Pretty sure this Boxster has been upbadged. The S decal has been added later. An S would have a 6 speed transmission, white faced gauges, and a third center radiator.

@KenCarTechMeow

Жыл бұрын

Yep, that's not an S.

@iainmcglynn833

Жыл бұрын

Red callipers , twin exhaust, 6 speed Third radiator Mine both had 18 carerra alloys , 911 suspension and brakes too But this is sweet

@jeffleach2668

Жыл бұрын

The Boxster S also came with an insulated convertible top.

@chipswenson2102

Жыл бұрын

correct also the Boxster S had twin exhaust tips

@PaulPhoenix2010

Жыл бұрын

Don't see the opening for a third radiator, not an S

This came about due to cost cutting. You see, Porsche designed the M96 flat 6 engine with one cylinder head. That's right, it has two banks of cylinders but only one cylinder head....Part number. What that means is that a head can be mounted on either bank. The problem: The chain drive to the double overhead cams is at one end of the head. To make the same head fit on the other side, now you have to have chain drives at both ends of the crankshaft. Porsche got around this by having a shaft that runs underneath the crankshaft [intermediate shaft] that transmits torque to the other end of the engine to drive the set of cam gears near the transmission, I while having another chain at the accessory end to drive the other head. At the accessory end of the engine, near the alternator, this shaft uses a plain bearing that has oil flowing to it. However, the end of the shaft near the transmission has a ball bearing that is sealed and internally lubricated with grease. In time, the seal fails, motor oil gets in, washes away the grease, and the bearing is quickly ruined. When it fails all together, the intermediate shaft starts whipping around wildly and quickly destroys the entire engine. Porsche tried different bearings, and the last years of the M96's production run really didn't have this problem. And there are several aftermarket solutions to the problem as well, though those are $4000+. These cars are great, and if you find a good one on the cheap without the mod, it is a reasonable expense to spend the money and make it right by replacing the IMS bearing with a permanent solution. Porsche's hold their value quite well, after all. Great video!

@rachelgreen1368

Жыл бұрын

Its not a real Porsche. Just a cheap imitation, like imitation crabmeat.

@Flies2FLL

Жыл бұрын

@@rachelgreen1368 You're not a real person. Just a cheap imitation, like surimi~ [Bet you didn't catch the little "dig".....]

@rambleon2838

Жыл бұрын

Can't imagine that solution was cheaper than casting another cylinder head. Well, maybe it was by using a cheap bearing and save a nickle.

@thunderc4s

Жыл бұрын

Don’t waste your time. Get a turbo or GT3 version with a real engine.

@jonsimmons4150

Жыл бұрын

Nickle and dime engine design

The IMS issue is the reason I bought a MR2 Spyder . When I retired I wanted another two seater to run around in .I started doing my research and I was not going to gamble . Saved a bunch of money and the Toyota has doubled in price since I purchased in 2013 .Great video .

As a Boxster S owner I have tried to find something to upgrade to within my budget and I simply can’t find anything that can compete with the handling and fun factor this car delivers.

@computercrack

Жыл бұрын

​@That V8 Life he didn't say anything about the boxster in this video he just said he owns one.

@hughmann1908

Жыл бұрын

I love my Cayman S, probably the best drivers car!

@kkalauli23

Жыл бұрын

Lol what! Typical my car would eat this car up for quarter the price

@computercrack

Жыл бұрын

@That V8 Life dude you seriously lack in reading and comprehending skills. I do NOT own a Boxster and the commenter you were mocking didn't say a single word about the Boxster in this video!

@darylwalford8697

Жыл бұрын

@That V8 Life Where does he say that? He doesn't even mention the car in the video.

Ive always loved how Porsche kept that traditional VDO style guage cluster. Just has authentic sportscar substance about it.

I can testify that the Boxster is an amazingly fun car to drive. Even the older ones are a riot. Would love to get one of the newer ones w/ 350hp and see what it can do.

What a beautiful example of a Boxster! The owner should be commended, really nice!

I came across a video a long time ago mentioning that the majority of the IMS failures seemed to occur in the northern areas of North America, these engines don't like the cold weather. People don't properly warm them up and cause improper cylinder wall lubrication in cylinders 5 and 6, causing an imbalance or stress on the crankshaft that leads to IMS failure. Some guy that did a lot of 911 auction purchases, noticed that the 911 with IMS failures where coming from New York State, Northern California, Canada, etc.

@mikedx2706

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't get that cold in Northern California.

@waynekaminski5438

Жыл бұрын

Very few parts of Northern California get as cold as New York or Canada.

@plektosgaming

Жыл бұрын

Most drivers in North America tend to have these in half hour long traffic jams, slowly crawling around in city traffic, or are somehow thinking they will break it if they rev it harder than their old Buick. So the car which is designed to be revved hard simply starves for oil by barely being over idle most of the time. Especially when cold, as you mentioned. The old RX-8 also had the same issue (though different design). It had to be revved hard to run properly. Anything less was essentially lugging the engine and not lubricating the seals enough.

@CatzRuleZWorld

Жыл бұрын

Are you sure that video wasn't about bore scoring? There was a vinwiki with the same exact conclusion except about bore scoring, not IMS bearing.

IMS bearing is the least of a problem those engines do really have have. IMS, VarioCamF1 pads, Air to Oil Separator, several vacuum leaks, water pumps, cracked heads, and the worse of them all...the problem ALL will have soon or later is the bore score if it's a late 98' and on... Including the 997 and 987. Had a 996 already with that cancer and got rid of it as fast as I could.

@TheOldMachines

Жыл бұрын

The Porsche bore scoring really is unforgivable. Literally affects all of their cars for a 10+ year production period

@jimamizzi1

Жыл бұрын

What’s the best year to buy one?

@jeffreyspencer4005

Жыл бұрын

@@TheOldMachines The 3.2L out of the Boxster S is not known for bore scoring, although the 3.4L from the 911 definitely is...

@fabssgarage

Жыл бұрын

@@jimamizzi1 1997 to mid 1998. With full service history. Engines from that production range had cast pistons and are the "good" ones (or less bad ones). Late 98 untill the 997's 3.8 ALL will be having bore score. Check out PCA's channel and look for a 4 video saga talking about the M96 and M97 engines headache. I sold my 996 on time as I can't live with such a ticking bomb so I just bought a c5 Manual Vette and stay reliable for ever lol and I love it also. Cheers!

@fabssgarage

Жыл бұрын

@@TheOldMachines exactly. That's why I sold mine when I realized mine was affected. Bought a mint C5 Corvette and it's a awesome good damn relief!!!

I did see a YT video where a BUSHING was installed in place of the forward IMS bearing. An oil feed line is introduced from a new flange that is installed between the oil filter fitting and the oil filter. The oil feed line off of that FLANGE is then is routed down through the edge of the bell housing (some minor grinding to open the space for the feed line; a rubber grommet installed in this small cutout to surround the feed line and avoid metal to metal abrasion) to the housing of the bushing. The bushing itself has a small groove to facilitate oil flow. Basically, this mod removes the risk of the IMS bearing seal failure. To my recollection, the time and materials for this job is in the range of $2500.

@peterduxbury927

Жыл бұрын

I saw this Mod on Wheeler Dealers.

@davidt3464

Жыл бұрын

It's not really a bushing, it's a standard oil fed bearing like all the crank and cam bearings in most cars use. Big improvement, but its a buck or two to do the job.... ;)

@boyracer3477

Жыл бұрын

@@davidt3464 Yeah, that's what I was thinking. This is the gold standard replacement.

@jb678901

Жыл бұрын

@@davidt3464 OK. The guy in the video called it a bushing. However, your explanation makes a lot of sense to me.

New to the channel for a couple months and appreciate the time, expertise, and honesty the Wizard provides. I went back to some early videos and both Mr and Mrs Wizard were featured. Bring back the Mrs to be in front of the camera as well! Y'all's banter and chemistry together in front of the camera adds to the infotainment of a great service y'all provide.

The exceptions are the GT2 and 3 cars plus the 3.6L Turbo cars. These use a different motor known as the Metzger Engine, which does not suffer from the IMS Bearing problem.

@ToyotaAristo

Жыл бұрын

This is a really reliable car if you take care of the IMS. After owning Lexus and Toyota dropping the engine for Timing covers leak, head gasket issue, corroded blocks, scoring and oil burning.... the IMS issue is not a big deal on this car... Replace it and enjoy a fun car.

Interesting factoid: The structure from the rear edge of the door forward on this Boxster is nearly exactly the same as the same section on Hoovie's 911 Turbo in the background. On a Boxster, the engine is behind the seats and the transmission pokes rearward, while on the 911 the engine is in the rear bumper and the transmission pokes forward. Basically, the whole powertrain is turned 180 degrees. The Boxster has a trunk but no rear seats while the 911 has rear seats but no trunk. The two cars were designed at the same time and use the same forward structure, exactly. That 911 Turbo? That car doesn't have the IMS bearing issue because it is a Mezger engine, not related to the M96 in the Boxster.

@plektosgaming

Жыл бұрын

The IMS upgrade/fix is absolutely mandatory on these. Yes, it's a 3-4K bill (minus the other stuff you find - lol) but it saves you an entire engine. Everyone buys these cheap and hopes for a miracle. There is none. Replace it as soon as you buy it and budget for the upgrade as part of the buying process.

The boxster S has other issues other than the IMS bearing like bore scoring.

@stone8597

Жыл бұрын

Not all have bore scoring...the "base" models don't have that problem...only he "S's". Check Jake Raby of Flat Six Innovations...he does an excellent job of explaining the problem.

@mikedx2706

Жыл бұрын

Along with bore scoring, the M96 family of engines also suffer from cylinders that actually crack. The engines were not made with cylinder liners, but the expensive LN Engineering fix is to bore out the blocks and install new metal "nickie" cylinder sleeves.

@timprice5

Жыл бұрын

Bore score is mostly related to the 987 3.4 engines, as they had forged pistons rather than cast pistons on the 2.7 and 3.2 cars. Bore score is very uncommon on 2.7 and 3.2 M96 engines.

@organiccold

Жыл бұрын

Done 300k miles in one and never caused me any issues.

@jeffreyspencer4005

Жыл бұрын

@@stone8597 it's the 3.4L with forged pistons that has the big problem. the 2.5L, 2.7L and 3.2L are relatively unaffected...

And this is why you see so many Boxters for sale at $10k or less.

@jeffreyspencer4005

Жыл бұрын

Not lately, you don't!

Actually you have greater chance of getting cancer than IMS failure. Our 2002 996 had 190K miles with original IMS before it got totaled in an accident.

@stone8597

Жыл бұрын

I heard stories like this, and didn't do anything, unti in 2017 the IMS in my 987 blew up. Good luck.

@niacal4nia

Жыл бұрын

​@@stone85973%-5% failure rate but the problem is some replace the bearing at low mileage with a defective bearing.

Great video. A 986 S also has the exact same brakes and 6-speed manual transmission of a 996 Carrera. It has a 3.2L flat 6 instead of a 3.4L, so it gives up some power but has the better balanced midengined layout. I own both a 986 S and a 997 coupe. Dirty secret: the Boxster is more fun than the 911. 🤭

@boyracer3477

Жыл бұрын

I sure love my 986S. I don't know what I'd do with more power. This car responds immediately and goes like hell. It corners like a go-cart on rails.

The Boxster was out 2 years before the 996. So the Boxster didn't copy the 996, it was out first.

As an owner of a 996 it’s better to send your oil in and have it analyzed for material. I do it once a a year. The low mileage cars are the ones you have to be worried about because they can fail without notice; even checking the oil filter. I pulled my IMS bearing at 134k and it was in perfect condition but since I was doing the clutch it made sense to just do it. Plus LN Engineering gives you a warranty.

@boyracer3477

Жыл бұрын

What did your IMS bearing cost? I need to do mine for peace of mind.

@scotturich

Жыл бұрын

@@boyracer3477 clutch, flywheel, rms, ims. Was about 6k. Parts around 3k

@pistonburner6448

Жыл бұрын

Many owners also have a magnetic oil plug so any flakes might gather there as evidence. It's not 100%, but it's a cheap thing to do so why not. I absolutely agree with sending in samples, but I wouldn't rely on only that: I'd get the IMS bearing fix done. I used to rely only on my Porsche warranty, but as that warranty limit approached I sold the car.

@lindsaydobson

11 ай бұрын

LN say their bearing needs changing ever 6 years. I've got a '98 so I've got the dual row bearing - the IMSB failing isn't something I worry about

Very good advice, that's what I do with my 2002 986, so far no glitter🙂 My research suggests that the actual failure rate of IMS bearings is approx 4% so it's nowhere near as bad as many claim. A very fun car for the money and in my experience very reliable if well maintained. My car has done 95,000 kms and will be having the IMS replaced if and when I need to replace the clutch, might as well do it when the gearbox is already removed.

@stephencurry8552

Жыл бұрын

Daryl: This guy claims to be awesome. I have not seen anything he has done that is superior. Gins up titles for views.

@boyracer3477

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Most people exaggerate it because they don't know anything else cool about Porsches.

@mwh3227

Жыл бұрын

I doubt if it is even 4%! Problems will occur in any car that has a tendency to sit for long periods of time. My Boxster is a 2000 base! I drive it at least a couple of times a month (or more)! When I drive, I don't baby it at all! Change the oil at regular intervals! Use only good quality motor oils! Drive it like you stole it! They are great cars! I'd like to see concrete statistics on IMS failures, but I doubt seriously if anyone has been keeping track? How would you gather this information anyway?

@y.t.928

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I have a 99 with 180,000 miles on it and to my knowledge the IMS has never been done. Granted this model year has a dual row bearing which really is better. Some people say the IMS issue is ginned up to sell solutions. I don’t know enough to have an opinion. All cars have their issues, with my 928 it’s thrust bearing failure.

@stephencurry8552

Жыл бұрын

@@mwh3227 Exactly!

@13:25. Wizards' face saying "eewww!! oil!!!". lol

@alexcallas8222

Жыл бұрын

Don't know why he chooses to not wear mechanics disposable rubber gloves. Takes a lot less time to put on than to clean your fingernails and hands covered with carcinogenic used motor oil.

Damn wizard really did the Soyak pointing meme for the thumbnail

Love how dedicated the owner must be, the 986 looks amazing!

My friend had one the oil pump failed they changed the eingine for free it was still under warranty it ran great for years. You rock

I think the thing you referred to as a CD changer is actually just CD storage. 😘

@riquester1971

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for addressing that. I thought it was a changer too. Mine has this as well but I never tried it out coz I don't have CD's anymore. And I don't want to listen to anything except that little flat six anyways. ;)

@darylwalford8697

Жыл бұрын

Interesting, mine has an aftermarket Alpine head unit but the car came with the factory head unit and the cd thing, I wondered why there were no connectors on the back of it, now I know🙂

I was a couple hundred miles short of a failure on my 97 986. I had the clutch done. When they pulled the transmission off the IMS bearing fell on the floor.

@herrfinke1

Жыл бұрын

WOW! Was it making any noise prior?

@lindsaydobson

11 ай бұрын

Yikes - out of interest, what was your mileage?

This is exactly what happened to my son when he bought a Boxster: bad IMS bearing

I had the pleasure of going the Porsche HQ in Stuttgart and getting a ride in the "new" Boxster S with a test driver on the company's test track, back in 2005. Yes, this car handles incredibly well. No where near the speed of the Turbo X50...but damn...it really handles well.

@boyracer3477

Жыл бұрын

Price, Price, Price

@pistonburner6448

Жыл бұрын

Hehe, I got my base 987 directly from Porsche HQ and took it to the Nürburgring. I was in a track session on the GP track (not the Nordschleife) where an old guy with a X50 Turbo tried to keep me behind but skills>power and after a few laps I managed to pass him... His wife gave me a wave as the session ended, I think she appreciated him being put in his placed regarding driving skill so he'd cool his ego a bit and drive safer on the roads. Then later on the Nordschleife I passed a 997 GT3 and then after the lap the owner wanted to buy me a beer as I'd passed them while his son was driving and apparently the appreciation was the same: humbling the young guy, proving that driving skill matters more than how fast daddy's car is in theory. (I don't consider it a 'race' even when driving on track, these conclusions and 'competitive' match-ups were only revealed after the sessions by the other drivers/passengers, and I'd drive the same, just as safely and with margin to spare no matter what the situation is.)

I tell my friends ,yes you can afford a used Porsche, but can you afford to keep it running 🤷🏽‍♂️ 1 major malfunction and bankruptcy might be your next stop!😂🤣😂

That thumbnail was hilarious, I had a good chuckle from it.

I always check the filter on my 2.5 986. Found nothing so far. But I will use this white bucket Gold panning technique in future. ❤

If the IMS haven't been upgraded, it is a good idea to attend to it when a new clutch is needed.. also do the upgraded original RMS part too.. maybe the 1% failure rate is true.. but those 1% is a total destruction.. better to change IMS before the shavings at all shows up.. what has been clogged up inside the engine with metal shavings??

You are right about the IMS issue. But otherwise its a bit confusing and sort of mixed up. The first interior shown (5 dial dash, eg) is that of a 996 (911). And I doubt if the yellow 986 (Boxter) is an S - would be a six speed, eg.

That is no boxster s A boxster s has 175mph on the clock and a S in the cluster aswell as red calipers, boxster S on the sill when you get in and 6 speed

@chrishenley3218

Жыл бұрын

Correct. Also there should be a center radiator at the front bumper.

You had me at "piss off the Porsche purists" 🤣

I always put on a padded wheel cover not just to protect the original, but it makes my hands and fingers comfortable on long drives.

When you were doing the interior review, I was wondering why the car had 5-pod gauges and assumed the owner had done a 911 gauge cluster swap. Then the Car Wizard makes the big reveal that we were looking at Hoovie's car... it all makes sense. :)

That's a 2.7. Somebody just added the S badge. Common 'upgrade'. Proper S has a centre radiator, silver finish to parking brake & door trims, white dials to the instruments, dual exhaust tips instead of the current 'oval' as on this car. I hope the current owner doesn't think he bought an S 😮

I really enjoyed working on my previous Boxsters. Basic maintenance was somewhat easy. I’ve spoken to a few Porsche Service Advisors who all said the IMS issues were all overblown and less than 1% failure rate. Who knows if they were being honest but I consider myself lucky I never had an issue.

@igglybiggly6951

Жыл бұрын

I've heard the same.I've owned a 2000 996 since 2010 with the original IMS, to my knowledge. Bought with 53k and now has 105k. I do oil change services yearly or every 5k.Never an issue

@andrewbryl4879

Жыл бұрын

@@igglybiggly6951 I think the oil change interval and frequency is a bigger deal than what is discussed. Many owners who had zero IMS issues all said they were never late or behind on oil changes. I was always 7,500 miles and never had anything but relatively clean oil.

@benjaminlusskin3211

11 ай бұрын

@@igglybiggly6951 Tick,tick,tick...

@benjaminlusskin3211

11 ай бұрын

@@andrewbryl4879 The IMS bearing is sealed with grease. There is no oil that lubricates it that's the problem. The fix kit turns it into a oil lubricated bearing.

@benjaminlusskin3211

11 ай бұрын

@@andrewbryl4879 The IMS bearing does not get lubricated by oil that's the problem with them. They are backed with grease and sealed.

7:00: the dashboard could have been replaced with a 996 cab's one (5 dials). Easy to do, the parts are physically compatible and the 996 dashboard just require a software flash.

IMHO, if you see metal in the filter, it is already too late. Of course, the early 986's had a double row IMS bearings which had a considerable lower failure rate. Still, that isn't much comfort if it is your Boxster with the blown engine.

@boyracer3477

Жыл бұрын

The early early ones. Prior to 2000 your good. I don't remember the specifics but in 2000 they changed the cam, I think as part of the hp increase and had to cut the width of the IMS bearing to make it fit. Then in like 05 they put in a beefier 2 row. I think.

@daviddapra4028

Жыл бұрын

@@boyracer3477 My personal 2000 2.7 had a double row bearing.

My one complaint about Porsches is that no matter how much you spend, or what model you are always "blessed" with switch blanks. Spend six figures on a car with blanks (not that I can) would frustrate me......

@boyracer3477

Жыл бұрын

It's a small thing and it keep the prices way down. Don't like it, spend Ferrari money.

@benjaminlusskin3211

11 ай бұрын

They do that to up sell you more "Options" They purposely make the base wheels and seats ugly so you will buy the "upgrades" Brilliant Social engineering!!!

I believe less than 5% of 986s had IMS failure, but the damage was done. My 986 had 54,000 miles on OEM IMS with no problems. But I replaced it to sell it.

These are the only Porsches that i have driven. A 96 or 97 and 2001. I love these. Never afford one. They handle like a dream. These are the forgotten Porsches. You don't see many anymore. Only thing i dont like. Is access to the engine. Holy cow.🤑😉🤩❤

@romulus_

Жыл бұрын

I see them around quite a bit here in the bay area. usually driven by people in their 50s-60s, which makes me think a lot of them are the original owner or got one close to when they came out.

Some Porsche 997.1s also have IMS bearing problems.

@timprice5

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but bore score on those engines is much more of a threat on the 997.1, particularly the Carrera S models with the 3.8

Whoever suggested the wizard do a wojak face for the thumbnail, bravo 👏👏👏

Hey Wizard & Mrs Wizard, thanks for sharing another interesting video!!! 👍👍🙂

I have my own 02 986. I have upgraded the ims bearing. Though the one I pulled out was in flawless condition. But I'm glad I put it in for the peace of mind.

Nice car Wizard. Thanks for the info 😊

The reason 986s are good deals is because of the IMS problem. Even replacing the IMS doesn't increase value much, but it does make selling one easier.

Somebody upbadged that base model Boxster 😄

Love the DS in the background.

Well, nitpicking, the gauge cluster is quite different from the six gauges of the 911 to the far more basic four gauge cluster of the Boxster but as you pointed out thats it........

I always take a look at my 2000 Boxster S oil filter when doing an oil and filter change. However I cut mine open and look from the inside like the inset photo you showed. The oil flows from the engine into the center of the filter then out. So by looking at the outside of the filter like Dave did is not really effective. By the way my Boxster has not given me any problems except I had to replace a $30 tumbler for the ignition switch however it does only have 62000km or 38000 miles.

Nice to see that you and the missus can actually pronounce Porsche correctly....the guy on Car Wow can't and he's around them all the time !!

I just change mine every 8 years or 40k miles with a sachs clutch- I just buy an skf c3 6204 bearing which has more tolerance if the housing is slightly warped than a C4, and that does not have the rubber seals - it gets oiled by the splash back - it is rated higher than the factory bearing - with a sachs clutch £350 - bearing and factory seals £150 - my porsche tech changes me for £450 - his done it that many times he can do it in a few hours - might add ive owned three ims 3.6 cars and not one has ever grenaded on me.

Wizard if you use a red solo cup over the filter when you take it off.. it will fill up the cup and not get all over your hands...nice and neat.

Thank you for the tip about ims detection. I'll do that immediately on my 986 from 1998. Hope the tip is universal... also for 2.5 with double rows bearing 😊

@DukeofDave

Жыл бұрын

Double row bearings don't fail...

@jarespeoples554

Жыл бұрын

​@@DukeofDave Hey Dave are you sure bro? I have the same car and have had it like forever. It has 95k miles but I have been real fearful of the worst. Can your statement be verified somewhere or do you have personal knowledge from owning one?

@DukeofDave

Жыл бұрын

@@jarespeoples554 I owned a 996 from 1998. Even LN engineering (who sell the upgrade part) say it's a 1% failure rate on the double row / pre 2000 M96 engine. Its a moving part so obviously subject to wear and tear and not a horrible idea to replace it....but these horror stories are blown out of proportion... Show me another 25 year old sports car where you wouldn't recommend checking the oil carefully!

Fun fact, Built in Finland, in the same factory that made SAAB convertibles.

I've driven my '08 Cayman S every day for over 9 years and it's over 110,000 miles. Track day, autocross. It's been a great car. Repairs have been reasonable. I've done them all as it's not a bad car to work on. I just don't worry about this problem.

@benjaminlusskin3211

11 ай бұрын

Wow so how long does it take you to take out the engine? You should be good at it by now!

Those tires are great for throwing the car around the corners as they grip really great but the mileage wear is quick.

@jarespeoples554

Жыл бұрын

James I agree with you on this one about the tires but I don't drive the Porsche too much to worry about the wear.

A good way to tell a Boxster dash from a 911 dash is that the Boxster has a more of a modern script on the numbers of the tach and speedo. Funny because a less expensive car has a, in my opinion, a more "fancy" instrument cluster but with 2 less dials...

Love these cars, and their notorious IMS Bearing failure is one of my favorite shit-design stories to tell about car design. Very exciting and great video as always, Wizard.

@darylwalford8697

Жыл бұрын

The failure rate is approx 4% so in the automotive world not such a "shit design" afterall especially compared to many other car manufacturers epic failures.

@stephencurry8552

Жыл бұрын

Affected 5 per cent of them.

@boyracer3477

Жыл бұрын

Which is why people who don't know much about 986s always bring it up to sound smart. Kind of like people who try to sound knowledgeable about wine love to bad mouth Merlots. They are great wines.

@stephencurry8552

Жыл бұрын

Panah: You own a Porsche? No, no you do not. I do.

@briandow2974

Жыл бұрын

Buy a 987.2 or newer if you want to avoid the issue.

my 996 Gen 1 w/ 53K miles was updated w/ a LN Engineering Ceramic IMS @ 50K miles. Also, all new external engine parts w/ clutch, pressure plate, AOS, water pump etc~~.. while engine out service. My car is now good for over 150K miles easily..

The Wheeler Dealers show did the mod with the kit to assure proper lubrication of this bearing.

Wiz my 2.5 now done 111k miles regular oil and filter changed every 6k uses about a mug of oil each service. Always use Mobil 1 fs as recommended by manufacture the 986 is now twenty four years old. My tip on any engine allow unit to warm up properly before you turn up the six taps it runs smooth and quiet doing 35mpg

15:45 if the filter catches metal. The oil pump is not pumping it through the engine.

I have a 1999 986. The older 986 uses a dual row IMS bearing which has a lower failure rate. Mine is at 95k miles and no glitter or anything in the oil. The clutch is starting to get to the end of its life so out of caution and because im already there ill do the IMS bearing replacement along with the clutch.

Completely did not mention BORE SCORING ISSUES...Very common with the 1997 thru 2007 models... Starting to lose it...

Yah I’ve got a 2002 Boxster S and that’s not one. The S will have the 3.2 engine. And, as previously stated, 6 speed and chrome gauges. Been a good car over all! I’m changing the oil this week and will do what he suggested. I’ve also got a magnetic drain plug in it to pick up anything and give me, hopefully a warning. I’ve heard that approximately 8% of the cars will have the IMS bearing issues. Car is easy to work on and definitely a good deal for an entry level Porsche. I love the looks too. Timeless.

@robertbelardo7087

Жыл бұрын

You can do the IMS bearing upgrade which will take care of the issue.

If the IMS doesn’t get you the bore scoring will🤷‍♂️ You would think that this was Porsche’s first attempt at a flat six. The shame, the shame!🤣

Hahaha I laught so hard on your thumbnail. Its exactly like "o my gosh" meme hahaha

12:51 Most 986, 987.1, 996 and 997.1 owners I know bought magnetic oil plugs as well. Some got the tell-tale metal shavings caught by the magnet in the oil plug.

My Porsche of decades ago was that yellow color. I agree with you.

Very nice 2,7l! The colour combo is very nice.

it may only be a small part ,,, but then again a crank thrust washer isnt huge either. What about bore score ,,, and it turns up free.

Still enjoying my 997.2 series 911 that I bought used in 2019. By late in the 997 series there weren’t any IMS issues.

$25K in potential damage! I bought a brand new Toyota for $25K.

@ToyotaAristo

Жыл бұрын

And then your Toyota has the 2GR/2AZ with the Head gasket issues and your block now is corroded and useless and you need 8k in a new block plus the labor or the valve cover leaking issue and you still need to drop the engine out of the car or you bought a Tacoma with the self destructive chassis congratulations.

@ToyotaAristo

Жыл бұрын

Just replace the bearing is not that big of a deal or buy the next generation of Boxster those are one of the best Porsches ever made. Absolutely great handling cars.

@AnabolicAsylum

Жыл бұрын

@@ToyotaAristo I really love Porsches, but I love early retirement more.

@AnabolicAsylum

Жыл бұрын

@@ToyotaAristo Corolla with the older 1.8 liter that has been updated over time and proven reliable for almost 2 decades.

@ToyotaAristo

Жыл бұрын

@@AnabolicAsylum yes Mercedes from the 90s could also drive 1 million miles. But then again.. you are comparing a 90hp Corolla against a 2 seater "luxury" roadster... Even the MR2 has its oil burning and various issues. Commuters will always be more reliable than Performance cars.

The IMS is really only a problem on cars made from the middle of the 2000 MY to about 2005 which use the 'single-row' bearing. The early cars used a much stronger bearing that is not prone to failure. The reason Porsche changed the bearing are the subject of debate to this day. I have heard... -The factory that made the original double-row bearings had a fire. -Cost. -The double-row bearing was considered too noisy. This bearing should absolutely be replaced on any 986 or 996 from 2000-2005, but some cars have soldiered on with their original single-row bearings for well over 100,000 miles.

It's an issue with 987.1 and 997.1 as well (except 997.1 Turbo). Some claim that when the base (non-S) 987.1 got the slight update to the 245hp version of the engine that the IMS is no longer an issue, but that's not true either. The slightly modified bearing design only very slightly helped the bearing survive but the basic design fault remains and many of those bearings have also failed destroying the engine, so it's definitely still an issue. Only the 987.2 and 997.2 models with the direct injection engines finally had the design changed so that the IMS no longer is a ticking time bomb.

Wizard panning for gold, no gold in this mine! Better luck next time!

Porsche pars. I remember needing to replace the turn-indicator/high beam switch-lever on my 912 years ago. The parts counterman at the VW-Porsche dealership brought me two boxes, each having a replacement switch assembly that I needed. He asked me which one I wanted; the one of the left, a Porsche part, was 4 times the price of the one on the right, a VW part. He then opened both boxes and we inspected the contents...same mold marks, same color, same wiring bundle, identical molded branding. I chose the box on the right.

I have replaced probably 100 ims bearings throughout the years. Porsche actually increased the size of the bearing in later years without increasing the size of the hole in the crank case so the bearing can not be removed without splitting the cases. Luckily a company came out with a case boring system that allows anyone to bore out the ims opening in the case and replace the bearing. The system runs around $2000 and it can be rented for $500 with a $2000 credit card deposit.

@lindsaydobson

11 ай бұрын

Of the failed IMS bearings you saw - can I ask how many were pre-2000 (dual row IMS)

That's not an actual Boxster S. Wheels are wrong, the calipers would be red, it doesn't have the dual exhaust etc. It's a regular Boxster.

Off-topic: I could only dream of my wheels looking that clean lol! What brand brake pads is that guy running? I have a non-ceramic braked 2009 997 Turbo and the OEM pads put out so much dust, it is ridiculous! Any recommendations Wizard?

I paid $3,200 for new IMS and clutch with a Porsche dealer in 2016. Probably add at least $1,000 to that number today.

Remove the inner seal on the bearing and change the oil every 12 months. Simples The ceramic bearing you mentioned only has a life of 4 years and 50k. I just replaced mine at 170k , came out perfect.

Wizard, love your channel! IMS issue aside and agree with you on it’s poor design, I believe another thing we have to understand, is the Boxster helped save Porsche. Porsche was on its ass in the early nineties. In the U.S., sales in 1986 were just over 30,000. Come 1993 they only sold 3,728. Porsche knew they had to do something. After the Boxster concept was shown at the 1993 Detroit Auto Show to rave reviews the decision was made. We must also note the historical legacy the Boxster maintains. From the first 356-001 prototype to both the 550 Spyder and RS60 race cars, to the not much loved 914 (it raced at Lemans in 1970), the Boxster continues with the “mid engine race car”legacy. Let’s not kid ourselves, we all know what the 911 GT1 was derived from (for the FIA GT Championship). Your observation about the front of the 911 (996) and Boxster were to help keep initial costs down for their 1996/1997 model year introduction. By the way, your tip on using “Stabilant” for the Boxster airbag light issue is a lifesaver! Thank you!

@pistonburner6448

Жыл бұрын

Ironically the Boxster saved the company, but the dire financial situation is also why the Boxster was designed so poorly and with so many corners cut. (Same applies to 996.)

@benjaminlusskin3211

11 ай бұрын

Funny to think the Miata saved Porsche! As the Boxster was a response to the Miata. Love my 96 Miata picked it up last year its got 115,000 miles on it and just needed a new radiator $100 and fluids good as new. I inspected the suspension and saw that all the factory rubber bushings are still crack free and not hard. Its all about materials folks the Japanese did their home work on the polymer engineering all the plastics don't rot in 7 years. Mine is 27 years still runs great. go look at Hoovies Garage about the Miata he got on Car Issues. He gushes about the reliability.

So a ims bearing is a maintenance item. So if you are buying a used Porsche with a IMS bearing ask if it's been replaced to determine the price you pay. If they have no proof that it's been replaced its probably a good idea to say "I'm not interested!"

Ma'am concentric means on the same axis, The gauges are interlocking rings.

I owned a 986 2.7 for a couple of years. Awesome to drive but I never liked the rear styling much.

Not an S. Stolen valor. It’s a 5 speed 2.7 without white faced gauges. A mechanic should have known that. Also, you need to cut open and stretch out the oil filter pleats for inspection AND oil analysis.

I’ve driven 50,000 miles in my ‘99 996 over the past 6 years. I did the IMS update and haven’t had any issues. These are great cars but they cost a bit more to maintain than a Japanese car. It seems the cars that get driven and are maintained have the fewest issues. As nice as this Boxster S is, I’d still take a higher-mileage example with great service over it.

@boyracer3477

Жыл бұрын

How much did your IMS bearing cost? Someone above quoted $6K and that seems high to me.

@davidquinn9676

Жыл бұрын

@@boyracer3477 yes Porsches are meant to be driven. But that was expensive on my old 911 with solid lifters that had to be adjusted every 8 or 10K miles.

@boyracer3477

Жыл бұрын

Higher mileage cars also will have seats that have more wear, carpets that have more wear. Hinges on your doors have more wear, on the 985/996 cars, little plastic thing in the cockpit break, suspension gets loose. If you replace these things as they tire, you're good. But few people do. I'll take my 50K mile 986.

@benjaminlusskin3211

11 ай бұрын

What is your idea of a "bit more to maintain"?

I have an ‘08 987.1 (2.7), and we are still under the same threat. I change the oil yearly, or 12-monthly (whichever is sooner), and it still runs sweetly.

@jarespeoples554

Жыл бұрын

Sooo yeah I am in the same boat. I have had the car for years and love it but I am getting a lil worried that it may be time to do the bearings. 95k miles.

@timprice5

Жыл бұрын

The 987 from late 2005 had a larger IMS with a much lower failure rate. The downside is it cannot be replaced without splitting the block.

@johngaither9263

Жыл бұрын

I have a stinking Toyota I drive less than 5,000 miles a year and I change the oil and filter every 6 months. We have radically different ideas about proper maintenance.

I`m glad I own a boxster 986 now. Upgraded from miata, and have nothing unsatisfying about it.

Boxsters have 3 gauges, 911s have 5. The IMS problem occurred in about 11% of 986s and 987s. If you purchase one with higher miles (50,000+) and the IMS hasn't been replaced you probably don't have to worry about it. But for peace of mind you may want to replace it anyway. The best way to avoid the issue all together is to get the next-generation 997 or 987 that eliminated the IMS altogether. If you're purchasing an "S" version of either car, go with a 997.2 or 987.2 because the earlier version might have bore scoring issues. Make sure you check that out.

Would be nice to see how u find your boxster..is road salt a deal breaker?

If the ims bearing has been replaced they normally put a sticker below rear hood where it latches that says the ims bearing was done and there is a qr u can scan to verify it's a real sticker. If not u can ask for a printed bill for the car that says it has been done. If none of these are there than don't buy

"Oh, GOOD, we can get you something else, then, after we get me my boxster!" Nice.

Did the owner glue the filter wrench onto the filter cover? Or does it come from the factory that way? It looks like a great idea and I might do it with my Benz where the filter wrench goes on top of the filter in the engine compartment. If it's not glued in the orientation it has in the Boxster, it would fall off of there.