellette-mf5rv5 ай бұрын

    It's great info. Thank you for taking the time to share it.

  • @airavata2863
    @airavata28635 ай бұрын

    Yep...good one Pluck !!!

  • @hedleyjackson5131
    @hedleyjackson51312 ай бұрын

    Great information well worth another view.

  • @phauparazzi
    @phauparazzi5 ай бұрын

    Made me laugh out loud. Plucky quote "Ive had a hole in my boat, you don't want to go there"

  • @comfortablynumb9342
    @comfortablynumb93425 ай бұрын

    Well Plukky it looks like you've made some cute new friends. Top stuff. Buena suerte, y cuídate mucho. Good luck and be extra careful.

  • @ericmitchell5350
    @ericmitchell53505 ай бұрын

    Like it when Plucky geeks out a bit exuding confidence! Well done & informative! Now where to get the additional $2.5M

  • @priit47
    @priit475 ай бұрын

    Yet another very good and useful video. So thankful for you sharing your wisdom. Keep it up and I wish you all the best!!!

  • @deb8568
    @deb85685 ай бұрын

    Love all the info and comparisons! Thank you!

  • @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    5 ай бұрын

    Awww Deb.... my number one fan

  • @pemman
    @pemman5 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the detailed info on the various boats Plukky 😊

  • @ef1464
    @ef14645 ай бұрын

    Gracias amigo, cheers from Chile

  • @georgegilbert7347
    @georgegilbert73475 ай бұрын

    Every once and awhile the caveman disappears and the the engineer peeks over the rail.

  • @obwan7217
    @obwan72175 ай бұрын

    You have the gift of gab Pluky....I have no Idea what you were talking about....lol

  • @KennyP88
    @KennyP885 ай бұрын

    Interesting that even these very expensive boats will use cheap materials in the construction of the hull. Like it’s the least important to them to impress buyers. The buyers want all the fancy do da of the interior. Recently did a delivery on a $3 million Oyster 6.2. The amount of well engineered door hinges etc and the like, wonderful, compared to no hand holds after coming down the companionway to cross the saloon, tells me a very serious lack of quality or understanding. JMHO Plukky, build us something to make us proud, to be watching you build. 👍

  • @stephenmason8172
    @stephenmason81725 ай бұрын

    VERY INFORMATIVE COMMENT.

  • @kirkb3473
    @kirkb34735 ай бұрын

    Great video, glad people are out there like yourself looking behind the curtain of boat builders. Like most things though the devil is in the details and the right answer for what’s best is “it depends”. Every one is going to place priorities in different spots as all boats are just a series of compromises. (Unless you remove budget from the equation lol) Each of the higher end boats you mentioned (Gunboat/HH//Balance/ORC/etc) are all custom builds but the advertised LIghtship displacement includes a ton of equipment that others do not. So although your numbers on the Odesea are phenomenal, the actual livability isn’t apples to apples. If the other boats were built bare bones their numbers would look a bit different. But in general the premise of what you are communicating is spot on and I give you two thumbs up! Just any potential buyers out there, make sure you dig into the details 👍🏻👍🏻

  • @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    5 ай бұрын

    Details indeed....you are right

  • @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    5 ай бұрын

    But ODISEA 62 numbers aren't that great. Its more of a comfortable cruiser

  • @kirkb3473

    @kirkb3473

    5 ай бұрын

    @@SAILINGintoFREEDOM Yep, and if you are going to sail all the way around the world that is the way to go (IMO), a blend of both. I've spoken directly to one of the guys who was crew on the El Cano challenge Outremer with Jimmy, and his account of the mission was very telling. They absolutely could have succeeded with that Outremer but it would have been a miserable slog...and life's too short for miserable slogs!

  • @SV_Aroo
    @SV_Aroo5 ай бұрын

    Thanks, Plukky, very informative.

  • @8marcrara11
    @8marcrara115 ай бұрын

    Goodonya Plukky! Good Info..! Only commenting for your algorithm 😁🧿🐉🇦🇺🏴‍☠️

  • @paulpence8895
    @paulpence88955 ай бұрын

    Great vid Plukky!!!

  • @Mike00982
    @Mike009825 ай бұрын

    Great video and thanks for the info

  • @jamesaron1967
    @jamesaron19675 ай бұрын

    Great information

  • @sausage5849
    @sausage58495 ай бұрын

    Hey Puckly, Grandpa called and he wants his opening and closing music back lol

  • @leadreviewer3257
    @leadreviewer32575 ай бұрын

    Great stuff its going to be awesome

  • @robertbuckley3582
    @robertbuckley35825 ай бұрын

    Fascinating discussion.

  • @robertlaird6746
    @robertlaird67465 ай бұрын

    I love this type of video!

  • @brentpenfold1795
    @brentpenfold17955 ай бұрын

    More easy peasy please, that brought an Aussie smile to this old Aussie face! … and I think the Ba Son Shipyard may give the fibre glass “mass production” builders are run for their money!

  • @omwatw
    @omwatw5 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the info

  • @gerritgovaerts8443
    @gerritgovaerts84435 ай бұрын

    what a pity you did not include the ORC 57 (too small by just 1 ft ? )

  • @ozolli

    @ozolli

    5 ай бұрын

    There are many cats that would nicely fit on top of this list. For example the McConaghy MC²60, the Schionning G-Force 1800 and 2000 and the Atlantic 57. Sure they are confidential boats, but not less than the not already made Odisea 62 ;-)

  • @webheadusa9377
    @webheadusa93775 ай бұрын

    Professor Peter, nicely explained! :¬) Webhead USA

  • @oleran4569
    @oleran45695 ай бұрын

    An engineer and lover of sail. Good!

  • @rayb226
    @rayb2265 ай бұрын

    Thanks for sharing.

  • @kimphilley621
    @kimphilley6215 ай бұрын

    Great info

  • @kristaready8812
    @kristaready88125 ай бұрын

    Wish I was in the market for a cat...... Best I can do is live vicariously through you 😂🤗💞

  • @richardweil854
    @richardweil8545 ай бұрын

    Comparer les catamarans existants et les futures créations ? Regardez les résultats de l’ORC (Rallyes pour les Crusiers)

  • @ASDPOWER
    @ASDPOWER4 ай бұрын

    Steve Dashew is amazing !

  • @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    4 ай бұрын

    Indeed hevisc and so is his wife

  • @seanyowies8532
    @seanyowies85325 ай бұрын

    I bought my granddaughter a cat 🐱. It’s stuffed! She takes it everywhere, preschool, shopping with her mum, she absolutely loves it

  • @user-fd4pt5nb3v
    @user-fd4pt5nb3v5 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the facts n formula's you make a good teacher great stuff aluminum is the strongest. Jeff the Navy vet

  • @user-eq7gc4pd9q
    @user-eq7gc4pd9q5 ай бұрын

    Благодарю. Ты мудрый и правильный совет дал. Всем Добра!

  • @chhindz
    @chhindz5 ай бұрын

    Good to have the best materials, and if out run out of money could build interior of thatched palm fronds and bamboo.

  • @EternalOcean1
    @EternalOcean15 ай бұрын

    Slyder build from aluminum also.

  • @billyjames7735
    @billyjames77355 ай бұрын

    very educational

  • @chikken_soup
    @chikken_soup5 ай бұрын

    I'm pretty sure the amount of cupholders lends to better performance 🤪

  • @goomtoob8714
    @goomtoob87145 ай бұрын

    will you test it's strength by returning to WA to exact revenge on that bombie there?

  • @frankoconnor7309
    @frankoconnor73095 ай бұрын

    Great video full of referral able quality information. Would it be a good idea to throw in an imaginary aluminum performance cat comparison boat with similar dimensions to those you like ? Great work Peter.

  • @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    5 ай бұрын

    There are none

  • @suzannechance5876
    @suzannechance58765 ай бұрын

    Peter...you lost me at six million dollars....i am laughing my ass off!

  • @rezawaheed8879
    @rezawaheed88795 ай бұрын

    how conductive is the alu frame in a lightning storm. question.

  • @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    5 ай бұрын

    Correct griffin my friend

  • @Scalihoo
    @Scalihoo5 ай бұрын

    Is foam used in the build process & please touch base on galvanic corrosion from other boats at Marina's is this a big concern. ?

  • @stevehammond7485
    @stevehammond74855 ай бұрын

    Hello Plucky!

  • @Ivansgarage
    @Ivansgarage5 ай бұрын

    Impressive work you have done, I have gained way more respect for you since you started this project, you are definitely smarter than you look, maybe just maybe they will include a comb or a brush, or even a hair cut... lol

  • @victorvos2833
    @victorvos28335 ай бұрын

    Its a bit strange listening/ watching to you as the educating professor in catamaran stuff! Top stuff! By the way whats your opinion about the Triple banana from SV Vagabond? Looks to me also as fine ship!

  • @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    5 ай бұрын

    Hardly a professor. Just playing with the maths and tweaking the values back to the real world so it is fair. Someone has to do it.

  • @victorvos2833

    @victorvos2833

    5 ай бұрын

    @@SAILINGintoFREEDOM i see a lot off "dot" welding. Do they after this all the whole lengths welding? So that you have completed strength instead of only the "dots".

  • @bkbroiler8069
    @bkbroiler80695 ай бұрын

    Hey Plucky. When you gonna start interviewing new crew for the challenge?

  • @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    5 ай бұрын

    Now

  • @taylormkct
    @taylormkct5 ай бұрын

    Very good informative video, but I can't believe the price of these cats, if that's the cost of a fiberglass cat what's your aluminum boat going to cost you then?

  • @sheerluckholmes5468
    @sheerluckholmes54685 ай бұрын

    Totally correct Plukky that China is cheaper, unfortunately for us it's only cheaper for them, we don't get to benefit one cent on the deal. They benefit by having cheaper labor, no workers compensation, cheaper rent on facilities and lower energy costs and possibly quite a few others.

  • @themadjedi2488
    @themadjedi24885 ай бұрын

    Considering your electric personality Plucky, how will Freedom 2 handle any lightning strike like the one before.

  • @andresinnett4319
    @andresinnett43195 ай бұрын

    Looks like I'll be buying ×2 mono hulls & tieing them together 😅

  • @waltervanderboor
    @waltervanderboor5 ай бұрын

    In the same perspective it would be good to understand your take on carbon fiber masts for world-cruisers (Racers probably all opt for carbon).

  • @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    5 ай бұрын

    I am not the one to ask i never owned one so it would be silly for me to comment.

  • @kayweiss1862
    @kayweiss18625 ай бұрын

    good educational video ,providing information and nurturing inquiry . one evaluation and prize factor is missing ,as it is unfortunately in most advertisements and comments on boats ,including on boat shows and that is the environment factor !. Current and future generations will have to pay a high prize for boat builds that use toxic materials and that need more toxic materials for maintenance/repairs .Even , if an environment tax is not introduced on such new boat builds ,conscientious people can at least take a stance and mention a provisional % prize for environment damage of certain boat builds . It is not only external environment that will be damaged ,certain boat building components will be increasingly found in body tissues of humans and other animal species . To avoid awareness of the responsibility of ones personal desires and actions, will damage the conscience of all perpetrators involved in these dynamics . As a minimum ,research/investigation should be actively pursued to find less toxic materials and better recycling policies and technics . For instance ,how to reuse retired boat hulls for water tanks ,tiny homes ,shelters for homeless ,refugees ........ .

  • @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    5 ай бұрын

    You are right...well dune

  • @Daveincc
    @Daveincc5 ай бұрын

    The corrosion issues with aluminum should not be dismissed. Drop a steel screw into the bilge and not get it out and you’ll have a hole in the boat in no time. Anyplace an aluminum boat flexes it will quickly fatigue and crack. I agree aluminum is a good material for boat building but anyone buying one needs to have a good understanding of its drawbacks and limitations. Otherwise your educational videos are great. I can’t wait for your new cat properly adorned with new crew !

  • @mark-vp4yc
    @mark-vp4yc3 ай бұрын

    What about the Aussie McConaghy

  • @geoGELLER
    @geoGELLER5 ай бұрын

    peter - all this metal talk and aluminium talk doesn't deal with metal fatigue - from all the vibrations and twising and turning and work hardening vulnerable areas - how does your aluminium hold up / good stuf on engineering detail / as you know when you are welding an area it changes the metal tension and often creates a weak point - i suggest you get your engineers to look into this and develop some options they offer as an added value when people are building a boat to add to the longevity, life span of a boat too - good stuff - peter what happens after the boat hull is built - have you started fundraising and getting sponsors too - hang in there

  • @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    5 ай бұрын

    Good design

  • @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    5 ай бұрын

    Stops most problems

  • @gerritgovaerts8443

    @gerritgovaerts8443

    5 ай бұрын

    @@SAILINGintoFREEDOM Good design may delay problems with metal fatigue but not stop it . Alu has no safe excursion limit when stressed under which it can undergo infinite stress cycles . Steel and titanium do have such a safe limit . In other words , no matter how small the stresses are , alu will eventually break . That is why aircraft fuselages are checked on a regular basis for cracks .

  • @rboston33
    @rboston335 ай бұрын

    Comment comment comment

  • @pnuttheclownh2254
    @pnuttheclownh22545 ай бұрын

    what about FRP?

  • @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    5 ай бұрын

    That's fiberglass

  • @Gunner521
    @Gunner5215 ай бұрын

    👍

  • @garryparkes9121
    @garryparkes91215 ай бұрын

    Are you biased, Absolutely! I am also biased right along with you. Thanks.

  • @thomasthornton5737
    @thomasthornton57375 ай бұрын

    😃👍👍👍❤

  • @ddddd1666
    @ddddd16662 ай бұрын

    Missing McConaghy cats

  • @Ickus
    @Ickus5 ай бұрын

    At the risk on bringing up bad memories... how do you think an Al vessel would of handled your lightning strikes and unfortunate incident in the Kimberleys?

  • @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    @SAILINGintoFREEDOM

    5 ай бұрын

    Better

  • @francismoore4976
    @francismoore49765 ай бұрын

    Hi, it is very clear that anyone who value their life and their family life aluminum is the way to go. You don't want to be an appetizer for a great white shark! I'm always surprise that peoples with millions of dollars are willing to risk it with a brittle material as fiberglass and carbon fiber. Carbon fiber is great for racing but hitting a floating container will end your day in a very bad way and I'm not going to talk about E glass. The ultimate would be a titanium hull without questions......but that is another story.

  • @bjorntorfason6721
    @bjorntorfason67215 ай бұрын