Thank you to everyone who has commented on this video - this is certainly a hot topic in the industry right now. I have received a lot of comments and a lot of them make the same two points, which I wanted to respond to here:

 1. “Couples don’t want fake photos of themselves” …I agree! At *no point* in the video do I say that they do, in fact I stress at the end of the video that what will always separate us from AI is the ability to capture authentic, real moments of real people. The threat comes from the fact anyone can “create” an incredible looking portfolio now based purely on AI images - not real photographs - and couples may not realise that. Even just a few AI images on a homepage will make a huge difference. 

This will make it a) harder for the genuine photographers to stand out and b) lead to couples booking photographers without realising the photographers may not be capable of taking images similar to what they are showing. This happens now with fake testimonials - it's the same thing but with images. That is the threat as I see it right now. 2. “The AI photographs look fake” …maybe they do - at the moment. But look at the progress and improvement in Midjourney in the past 13 months alone - it’s HUGE. In 6 months you won’t be able to tell the difference. That is how fast AI is improving. Before we know it, they will not look fake.

 Please do not underestimate the speed at which AI is improving. Thank you again for all the feedback but please bear in mind the points above :-)

@haydenroams

Жыл бұрын

Bro you started the video with examples from of AI generated wedding photos. You played into the fear mongering for clicks on and acted like a total Luddite. Don’t profit from scaring the shit out of people then try to act like that’s not exactly what you did. I get it, you make money from KZread but your video was completely unhelpful and totally fear based. No couple is genuinely going to use AI to generate their wedding photos and if they do they weren’t the type of client you wanted in the first place. Quit spreading fear it’s a germ

@NeilRedfern

Жыл бұрын

@@haydenroams I appreciate your feedback but please can you tell me what I said that is “spreading fear like a germ”? Quote me please.

@haydenroams

Жыл бұрын

@@NeilRedfern sure I don’t need to even go into the video to do that your second point in this comment alone where people were trying to quell their fears and said that the ai photos look fake and you decided to double down on your fear mongering by telling them that they shouldn’t underestimate how fast ai is improving

@haydenroams

Жыл бұрын

@@NeilRedfern or how about at 4:30 when you said “in 12 months time you won’t be able to tell the difference between a real photograph and AI, which is scary”

@haydenroams

Жыл бұрын

@@NeilRedfernor how about your clickbait title, the THREAT (all in caps lol) of AI on the wedding photo industry. Want me to cite more?

If you are in the business of making memories, you're safe. If you're in the bisiness of making dreams, you're toast!

@codeXenigma

11 ай бұрын

Or you can use the AI feature in your workflow. It still requires some skills to get the best results. Just as anyone can take a photo, you get better photographs if you understand the craft.

I would love to see how a photographer who used midjourney to make his portfolio give explanations to a client when he cannot take photographs of that quality.😂😂

@Dominik_1978

Жыл бұрын

I think this will happen for sure. Some photographers are stealing images from all over to make their portfolio look better. Now they will use midjourney. 😒

@NeilRedfern

Жыл бұрын

I agree! But what if that photographer just sprinkles a few AI images across their portfolio - they would go under the radar but make their portfolio look way better. This has been happening for years with fake testimonials - now it can be done with fake images

@jbello9398

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@HollywoodweddingfilmsGREECE

Жыл бұрын

It DOESN'T MATTER. That is totally irrelevant. Money will be spent .... because people WANT to believe. Customers will be deceived. Society will put pressure to the wedding photography industry to lower prices even by 50% or more...!!!! Customers never look twice when they find something they like. They just fall for it. They never ask when or why or how was this photo taken ! MAJOR BLOW for the whole industry. Next Summer will be an artistic/photographic massacre.

@fanjan7527

Жыл бұрын

@@NeilRedfern The market speaks I think. There is that business saying: a happy customer can lead to one or two new customers. An unhappy customer can cost you 20 to 30 potential customers. I think even if you sprinkle a few ai images in your portfolio, you still have to be able to deliver the images you promise you are able to deliver. And if you as a photographer then rely on ai to fix your mistakes then good for you if you sell them, not sure about longevity though. Or one big client giving you a big budget and you don't delivery on a happens once ever event and you might be tarnished for many many years. However this speaks to a larger problem that has come into play - the lack of humility and serving your client with integrity.

For stock photographers, it might be a threat, but for weddings... clients want the real thing. You can use it to enhance of course, but clients want to see themselves not a version of them. Also, no matter how realistic, our brain is capable of distinguishing a real face and gaze from a real human being.

@youuuuuuuuuuutube

Жыл бұрын

"No matter how realistic ..." => I beg to differ. It's already reaching that point where it's getting impossible to know what is real and what is fake. And even if some people can tell, give it a few more months for the tech to improve, and they won't be able to anymore.

@AlonzoLombardi

Жыл бұрын

​@@youuuuuuuuuuutube I will pass if you don't analyze. I've seen the most high-end CGI, not only made entirely by AI but also involving hundreds of hours in composing and rendering. Yet, I can still identify a real gaze, and I believe you could do the same. Now, if you don't stop and stare, it might pass, but there's an inherent emptiness in an AI/CGI face and eyes that cannot be perceived as real by our brains, regardless of how realistic they appear in terms of lighting, color, and texture.

@Shels_pwnz

Жыл бұрын

No matter what ppl will always want real. And real doesn’t look “too fake” that’s why vlogging became so popular becaue ppl want to see ppl being “real.” Even then once Vloggers start getting to fake, ppl are turned away. I think human interaction with weddings is important.

@haydenroams

Жыл бұрын

@@youuuuuuuuuuutubeshow me the client that wants this shit

@totochandelier

Жыл бұрын

exactly, it would be like buying plastic wedding rings

Usually, people hired us to take their wedding photo, and not to create it with something look like a fairytale. Second, we usually booked locally so the environment is very well known. It is so easy to spot a real vs ai photographer. And recommend to do bts at wedding

@poti732

Жыл бұрын

These tools can create more realistic non fairy tale like photos too. They can use real people as their face to do that.they can do Bts silly photos and in the future video too. Trust me it the situation is way worse than you could imagine , iv tried these for hours and hours on.

@philipewald9824

Жыл бұрын

@@poti732 in the end you still need to be able to take those images, scammers have been and always will be a thing! +AI is not really a scary thing when it comes to weddings since it's about the experience/the people and all the small details you catch with a photo! I personally mainly would use the benefits and steal some poses/ideas which i can then recreate in real life

With the creation of A.I, behind the scenes videos would be so relevant in any production. Great video!

@thedrunkweddingphotographer

Жыл бұрын

100%

Within five years, probably less, cell phones will have the capability of putting casual selfies into any fantasy arrangement a person desires. A picture of the whole wedding party on a beach at St Tropez? Just take a bunch of casual cell phone pictures of everyone, and the phone will make it "happen." The threat exists in the near future where we have so many people who are perfectly happy with presenting an artificial life to the social media world (including the wedding in St Tropez that never happened). We can hope at some point after that, the current lure of social medial fantasy living becomes _passé_ and _vérité,_ becomes a new selling point. I have for some time used _vérité_ as a selling point of my photographic portraits over painted portraits.

@NeilRedfern

Жыл бұрын

Great comment! Thank you very much for taking the time to post

My problem is all this AI stuff is just making the practice of photography feel boring - boring to shoot because my camera is mostly doing everything for me and boring to edit because AI means fixing it in post is becoming automatic or too easy. AI makes it hard to feel a sense of accomplishment.

@mike309saa

Жыл бұрын

You don't have to use AI though. Even Photoshop without AI is easy compared to editing photos before digital photos existed. Nothing is stopping you from buying a film camera and doing everything manually if you wanted to.

@rickbiessman6084

Жыл бұрын

I understand what you mean. But maybe look at it this way: use whatever tools which you want to use, and leverage their power for creating something that is uniquely your style. When photoshop came on, people had a mental breakdown, thinking that authentic photography is over and done with. They were (thankfully) wrong. You can use it for some really stupid crap, but you can also use it to enhance your work so it "tells a better story" as they say. This does put a fictionalized spin on photography, but that’s ALWAYS the case. Because each time you press the shutter, you include some elements in your frame and you exclude others. Nothing’s ever a complete representation of reality, and it SHOULDN’T be. Instead, it should recount what matters. Replacing a "boring" sky with something outrageous will probably not tell a better story; it’s just silly and some people might think that’s cool for a couple of years, but then it’ll have had its run and people will move past. Same with every other crazy idea you could have. What will most likely stay is people’s desire for beautiful documentation (photo and/or video, at some point probably 3D VR experiences) of meaningful life events.

@DamonBowe

Жыл бұрын

Just shoot film and be a niche market

@deenugent473

Жыл бұрын

Totally agreed!

@derrickrr5516

Жыл бұрын

Considering I’ve spent 100,000 hours on a 30 minute 4K 120 video I took last year, there are some projects which I would love to press the easy button.

Thank you for distinguishing between these things and photographs.

I AM 100% FOR Ai.... and this is coming from a 35mm film wedding photographer who focuses on SEO to book clients.Yes. I still use film to photograph 100% of my weddings. As I read somewhere, Ai is the enemy to a bad writer and an ally to a good writer. The way I see it, Ai is here and it's only going to get better. The best I can do as a fillm wedding photog, is to get ahead of it, learn how to use it and how I can use it to help me get an edge with my competitors. At the moment, Ai is helping me refine and polish my written copy for blog posts (the main way I get clients in the door) and I am beyond grateful at how well it can polish my ideas and make them sound so much better. When I would spend a week on editing the copy for a blog post, I can now do it in a few hours. Unfortunately these days, I'm more of a writer than I am a photographer. Now, when it comes to images, yes, Ai is good. But it's not that good to generate your clients entire wedding.... for now. That said. I'm using Midjourney to generate photos for my blog. Which is NO DIFFERENT than paying for stock images. Remember when photographers would steal images and post them on their page, book clients, then get sued for not delivering matching work? Well, the same can and will be said for an Ai generated wedding portofolio. Yeah, someone can fill their entire portfolio with Ai images, but what are they going to do when when a client asks for their own images in that style? A photog still has to know how to talk to people, how to close a client, how to set up lighting, how to direct models, how to use their gear, etc. etc. My concern is where is Midjourney getting the images from and how much of a particular image, can be brushed off as a stock image. That said, I have often been criticized by my fellow photogs as to why I still bother using film for weddings AND WHY I DO NOT GIVE MY CLIENTS DIGITAL FILES.... well, this is why. Because some clients, specifically clients who seek out photogs who use film, want something real. They want something they can hold in their hands. Since 2003, I have been a STONCH ADVOCATE for printing my client's work and never giving them digital files. AND GUESS WHAT? Ai cannot generate your family photos.... for now.

@creativevisiongaming

Жыл бұрын

Half of my photography is straight out of camera

who would want fake memories? If the world is ok with that, I want to head on over to Mars.

@siddharthd6302

8 ай бұрын

Exactly my point. Wedding is very special day so people will definitely pay to the photographers instead of these free fake images.

First class video as always Neil. The threat to anybody who photographs people for living are minimal at this stage. Yes you can build out a faux portfolio but as you mention, showing a full shoot would be very difficult and time consuming. But you are not going to AI a wedding, portrait session or headshot. Well not the main subject. Unless I’m missing something

I love the idea. As a wedding designer I get to see the ideas in my head come to life without investing a ton in product and photographing the designs. Ai won’t replace weddings or other special events. This is basically art. 😊

mind blowing how quick it is this will definitely do a lot of harm to the landscape and commercial world but for "now "for wedding and portraits/ headshots you still need the people ! Ive no doubt it will get to a stage where you could upload a pic of yourself and create a whole new world around the image ! With photoshop it was a tool to help enhance your skill ! this is down right blowing photographers out of the water as you said if your able to type your able to create any scenario !!

Wife to husband “remember when we took this beautiful picture?” Husband “nope”

@NeilRedfern

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

Neil, im only up to generative fill on the snow bride and F**king hell, im building a fall out shelter in my garden. Scary stuff. 3-5 years time this technology is going to be perfect I would imagine. Absolute madness.

You can't invite AI to capture your wedding. Period. So no worries for us photographers, shooting real-world events, capturing unique moments of fleeting reality. AI is like an artist, whose task is to paint a certain picture, but a painting (no matter how good it is) is not a photograph.

@jayallan-eq4tq

10 ай бұрын

True. But I think iPhones with AI apps could kill a lot of business in the future. Weddings may be safe but everything else could be jeopardy. Why hire someone for a family session or small business event when you can do it yourself?

@siddharthd6302

8 ай бұрын

AI can help us for Editing but it can't take control over capturing precious memories. Yes iPhone with AI can replace few photographers who do event shoots like but for Wedding, Maternity or baby shoots, people will prefer Photographers.

Wow…had to sub. Awesome explanation

@NeilRedfern

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Sebastian

Great discussion points in this. Like you say, the biggest risk is a Wedding photographer with a portfolio sprinkled with AI hero shots, getting booked on that basis then being unable to get anywhere near it in real life. Deposits already paid and unhappy couple. One thinking ahead that must be real concern is marriage fraud. Like you say, midjourney et al are refining exponentially. How far away are we from "Send me five pics of yourselves taken on a phone and you'll get a whole wedding party back trained on your faces" for visa/green card scams. It's obviously doable already, but I'd imagine it will cause a real headache for immigration departments a few years down the line.

I means that it is more important than ever that a good photographer does he's work correctly!

I really LOVE those colors from the picture on 0:16. I'm still struggling find a way how do I add this colors to be my main preset. Any ideea?

spectacular!!!

If you take pictures of the people in the wedding, you can absolutely recreate pictures from the wedding using the people from the wedding without needing an expensive photographer. You can use your cell phone for the pictures. The photos will be better, higher quality, and far more photogenic than your actual friends, wife, or husband. Also, you can have George Carlin as the priest in the photos. Which is awesome and worth it.

...just stumbled upon this interesting scenario about Ai. I agree to a degree, but if you think back to the beginnings of Photoshop, there was the same amount of jaw dropping uproar! I remember the original 'Copy & Paste' from before computers became widespread...and as an office junior, i had to troll through piles of magazines and cut out the images that I thought would be useful in the future to use in advertising! Times are changing, and it is sad that the 'skill' involved of becoming a "Graphic Designer" is dramatically disappearing in place of the easy option.

One of my biggest concerns is how A.I will effect Forensics images from crime scenes.

@tallwolf8581

Жыл бұрын

It surel can't be doing anything new, which wasn't already been done using Photoshop.

@jichaelmorgan3796

Жыл бұрын

Slightly ironic, but digital image forensics will be used, probably also an ai. This type of things will be like the anti-virus industry arms and counter arms race.

Beautiful

This reminds me of those 90's images one saw printed on random posters and neck-ties and weird kitch silverware

I've never been so nervous about where technology is heading.

@mgman6000

Жыл бұрын

Heading to our extinction unless we get a handle on it like we did nukes once AI can replicate what do they need us for

It has been like this every time a technology is improved and I guess it's fear that drives it. But instead of seeing it as a bad thing people should embrace it and use it to your favor. You will never replace portrait, wedding photographers and customers will be aware of this new ai as well and they need to do research about service hired. Some genres within photography might be changed but whenever memories are created, it's done by a photographer.

Generative Fill can be useful actually in wedding and portrait photography. Commercial photography could basically become extinct

I am going to cry 😭

Why would AI pose any threat to wedding photographers?...Well, unless people who don't exist start getting engaged lol... For the record, I incorporate AI into my photography (or rather, incorporate my photography into AI) and love the results. It has opened up an entirely new avenue of creativity.

@michaelbell75

Жыл бұрын

Right, until another year or so when a couple can upload photos of themselves and put them into any type of environment they would like and get stunning engagement or wedding photos for free rather than paying a photographer thousands of dollars. Dream bigger.

@Well3eyond

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelbell75 - No bride in existence is gonna do that INSTEAD of having their actual wedding photographed. They may do it in *addition to* their wedding photos. And good luck getting a usable photo of every single wedding party member and each and every family member to upload into environment templates and fuck around with for hours just to end up with Aunt Myrtle having 3 hands lol... Most people go by the rule of "Do I have more money than time or more time than money?" and let the answer dictate what they do.

@SteveJones-uf9hs

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelbell75 Calm down dear, I think you're getting hysterical 😂

@NeilRedfern

Жыл бұрын

I never said that? Please see my pinned comment :)

@Well3eyond

Жыл бұрын

@@NeilRedfern - I think titling the video "The THREAT of A.I. on the wedding photography industry" implies that you believe there is a legit concern to be had about AI's threat to wedding photographers. "Threat" is even in all-caps lol...

We've seen this in music also. Now thousands of people dance on "music" generated by a person behind a laptop who very often doesn't have a clou about music. In "my days" there was a band on stage or a dj playing the records of those bands. It's all about authenticity.

Just wow.. scary indeed!

I think the next step will be that the AI will scan all the images of the subject via social media to create a more natural representation of expression as they'll use the data to replicate it. I know a lot of wedding photographers who are amazing but also worry about their income as a result. I was a professional hand printer and PS cost me my job as I used traditional techniques to create tones or paint out scratches.

@diggydretv

Жыл бұрын

This is already a thing with Stable Diffusion,/Automatic1111, Kohya_SS GUI, an image set, and a generated LoRA file.

This is exactly why pro photographers should have been spending the past few years learning video as well. I know I have been. Not only has video become increasingly popular, it's going to be quite a few years before there is any realistic looking AI VIDEO.

I wrote this a few weeks ago in another discussion, and it didn't go down well. I wrote " Soon AI will make any camera, and in particular the photographer irrelevant if not totally redundant. Newly formed AI studios, using super powerful computers, and sohpisticated AI enabled software will be able to do a virtual reconstruction of a wedding album, from a drop down list of locations, venues, moods, ligthing, set ups etc. 3D images of the the bride and groom, best man, gowns, etc etc can be used to give the AI generated images a sense of realism, even dead members of the family could be brought back, in a macabre showing of the power of AI. " This didn't go down well, because I also wrote, that we are all guilty in the creation of this menace that is AI, since the day that we all rushed to embrace the convevince of digital photography at the expense of film. What on earth did we think digital photography was? Nothing more than AI in its infancy. The only good thing is that in a few years time, I'd be able to buy a Leica M11, a Hasselblad or Phase one for a song, just to amuse myself. Thank you for listening.

Of course the irony of all this is that when Photography was first invented/used all the physical medium painters and artists had similar sorts of concerns and worries and didnt't like the brash new kid on the block. This is a little something called "progress" ;o)

AI should be put to jail.

crazy how we got here... thanks

The dad at 0:23 is the late John Mahoney from the show Frasier

You certainly got a very interesting viewpoint. AI still needs a lot of work to make it generally available or useful to the potential users, especially hardware compatibility and software interface. The training of the bride and groom image is difficult and extremely cumbersome with mixed results. The image after a while appears AI look with lacking certain emotion. But a threat is a threat. When the threat becomes real and menacing, it will destroy old schools and creates new opportunities. Thanks for your great work.

Embrace the future 🎉🎉🎉

Can you help me to make this type of tool for making marriage. Album using my pics

This technology is amazing but I can see so much photography scams arise from this. creating a website and professional portfolio, using Ai, using bots to increase followers and engagements on social media and create fake testimonies, clients will rush in just to realise a week before the wedding that the entire photography business they booked is a total scam.

AI is awesome! It opens a lot of possibilities to a lot of people. Photographers should adapt to this new technology.

Great video and explanation and these images are impressive but can I produce the same with the actual people I know. Please make a video about that and I will be really impressed! Thanks for this though...like your work!

I doubt this tech will have much impact on photography. Digital artists will suffer the most. Photography is about capturing the moment so how would people benefit from faking photos? If someone hires a photographer for a wedding shoot then they're going to need to produce photos of the actual bride and groom, not some made-up person that some AI came up with. Same with landscape photography really, landscapes are real and while not everyone will realize it's fake some people will know a location doesn't exist especially If the "photographer" is asked where it is.

*Those alien hands though lol* This isn't a threat to news, event, or journalistic photography. We still need photographers to document historical events [accurately] as they happen. A.I. can't do that. Maybe that'll happen in a week, but we're still working on fingers. A talented illustrator can also do this in photoshop... is that a problem as well?

The 8k prompt is redundant and generative fill is also pixel limited. A.I will have its place and needs to be embraced as a tool. Times and technology move on, film to digital, paper to P.C, VHS video to DVD to streaming etc. etc. And if someone decides to fill their portfolio with A.I images to sell their services as a wedding photographer, it’s not going to take long for them to be found out right!?! 😂

@NeilRedfern

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the comment Mark! Yes, I knew that about the prompts but I had read that putting 8k will make the images more photo-realistic - I'm not sure how true that is. And yes I agree completely, we have to embrace AI as it isn't going anywhere - technology will not wait around. But I do worry about what happens if people do start to integrate AI images like this in to their portfolios - I don't mean their whole portfolio, but just a sprinkling of AI images, so they go under the radar but make them look so much better. Sadly I think that will happen and the people who lose out won't just be the legit photographers, but also the couples who book those photographers. If they only use a few it will be hard to detect them. But I hope you are right!

Great video! Show how ai can integrate a real client’s face into the photos

Photography is going the way of fine art. Anyone can own a print of any piece of art they want today but only the extraordinarily rich have the "real thing".

Weddings are safe. People want real memories of the moments they ACTUALLY created. They might tinker with one or two actual photos after the event, but as a whole, they will want the real deal. The story is just as important.

wooooow it îs so amazing

I think an even more dangerous could be a future ability to take your own wedding photos (or any other event for that matter) on your phone and then get AI to modify/enhance them "in the style of Neil Redfern", or "at a specific venue" say. There will always be a market for authentic/real photos though: "Friend: Your wedding photos are gorgeous, are they AI? Bride: No, they're totally real. Friend: Wow, your wedding was actually like that, that's amazing!"

@merlinbernese

Жыл бұрын

I agree thats a major concern, specially if you UP load your photos with realistic expresions and them AI will be able to take them for create AI image.

I think there are greater implications and impact on commercial studios.

Very good video! I think Midjourney will be fined when governments start regulation of AI. They have used copyrighted photos to get where they are.

@CraigTravis

Жыл бұрын

There are already plagiarism lawsuits for copyright theft...

@chadcrypto2675

Жыл бұрын

They wont' be able to regulate anyone except the big companies. It's open source out there for Stable Diffusion. Pandora has been let out of her box. Millions of people now have these tools and some of the smart ones are making them even more insanely good. Even if all those people that are suing for so called copyright will fail. Since the training only looks at images, it doesn't store them inside the models. Only what it has learned from text to image! Most people do not know the tech behind what these models do and how they learn.

@bass4512

Жыл бұрын

It's going to go in the same direction of music and downloading. There was no "real" solution. A few slaps on the wrist to make a point, then some sort of pivot into something that makes more sense than just painting everyone as a criminal. How they got there is less important than the amount of exposure they're getting and how quickly it is being inserted into our lives.

All we can do is embrace the new tech and use it to our advantage. However, until we have ai robots taking pictures of events I dont see any big threats to event and wedding photography. You have to be there to catch the story of the day.

@thomasstewart6970

Жыл бұрын

I 100% agree, and I made this point last week in a debate. The reply was actually quite a good one and made me think a little (although I still don't see much of a problem). This person explained that Ai will make other photography sectors (like commercial) redundant, pushing lots of togs over into the wedding market, and flooding the market even more. Thereby potentially making it harder for current wedding togs. So the idea is any issues we may face are in the booking phase (hugely oversaturated market) rather than having an AI robot that is able to shoot better than us

@SEPK09

Жыл бұрын

welcome to the dumbing down of society. great help.

Neil, point for point, in your comments & in your video, you make valid assertions. Most importantly, in time (in short time), AI WILL improve. Couples, people in general, though--for now--will still want authenticity. But one thing to consider: the lust for perfection. Weight-loss shots, plastic surgergies & implants, moose lips, Auto Tune, ad nauseum. Scary Times, & I feel the worst is yet to come.

To be a great creative photographer requires capturing an Expression, while Feeling the moment and Seeing the light. Never use lights or reflectors or a flash. Look at the colors of the sunset, there is a formula there: warm and cool colors with contrast, pretty simple: when you learn to see these colors and compose them and feel the moment, just point and shoot. Master these techniques to be the best... very few photographers get it. Paint with light, not equipment. I just shared my technique that the best photographers in the world use. It's not the film or AI , it's the Artist, the person. If you dare to be the best, be real, that is the path.

Can you share the prompts you used?

@NeilRedfern

Жыл бұрын

They were really simple, an example would be: hyper realistic 8k photograph of a bride laughing with bridesmaids --ar 3:2 --v 5 or hyper realistic 8k photograph of a bride and groom running along the beach --ar 3:2 --v 5

I only see this as a threat to photographers who rely on passive income from stock photos. Not photographers who are getting hired to capture events, products, and people.

Hi Neil any chance you can share these fakes, would like to share with my potential clients to educate them?

@NeilRedfern

Жыл бұрын

Hi Jacques - yes, if you search for me on Facebook you will see that I posted them on my public timeline so you can find them there

Nice

Hi to the group, Read all the comments below. Also what happens if in the near future (sooner than we can imagine) when this will become a generalize trend. Wedding clients will eventually want fake image of themselves (if they absolutely don't care without remorse or morals, just for the sake of "likes", popularity and or for money gains down the road, like the social media evolution after this past decade) in an imaginary or wished locations. Just a thought or another scare for real humans artists.

In theory, could the real face of a bride be placed in an environment created by AI?

@NeilRedfern

Жыл бұрын

If that isn’t possible now then it will definitely be possible very very soon

@shannonpalmer

Жыл бұрын

you can do that with generative fill in photoshop beta.

@michaelbell75

Жыл бұрын

It has absolutely existed for years. Just watch any "deep fake" videos. A person with the right skills can take photos of anyone and put them in any environment and make it look realistic.

We can also do that for free, with a good enough GPU. Same thing for ChatGPT, there's an nVidia library for free that we can use, again it requires a lot of resources but it works.

Lets get one thing on the table they are NOT actual brides and grooms who want their special day recorded. We live in highly dangerous times and legislation should put guard rails around AI.

@climber950

Жыл бұрын

Elon has been warning us quite loudly.

Hands are improving 😢

The clients are going to be really disappointed when they receive their photos back 😅

Plot Twist - This isn't Neil. It's an AI version of him and all he did was type in his script.

Stock photographers will be in trouble for sure 😢

@NeilRedfern

Жыл бұрын

Sadly, I agree

I use midjourney to make backdrops

lol, my mans is scared and worried. Got it.

This is really easily explained...If I wanted to use AI as a potfolio, it would end with the first couple I photographed...UNLESS i place those couples into an AI pic..and then I would have to duplicate the background and venue..its not a real barn burner here...I use AI software to enhance the photos we take..but nothing like what your video shows and that would be the end of our business...

Artists hated photography, film users hated digital, architects hated computer aided drafting (ie:cad), artists hate ai. Nothing new under the sun... It amused me to hear Midjourney talked about like it was a "new" thing that nobody had ever heard about... (Or generative fill) Being able to take a run of the mill photo of a bride and put her standing on a Venice or Paris street or on a deserted beach...etc.. there will be interest for that type of editing. Granted if you can't take a good photo....that creates other issues but ai can fix that too...

It is only a matter of time before someone does something with legal or political implications with this. The big question then is will the law makers ban it? You would hope yes, but when have you ever seen them do something sensible?

@mshea5906

Жыл бұрын

It's already happened. Ron Desantis used AI to portray Trump hugging Fauci.

AI will replace a lot of professional photography, no doubt about it. But seriously: the impact on wedding photography should be minimal. - Frauds who advertise themselves with fake portfolios will be caught very quickly and ruin their reputation immediately and permanently. So: not an issue. - Not only can AI not produce genuine emotion; it literally cannot capture a wedding day, which is the POINT of wedding photography. So: not an issue. - Some people may come to have unrealistic expectations of what their wedding photos end up looking like, but all it takes is for them to look at some authentic portfolios. Problem solved. So: not an issue. I don’t see how AI will have significant influence on the wedding photography industry as long as - there are no cameras that feed information to an AI which then creates fake photos and - people care to have genuine photos of something that happened, which I assume will be always.

@thedrunkweddingphotographer

Жыл бұрын

100%

@jamesbruce

Жыл бұрын

I would like to agree with you but I don't think I can. Soon, as in probably now, a photog with some skill, make that a bridesmaid with a phone will capture some images...upload to an AI service, choose a style, one that a wedding photographer worked her whole life to create, and boom, all the expressions are corrected, the lighting is perfect in a way that could never really happen, flaws are fixed, and the viewers of the photograph will remember that as real life. In the past those kinds of images were limited because retouching and ultimate creativity took time and money. In the future, also known as now... The second problem for photographers, no matter what they shoot is that their clients will have seen work from other photographers who are using all the AI tools to finish images in unreal ways and wonder why the real photos don't measure up. I think a lot of people, probably even most, will come to expect that the unreal is the desired result

@rickbiessman6084

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesbruce I guess that is actually a possibility... 😟

@michaelbell75

Жыл бұрын

AI is already very capable of taking photos of real people and creating an entire wedding from it. The fashion industry has been using AI like this for years and commercials do it all the time using green screens. An example recently being those Corona commercials with Snoop Dogg. Not only are they not on a real beach, they arent even in the same studio together. Thats all done with AI. However, that tech is limited to a few companies who will charge you big money to do it....for now. It will eventually trickle down to consumer level programs as everything else has.

Hey Neil i do not think we have to worry aby this AI😉, this program wont do the job for us, durring the wedding day. I Hope to use Ai for speed up retaching

I think the only give away of AI is all the pictures are perfectly retouched. No moles, wrinkles, or any face imperfections.

I dont know. With how overboard most photographers go these days with post processing, these dont look anymore fake than what I see most the time...

@NeilRedfern

Жыл бұрын

I agree!

My guess is that the old LF Photo Studio photographers weren't too fond of the 135/MF technology. As well, some of today's old timers probably felt digital technology had already gone too far. But if we look at the other side of the coin, million of photographers had enjoyed and rewarded during that film era and a new group of digital photographers is now riding the wave as pros, enthusiasts and amateurs. I bet the majority of them shed crocodile tears over those whom they had displaced, but now they are facing a similar dilemma with AI or whatever new technology is coming up. Nevertheless, the budget-conscious clients may be able to get today's boutique photographer's results from their affordable pros, and the well off ones may be getting 3D holograms directed by experienced photographers and a team of technicians & specialists. Thus, photographers will have a different concern depending on where their photographic journeys are now and comfort zones, in respect to the new AI wave. No doubt the kids will have more fun and soon be telling stories about how they got started where old timers were shooting with MILC. 🙂

Totally agree it is the dumbing down of society and skills and learned talent. There should be some kind of certification or licensing for professional photographers that have put so much time in to the profession, esp: when these types of ai is CHARGING a subscription.!!!!

@bass4512

Жыл бұрын

This is a neverending cycle since the beginning of time, though. It's just life. How many things can you name that took FOREVER to do 100 years ago or even just being able to do. Tech moves way too fast compared to human lives. There will just be another time for adapting and moving on to the next technological advancement.

v5.1 or v5.1 RAW is the latest version as of now, not v5

Nice being here. Can MID JOURNEY AI edit pics from other sources say camera and give u may be a color look that u want. Am Eddy Tumwine from Kampala Uganda Africa

"I need to loose 30 more pounds before the wedding!" -- Give me 3 minutes!

@NeilRedfern

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

This is just the beginning. AI will get better and better. People will expect the quality more, and more in photographs. Remember we are at a point now that we use some type of program e.g. Photoshop to retouch skin, etc. and our customers/clients expect that. We see it in magazines, and other publications. Now AI cant produce details, such as fingers/hands. In the example of the bride, look at the eyes, the white is too perfect and you cant see any blood vessels. AI will get better at the details over time. Next major step is AI video.

These AI generated people (like the snow bride) always look extremely over edited. It seems that midjourney takes 10 year old images as a reference, when the skin was edited to make people look like puppets 😂

@thedrunkweddingphotographer

Жыл бұрын

yes. i suspect it's working from old ass stock images as well.

Yep! Who wouldn't want to spend thousands of dollars for images of their wedding populated by people that look nothing like the bride and groom. What a scare tactic video!! AI would be a great tool to give the bride and groom a preview of what different poses might look like at their venue when the ACTUAL pictures are taken.

@NeilRedfern

Жыл бұрын

What specifically did I say in the video that was a scare tactic? I didn’t say what you’re suggesting 😂

...it may seem a little obvious, but how can you use Ai for wedding photos without seeing the dress, grooms outfit, surroundings...etc. Perhaps even more obvious is that as a photographer, you will need to be at the venue anyway! Also, i doubt that a 'Bride to be' would agree to having rendered images in her Wedding Album! PS: I was asked to 'enhance' iphone images that had been taken at a wedding for the Wedding Album...and the bride asked me to make her taller, slimmer, and have a smaller bust!!!! I finished the album as she requested enhancing & editing for a whole week in Photoshop. The results looked great, but three years later they got divorced!!!!

What client would want something that was never really captured on their special day?

@NeilRedfern

Жыл бұрын

I never said they would - please see my pinned comment :)

This is just the beginning. Wait until someone figures out how to create hyper realistic videos.

What will be the final kicker I think will be when you can have these image generation tools, either with some manual prompt, or via a passive setting, build in minor facial flaws. The closer the images appear, the more they look too perfect and too polished. Like the fake lady in this video. Looks a but like a still from a AAA video game cutscene.

This tech in 10yrs (likely possible now), will be so realistic no one will know what's real, and what's not. Very scary

@chadcrypto2675

Жыл бұрын

To the normies out there. It can fool them easy. Us in the know, we might be able to spot it. though it's getting much harder since hands are getting better, especially in Stable Diffusion with controlnet and open pose.

We already have photomanipulation, and how some people I see retouching their photos is awful, makes them look like this A.I. All this is going to do is open up new opportunities for creatives. Want to specialize in making wedding shoots look like something from Star Wars? Why not, lets add 10,000 stormtroopers firing at the couple and missing. Someone out there would pay for that. You'll be able to add in REAL people,. For people who want the real emotions captured, but not necessarily spend tens or hundreds of thousands on rare flowers and luxury venues. easy. Some people will want an elopement somewhere that doesn't exist with extinct animals why not... All memories are faded and a photographer no matter how much we say we capture memories. It's all 3rd person memories. What they're actually seeing is MY memory from looking through the camera. Honestly think this will create so many jobs. And the people who are scared. don't worry, people will still want traditional photos, or "modern" style photos. But this is your chance to adapt if you want to.

@rickbiessman6084

Жыл бұрын

While I don’t think a lot of people will ever be interested in completely fake images of a wedding that never happened in that way... if someone wants stormtroopers, why the heck not? Could be something really fun to toy around with and put in there. Honestly tho if they didn’t experience stormtroopers at their wedding (which I suppose will become possible from a technological standpoint), they would probably still want genuine wedding photos. What’s the value in a "memory" that you know never happened? It’s good as a joke in between genuine photos, but there’s no reason why the fake memory would take the real one’s place.

@tuanminh3720

Жыл бұрын

Think is ppl hate so much fake details on thier picture

@DynastyUK

Жыл бұрын

@@tuanminh3720 People make a living doing it already. I'm friends with a photog who made $400,000 on fantasy/boudoir/wedding images alone. That's just photo manipulation, this A.i makes the process much faster for her.

@tuanminh3720

Жыл бұрын

@@DynastyUK for real? maybe i need to learn about photo manip tho

@DynastyUK

Жыл бұрын

@@tuanminh3720 Yeah, just gotta niche down. Her main thing is fantasy, but recently it's been about powerful women, making them look like queens or goddess etc. All this does it make it easier for others to do. It might not become as popular as regular photography just yet, but it's time will come. Just good to have options and plus it's fun to learn, even if it's just for hobby purposes. :)

Surely it means nothing, unless you want photos of someone else's wedding.

This takes away the fun shooting weddings almost . Now som shady wedding photographers will use these on their ads

@NeilRedfern

Жыл бұрын

Sadly, I agree

@Herkulez1981

Жыл бұрын

@@NeilRedfern worst part nothin you can do about it .

crazy

Never say never

Great

@NeilRedfern

10 ай бұрын

Thank you