The Tokugawa Shogunate: Feudalism Perfected

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Jansen, Marius. The Making of Modern Japan, Harvard (2002)
www.amazon.co.uk/Making-Moder...

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  • @ApostolicMajesty
    @ApostolicMajesty Жыл бұрын

    If you enjoyed this video, please like and leave a comment. It helps the channel a lot. Many thanks.

  • @LadyOfShaIott
    @LadyOfShaIott Жыл бұрын

    The 'Imperial Japanese Apostolic Majesty' at the beginning of this stream was wonderful! - a lovely touch. Thanks as ever for a superb lecture.

  • @hanshazlitt4535

    @hanshazlitt4535

    Жыл бұрын

    For a woman with children you sure make the rounds online.

  • @LadyOfShaIott

    @LadyOfShaIott

    Жыл бұрын

    @@hanshazlitt4535 I’m fortunate in that I homeschool so I can catch these streams. I’ve always loved history so AM’s channel is great place for me.

  • @johnnotrealname8168
    @johnnotrealname8168 Жыл бұрын

    First and this was a wonderful stream, I first flowered on Japanese history with the Meiji restoration and the historiography constantly denigrates the Shogunate and I was surprised to read that they were so peaceful. I can never fully appreciate them for the persecution of the faith but it is amazing how controlling they were able to be, yet the sacrifices similar to what Louis XIV had to endure. You are correct towards the end, if you have a hereditary system, you lost power, Louis XIV's true power was manoeuvring around the Parlements and nobles, although loosing his judicial function mostly and the Shogun's was making himself indispensable.

  • @AndrewB21
    @AndrewB21 Жыл бұрын

    The women who were consorts to the emperor were actually not always shunted away as you say at the end there. At least not once they became mother to the next emperor. One of the biggest criticisms people at the time had regarding Yoshimitsu the dog emperor was his milksoppish dedication to his mother. There was a strong sense that a lot of his decisions were in deference to her, the anti animal cruelty law being one of these, likely brought on by his mother's Buddhist piety. So yes, the women were more than capable of weilding indirect power, which is of course the best kind of power from the Japanese perspective.

  • @evolassunglasses4673
    @evolassunglasses4673 Жыл бұрын

    This is a brilliant channel.

  • @guilhemdemercia6523
    @guilhemdemercia6523 Жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately i belong to that unfortunate set of history enthusiasts who hang their knowledge of world history on paradox game's flavour events. I couldn't help but trace your narrative to a sequence of scripted events in EU4, covering the wakou pirates, the nanban ports, the ikko-ikki and kirishitan etc. I was one of the voters for this topic and i am glad to have heard your lecture and enjoyed it very much. I have that jansen book you cited since my university days a decade ago, i now plan on revisiting it.

  • @marcoeire44

    @marcoeire44

    Жыл бұрын

    I know Japanese history, geography, towns, and clans from playing 'Total War Shogun 2'

  • @j1555
    @j15554 ай бұрын

    This is the stream that allowed me to discover this great channel

  • @clmk28
    @clmk28 Жыл бұрын

    excellent broadcast

  • @johnscotthenryalanthomascl9824
    @johnscotthenryalanthomascl9824 Жыл бұрын

    Brilliant! Thank you!

  • @Epicrandomness1111
    @Epicrandomness1111 Жыл бұрын

    I entirely agree with the Edward I being the greatest English King. It's very poignant that the first English named King post-conquest would become 'Bretwalda', and that fact certainly wouldn't have been lost on him. How much detail are you planning to go into on the earliest bits of English history? It's my personal obsession and I'd love to see it well represented.

  • @alg7115

    @alg7115

    Жыл бұрын

    If you like Edward 1st I would highly recommend the book 'a great and terrible king'

  • @kiwikewl
    @kiwikewl Жыл бұрын

    Actually... would you ever consider a stream on your own personal views on historiography? Pet peeves, preferences and approaches? Perhaps referencing particular discreet historical events to help illustrate these?

  • @realrhetoric
    @realrhetoric Жыл бұрын

    I like your comparisons between France and Japan and look forward to hearing you develop them further in future streams. With regard to the merchants seeking to become (or otherwise becoming) nobility, there was a corollary to this in Japan. Perhaps you are right in asserting that it was anathema, but an anathema challenged nevertheless. Challenged, by a string of merchant academies in Osaka where the progeny of rich peasants and artisans, sake brewers, etc., were educated in the Confucian and Chinese classics. To a certain extent, they took a view of Confucianism that increased their status (that is another argument), but in a more basic sense, they simply took a title and became samurai as a result of their erudition in literary Sinitic. Such was the case of 頼春水 Shunsui Rai (1746 - 1816), friend of 松平 定信, Sadanobu Matsudaira, who left the successful Confucian Academy he founded in Osaka to take a job running Confucian education for the Asano family in Geishu-han. This ennobled Shunsui, giving him the rank of Samurai along with an annual stipend of 300 koku.

  • @paralleloctagon7062
    @paralleloctagon7062 Жыл бұрын

    250 years of such a degree of social peace that there are barely any political events to speak of from the Battle of Osaka until the Meiji Restoration (some early revolts aside) makes the Tokugawa period almost ahistorical as compared to the Europe of the time. At least within a national context, the Tokugawa political system does seem like the 'end of history' within a system of self-perpetuating socio-political order. What could be better?

  • @realityisenough
    @realityisenough Жыл бұрын

    Pronounciation of some basic words like shikoku are the only thing holding this back from excellence

  • @literallynothinghere9089
    @literallynothinghere90897 ай бұрын

    All of this makes it clear that Japan prospered because it was an isolated island fortress free of immeidate foreign threat

  • @fromtheOLDWorld
    @fromtheOLDWorld Жыл бұрын

    A lot of thanks to you @Apostolic Majesty,very enlightening emanation good sir.

  • @kiwikewl
    @kiwikewl Жыл бұрын

    Thanks again AM. Great stuff. Was wondering. Could you do a reccomend of your favourite Heterodox history books, essays and historians?

  • @alexhubble
    @alexhubble4 ай бұрын

    Very very good!

  • @8KoG8
    @8KoG8 Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely epic stream. AM woud you do a stream about the historisity of the Last Samurai film. That will be a good compliment to this stream I feel.

  • @albertito77
    @albertito77 Жыл бұрын

    You need to be on Spotify bro

  • @Mumon010
    @Mumon010 Жыл бұрын

    I'm giving this a like based on the first 35 seconds. I don't think AM will disappoint.

  • @AndrewB21
    @AndrewB21 Жыл бұрын

    On the origin of the word samurai, it's actually from the verb "saburau" which as you correctly state, means "to serve". The rest of the pronunciation aside, the "fu" at the end is actually not pronounced with the f. It is a case of standardized kana usage from that period where the "u" at the end of many verbs is written with the character for "fu". This seems to be a holdover from a much older form of the language where the h line "ha ho fu he ho" were all p's, meaning if the word had existed pre Nara, it would have been something like saburapu. In actuality, the word comes from a combination of the prefix sa (which seems to be no more than a particle used for emphasis, a bit like "ど" in modern Japanese) with "morau" (written "morafu") a shortened form of mamorau (mamorafu) "to protect". I know this is incredibly minor stuff that doesn't warrant a long comment, but I'm very fond of classical Japanese, and who knows, it might even spark you to brush up your pronunciation a bit!

  • @YusufNasihi

    @YusufNasihi

    Жыл бұрын

    On a linguistic side note, do you know if the L sound ever existed in classical or ancient Japanese? Modern Japanese is known for only having an R sound but it would be interesting if at some point the language did have a true L sound.

  • @AndrewB21

    @AndrewB21

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@YusufNasihi There's never been a differentiation in writing within a single ra-line sound, and so it seems unlikely that there was ever a split in pronunciation between r and l. We mostly know about the different pronunciations because of differences in character usage, as it turns out. For example, there is evidence within very very early Japanese writing that there were originally two "i" sounds. One was the normal "i" we're all used to from modern Japanese, and the other was a sort of "ui" sound (my professor used to tell me to think of how an Australian would say the word "league". It's the "ea" in that word.). This is how we know the Ainu word Kamuy (god) likely came from an early form of Japanese, and not the other way around, as we know the "i"i in "kami" used to be that "ui" sound. We apparently know this because there is a distinct split in the Chinese characters used to represent individual i sounds. They never had a single character that they used, and instead relied on a set of upwards of 30 or so possible characters that could represent a given sound, but incredibly, some i sounds were represented by one group of characters, while others were represented by a completely different set, even though they shared the same consonant. The only explanation is that there were two separate i sounds within the language. We also know that there was a "tu" rather than a "tsu", and IIRC "chi" used to be "ti". We also know that (after ti and tu became chi and tsu) the nigori'ed ぢ (dji) and づ (dzu) used to be pronounced differently from じ (ji) and ず (zu), but that change was lost some time in the middle ages (though it lives on in some very marginal island dialects). Japanese used to sound very different in Nara times and before to what it does now. Unfortunately though, it doesn't look like they even had an l sound.

  • @Deathrune14
    @Deathrune14 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent stream - thank you. Have you read James Clavell's Shogun, and if so, what do you think of his portrayal of Tokugawa Ieyasu ("Yoshi Toranaga" in the book)?

  • @odond36
    @odond36 Жыл бұрын

    Great stream but way too compact. I think this wiuld have deserved an entire series for 10+ hours

  • @justintabatabai8063
    @justintabatabai806320 күн бұрын

    Top king

  • @ingold1470
    @ingold1470 Жыл бұрын

    Was the Banzai charge a later manifestation of their disdain for the material world?

  • @marcoeire44

    @marcoeire44

    Жыл бұрын

    No, it was based on Bushido.

  • @marcoeire44

    @marcoeire44

    Жыл бұрын

    "Tenno Heika, Banzai" Long live the emperor

  • @tariz32

    @tariz32

    Жыл бұрын

    @@marcoeire44 Bushido is literally the opposite of the material world.

  • @user-vz1zc3fn7o
    @user-vz1zc3fn7o Жыл бұрын

    This stream is illegitimate.

  • @therandompersona

    @therandompersona

    Жыл бұрын

    It was a free and fair election.

  • @user-vz1zc3fn7o

    @user-vz1zc3fn7o

    Жыл бұрын

    @@therandompersona I agree. I wish AM respected its results.

  • @Anonymous-qi2zh

    @Anonymous-qi2zh

    Жыл бұрын

    NANI?!

  • @melfice999

    @melfice999

    Жыл бұрын

    you're all a bunch of weebs LMAO.

  • @21stcenturycotyk

    @21stcenturycotyk

    Жыл бұрын

    it was the safest and most fortified poll, speak not Poll Denier !

  • @cerdic6867
    @cerdic6867 Жыл бұрын

    @5:16 Completely wrong. The Hundred Years War in France may have facilitated internal peace in England, at least within the strictly English counties of England, on account of the rebellion of the Welsh which was sparked by France, but it did not prevent the neville/percy feud in the north which would eventually come to a head during the reign of Henry IV, and it caused absolute chaos in France, indeed technically the HYW began with a private dispute at saint sardos in 1322, throughout much of Aquitaine (the original borders stretching from Poitou to Auvergne) internal disputes would fuel the war itself, with sides aligning with the opposite of whatever their rival had. Theres a similar situation in Brittainy too with the rivalry for ducal inheritance. Plus throughout France there is the routier problem, which is a direct consequence of the HYW. Otherwise, decent stream.

  • @ApostolicMajesty

    @ApostolicMajesty

    Жыл бұрын

    I was referring to internal peace in England and external war in France (as compared to Japan and Korea). To describe this as "completely wrong" when you have already correctly deduced my tangential point about England during a stream on Japan seems like deliberate and disingenuous countersignalling.

  • @cerdic6867

    @cerdic6867

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@ApostolicMajesty It was possible to infer the point, but the wording used didnt even mention England and so was open to interpretation, and the point remains wrong, in this case anyways. Off of the top of my head there is Owain's welsh rebellion caused as a direct result of war with France, and among the English there is the peasant's revolt, Richard II alienating most of his magnates, culminating in the coup against Richard II which involved a campaign in Cheshire, and also the Percy rebellion in the reign of Henry IV. Furthermore the war wasnt even external, on account of Scotland, which launched constant raids and several failed invasions, as well as regular naval raids on the coasts of both sides. Edward III was a leader of great charisma and ability, as was Henry V, the existence of the war itself did not facilitate domestic accord, the personal ability of the King did.

  • @giraffediety2477
    @giraffediety2477 Жыл бұрын

    Allowing non-royal blood into the shogun's bloodline fixes some problems found in other monarchies. But how did the Japanese avoid the pitfalls of bringing random low class people into the ruling family? Put another way, it is amazing that these outsiders mark excellent in the line, rather than a nadir. Was there some other social mechanism that helped these gambles come up aces?

  • @Hruljina

    @Hruljina

    8 ай бұрын

    They did not marry commoners out of attraction but out of their extraordinary qualities or achievements. It was due to abilities of commoner that they were bred with.

  • @JinFX
    @JinFX Жыл бұрын

    Song China is pronounced more like the song in sing song, or sun, not soon.

  • @irishrepub84
    @irishrepub84 Жыл бұрын

    i prefer just this guy by far. the mixing of such different styles is inferior. its like a yale prof and bros lecturing at the same time. prof covering serious and thus more and bros constantly trying to make jokes or chuckle. and the trading off to double back over already covered stuff or just moving along is just slower. stutterry and the tempo gets fucked up. i like both styles just not at the same time. do separate

  • @RP-mm9ie
    @RP-mm9ie7 күн бұрын

    Ok😅

  • @rgcounts
    @rgcounts Жыл бұрын

    I was day drinking at an izakaya in Tokyo recently, and I told a Japanese man who approached me that what Japan needs is Tokugawa! He humored me a bit but just walked off at the end. Traditional Japan will rise again, even it it takes eight thousand generations! 🎌

  • @rhysnichols8608

    @rhysnichols8608

    5 күн бұрын

    There is a member of the Tokugawa family running in politics in Japan so he probably thought you were supporting that party

  • @davycrockett1112
    @davycrockett11126 ай бұрын

    1:31:00 put to your point here Am, Britain was often the Anti mainland European power force, so the function is similar in that way.

  • @Covertops2049
    @Covertops20494 ай бұрын

    How far Japan has fallen!

  • @rhysnichols8608

    @rhysnichols8608

    7 күн бұрын

    @@Covertops2049 eh at least it’s still 99.5% Japanese

  • @hanshazlitt4535
    @hanshazlitt4535 Жыл бұрын

    Heterodox history podcast? Like the dangerous history podcast minus Jew shilling?

  • @lemokemo5752
    @lemokemo5752 Жыл бұрын

    Whether it was perfected feudalism or not, is perhaps not certain. However, the weebism in this video is.

  • @vorynrosethorn903
    @vorynrosethorn903 Жыл бұрын

    A weeabo is someone who idolises Japanese popular culture and attempts to ape a caricatured vision of the country while knowing about as much about it as American Harry Potter fans likely know about the UK. The are also associated with spreading historical nonsense and disinformation such as the old 'Katana is the best sword ever and can cut through tanks with its one billion fold super steel', the weeb is also associated with neckbeards, porn addicts and people who oppose ages of consent. This lecture was probably too sympathetic to this period of Japan, there were very serious moral evils. Mass infanticide was perhaps even more common than in China and children were very commonly sold, boys to nonce monks and girls to brothels (with the system being the basis of the WW2 comfort women system, which likely gives you an idea of how horrific it was), indeed among the common classes of society children weren't considered human until 7 years old.

  • @defenestratorX

    @defenestratorX

    Жыл бұрын

    That is very much true, but with that said I still very much have fallen in love with Tokugawa Shogunate time period at least aesthetically.

  • @funicon3689

    @funicon3689

    10 ай бұрын

    who's opposing the age of consent??

  • @vorynrosethorn903

    @vorynrosethorn903

    10 ай бұрын

    @@funicon3689 People impeded by it usually.

  • @omgjimmyboy

    @omgjimmyboy

    Ай бұрын

    UK? You mean Northern Ireland? Wales? Scotland? Why don’t you just say England? Scots don’t refer to themselves as the UK, why must only the English do this? Anytime someone says the UK when referring to England they denigrate English history.

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